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mtnmancan anyone tell me why gst-launch has disappeared from my system?03:05
mtnmanhas it been upgraded or has the named otherwise changed?03:05
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sixwheeledbeast2300 will be pointless, 2038 is the maximum POSIX time10:18
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Tekk_sixwheeledbeast: is that actually still the case?10:35
Tekk_I figured that people would actually be switching the typedef over to 64 bit by now10:35
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kerioit's been 64bit for most systems for a while now11:28
Humpelstilzchennot on maemo..11:30
keriojust recompile shit11:31
silviofis this enough only to recompile? You need a update of glibc and (maybe) kernel etc11:37
keriorecompile everything11:37
kerioexcept the closed bits11:37
keriofuck the closed bits11:37
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zGrrmoin :)12:05
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sixwheeledbeastIt's the closed bits that are the issue.17:43
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Tekk_maemo doesn't matter with this17:48
Tekk_strictly speaking of course :P17:48
Tekk_unless people are going to still be using their n900s in 203817:48
Tekk_even neo900 should be 64 bit time friendly shouldn't it?17:48
Humpelstilzchenneo900 gehts a 64 bit cpu now?17:49
Tekk_(I assume that we won't *happen* to have prebuilt binaries for the new cpu)17:49
Tekk_Humpelstilzchen: try "long long" on your 32 bit cpu17:49
Tekk_it gets you a 64 bit number17:49
Humpelstilzchenwhich needs more then one register..17:49
Tekk_which you can do17:50
Tekk_you just do the equivalent of e_x on i38617:50
Tekk_one register is the low portion, one register is the high portion17:50
Humpelstilzchenand guess how much software is parsing time_t to int17:51
Humpelstilzchentime_t in a struct will also fail17:51
Humpelstilzchen64bit will break alignment17:52
Tekk_Humpelstilzchen: which is why things need to be recompiled17:52
Tekk_you don't think that this stuff is handled upstream by now?17:52
Humpelstilzchenno, not enough 64 bit ARMs17:53
Tekk_but that's the magical thing17:53
Tekk_pretty much everything that runs on maemo prefers running on x8617:53
Tekk_which has been 64 bit friendly for over a decade17:53
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meikhmm DocScrutinizer05, actually my problem with my screen blinking (yesterday) isn't really fixed by disassembling the device. I don't have any syslog file in /var/log, only dmesg filled with "kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open" (and closed)18:25
meikslide events (GPIO 71) are normal, when I open/close the lid18:25
DocScrutinizer05your lockswitch is broken18:27
DocScrutinizer05and dimming the screen is one natural thing tk_lock does18:28
meikhmm the lockswitch okay18:28
meikis there a way to tell maemo to ignore events sent by this switch ?18:29
Tekk_maybe it has its own driver which can be added to modules.blacklist?18:29
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DocScrutinizer05please check channel backscroll and log, I answered this question some week(?) ago, the guy was able to work around broken lockswitch iirc18:29
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meikI wasn't on this chan before yesterday, but if there is a log somewhere, I will be very glad to read it18:30
meikmy irssi title bar wasn't long enough18:31
DocScrutinizer05there seems to be a pretty simple /sys/bla/foo/bar/gpio113/enable node (or similar name), which takes 0 as an argument18:31
meikokay thx18:31
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DocScrutinizer05[2014-05-04 Sun 15:26:18] <vdv> DocScrutinizer05, where should i put "echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/kb_lock/disable" now? not in rcS, right? )18:34
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DocScrutinizer05all hail to 9999 lines of backscroll18:35
DocScrutinizer05meik: ^^^18:35
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infobotsomebody said phonecontrol was
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sixwheeledbeasthmm it's not on there...18:37
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: ??18:37
sixwheeledbeastdbus-send --system --print-reply /com/nokia/mce/request int32:250 int32:300018:38
sixwheeledbeastanybody know what each int does?18:38
DocScrutinizer05amplitude, duration ?18:38
sixwheeledbeastguessing m/s of something18:38
javispedrospeed -255,25518:39
javispedroduration in milliseconds18:39
DocScrutinizer05spee -255, awesome ;-P18:39
javispedro[-255..255] I mean18:39
DocScrutinizer05hi javispedro!!!!!18:39
DocScrutinizer05heck, long time no see18:39
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meikthx DocScrutinizer05 :)18:40
DocScrutinizer05meik: you don't by any chance own vdv's device now?18:41
meikhaha nope18:42
DocScrutinizer05well, then it seems we have another systematic weak spot / point of failure in N90018:42
meikit started behaving that way a few weeks ago, but since it's not my main phone, I didn't bother18:43
DocScrutinizer05which is good to know about, in case somebody plans to build a device with a similar switch18:43
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meikyep, I've seen that there is a "neo900" which is planned18:44
DocScrutinizer05btw I guess holding device face/screen down should "fix" the broken switch18:44
bencohthe hallswitch ?18:46
DocScrutinizer05hmm prolly not, the switch already *is* "upside down" when screen facing up18:46
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: this is about lockswitch18:47
sixwheeledbeastYep, thanks, speed maximum 255 and duration in m/s18:47
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: sure thing18:47
DocScrutinizer05javispedro: interested in Neo900?18:48
DocScrutinizer05we could use a gifted hacker like you18:48
DocScrutinizer05"we" probably is "fptf" here18:49
infoboti guess fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see
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DocScrutinizer05but also relevant is dos1's work:
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DocScrutinizer05 ff18:57
DocScrutinizer05>>Hopefully I'll soon be able to record similar video, but with Fremantle instead of Replicant/SHR. That would be a great milestone for "NeoFremantle" project <<18:58
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javispedroDocScrutinizer05: sadly no commitments from me these days19:08
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DocScrutinizer05a pity19:09
DocScrutinizer05too much RL?19:09
javispedronot this week I hope, but it'll get worse again soon.19:10
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DocScrutinizer05javispedro: anyway please share your thoughts about Neo900 any time you feel there's enough free time for you to do19:18
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DocScrutinizer05HMMM! seems missing a "diagram" that never been there. Daniel Wilms forgot to add it?20:28
DocScrutinizer05>>The diagram below shows the entities of the RTCOM subsystem,...<< already in initial page, also no such diagram in initial page.
