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DocScrutinizer05US carriers give a flying F about any non-US citizen  roaming to USA with their cellphone, eh?00:20
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: 'murica00:36
kerioi doubt most americans even know other countries exist00:38
keriolet alone care about the standard cellphone frequencies used by them00:38
DocScrutinizer05that's actually sadly close to reality00:39
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Tekk_`can anyone recommend an mpd client? I assume that there's at least one, but getting suggestions would be nice while I wait for HAM to actually give me a package list02:30
Tekk_`or there isn't one....okay02:33
Tekk_`guess that gives me a reason to try out the sdk02:33
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MaxdamantusTekk_`: you can always just use ncmpc04:06
Tekk_`Maxdamantus: I guess04:06
Tekk_`or just mpc itself04:06
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is
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Tekk_`DocScrutinizer05: why hasn't that been pushed out as an update?04:44
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Sicelohi ..13:55
Siceloi have noticed that Nokia Maps seems to no longer be getting map data.13:56
Siceloanyone else seen this?13:56
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jaxsonSicelo: can confirm this, doesn't work for me neither14:16
jaxsonsatellite view seems to work though14:16
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Siceloyes, funny enough, haha14:39
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DocScrutinizer05no surprise15:03
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Defiantso one more point to throw nokia maps away in neo900?15:04
DocScrutinizer05Nokia maps (the app) basically got bought by M$, but I guess the map company (navteq?) wasn't part of that deal. M$ already cleans out eMMC images that contain map data, on fileservers15:05
Defiantso what do the windows phones do?15:05
DocScrutinizer05Defiant: you can bet on nokia maps not being one of the core apps we will take care about to make it work in fptf15:05
DocScrutinizer05however note that neo900 group doesn't decide on anything regarding fptf. Since fptf is a community project not ruled by neo900 group15:06
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* Defiant just needs default gpsd protocol15:07
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DocScrutinizer05that should be simple, seen our GPS post of yesterday evening?15:08
Defiantnot yet15:08
Siceloat this time, which is the recommended maps application for N900?15:13
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DefiantProbably depends on what you need15:15
DocScrutinizer05there are ~3 or 4 of them15:15
Sicelo1) it must allow caching maps, 2) able to do offline routing.15:16
Sicelovoice guidance would be nice too15:16
DocScrutinizer05modrana, marble, mappero(?)15:20
DocScrutinizer05yup mappero15:21
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DocScrutinizer05modrana prolly the most active maintained one, thanks m4rtink15:21
Sicelothanks. :)15:21
DocScrutinizer05you just should check them all, neither the wiki website nor my experience is quite up to date15:24
DocScrutinizer05and your preferences and requirements may vary15:24
DocScrutinizer05marble been nice a 2 years ago (though greedy), but seems got semi-orphaned since then15:25
DocScrutinizer05while modrana gets constant maintenance but I didn't use it until recently15:26
DocScrutinizer05I'd *really* love to link address in contacts to some other map app than ovi maps. That's really annoying15:27
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Sicelothe dbus request is generated 'in secrecy?'15:28
Defiantdbus and secrecy?15:29
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DocScrutinizer05I bet there's some dbus appstarter file that defines which app to start when a message for "maps" comes in. But that map app then needs to use the proper dbus name to identify itself and receive messages on that name15:33
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/
DocScrutinizer05# Service description file for Nokia Maps15:39
DocScrutinizer05[D-BUS Service]15:39
DocScrutinizer05Exec=/usr/bin/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html 2>/dev/null15:40
meikhas anyone already encountered a problem where the n900 screen goes flashing (on/off) every seconds, and in the dmesg log there are occurences of "lof open" "lid closed" events ? (even if the screen actually remains open OR closed)15:40
DocScrutinizer05dang, lots of spaces?15:40
DocScrutinizer05meik: sorry, not addressed at you15:41
meikokay :)15:41
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DocScrutinizer05meik: your problem sounds pretty weird15:42
DocScrutinizer05could you pastebin the dmesg section please?15:43
DocScrutinizer05some 20 or 30 lines15:43
DocScrutinizer05actually syslog preferred15:43
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DocScrutinizer05May 10 00:53:56 IroN900 kernel: [55194.485260] slide (GPIO 71) is now open15:46
DocScrutinizer05is the relevant logline15:46
DocScrutinizer05and "closed" of course15:46
DocScrutinizer05" lid " not found15:47
meikDocScrutinizer05: I don't have it with me atm15:49
meikI let it at home today15:49
