IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2014-06-11

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Tekk_does the n900 silently drop mms?00:43
Tekk_There are certain things (mainly two factor auth stuff or email->sms bridges) where I never actually get the text00:43
Tekk_but normal messaging is fine00:43
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ecc3gI think you need to download fmms to receive SMS, but not sure what it does without it00:49
ecc3gerr... s/SMS/MMS/00:49
Tekk_worth a shot, thanks00:49
nox-yeah you need fmms00:50
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sixwheeledbeastthere is no native mms, use fmms00:59
Tekk_if it actually wants to work...01:12
Tekk_I can get it to connect to the MMS "network", but as soon as I try to find something it shuts that connection down01:15
Tekk_then it fails before it actually connects if I tell it to connect again while sending :01:15
Tekk_anyone know if fmms actually requires that you have 3g or something?01:16
Tekk_rather than 2g01:17
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AggeTekk_: I think I got it to work on 2g but I realy recomend sending picturs with email or somthing bether then bothering with fmms it was a lot of problem to get it to work01:26
DocScrutinizer05wizbit: ((will it cause a big repro mess though if i do that)) enable extras-devel, install one package you found out _before_ that you want it, then instantly disable extras-devel again01:32
DocScrutinizer05about fmms ask frals01:34
DocScrutinizer05frals: right? :-)01:34
Tekk_Agge: it's not that I was sending a pic, it was just text01:35
Tekk_the issue is that things like at&t's "email to sms" service appear to actually use mms, not sms01:35
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Aggeaha iritating01:35
Tekk_it has the same behavior with wifi too01:35
Tekk_it drops the net connection at several points when it tries to send01:36
Tekk_so even if you reconnect in time it fails01:36
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AggeDoc have you had problem with any N900 that dident want to start after the 30min solid orange charghing?01:36
nox-doesnt mms need a special "apn" config or what its called?01:36
DocScrutinizer05at&t, isn't that this rogue US borne telecom company that *always* manages to mess stuff up at both a technical and a customer-service level?01:36
DocScrutinizer05I could be wrong ;-P01:37
DocScrutinizer05Agge: nope, never had such problem01:37
DocScrutinizer05Agge: it could suggest that either your battery cell, your NOLO firmware, or your hardware are completely broken01:38
DocScrutinizer05nox-: exactly01:38
Tekk_that would be the one :)01:38
Aggethe batery works in an other phone and it at least to somthing with the led. any idee what it could be?01:39
DocScrutinizer05Agge: you got linux on PC?01:39
DocScrutinizer05watch syslog, plug in a powered down N90001:40
Tekk_yeah. hit send -> disconnect any internet connection -> try to send over internet -> offer connection dialog -> connect -> disconnect again and fail01:41
DocScrutinizer05there are three USB ENUM events getting logged to PC syslog: ROMBOOT, NOLO, linux01:41
DocScrutinizer05Tekk_: fmms switches APN.01:41
DocScrutinizer05for details ask frals01:42
Tekk_ okay01:42
DocScrutinizer05frals == developer of fmms01:43
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DocScrutinizer05nobody except him *really* understood how this fancy lil piece of magic works, really01:43
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AggeDocScrutinizer05: how is the neo900 coming along?01:44
DocScrutinizer05wizbit: might help you handling the switching back and forth of extras-devel01:45
DocScrutinizer05Agge: much work and a lot of headache, restructuring whole internal organization01:45
ecc3ganyone use syncevolution with Evolution3 ?01:46
Tekk_nox-: yeah, trying to go and start the config from scratch01:46
DocScrutinizer05but we're still on a path into right direction01:46
Aggesounds iritating. hope that the new organization works better and you have had more luck with hardware/software part of it01:46
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DocScrutinizer05Agge: the new organization *has* to work better since we changed from old to new for this sole purpose ;-)01:54
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DocScrutinizer05I just hope for next to 100% of donors will forward their donation from GDC to Neo900 UG, so we have a basis to continue our work01:55
DocScrutinizer05Agge: however I don't get the part about hw/sw-luck02:00
Aggemostly just hope that you havent had any problem with the hw/sw part of the project02:01
DocScrutinizer05nah, we're not in software basically, though recently I intensified my fostering for a few sw-related bits02:02