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wizbitis it possible to create a wireless hotspot with a N900 so i can connect to the internet using a laptop whats close by?21:30
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Tekk_wizbit: I don't think there's anything about that on the wiki page for tethering21:35
wizbitMobile HotSpot is in the applications21:35
Tekk_then presumably you can :P21:35
wizbitand Qt Mobile Hotspot21:35
wizbithave to find out whats the best21:35
Tekk_Qt Mobile Hotspot21:36
Tekk_generally if you see an x and Qt x, Qt x is the newer one21:36
Tekk_wizbit: the wiki seems to say that you basically use bluetooth to set up ppp it seems?21:41
Tekk_but maybe mobile hotspot will actually do wifi21:41
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Tekk_since I'm a poor american on at&t I only get edge, so tethering isn't really worth it. I have no experience21:41
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hxkawizbit: Note that those don't actually use wi-fi module as hotspot, instead they create an ad-hoc connection21:59
hxkaThere is also some proprietary software, forgot how it's called22:00
hxkaQt Mobile Hotspot also allows you to share the connection via USB, not only Wi-Fi22:02
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* Tekk_ recommends sharing via usb22:11
Tekk_I always find it more reliable than wifi when tethering on any phone22:11
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mtnmanhello, i had an error on apt-get remove.  where can i find the log file for apt/dpkg?22:31
keriothere isn't one22:31
Tekk_mtnman: also you probably shouldn't use apt-get22:31
Tekk_it makes DocScrutinizer05 angry :D22:31
Tekk_it can also mess up your system22:32
Tekk_(which is why it makes him angry :P)22:32
Tekk_DocScrutinizer05: isn't it your constant advice to never use apt-get?22:32
mtnmanwhy should i worry about that?22:32
* mtnman likes apt-get22:32
Tekk_least that's what I recall last time I used it22:32
kerioTekk_: nope22:32
kerioit's not an advice to not use apt22:32
mtnmanTekk i need a better reason22:32
kerioit's a mandate of not asking for support after using apt22:32
DocScrutinizer05don't use apt-get unless you exactly know what you're doing22:33
Tekk_mtnman: I may be misremembering this, but basically there's a very tiny OS partition22:33
Tekk_and bad things happen when you fill it22:33
Tekk_when you use ham it puts it in an application partition and symlinks it in22:33
Tekk_DocScrutinizer05: about right?22:33
kerioham doesn't do any special thing with packages22:33
Tekk_so what's the ham magic then?22:33
keriothere isn't one22:33
DocScrutinizer05don't listen to kerio22:34
mtnmanTekk_ i know that apt and ham dont sync22:34
mtnmani'm trying to clean out cruft identified by deborphan22:34
DocScrutinizer05of course HAM does things that apt-get doesn't, and sometimes those are vital22:34
mtnmancan''t do that with ham22:34
keriomtnman: don't trust the dependencies22:34
mtnmankerio explain22:34
keriodependencies for at least some packages are fucked22:35
keriosystem packages, that si22:35
DocScrutinizer05maemo dependencies are fucked for almost everything22:35
kerioespecially stuff that comes from nokia22:35
* mtnman has used apt for years and LIKES it22:35
DocScrutinizer05sure, everybody does22:35
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mtnmani don't like getting ppl telling me to be scared of something without explaining the danger22:36
DocScrutinizer05me neither, but then I didn't tell you anything like that22:37
keriomtnman: HAM doesn't let you do anything to packages that aren't marked as "user"22:37
mtnmankerio fine.22:37
mtnmanbut how can i find out what apt (dpkg) did?  is there really no log file?22:38
DocScrutinizer05apt-get install procps will yield surprising unpleasant results22:38
mtnmanDoc i'm just trying to uninstall cruft identified by deborphan22:39
keriothat "cruft" might be needed22:39
DocScrutinizer05apt-get upgrade also will, particularly when you enabled extras-devel (the latter is identical to HAM though)22:39
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DocScrutinizer05apt-get autoremove is a terrible idea22:39
mtnmankerio how so? deborphan only flags pkgs that have no dependencies22:40
DocScrutinizer05as is apt-get dist-upgrade22:40
kerio<kerio> dependencies for at least some packages are fucked22:40
Tekk_mtnman: because as it was noticed before, deps are fucked22:40
mtnmanquit tellng me what doesn't work and please answer my questions22:40
Tekk_as it was mentioned*22:40
