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| mtnman | can anyone tell me why gst-launch has disappeared from my system? | 03:05 |
| mtnman | has it been upgraded or has the named otherwise changed? | 03:05 |
| mtnman | help | 03:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | 2300 will be pointless, 2038 is the maximum POSIX time | 10:18 |
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| Tekk_ | sixwheeledbeast: is that actually still the case? | 10:35 |
| Tekk_ | I figured that people would actually be switching the typedef over to 64 bit by now | 10:35 |
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| kerio | it's been 64bit for most systems for a while now | 11:28 |
| Humpelstilzchen | not on maemo.. | 11:30 |
| kerio | eeeh | 11:31 |
| kerio | just recompile shit | 11:31 |
| silviof | is this enough only to recompile? You need a update of glibc and (maybe) kernel etc | 11:37 |
| kerio | recompile everything | 11:37 |
| kerio | except the closed bits | 11:37 |
| kerio | fuck the closed bits | 11:37 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | It's the closed bits that are the issue. | 17:43 |
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| Tekk_ | maemo doesn't matter with this | 17:48 |
| Tekk_ | strictly speaking of course :P | 17:48 |
| Tekk_ | unless people are going to still be using their n900s in 2038 | 17:48 |
| Tekk_ | even neo900 should be 64 bit time friendly shouldn't it? | 17:48 |
| Humpelstilzchen | neo900 gehts a 64 bit cpu now? | 17:49 |
| Tekk_ | (I assume that we won't *happen* to have prebuilt binaries for the new cpu) | 17:49 |
| Tekk_ | Humpelstilzchen: try "long long" on your 32 bit cpu | 17:49 |
| Tekk_ | it gets you a 64 bit number | 17:49 |
| Humpelstilzchen | which needs more then one register.. | 17:49 |
| Tekk_ | which you can do | 17:50 |
| Tekk_ | you just do the equivalent of e_x on i386 | 17:50 |
| Tekk_ | one register is the low portion, one register is the high portion | 17:50 |
| Humpelstilzchen | and guess how much software is parsing time_t to int | 17:51 |
| Humpelstilzchen | time_t in a struct will also fail | 17:51 |
| Humpelstilzchen | 64bit will break alignment | 17:52 |
| Tekk_ | Humpelstilzchen: which is why things need to be recompiled | 17:52 |
| Tekk_ | you don't think that this stuff is handled upstream by now? | 17:52 |
| Humpelstilzchen | no, not enough 64 bit ARMs | 17:53 |
| Tekk_ | but that's the magical thing | 17:53 |
| Tekk_ | pretty much everything that runs on maemo prefers running on x86 | 17:53 |
| Tekk_ | which has been 64 bit friendly for over a decade | 17:53 |
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| meik | hmm DocScrutinizer05, actually my problem with my screen blinking (yesterday) isn't really fixed by disassembling the device. I don't have any syslog file in /var/log, only dmesg filled with "kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open" (and closed) | 18:25 |
| meik | slide events (GPIO 71) are normal, when I open/close the lid | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your lockswitch is broken | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and dimming the screen is one natural thing tk_lock does | 18:28 |
| meik | hmm the lockswitch okay | 18:28 |
| meik | is there a way to tell maemo to ignore events sent by this switch ? | 18:29 |
| Tekk_ | maybe it has its own driver which can be added to modules.blacklist? | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please check channel backscroll and log, I answered this question some week(?) ago, the guy was able to work around broken lockswitch iirc | 18:29 |
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| meik | I wasn't on this chan before yesterday, but if there is a log somewhere, I will be very glad to read it | 18:30 |
| meik | found | 18:31 |
| meik | my irssi title bar wasn't long enough | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there seems to be a pretty simple /sys/bla/foo/bar/gpio113/enable node (or similar name), which takes 0 as an argument | 18:31 |
| meik | okay thx | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-05-04 Sun 15:26:18] <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, where should i put "echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/kb_lock/disable" now? not in rcS, right? ) | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all hail to 9999 lines of backscroll | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meik: ^^^ | 18:35 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~phonecontrol | 18:36 |
| infobot | somebody said phonecontrol was http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 18:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | hmm it's not on there... | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ?? | 18:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_start_manual_vibration int32:250 int32:3000 | 18:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anybody know what each int does? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amplitude, duration ? | 18:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | guessing m/s of something | 18:38 |