DocScrutinizer05for the hw we been quite lucky so far, we even found components we honestly had our concerns if we could source them anywhere at all02:03
AggeI noticed the updated future list :)02:04
Aggeno luck finding a wifi card with nfc/rfid?02:06
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Aggethe specs sounds realy good02:11
Aggeand now did I see that rfid part :)02:12
AggeAnd now did I notice the RFID part :)02:12
AggeDocScrutinizer05: Got thes form the syslog from the problematic N900
DocScrutinizer05Agge: this looks like your system is semi-working02:16
DocScrutinizer05you should reflash02:17
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DocScrutinizer05actually it even exports phonet USB device, which is meant to allow 2G/3G data connection from PC by using the phone as USB 3G dongle02:18
AggeI wounder if you actualy can inititsiate that from an phone that is off?02:18
DocScrutinizer05no, I told you it looks like your system semi-working02:19
Aggeok. do you think it would be posible to get data from it?02:20
DocScrutinizer05CPU starts up and ROMBOOT dies USB ENUM, so you already left the emergency phase that usually is indicated by steady amber02:20
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: CPU starts up and ROMBOOT does USB ENUM, so you already left the emergency phase that usually is indicated by steady amber02:20
DocScrutinizer05I don't see NOLO but that might have different reasins, starting with me being mistaken, to your PC not logging it02:21
Aggerunning xubunto on that pc02:21
DocScrutinizer05anyway phonet is a connection that's forwarded by CPU to the modem02:22
DocScrutinizer05what data are you interested in?02:22
Aggepictures and contacts mostly02:22
DocScrutinizer05try :02:22
Aggethanks I will try that02:26
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DocScrutinizer05Agge: RFID is still not decided upon yet. Lots of difficulties with that, starting at antenna for RFID02:30
Aggeif you are casitn new battery covers it would probibly be posibly to cast the antenna in it? othervice it might be nice to have the chip even if the user need to have an external antenna02:32
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DocScrutinizer05yes, we consider that external antenna idea02:39
DocScrutinizer05the problem is not to find place for the antenna but to find a place where no nearby other antenna or huge metal object ruins the RF properties02:40
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DocScrutinizer05Agge: would you mind telling me about the usecases you want RFID for?02:41
Aggemsotly random stuff but. ultimatly to be able to decode encrypted milfare clasic card and store them on the phone insted of having alot of acces card with me all the time02:43
Aggeultimatly also the ability to read and store 125khz tags. aside from regular 13.56mhz cards02:45
Aggedid you look at the project?02:46
hurrianyou probably don't need new battery covers, just RF coil stickers and pogo pins on the mobo.02:47
hurrianIIRC that's how most Android devices do NFC02:47
AggeI also somthimes ahve to reconfigure access cards on the fly and it would be helpfull to be able to do it witout pulling out a laptop and varius card reader/writer.02:51
DocScrutinizer05hurrian: yes, we planned for exactly that, but we have lots of antennas and huge massive metal areas exactly there02:51
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't be fun to have that antenna coil glued in there and find that it ceases to work as soon as you place the cover on a phone with inserted battery?02:52
DocScrutinizer05125kHz we for sure can't support02:53
DocScrutinizer05decode and store Mifare is something that for sure needs special chip properties when feasible at all02:54
Aggenot realy just a chip that you can controll the timing on02:54
DocScrutinizer05I'm not fluent with that RFID stuff, but I seen about hifare specs02:55
Aggethe clasic and simular cards a realy not safe. you can usaly get the same key just by luck in about 5 of 30 cases02:55
Aggeiirc mifare don't even consider them to be an "encrypted" card internaly02:56
hurrianaw man, i'd be happy just to clone UID, that's authentication for the majority of the 13.56 MHz devices02:56
Aggehurrian: the funny thing is that you can whrite data to the card so that it behave as it had a different UID then it have :)02:57
hurrianAgge: those cards arent RO?02:57
hurrianoh boy, I think I can repurpose quite a few cards then02:58
Aggehurrian: depends most mifare clasic are not. they are encrypted with a A and a B key and you need both to realy change stuff with them02:58
DocScrutinizer05I only used *one* RFID card in my life. Ooops nope, two. Both been my key to the office of the companies I worked for02:59