infobotfrom memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated22:40
DocScrutinizer05hmm, let's see22:41
infobotfrom memory, mp is Northern Mariana Islands22:41
mtnmanthe questions is: is there a log file or other way to find out more info about error msgs reported by apt-get?22:42
keriopaste it here, we'll try to take a look at it22:42
keriothere's no logfile22:42
DocScrutinizer05"paste it here" ??? really now?22:42
mtnmanErrors were encountered while processing:22:42
mtnman libcityinfo-settings-00222:42
mtnmanE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)22:42
Tekk_mtnman: DocScrutinizer05 linked to a page which gave you logs22:43
DocScrutinizer05did I?22:43
mtnmani did not see anything like that22:43
Tekk_DocScrutinizer: yeah22:43
Tekk_that seems to have an apt wrapper for logs22:44
keriomtnman: there should be something before that22:44
DocScrutinizer05didn't know there's sth about apt logs there22:44
mtnmanTekk but that won't help after the fact.22:44
DocScrutinizer05ooh, that22:44
DocScrutinizer05that's logging user actions, not apt's diagnostic output22:45
mtnmanso how can i find out what went wrong with libcityinfo-settings during apt-get remove?22:46
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mtnmananyone?  bueller?22:47
kerioapt-get install -f22:47
keriofor "fix"22:47
kerioand pay attention to what's going on22:48
DocScrutinizer05also, wasn't there a --simulate aka dryrun?22:48
keriothe problem was with the config part of the installation22:48
kerioyou can't dryrun that, it's arbitrary shell scripts22:49
DocScrutinizer05I think the postrm script gets stored somewhere and you can inspect and rerun it, though22:50
DocScrutinizer05var/lib/apt/*/*/... ?22:50
mtnmanwell thanks for tryingbut my question problem remains unsolved.22:53
DocScrutinizer05your last question been >>so how can i find out what went wrong with libcityinfo-settings during apt-get remove?<<, the answer to that been <DocScrutinizer05> I think the postrm script gets stored somewhere and you can inspect and rerun it, though <kerio> /var/lib/dpkg/something22:55
Tekk_wasn't there some way to install meego on the microsd card? I thought I saw something about it on the wiki but I can't seem to find it now22:56
* Tekk_ is sufficiently bored that it seems like an okay idea, if he can find a mirror with the image22:56
mtnmandoc i did not find the postrm scripst, but dpkg -s says the config files are still there22:56
mtnmanthey don't seem to be in /etc so i'm perplexed22:57
DocScrutinizer05AFAIK apt-get remove is supposed to keep the config files, that's a feature. To remove config files use apt-ger purge22:58
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mtnmanactually i did apt-get --purge remove foopkg22:58
Tekk_nitdroid would be interesting too I guess, but I'm afraid of how android will "run" on 256 MB of ram22:59
keriouse dpkg -P23:00
mtnmanfor what?23:00
kerioto purge again23:00
kerioeven if it's not installed23:00
mtnmanafaik -P == --purge23:00
infoboti heard maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED23:01
keriobut apt-get will just give up if the package isn't installed23:01
mtnmankerio what do you mean? that is not clear to me23:01
mtnmanoh... ok... sorry i parsed it incorrectly23:02
DocScrutinizer05apt-get --purge != dpkg -P23:02
mtnmansimilar result from dpkg23:03
keriowell, just restore your backup23:04
mtnmanwe are all aware that apt is a front-end for dpkg, aren't we?23:04
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DocScrutinizer05I don't like the tone in here, cya l8r23:05
mtnmankerio if you are talking to me about backup then i'm not sure you understand what i'm trying to accomplish.23:05
* mtnman did the dpkg -P and got a similar result23:06
DocScrutinizer05I'm sure you didn't mention it23:06
keriomtnman: you're clearly better than us, why are you asking us for advice?23:06
kerioi'm out23:06
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DocScrutinizer05deborphan, ohmy23:11
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* DocScrutinizer05 sets up an autoresponder "quit tellng me what doesn't work and please answer my questions" --> "*PLONK*"23:16
DocScrutinizer05everything after that been wasted time anyway23:16
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mtnmanok i'm pretty sure i figured out my problem with apt-get --purge and failure of the post-rm script... seems there is an error in the script!!23:34
mtnmanguess i should submit a bug report.23:35
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