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Tekk_stupid question which came up before, how do I select all emails in email?05:37
Tekk_thought it was just Ctrl+a but that's no longer working05:37
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DocScrutinizer05ouch for regression07:14
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freemangordonTekk_: for sure it works08:51
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freemangordonbut first you need to choose what you want to do08:52
freemangordon(move, delete, etc)08:52
Tekk_I was just getting the order wrong08:52
Tekk_thanks freemangordon08:52
freemangordonTekk_: also, you can search after you select all, that way the selection will be reduced to the search results only08:53
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Ras_OlderAny tips for where to begin searching for cause since my N900 cannot get a GPS lock? AGPS gets a rough location which I think is the nearby cell tower. I've tested with Ovi Maps, Columbus, CloudGPS and latest with modRana. I'm not that familiar with debugging GPS problems so any protips? :D09:49
Ras_OlderColumbus shows me the signal strength of the satellites and those seem to never peak from the poor level. Faulty hardware perhaps or does someone have ideas?09:50
keriohow much did you wait?09:53
keriois your SUPL server
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Ras_OlderWell I have been trying for three weeks now and usually I keep it waiting for a hour. I have tried with and
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keriodon't try with, it's useless09:55
kerioit should work with
infobotrumour has it, pkg is
DocScrutinizer05location test10:00
DocScrutinizer05location-test-gui actually10:04
sixwheeledbeast1kerio: stopped working only worked with the certman fix10:05
sixwheeledbeast1yep. I have now also started having trouble with "My Location" not displaying location this month. I have a A-GPS fix though.10:07
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Ras_OlderDocScrutinizer05: ah thank you! I was looking for that with apt-cache search but I might not had the correct repos active. Downloading and installing now.10:09
DocScrutinizer05you might be better off with AGPS disabled (plain GPS only) than with a borked supl10:10
DocScrutinizer05also make sure you system date and time is somewhat correct-ish10:10
DocScrutinizer05it may sound silly but GPS needs an idea of current time to work10:11
DocScrutinizer05particularly with AGPS10:11
DocScrutinizer05( yeah, now they got enough data from volunteers to make their supl work, now they restrict the service to their crappy android phones. I wouldn't feel surprised10:13
sixwheeledbeastRas_Older: do you have the certman fix? dpkg-query -W maemosec* (should be version 0.2.3 not 0.2.1)10:15
DocScrutinizer05umm, 0.2.2 here :-P10:17
Ras_Oldersixwheeledbeast: Just checked and I have 0.2.3 installed.10:17
Ras_OlderRunning the Location Test now10:18
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sixwheeledbeastRas_Older: ok, I guess you are on CSSU-T too then. I would make sure the system date and time is correct. WFM, it should work unless you have a local issue10:20
DocScrutinizer05and not using google supl10:21
DocScrutinizer05or simply disable AGPS10:21
DocScrutinizer05or enable 3G which often does an incredible job for TTFF10:22
kerioso we have to disable agps? :(10:22
keriono wait10:22
keriowhat was the problem with again?10:22
DocScrutinizer05see what sixwheeledbeast wrote10:22
keriooh so now it works again? sweet10:23
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DocScrutinizer05it used to, nfc how long this will last10:24
Ras_OlderLocation test is now running and it got me a rough location. Satellites in view 8 - in use 0. I disabled A-GPS now and remains the same for now. Maybe I should have my coffee break now and head outside briefly for checking those signal levels.10:24
DocScrutinizer05iirc FMG found the problem and fixed it10:24
DocScrutinizer05in view means nothing10:24
kerioRas_Older: wait, you're testing this indoors?10:24
Ras_OlderYeah atm since I am working *cough*10:25
DocScrutinizer05in view means: according the the almanac (whatever data it contains) and the system clock, the calculations say that those sats should be visible for you10:25
Ras_OlderBut yes I have been running all around my town before this and so far no cigar with the locations.10:25
DocScrutinizer05GPS indoors is nuts10:26
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DocScrutinizer05GPS while moving too, basically10:26
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DocScrutinizer05the almanac algo can't know you're indoors so it says "8 in view"10:27
DocScrutinizer05if it knew, it would say "0 in view"10:27
Ras_OlderWasn't expecting this fast response so yeah I am indoors still :D10:28
DocScrutinizer05I suspect "in view: 8" however means you got *some* almanac data, so your supl might actually work10:30
DocScrutinizer05make sure your date and time is correct10:30
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DocScrutinizer05otherwise you pull bogus almanac data and then AGPS will search for those sats forever since they never are where the algo expects them10:31
DocScrutinizer05AGPS needs a semi-correct time and a coarse idea of where you are, to work10:32
Ras_OlderTime & date are correct but I sync'd time just in case.10:32
keriosync your time through GPS!10:32
DocScrutinizer05time needs to be exact to the minute maybe10:32
DocScrutinizer05kerio: hahaha10:33
DocScrutinizer05location needs to be exact to a maybe 500km10:33
DocScrutinizer05ballpark estimations right from my rear10:34
kerioDocScrutinizer05: neo900 feature request: manual input of ballpark estimations10:34
keriowhen everything else fails!10:35
DocScrutinizer05how,s that related to hw?10:35
kerioi dunno10:35
DocScrutinizer05me neither10:35
keriofeature request: a special chip that keeps track of where you are10:35
DocScrutinizer05oooh, you mean... wait... GeePeeEss?10:35
kerioperhaps a chip with biological elements10:36
keriotaken from your rear10:36
keriodoc's bum location estimator10:36
kerio(pat. pending)10:36
DocScrutinizer05I can do that "chip" for your device X-P10:36
DocScrutinizer05don't complain about the smell!10:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: feature request: argentinian world cup win locator10:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: as i can see there, there's no way to provide the agps data manually10:39
DocScrutinizer05again, not my problem10:40
DocScrutinizer05btw, in N810 resp diablo, there *been* such method10:40
DocScrutinizer05>>If no network connection or SIM card is available, this equals to GNSS.<< I doubt that10:43
kerioanyway, with i got a fix really quickly10:47