| javispedro | speed -255,255 | 18:39 |
| javispedro | duration in milliseconds | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spee -255, awesome ;-P | 18:39 |
| javispedro | [-255..255] I mean | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi javispedro!!!!! | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, long time no see | 18:39 |
| javispedro | hi | 18:39 |
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| meik | thx DocScrutinizer05 :) | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meik: you don't by any chance own vdv's device now? | 18:41 |
| meik | haha nope | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then it seems we have another systematic weak spot / point of failure in N900 | 18:42 |
| meik | it started behaving that way a few weeks ago, but since it's not my main phone, I didn't bother | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is good to know about, in case somebody plans to build a device with a similar switch | 18:43 |
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| meik | yep, I've seen that there is a "neo900" which is planned | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I guess holding device face/screen down should "fix" the broken switch | 18:44 |
| bencoh | ? | 18:45 |
| bencoh | the hallswitch ? | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm prolly not, the switch already *is* "upside down" when screen facing up | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: this is about lockswitch | 18:47 |
| bencoh | oh | 18:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yep, thanks, speed maximum 255 and duration in m/s | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: sure thing | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: interested in Neo900? | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we could use a gifted hacker like you | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "we" probably is "fptf" here | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf | 18:49 |
| infobot | i guess fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but also relevant is dos1's work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1IM9Vd2_2s | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1426013#post1426013 ff | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Hopefully I'll soon be able to record similar video, but with Fremantle instead of Replicant/SHR. That would be a great milestone for "NeoFremantle" project << | 18:58 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: sadly no commitments from me these days | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a pity | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too much RL? | 19:09 |
| javispedro | not this week I hope, but it'll get worse again soon. | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: anyway please share your thoughts about Neo900 any time you feel there's enough free time for you to do | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HMMM! http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM seems missing a "diagram" that never been there. Daniel Wilms forgot to add it? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>The diagram below shows the entities of the RTCOM subsystem,...<< already in initial page, also no such diagram in initial page. http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM&oldid=21136 | 20:30 |
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| wizbit | is it possible to create a wireless hotspot with a N900 so i can connect to the internet using a laptop whats close by? | 21:30 |
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| Tekk_ | wizbit: I don't think there's anything about that on the wiki page for tethering | 21:35 |
| wizbit | Mobile HotSpot is in the applications | 21:35 |
| Tekk_ | oh | 21:35 |
| Tekk_ | then presumably you can :P | 21:35 |
| wizbit | and Qt Mobile Hotspot | 21:35 |
| wizbit | have to find out whats the best | 21:35 |
| Tekk_ | Qt Mobile Hotspot | 21:36 |
| Tekk_ | generally if you see an x and Qt x, Qt x is the newer one | 21:36 |
| wizbit | ace | 21:36 |
| Tekk_ | wizbit: the wiki seems to say that you basically use bluetooth to set up ppp it seems? | 21:41 |
| Tekk_ | but maybe mobile hotspot will actually do wifi | 21:41 |
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| Tekk_ | since I'm a poor american on at&t I only get edge, so tethering isn't really worth it. I have no experience | 21:41 |
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| hxka | wizbit: Note that those don't actually use wi-fi module as hotspot, instead they create an ad-hoc connection | 21:59 |
| hxka | There is also some proprietary software, forgot how it's called | 22:00 |
| hxka | Qt Mobile Hotspot also allows you to share the connection via USB, not only Wi-Fi | 22:02 |
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| * Tekk_ recommends sharing via usb | 22:11 | |
