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| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody tested http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-MicroSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B00IIJ6W4S in N900 ? | 00:28 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | no | 00:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | not that I know of. I have 64GB Sandisk UHS. I don't see why >3TB will not work as long as it's reformatted from exFAT | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >3TB? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you tested speed of your SanDisk 64GB? | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly for random writes? | 00:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nope. | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be *very* interested in how it performs, e.g for cache etc | 00:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I needed space over speed. Also it was the only one available and a very good price at the time. | 00:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It has all my music and documents on there plus two swap spaces for flopswap. | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I can come up with a random write testsuite based on standard unix toolbox bits and allowing to test for different write chunk sizes | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | flashbench | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: :-D | 00:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Sound like an idea. | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: you got a binary? :-) | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | https://github.com/bradfa/flashbench | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, sounds like source | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no SB here | 00:47 |
| ShadowJK | https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/KernelArchived/Projects/FlashCardSurvey | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I've not run it on N900 itself | 00:48 |
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| kerio | i just want a ram-based microsd :( | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want a uSD with a huuuuge RAM buffer | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I want an alternative for a cheesy slow 32GB eMMC | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I wonder if a UHS interface is compatible to the eMMC 8bit interface, i.e. if the OMAP could handle SDXC/UHS on its MMC1 interface that currently hosts the eMMC | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if such 128 (or 64) GB uSD would be faster than the N900 eMMC then | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since *if* all that pans out, you prolly would wnat a uSd tray rather than a soldered eMMC chip in your phone, eh? | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, why does N900 have one uSD tray only? A: because eMMC is faster, thanks to 8bit databus | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if a uSD was as fast (or even faster) than a soldered chip, wouldn't you prefer two uSD trays? | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even if one of both is inconvenient to reach | 01:07 |
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| bencoh | definitely :) | 01:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nod: Having multiple replaceable uSD would be better IMO | 01:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sorry it's 2TB not 3. This is the maximum that SDXC can go. | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmph, uptime 47days and my IroN900 actually starts cocking up. Huge delays in almost everything and audio gets hiccup | 02:17 |
| bencoh | killall most-of-ui-stuff ? :) | 02:17 |
| bencoh | lots of them leak | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sudo reboot | 02:17 |
| bencoh | that's mean | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mem:239M used:181M buffers:9M cache:44M | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 02:18 |
| bencoh | hmm | 02:18 |
| bencoh | (and swap ?) | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swap 199/767M | 02:18 |
| bencoh | usually I kill systemui and things are back to "normal" | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe actually fragmented | 02:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 does a manual reswap | 02:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mean? that's mean: | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /proc/swaps | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Filename Type Size Used Priority | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition 786424 204676 -1 | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk1p3 partition 136184 0 -2 | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see how long that takes | 02:23 |
| ecc3g | that...will take a while... | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed ;-) | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hildon will need to end and kick a lot of preloaded stuff | 02:24 |
| ecc3g | it's kind of counterintuitive indeed, it only has 204MB to copy... | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, already done | 02:24 |
| ecc3g | what speed microsd? | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mem:239M used:210M buffers:3M cache:22M | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swap: 86/132MB | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Tasks: 189; been 201 | 02:26 |
| ecc3g | whenever I swapoff my internal swap, it takes forever on my "class 10" (which I think is a lie) microsd... | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>One study found that, in this random-access use, some Class 2 cards achieved a write speed of 1.38 MB/s, while all cards tested of Class 6 or greater (and some of lower Classes; lower Class does not necessarily mean better small-file performance), including those from major manufacturers, were over 100 times slower.<< | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HUNDRED times! | 02:27 |
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| ecc3g | wow...very possible | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | over 900 | 02:27 |
| ecc3g | i dont have any more class 2 cards | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | class 4 might work too | 02:28 |
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| ecc3g | I had a 8GB class 2 microsd card on my 5230 that I was using as backing store | 02:28 |
| ecc3g | putting it in my n900, the n900 fried it (or at least it seems like it, only used it a few hours and it died) | 02:28 |
| ecc3g | I didn't use it as swap, might just be electrical incompatibility, or the card was on its last legs | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# swapoff /dev/mmcblk1p3 | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also takes a while | 02:29 |
| ecc3g | wonder what's the block size of the emmc vs the microsd cards | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wonder why this feels like taking even longer | 02:31 |