DocScrutinizer05to whom it may concern: liblocation (closed blob) seems to be rextremely well documented regarding what and how it does, and API. RE should be a snap, except for the AGPS/supl data provision to GPS engine in BB5 modem via ISI. Luckily there's an alternative to that soon10:50
DocScrutinizer05the Gemalto/Cinterion modem with its GPS has a well documented method to provide the "Assistance" data10:51
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DocScrutinizer05what's a tiny bit nasty: it's not supl data but gemalto's own format, and it doesn't support any location hint, rather you uploade the *complete* almanac and ephemeral, thus the modem's GPS can do true AGPS only when you have a SIM so it got an idea where you currently are10:53
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DocScrutinizer05at least that's my uneducated interim estimation on the situation with P*S8 modems10:55
DocScrutinizer05in RL however this isn't as bad as it sounds, since the only thing it really rules out is AGPS via WLAN (or USB)10:56
DocScrutinizer05s/via/with internet via/10:56
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: in RL however this isn't as bad as it sounds, since the only thing it really rules out is AGPS with internet via WLAN (or USB)10:56
DocScrutinizer05non-A GPS is still possible10:57
* DocScrutinizer05 just comes to think that GPS correlators are basically exactly same as a string compare command of a "normal CPU"11:06
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DocScrutinizer05and the more correlations per time unit you can do, the less any AGPS will help for TTFF11:09
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DocScrutinizer05since aiui the whole point of Assistance for TTFF is to rule out 99% of correlation patterns that don't apply to your location*time anyway, so the engine doesn't need to bother about those moot patterns and can search the likely patterns with all its compuational power11:11
DocScrutinizer05once your correlators locked, you got tuned in to your sats and then Assistance only helps with emphemerals which offer increased accuracy since they tell about stuff like ionopheric delay etc11:13
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DocScrutinizer05but iirc that data gets sent by sats at a much faster cycle time than the almanac which needs some 12 minutes to download it completely11:13
DocScrutinizer05ask SpeedEvil11:14
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ult1Hi guys, i need an advise. After recent installation of custom ruby package (which turned out to be non-optified) got myself a situation: no error msg in dpkg and following gem install <somegems>, but rootfs space exhausted and after moving several big files to /opt, df / still displys 0 bytes free.18:13
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ult1After reboot ubifs fixed itself, but something got broken in hildon-desktop launch process - as before two instances of it launched from dsme-server and maemo-launcher, but booting just stalls there - got infinite animation. I was able to troubleshoot it to this point: 2 initscripts waiting for file to be created in /tmp. this file is created by hildon-desktop, but strace shows that in case it doesn't exist already, it's presence is never even c18:22
ult1i've checked all of /event.d/* /Xsession.[d|post]/* and even diff'ed 'em with backup which is pretty old though. nothing. Also, accidently found out that ubifs overflow has blanked dhclient config script blank, so i've reinstalled with deconfig and conf removal everything *hildon* -related and every package owning /etc/event.d and Xsession, but to no avail. I've come up with sort of workaround, which requires manual /tmp/flagfile creation just b18:30
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ult1forgot to add, reflash isn't an option, and current booting process requires some initscripts modification (what's worse is that it's unknown to what packages in future it has to be applied, and no way to find out, other than catch error in syslog ) - some of them have  to respawn until hildon is really ready, and don't be killed beacuse of too frequent respawn.18:45
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dos1latest cssu should have proper certificates for, right?19:41
dos1this wasn't the case on my device19:42
keriono clue on how to properly test this19:43
keriobeyond checking that the fix takes little time19:43
dos1when it fails, it's in syslog19:43
keriothat's cheating19:43
dos1and you can check if cert is accepted with openssl utility :P19:45
dos1openssl s_client -connect -CApath /19:45
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dos1(capath seems bogus, but due to a funny bug in this tool it works :P)19:46
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keriowhich bug?19:47
kerioalso, nokia sucks at ssl19:48
kerioyou're not supposed to send the CA certificate in the certificate chain19:48
* kerio knows ssl19:49
kerioas in, my website has an A+ from the ssllabs validator19:50
dos1yes, location-proxy fails to connect with with verify_res=19 (self signed certificate in certificate chain)19:51
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keriothat's not a real error, tbh19:53
kerioit's just... useless19:53
kerioyou won't trust the root CA certificate just because it's there19:53
kerioso it doesn't really matter if it's sent or not19:53
dos1anyway, location-proxy rejects ssl connection to on my device, and this results seems to be consistent with what s_client told me19:54
dos1so it definitely doesn't work on my device :P19:54
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dos1and that's only due to SSL issues, with proxy it works fine19:59
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kerioi reckon the new certman just adds the actual certificate to ca-certificates?20:04
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sixwheeledbeastdos1: which CSSU version?20:07
sixwheeledbeastah, so you should have the fixed certman then20:08
sixwheeledbeast0.2.3, maybe more certificate issues again?20:09
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dos10.2.3, right20:11
kerio look at how much green there is20:11
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infobotsee boot-process20:29
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keriolike, compared to
keriowhere there's lots of red and some yellow20:42
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DocScrutinizer05fix it!20:54
keriodo you seriously want ME to hold a private key for a tls cert?20:55
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Snafu777Is there a way to install cssu without being online?22:55
Snafu777Could I possibly download whatever packages to make this happen offline?22:55
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