| Tekk_ | I always find it more reliable than wifi when tethering on any phone | 22:11 |
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| mtnman | hello, i had an error on apt-get remove. where can i find the log file for apt/dpkg? | 22:31 |
| kerio | there isn't one | 22:31 |
| Tekk_ | mtnman: also you probably shouldn't use apt-get | 22:31 |
| Tekk_ | it makes DocScrutinizer05 angry :D | 22:31 |
| Tekk_ | it can also mess up your system | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 22:32 |
| Tekk_ | (which is why it makes him angry :P) | 22:32 |
| Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: isn't it your constant advice to never use apt-get? | 22:32 |
| mtnman | why should i worry about that? | 22:32 |
| * mtnman likes apt-get | 22:32 | |
| Tekk_ | least that's what I recall last time I used it | 22:32 |
| kerio | Tekk_: nope | 22:32 |
| kerio | it's not an advice to not use apt | 22:32 |
| mtnman | Tekk i need a better reason | 22:32 |
| kerio | it's a mandate of not asking for support after using apt | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't use apt-get unless you exactly know what you're doing | 22:33 |
| Tekk_ | mtnman: I may be misremembering this, but basically there's a very tiny OS partition | 22:33 |
| Tekk_ | and bad things happen when you fill it | 22:33 |
| Tekk_ | when you use ham it puts it in an application partition and symlinks it in | 22:33 |
| Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: about right? | 22:33 |
| kerio | nope | 22:33 |
| Tekk_ | oh | 22:33 |
| kerio | ham doesn't do any special thing with packages | 22:33 |
| Tekk_ | so what's the ham magic then? | 22:33 |
| kerio | there isn't one | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't listen to kerio | 22:34 |
| mtnman | Tekk_ i know that apt and ham dont sync | 22:34 |
| mtnman | i'm trying to clean out cruft identified by deborphan | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course HAM does things that apt-get doesn't, and sometimes those are vital | 22:34 |
| mtnman | can''t do that with ham | 22:34 |
| kerio | mtnman: don't trust the dependencies | 22:34 |
| mtnman | kerio explain | 22:34 |
| kerio | dependencies for at least some packages are fucked | 22:35 |
| kerio | system packages, that si | 22:35 |
| kerio | is | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo dependencies are fucked for almost everything | 22:35 |
| kerio | especially stuff that comes from nokia | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:35 |
| * mtnman has used apt for years and LIKES it | 22:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, everybody does | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 22:36 |
| infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 22:36 |
| mtnman | i don't like getting ppl telling me to be scared of something without explaining the danger | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me neither, but then I didn't tell you anything like that | 22:37 |
| kerio | mtnman: HAM doesn't let you do anything to packages that aren't marked as "user" | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 22:37 |
| Tekk_ | ah | 22:37 |
| mtnman | kerio fine. | 22:37 |
| mtnman | but how can i find out what apt (dpkg) did? is there really no log file? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install procps will yield surprising unpleasant results | 22:38 |
| mtnman | Doc i'm just trying to uninstall cruft identified by deborphan | 22:39 |
| kerio | that "cruft" might be needed | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get upgrade also will, particularly when you enabled extras-devel (the latter is identical to HAM though) | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get autoremove is a terrible idea | 22:39 |
| mtnman | kerio how so? deborphan only flags pkgs that have no dependencies | 22:40 |
| kerio | ... | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as is apt-get dist-upgrade | 22:40 |
| kerio | <kerio> dependencies for at least some packages are fucked | 22:40 |
| Tekk_ | mtnman: because as it was noticed before, deps are fucked | 22:40 |
| mtnman | quit tellng me what doesn't work and please answer my questions | 22:40 |
| Tekk_ | as it was mentioned* | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman | 22:40 |
| infobot | from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, let's see | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mp | 22:41 |
| infobot | from memory, mp is Northern Mariana Islands | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 22:42 |
| mtnman | the questions is: is there a log file or other way to find out more info about error msgs reported by apt-get? | 22:42 |
| kerio | paste it here, we'll try to take a look at it | 22:42 |
| kerio | there's no logfile | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "paste it here" ??? really now? | 22:42 |
| mtnman | Errors were encountered while processing: | 22:42 |
| mtnman | libcityinfo-settings-002 | 22:42 |
| mtnman | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 22:42 |