meikbtw, I will try cleaning the screen connectors15:50
jpinxmeik: mine did that after I had replaced the screen15:52
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jpinxI re-replaced it and all was well -- I think it was to do with the way the screen slider works and makes it's contacts.15:53
DocScrutinizer05meik: sorry ehat will you try to clean?15:53
DocScrutinizer05the screen slider doesn't "make contacts"15:54
jpinxmeik: have you been doing something with the screen or it's mounting/slider ?15:54
DocScrutinizer05there's a flex cable with a board2board connector, and there's a magnet in screen and a hallswitch on mobo15:54
meikactually it started behaving that way a few days ago15:54
meikI haven't used it for a few weeks15:55
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: I noticed that is very easy to refit the screen incorrectly and leave a bigger than usual gap - allowing the magentic switch to be uncertain15:55
jpinxmeik: have you dropped it ?15:56
meikhmm I don't think so15:56
jpinxor sat on it ;)15:56
meikit travels in my laptop bag, so maybe a bit crunched15:56
DocScrutinizer05first off we need the syslog15:56
meikyep, I will check that in the evening when I go home15:56
jpinxis the gap between the screen and main body the same allthe way round - a snug fit ?15:56
DocScrutinizer05the hallswitch is on GPIO7115:57
meikseems to be the same but I wil check that15:57
jpinxok -- come back when you've got the thing in your hands ;)15:57
DocScrutinizer05unless we see that toggling in syslog, we don't need to start checking magnet, gap, hall switch15:58
jpinxbut hard to know what else could be causing it15:58
jpinxmaybe old age ;)15:58
DocScrutinizer05I could think of a funny feedback loop from screen backlight to either ALS or proxi sensor15:58
DocScrutinizer05both, under certain circumstances, could cause screen to go dark when light goes to them16:00
DocScrutinizer05also the backlight boost converter (PSU) might have a hw defect16:00
DocScrutinizer05first of all, check if the effect is dependant on state of slider open/close16:01
DocScrutinizer05all but flex cable/b2b-conn and hallswitch should be independant of slider open/closed16:02
DocScrutinizer05and both of the above are hardly any independent on slider state16:03
DocScrutinizer05meik: ping me when you got better data16:03
DocScrutinizer05i.e. when you're back home16:04
meikyup :)16:06
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e-yesanyone has an idea how to access vibra directly from userspace using /dev/input device?18:06
e-yes(for rm696, sorry)18:06
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AggeDocScrutinizer05: do you have any idee om what do do whit a n900 that the touch screen dont realy work?19:05
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MaxdamantusMeh, e-yes left.20:01
MaxdamantusIt's in /sys, not /dev20:01
Maxdamantusecho 255 80 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_vibra/pulse20:02
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DocScrutinizer05Agge: swap digitizer?20:55
Aggedo you know whare to get those?20:55
DocScrutinizer05Agge: define "dont realy work"20:55
Aggesome parts of it works allitle but allot of the time it rigister the button press but it will show that it have registred the screen press20:57
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Aggeit don't register the actualy button press but show that it have resived somthing20:58
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lynx-zadditionally to Agge above, it's like the screen is extremely badly calibrated, and register touches only sometimes, and usually not in the right area of the screen itself21:02
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lynx-zwhich makes it's quite difficult to use the screen at all21:02
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lynx-zDocScrutinizer05: do you have any idea what we can do about the thing?21:04
lynx-zit would've be very useful if the keyboard navigation was possible :(21:05
DocScrutinizer05run screen calibration, test, reseat the flexd cable b2b-connector, test, run screen calibration, test, do full reflash, test, swap digitizer, test, discard (stop on test==success)21:07
lynx-zbut we can't even access the screen callibration21:07
DocScrutinizer05 /usr/bin/tscalibrate21:08
DocScrutinizer05or: /usr/bin/tscalibrate cpanel 6710888621:08
lynx-zDocScrutinizer05: thankyousir, we'll try <321:09
AggeDocScrutinizer05: any quick comands to acces the setting menue?21:09
DocScrutinizer05won't help since you can't select anything in settings menu, when digitizer defunct21:11
Defiantyou should be able to with x2x or ssh forward21:12
DocScrutinizer05you should be able to use a *mouse*21:12
DocScrutinizer05either BT or USB with hostmode21:12
Defianttry controlpanel for settings21:12
Defiantbroken touch?21:13
DocScrutinizer05sounds like ts with leaking oil separator21:14
AggeDocScrutinizer05: P.S. thes is the second china phone of 4 that we have truble with21:15
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AggeDocScrutinizer05: if we connect a mouse with a usb OTG cable to it do we need to doanything with the settings or will it start working imeditly21:41
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AggeDocScrutinizer05: It seem like it was the screen protektor that the china phone was delivered with that made the screen not work21:49