Aggeiirc it combine the UID with the B key to get the data string that it sends. so if you change certen data in the B key you can get it to emulate a different UID03:00
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Aggeand you can extract the A and B key by manupulating the seed. it is seeded 16bit time from startup to first contact with reader so it is realy weak03:03
Aggehurrian: abut the random generater and good info about manupulating the data on rfid
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hurrianAgge: nice, I should've read up on it before I headed out on vacation :p03:10
Aggemifare specifaly is good lesion in how to not do security03:10
hurrianin the backwater I come from, all the auth is just UID based, waving a NFC phone in front of them usually causes them to crash lol.03:11
Aggenice one :)03:14
Aggehurrian: about manupilating the UID of cards
Aggelooks like I remembered some ditales wrong but the general idea was correct :)03:22
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* DocScrutinizer05 looks at "freebsd/developer/nox" and idly wonders what bsd developers think about dudes like Poettering and friends farting at *nix compatibility of linux at large04:20
hurrianDocScrutinizer05: wasn't a *BSD developing a compatibility layer for Poetteringware?04:21
DocScrutinizer05OMG! :-o04:22
hurriansomething to do with the linux compat layer and the fact that newer linux programs will eventually depend on poetteringware if they didn't already04:22
DocScrutinizer05~Poetteringware is broken by design software that is broken by design because of dependencies to also totally broken by design and fubar system components introduced and forcefed down the throat of all linux distros by Mr Poettering and friends, like systemd, kdbus, avahi, and last not least PolypAudio04:25
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0504:25
hurrianlooks like De Raadt is kicking OBSD into high gear.04:27
DocScrutinizer05I can't find enough to eat, so I could puke like I feel I want to04:27
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DocScrutinizer05how about a compatibility layer to make fubar poetteringware work on proper clean sysV-init systems? Pretty please with a convenient function to remotely electrocute the developer of that ware which needs the compatibility layer04:31
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DocScrutinizer05user land software with dependencies (SIC!) to systemd, WTF?!04:32
DocScrutinizer05when will kernel get integrated into systemd?04:33
hurrianlinux kernel? kdbus on the way.04:33
DocScrutinizer05but Linus gave the only possible and correct answer to this04:34
DocScrutinizer05and I hope he will need years err decades to feel convinced that this other guy and poettering changed their arrogant habit to mess up stuff and then declare all *other* apps as broken and leave it up to them to fix their API so they work with new "leete shite" of poettering's wet dreams04:36
infobothmm... freee is
DocScrutinizer05  honestly made my day. Thank you Mr Torvalds! Thanks you a truckload of times!04:40
DocScrutinizer05ooh, "Kay Sievers" been the name of the other guy04:41
DocScrutinizer05Sievers, like the unit for hard deadly radiation, should be possuble to remember, but noooo... My brain refuses, wonder why04:42
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DocScrutinizer05honestly kudos to wicket for his signature!  e.g. here:
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DocScrutinizer05~literal poettering04:52
infobot"poettering" is "<reply>'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''"04:52
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DocScrutinizer05~poettering is also you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering:
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0505:06
DocScrutinizer05~literal poettering05:06
infobot"poettering" is "<reply>'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering:"05:06
infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering:
DocScrutinizer05~poettering is also
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay05:14
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fralsTekk_: what connection mode did you set in fmms? some of them tries to set up the connection manually, which will disconnect the active connection, which is what you might be seeing08:04
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Tekk_frals: I actually got it to work with reconfiguration08:11
Tekk_sorry for not mentioning08:11
Tekk_seems that my issues weren't mms related though :/08:11
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fralskerio: icd did the heavy lifting for me iirc09:51
fralsi just asked for another context and it set it up if it was possible09:51
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