| Tekk_ | mtnman: DocScrutinizer05 linked to a page which gave you logs | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did I? | 22:43 |
| mtnman | i did not see anything like that | 22:43 |
| Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 22:43 |
| Tekk_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 22:43 |
| Tekk_ | that seems to have an apt wrapper for logs | 22:44 |
| kerio | mtnman: there should be something before that | 22:44 |
| Tekk_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#Miniwrapper_for_apt-get_logs. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't know there's sth about apt logs there | 22:44 |
| mtnman | Tekk but that won't help after the fact. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's logging user actions, not apt's diagnostic output | 22:45 |
| Tekk_ | ah | 22:45 |
| mtnman | so how can i find out what went wrong with libcityinfo-settings during apt-get remove? | 22:46 |
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| mtnman | anyone? bueller? | 22:47 |
| kerio | apt-get install -f | 22:47 |
| kerio | for "fix" | 22:47 |
| kerio | and pay attention to what's going on | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also, wasn't there a --simulate aka dryrun? | 22:48 |
| kerio | the problem was with the config part of the installation | 22:48 |
| kerio | you can't dryrun that, it's arbitrary shell scripts | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the postrm script gets stored somewhere and you can inspect and rerun it, though | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | var/lib/apt/*/*/... ? | 22:50 |
| kerio | /var/lib/dpkg/something | 22:52 |
| mtnman | well thanks for tryingbut my question problem remains unsolved. | 22:53 |
| Tekk_ | hm.. | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your last question been >>so how can i find out what went wrong with libcityinfo-settings during apt-get remove?<<, the answer to that been <DocScrutinizer05> I think the postrm script gets stored somewhere and you can inspect and rerun it, though <kerio> /var/lib/dpkg/something | 22:55 |
| Tekk_ | wasn't there some way to install meego on the microsd card? I thought I saw something about it on the wiki but I can't seem to find it now | 22:56 |
| * Tekk_ is sufficiently bored that it seems like an okay idea, if he can find a mirror with the image | 22:56 | |
| mtnman | doc i did not find the postrm scripst, but dpkg -s says the config files are still there | 22:56 |
| mtnman | they don't seem to be in /etc so i'm perplexed | 22:57 |
| mtnman | ls | 22:58 |
| mtnman | oops | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AFAIK apt-get remove is supposed to keep the config files, that's a feature. To remove config files use apt-ger purge | 22:58 |
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| mtnman | actually i did apt-get --purge remove foopkg | 22:58 |
| Tekk_ | nitdroid would be interesting too I guess, but I'm afraid of how android will "run" on 256 MB of ram | 22:59 |
| kerio | use dpkg -P | 23:00 |
| mtnman | for what? | 23:00 |
| kerio | to purge again | 23:00 |
| kerio | even if it's not installed | 23:00 |
| mtnman | afaik -P == --purge | 23:00 |
| kerio | eyup | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 23:01 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 23:01 |
| kerio | but apt-get will just give up if the package isn't installed | 23:01 |
| mtnman | kerio what do you mean? that is not clear to me | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt!=dpkg | 23:02 |
| mtnman | oh... ok... sorry i parsed it incorrectly | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get --purge != dpkg -P | 23:02 |
| mtnman | similar result from dpkg | 23:03 |
| kerio | well, just restore your backup | 23:04 |
| mtnman | we are all aware that apt is a front-end for dpkg, aren't we? | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't like the tone in here, cya l8r | 23:05 |
| mtnman | kerio if you are talking to me about backup then i'm not sure you understand what i'm trying to accomplish. | 23:05 |
| * mtnman did the dpkg -P and got a similar result | 23:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure you didn't mention it | 23:06 |
| kerio | mtnman: you're clearly better than us, why are you asking us for advice? | 23:06 |
| kerio | i'm out | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | deborphan, ohmy | 23:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 sets up an autoresponder "quit tellng me what doesn't work and please answer my questions" --> "*PLONK*" | 23:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything after that been wasted time anyway | 23:16 |
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| mtnman | ok i'm pretty sure i figured out my problem with apt-get --purge and failure of the post-rm script... seems there is an error in the script!! | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY? | 23:34 |
| mtnman | guess i should submit a bug report. | 23:35 |
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