IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-06-20

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DocScrutinizer05I think they _can_ do exchange. But who got an exchange server at home on his laptop? ;-P01:39
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bencohI guess you could still inject a rootCA and fake an exchange server in place of M$ ... but meh :)01:46
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snare2Hi all! Where I can download maemo SDK inside VirtualBox VM?\03:53
snare2now it is cleaning in Nokia site :(03:53
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Maxdamantus~sb04:12
infobotscratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB04:12
Maxdamantus^ snare204:12
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zGrrmoin :)15:02
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wizbittime to research GPS apps21:31
snare2wizbit, why_21:35
snare2?21:35
wizbitwell i need some kind of GPS app on my phone21:38
wizbitincase i get lost21:38
* wizbit reads http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools21:38
wizbitthis looks the best http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana21:39
wizbitideally i need GPS for walkers21:41
snare2wizbit, i too21:43
wizbiti will test out ovi maps first21:43
snare2not for car21:43
wizbitovi maps doesnt show a map at all21:45
HumpelstilzchenSomeone said that Nokia killed the Mapserver21:47
sixwheeledbeastwizbit, did you say mainly walking21:47
sixwheeledbeastdo you have data?21:48
wizbityes i walk21:49
wizbitso need some kind of GPS for walking21:49
wizbitthe map server doesnt work on ovi maps21:49
sixwheeledbeastwizbit: modRana should work for you, works best with a data connection21:53
wizbitace will use that21:53
sixwheeledbeastdownload tiles as you go, or alternately I have had varying success with downloading tiles.21:54
sixwheeledbeastI still think map packs would be best for modRana but that is not available.21:55
wizbitmodrana is in active development?21:56
* sixwheeledbeast remembers he was looking to download the tiles and get offline monav working in modRana21:56
sixwheeledbeast:nod: I was hoping MartinK would be about I have a few things I was going to ask him21:57
sixwheeledbeastah http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide22:00
DocScrutinizer05wizbit: m4rtink is modrana maintainer / developer, and yes he's very active22:01
DocScrutinizer05~seen m4rtink22:02
sixwheeledbeastHe seems to hide when I want him :)22:02
infobotm4rtink <~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 48d 6h 47m 26s ago, saying: 'the ultimate IDLE RPG channel'.22:02
RiDwise man22:02
sixwheeledbeast:D22:02
sixwheeledbeastOnly because I give him more work to do22:03
DocScrutinizer05~+status22:03
infobotSince Fri Jun 20 03:29:34 2014, there have been 0 modifications, 17 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 21 commands.  I have been awake for 15h 33m 46s this session, and currently reference 119280 factoids.  I'm using about 24256 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 75.8/1.93 child 0/022:03
wizbitwhat is the difference between ModRana and Modrana QML22:03
DocScrutinizer05I'd guess modrana QML is using QML toolkit for GUI22:04
sixwheeledbeastThey are installed together at the moment, there are some differences minus the obvious code22:04
DocScrutinizer05so most likely meant for HARM platforms22:04
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wizbitshould i be using QML on N900?22:06
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DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/modrana/22:06
DocScrutinizer05I think QML is an error of evolution ;-)22:06
sixwheeledbeastGTK22:07
DocScrutinizer05like e.g. silverlight22:07
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wizbitmodrama works straight away :D22:09
wizbitthank you :D22:09
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sixwheeledbeastwizbit: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-06-08.log.html#t2014-06-08T23:47:3422:09
sixwheeledbeastGTK vs QML22:09
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sixwheeledbeastmore like nodrama :D22:11
dos1QML is really nice, but I hate that paradigm Nokia promoted: "everything should be in QML, augmented by C++ logic in case it couldn't be in QML"22:12
dos1I used it few times to just augment QWidget-based UI with nicely animated QML controls and IMO that's where it trully rocks22:13
dos1reminds me of edje from enlightenment22:15
DocScrutinizer05I, as a matter of principle, don't like the approach to design GUIs with toolkits that pretend that the GUI was a webpage of sorts22:16
dos1hmm, QML is hardly "webpage of sorts"22:16
DocScrutinizer05if you wanna go this way, then do it completely and write your app as local html server22:16