DocScrutinizer05you need H-E-N21:49
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infoboti heard pkg is
Aggeaha thanks21:50
meikI disconnected and connected again my screen (n900) and now the problem is gone...21:51
meik(at least, for now)21:51
DocScrutinizer05get an old version of H-E-N which is python21:51
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's what I suggested as 2nd step to try and fix it21:52
AggeDocScrutinizer05: do the they have a problem with lose conectors?21:53
DocScrutinizer05the b2b connector usually doesn't go loose omce it's properly connected (unless you insert a credit card between kbd and screen)21:55
DocScrutinizer05but somebody reassembling the device night have failed to properly seat it21:55
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: but somebody reassembling the device might have failed to properly seat it21:55
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wizbitDocScrutinizer05: have you ever tested N900drop22:13
wizbiti think maybe the software is old and thats why it doesnt auth22:14
wizbitit doesnt matter, can use the web client easy enough22:14
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mkaindlhm, just took my n900 out of the box, where it was lying the last half year and wanted to reflash it, but had to see, that is down :(22:35
mkaindlany idea where to get some images from a trusted source?22:36
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infoboti guess emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or, or
infoboti heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
infobotsomebody said flasher was at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
RiDthere you go, you can still follow the tutorial on maemo wiki I guess22:37
NIN101checksums somewhere could be useful.22:38
RiDthey're... somewhere22:38
NIN101anyone knows whether nokia allows redistributing the firmware?22:39
sixwheeledbeastNIN101: If m.o could redistribute I am sure they would.22:42
mkaindlcan we put the links in the wiki?22:42
sixwheeledbeastPossibly this wasn't done for a reason.22:44
DocScrutinizer05I don't see why we couldn't put them on wiki somewhere22:51
DocScrutinizer05but rather not directly to updating_the_firmware tutorial22:52
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DocScrutinizer05rather on a separate page and link to that page from tutorial22:53
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DocScrutinizer05also a clear note that Nokia shut down tabletsdev 18some months ago for no good reason (at least no reason given)22:54
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thedead1440maybe wiki can link to a pastebin link where all those * links are pasted22:55
DocScrutinizer05rumor has it they stated some "security issue" inofficially. Nobody knows why they were not able to fix said security issue22:55
DocScrutinizer05pastebin is not editable22:57
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DocScrutinizer05where I live, linking to official support files isn't illegal, not even when those support files are not on the URL they once been22:58
DocScrutinizer05when those files where meant to get sold, like e.g. mp3 music, then somebody could try to sue you for "supporting piracy" and try to get money for you to compensate the loss they had from not selling the mp3 files (or CDs)22:59
DocScrutinizer05when you rename the files or use them in own work, then owner could sue you for copyright infringement23:01
DocScrutinizer05as long as they are (or were) officially and freely available for download, pointing to a backup/archive is 100% OK for all I know23:02
DocScrutinizer05except for flasher, all files been freely downloadable from
DocScrutinizer05flasher might be a FOSS infringement by Nokia, so probably they rather ignore you pointing to a DL site than sue you for something they did wrong themselves23:03
DocScrutinizer05or Nokia has the rights to flash those firmware files to their devices (even in service points, using phoenix software, thus the files are on but they must not redistribute them to customers23:06
DocScrutinizer05thus they removed flasher and nuked tabletsdev23:06
DocScrutinizer05who knows23:06
DocScrutinizer05who cares?23:06
DocScrutinizer05Nokia didn't tell us what's the problem and the supposed solution, so they have to live with community finding their own solutions to their own problems23:07
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DocScrutinizer05HiFo supposed to sort this out and offer a clear statement about tabletsdev, since ... 2 years?23:14
DocScrutinizer05seems the progress and success is pretty limited23:15
DocScrutinizer05or rather, completely obscure23:15
DocScrutinizer05any further "stay calm and hush, we're in negotiations, don't disturb those" seems like a lame joke23:17
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* DocScrutinizer05 figures HiFo_or_whatever_successor announcing proudly "we got the permissions to host fiasco image for PR1.1!!!" -- in 202323:22
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sixwheeledbeastwow, there's been a shed load of spam on w.m.o. I haven't had the time to keep an eye on it lately. All from different IP's so hard to block. Seems I have rolled back the last 30 days worth.23:25
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