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| DocScrutinizer05 | insane | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | US carriers give a flying F about any non-US citizen roaming to USA with their cellphone, eh? | 00:20 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 'murica | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 00:38 |
| kerio | i doubt most americans even know other countries exist | 00:38 |
| kerio | let alone care about the standard cellphone frequencies used by them | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's actually sadly close to reality | 00:39 |
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| Tekk_` | can anyone recommend an mpd client? I assume that there's at least one, but getting suggestions would be nice while I wait for HAM to actually give me a package list | 02:30 |
| Tekk_` | or there isn't one....okay | 02:33 |
| Tekk_` | guess that gives me a reason to try out the sdk | 02:33 |
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| Maxdamantus | Tekk_`: you can always just use ncmpc | 04:06 |
| Tekk_` | Maxdamantus: I guess | 04:06 |
| Tekk_` | or just mpc itself | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham | 04:35 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb | 04:35 |
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| Tekk_` | DocScrutinizer05: why hasn't that been pushed out as an update? | 04:44 |
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| Sicelo | hi .. | 13:55 |
| Sicelo | i have noticed that Nokia Maps seems to no longer be getting map data. | 13:56 |
| Sicelo | anyone else seen this? | 13:56 |
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| jaxson | Sicelo: can confirm this, doesn't work for me neither | 14:16 |
| jaxson | satellite view seems to work though | 14:16 |
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| Sicelo | yes, funny enough, haha | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise | 15:03 |
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| Defiant | so one more point to throw nokia maps away in neo900? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia maps (the app) basically got bought by M$, but I guess the map company (navteq?) wasn't part of that deal. M$ already cleans out eMMC images that contain map data, on fire.nokia.com fileservers | 15:05 |
| Defiant | so what do the windows phones do? | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Defiant: you can bet on nokia maps not being one of the core apps we will take care about to make it work in fptf | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however note that neo900 group doesn't decide on anything regarding fptf. Since fptf is a community project not ruled by neo900 group | 15:06 |
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| * Defiant just needs default gpsd protocol | 15:07 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that should be simple, seen our GPS post of yesterday evening? | 15:08 |
| Defiant | not yet | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1426008 | 15:08 |
| Defiant | thx | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 15:09 |
| Sicelo | at this time, which is the recommended maps application for N900? | 15:13 |
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| Defiant | Probably depends on what you need | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are ~3 or 4 of them | 15:15 |
| Sicelo | 1) it must allow caching maps, 2) able to do offline routing. | 15:16 |
| Sicelo | voice guidance would be nice too | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modrana, marble, mappero(?) | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup mappero | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | modrana prolly the most active maintained one, thanks m4rtink | 15:21 |
| Sicelo | thanks. :) | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools#modRana_2 | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you just should check them all, neither the wiki website nor my experience is quite up to date | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and your preferences and requirements may vary | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | marble been nice a 2 years ago (though greedy), but seems got semi-orphaned since then | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while modrana gets constant maintenance but I didn't use it until recently | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd *really* love to link address in contacts to some other map app than ovi maps. That's really annoying | 15:27 |
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| Sicelo | the dbus request is generated 'in secrecy?' | 15:28 |
| Defiant | dbus and secrecy? | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | secrecy? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet there's some dbus appstarter file that defines which app to start when a message for "maps" comes in. But that map app then needs to use the proper dbus name to identify itself and receive messages on that name | 15:33 |
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| meik | hi | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/D-Bus/Autostart_Services | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.NokiaMaps.service | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | # Service description file for Nokia Maps | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [D-BUS Service] | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Name=com.nokia.NokiaMaps | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Exec=/usr/bin/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html 2>/dev/null | 15:40 |
| meik | has anyone already encountered a problem where the n900 screen goes flashing (on/off) every seconds, and in the dmesg log there are occurences of "lof open" "lid closed" events ? (even if the screen actually remains open OR closed) | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, lots of spaces? | 15:40 |