dos1it's rather a canvas, where you place elements and declaratively describe their interaction22:17
dos1completely unrelated to html (maybe except using javascript syntax for scripting)22:17
DocScrutinizer05exactly22:17
DocScrutinizer05a webpage with web scripting22:17
dos1but javascript is hardly only-html thing nowadays22:18
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dos1QML is almost exactly what edje is - just with edje using embryo/lua instead of js22:19
DocScrutinizer05I generally headdesk when I read (maybe not exactly QML or JS related) advice like "make an invisible object consisting of one transparent pixel, where you then store your local variables"22:19
dos1yeah, that may happen when you use things like QML or edje to implement logic22:20
dos1I hate it and headdesk as well :P22:20
dos1when you use QML/edje properly - to describe UI and *UI* interactions, then it's nice and clean22:21
DocScrutinizer05my dbase and SEVAG mask generator hacks were not as braindamaged as *this*22:21
snare2is evernote client work now?22:21
snare2I can't auth :(22:22
dos1and it provides nice means to separate UI from logic - which is funny, cause QML feels like it was built for exactly this purpose22:22
snare2And, can anybody help me: I want VirtualBox image with SDK. Nokia delete it :(22:22
DocScrutinizer05~sb22:22
dos1but then you see Nokia/Digia/whatever advicing to implement both UI and logic in QML22:22
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB22:22
dos1and you die a little inside22:23
snare2infobot, it is not fast start :)22:23
infobotSo we want to be stupid, right, is not fast start :) ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop!22:23
snare2is any more simple way to get SDK?22:23
DocScrutinizer05snare2: download the VM image22:23
snare2DocScrutinizer05, is worked links to VM images anywhere?22:24
Snafu777Good, infobot wants to be in the army.  A nasty stinking soldier.22:24
Snafu777Infobot, I will crush you with my Marine Corps awesomeness22:24
infobotYou will crush you with my Marine Corps awesomeness?22:24
Snafu777Infobot, test22:24
infoboti guess test is not funny22:24
Snafu777Infobot, you suck22:25
infobotand very well I might add22:25
* Snafu777 laughs22:25
Snafu777infobot, rm -rf /22:25
infobot-rf / is an unperson22:25
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DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: see last URL in link the bit gave22:25
DocScrutinizer05err22:26
DocScrutinizer05snare2: ^^^22:26
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Snafu777Whats up spoofy22:30
DocScrutinizer05hm?22:31
Snafu777infobot, what is the meaning of life?22:31
infobotSnafu777: I think you lost me on that one22:31
Snafu777infobot, what color of underwear am i wearing22:31
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DocScrutinizer05she's not Eliza22:31
Snafu777Heh22:31
DocScrutinizer05~attack Snafu77722:32
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing Snafu77722:32
Snafu777Whoa22:32
Snafu777Thats just mean22:32
Snafu777infobot is a girl22:32
Snafu777hmm22:32
Snafu777~undress22:32
infobotundress is probably take me: _/\*/\_22:32
DocScrutinizer05~gender22:32
infobotI'm not sure22:32
Snafu777~hug Snafu77722:33
* infobot gets a running start and tackle-hugs Snafu777 22:33
Snafu777hah22:33
Snafu777ok im done22:33
DocScrutinizer05~coffee Snafu77722:35
* infobot steals some of eMHa's special coffee and gives it to Snafu777 on a silver platter.22:35
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DocScrutinizer05dos1: well, when people would use QML correctly then it might be a semi-OKish approach22:39
DocScrutinizer05though I still fail to see why not using proper HTML then, right away22:39
eMHainfobot: give my coffee back!22:40
* infobot gives coffee back! to my22:40
dos1html is rather poor way to describe ui22:40
eMHa:-)22:40
dos1even on web - when you want your page to feel like an application, you often abstract html away as much as you can22:43
DocScrutinizer05like, using JS, ajax? ;-)22:43
dos1like using two-way binding, via some JS framework22:44
dos1I'd rather connect QML to CSS than HTML, but way more powerful22:45
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DocScrutinizer05snare2: you found the ~1GB VM image?22:46
snare2DocScrutinizer05, yes, thank you22:49
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snare2DocScrutinizer05, yes, thank you23:16
DocScrutinizer05yw23:17
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sixwheeledbeast1GB? I thought it was more like 5GB.23:25
sixwheeledbeastoh it's compressed, nevermind23:25
sixwheeledbeastyou wouldn't think I installed it ~18 hours ago :rolleyes:23:31
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