| ecc3g | have a feeling that in order to increase the "MB/sec" class, they probably have huge block sizes, sacrificing small block read/modify/write | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, reswap finished. At least it's still alive. When it doesn't behave, it's reboot time | 02:33 |
| ecc3g | I really also wonder about how they do wear levelling on these SD cards, it must not be as good as on full sized ssds | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a boot is good | 02:33 |
| ecc3g | I just swapon with a higher priority to entice the n900 to swap on microsd, alas, the emmc swapping is clearly faster... | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course, it has 8bit data | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while uSD has only 4 | 02:35 |
| ecc3g | now that you mentioned that there was a study on "class 6"+ being so slow, I figure the RMW routines suck on these cards, and it probably will swap itself to death earlier than on emmc. | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it oughta be faster | 02:35 |
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| ecc3g | (meaning, wearout will occur faster than expected) | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/pjd/papers/fast10-flash.pdf | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/KernelArchived/Projects/FlashCardSurvey | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sandisk Ultra Class 4 'SD16G' sounds good | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohnoes, now even ssh has lags of 0.5..2s | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reboot time | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird, no idea what's causing this | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top 2 of htop CPU usage: htop:6%, /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu:0..2% | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CPU total: 8..10% | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/650fa0455d :-P | 02:50 |
| ecc3g | mine just did that too... | 02:51 |
| ecc3g | i hate it when all the widgets disappear | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, i love it when they re-appear ;-) | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without me typing in the SIM PIN | 02:52 |
| ecc3g | yeah true, at least they seem to retain their position when you re-add them... | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now if it also would restart all the tasks that been running... | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I had no such problems | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I simply typed "reboot<ENTER>" | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is really convenient, compared to the alternatives | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mem:239M used:131M buffers:22M cache:83M | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course damn tracker-indexer hogging CPU | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 37 CPU seconds already | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's snappy again | 02:56 |
| ecc3g | "Micro Center 16GB Class 10" | 02:57 |
| * dos1 wonders how long will it take for maemo to fill all of neo900's 1gb ram | 02:58 | |
| bencoh | 2weeks at most ? :° | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2min? | 02:58 |
| ecc3g | 2 sec? | 02:58 |
| dos1 | 2 sec seems kinda pessimistic :P | 02:59 |
| ecc3g | should be fast enough to run a program that malloc() everything? :D | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "fill" is relative | 02:59 |
| dos1 | we're not counting caches and take normal, n900-like usage into account :P | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mem:239M used:129M buffers:4M cache:102M | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Uptime: 00:10:57 | 03:01 |
| dos1 | and swap? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tracker CPU time 1:22.18 | 03:01 |
| ecc3g | do peoples' n900 software leak memory | 03:02 |
| ecc3g | ? | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 59/767MB | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some does | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lockscreen known to do | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never use lockscreen, particularly not to unlock | 03:02 |
| ecc3g | the default lockscreen or one from repo? | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | default | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon fixed that | 03:03 |
| ecc3g | interesting... oh okay | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 03:04 |
| ecc3g | cssu has the fix? how fast did it leak? | 03:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels like killing trackerd with cat /dev/urandom >`which trackerd` | 03:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon | 03:05 |
| ecc3g | I guess i've seen worse... | 03:05 |
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| ecc3g | the Linux ACPI and virt-manager leaks were noticeable ... | 03:06 |
| ecc3g | both have been fixed though... | 03:07 |
| bencoh | hm, so lockscreen is responsible for systemui leak ? | 03:07 |
| ecc3g | (not for n900 of course) | 03:07 |
| ecc3g | dunno anything about the lockscreen leak unfortunately | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: mainly, but iirc among others | 03:07 |
| bencoh | :] | 03:08 |
| bencoh | I suspect everything leaks on this thing | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, actually not | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of stuff is empirically proven to not leak | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/d695c34a17 the top 4 suuuuuck | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top 5 actually | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | modest all but modest | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6.8 MEM% WTF? | 03:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 finally feels fed up with modest and patches the .desktop | 03:15 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/ae857f2b97 | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, time for a walk | 03:30 |
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| Snafu777 | DocScrutinizer05: So I finally understand what the image file means =). I'm limited to the free space on the image file itself. Once I purge stuff, space on the chroot / increases. Thanks for the patience yesterday | 15:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~keymap | 23:08 |
| infobot | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (or in potato, /usr/sbin/kbdconfig from the console-tools package). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps | 23:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys *keymap* | 23:09 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '*keymap*' by key (4): keymap for intimate ;; keymap ;; keymap-elive ;; #maemo awesome-keymap. | 23:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | awesome-keymap | 23:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~awesome-keymap | 23:09 |
| infobot | [awesome-keymap] http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 23:09 |
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