| meik | ? | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meik: sorry, not addressed at you | 15:41 |
| meik | okay :) | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meik: your problem sounds pretty weird | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you pastebin the dmesg section please? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some 20 or 30 lines | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually syslog preferred | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | May 10 00:53:56 IroN900 kernel: [55194.485260] slide (GPIO 71) is now open | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is the relevant logline | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and "closed" of course | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | " lid " not found | 15:47 |
| meik | DocScrutinizer05: I don't have it with me atm | 15:49 |
| meik | I let it at home today | 15:49 |
| meik | btw, I will try cleaning the screen connectors | 15:50 |
| jpinx | meik: mine did that after I had replaced the screen | 15:52 |
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| jpinx | I re-replaced it and all was well -- I think it was to do with the way the screen slider works and makes it's contacts. | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meik: sorry ehat will you try to clean? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the screen slider doesn't "make contacts" | 15:54 |
| jpinx | meik: have you been doing something with the screen or it's mounting/slider ? | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a flex cable with a board2board connector, and there's a magnet in screen and a hallswitch on mobo | 15:54 |
| meik | actually it started behaving that way a few days ago | 15:54 |
| meik | I haven't used it for a few weeks | 15:55 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I noticed that is very easy to refit the screen incorrectly and leave a bigger than usual gap - allowing the magentic switch to be uncertain | 15:55 |
| jpinx | meik: have you dropped it ? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 15:56 |
| meik | hmm I don't think so | 15:56 |
| jpinx | or sat on it ;) | 15:56 |
| meik | it travels in my laptop bag, so maybe a bit crunched | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first off we need the syslog | 15:56 |
| meik | yep, I will check that in the evening when I go home | 15:56 |
| jpinx | is the gap between the screen and main body the same allthe way round - a snug fit ? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the hallswitch is on GPIO71 | 15:57 |
| meik | seems to be the same but I wil check that | 15:57 |
| jpinx | ok -- come back when you've got the thing in your hands ;) | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless we see that toggling in syslog, we don't need to start checking magnet, gap, hall switch | 15:58 |
| jpinx | indeed | 15:58 |
| jpinx | but hard to know what else could be causing it | 15:58 |
| jpinx | maybe old age ;) | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could think of a funny feedback loop from screen backlight to either ALS or proxi sensor | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both, under certain circumstances, could cause screen to go dark when light goes to them | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also the backlight boost converter (PSU) might have a hw defect | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first of all, check if the effect is dependant on state of slider open/close | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all but flex cable/b2b-conn and hallswitch should be independant of slider open/closed | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and both of the above are hardly any independent on slider state | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meik: ping me when you got better data | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. when you're back home | 16:04 |
| meik | yup :) | 16:06 |
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| e-yes | anyone has an idea how to access vibra directly from userspace using /dev/input device? | 18:06 |
| e-yes | (for rm696, sorry) | 18:06 |
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| Agge | DocScrutinizer05: do you have any idee om what do do whit a n900 that the touch screen dont realy work? | 19:05 |
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| Maxdamantus | Meh, e-yes left. | 20:01 |
| Maxdamantus | It's in /sys, not /dev | 20:01 |
| Maxdamantus | echo 255 80 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_vibra/pulse | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: swap digitizer? | 20:55 |
| Agge | do you know whare to get those? | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: define "dont realy work" | 20:55 |
| Agge | some parts of it works allitle but allot of the time it rigister the button press but it will show that it have registred the screen press | 20:57 |
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| Agge | it don't register the actualy button press but show that it have resived somthing | 20:58 |
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| lynx-z | additionally to Agge above, it's like the screen is extremely badly calibrated, and register touches only sometimes, and usually not in the right area of the screen itself | 21:02 |
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| lynx-z | which makes it's quite difficult to use the screen at all | 21:02 |
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| lynx-z | DocScrutinizer05: do you have any idea what we can do about the thing? | 21:04 |
| lynx-z | it would've be very useful if the keyboard navigation was possible :( | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | run screen calibration, test, reseat the flexd cable b2b-connector, test, run screen calibration, test, do full reflash, test, swap digitizer, test, discard (stop on test==success) | 21:07 |
| lynx-z | but we can't even access the screen callibration | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/tscalibrate | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or: /usr/bin/tscalibrate cpanel 67108886 | 21:08 |
| Agge | thanks | 21:08 |
| lynx-z | DocScrutinizer05: thankyousir, we'll try <3 | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 21:09 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05: any quick comands to acces the setting menue? | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't help since you can't select anything in settings menu, when digitizer defunct | 21:11 |
| Defiant | you should be able to with x2x or ssh forward | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should be able to use a *mouse* | 21:12 |
| Agge | how? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either BT or USB with hostmode | 21:12 |
| Defiant | try controlpanel for settings | 21:12 |
| Defiant | broken touch? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like ts with leaking oil separator | 21:14 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05: P.S. thes is the second china phone of 4 that we have truble with | 21:15 |
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| Agge | DocScrutinizer05: if we connect a mouse with a usb OTG cable to it do we need to doanything with the settings or will it start working imeditly | 21:41 |
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| Agge | DocScrutinizer05: It seem like it was the screen protektor that the china phone was delivered with that made the screen not work | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need H-E-N | 21:49 |
| Agge | ? | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 21:50 |
| infobot | i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 21:50 |
| Agge | aha thanks | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/hostmode-gui/ | 21:50 |
| meik | I disconnected and connected again my screen (n900) and now the problem is gone... | 21:51 |
| meik | (at least, for now) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get an old version of H-E-N which is python | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what I suggested as 2nd step to try and fix it | 21:52 |
| meik | yup | 21:52 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05: do the they have a problem with lose conectors? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the b2b connector usually doesn't go loose omce it's properly connected (unless you insert a credit card between kbd and screen) | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but somebody reassembling the device night have failed to properly seat it | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/night/might/ | 21:55 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: but somebody reassembling the device might have failed to properly seat it | 21:55 |
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| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: have you ever tested N900drop | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 22:13 |
| wizbit | i think maybe the software is old and thats why it doesnt auth | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:14 |
| wizbit | it doesnt matter, can use the web client easy enough | 22:14 |
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| mkaindl | hm, just took my n900 out of the box, where it was lying the last half year and wanted to reflash it, but had to see, that http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ is down :( | 22:35 |
| mkaindl | any idea where to get some images from a trusted source? | 22:36 |
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| RiD | ~emmc | 22:37 |
| infobot | i guess emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 22:37 |
| RiD | ~combined | 22:37 |
| infobot | i heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 22:37 |
| RiD | ~flasher | 22:37 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 22:37 |
| RiD | there you go, you can still follow the tutorial on maemo wiki I guess | 22:37 |
| NIN101 | checksums somewhere could be useful. | 22:38 |
| RiD | they're... somewhere | 22:38 |
| NIN101 | anyone knows whether nokia allows redistributing the firmware? | 22:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | NIN101: If m.o could redistribute I am sure they would. | 22:42 |
| mkaindl | can we put the fds-fire.nokia.com links in the wiki? | 22:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Possibly this wasn't done for a reason. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see why we couldn't put them on wiki somewhere | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but rather not directly to updating_the_firmware tutorial | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rather on a separate page and link to that page from tutorial | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also a clear note that Nokia shut down tabletsdev 18some months ago for no good reason (at least no reason given) | 22:54 |
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| thedead1440 | maybe wiki can link to a pastebin link where all those *.nokia.com links are pasted | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rumor has it they stated some "security issue" inofficially. Nobody knows why they were not able to fix said security issue | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pastebin is not editable | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | where I live, linking to official support files isn't illegal, not even when those support files are not on the URL they once been | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when those files where meant to get sold, like e.g. mp3 music, then somebody could try to sue you for "supporting piracy" and try to get money for you to compensate the loss they had from not selling the mp3 files (or CDs) | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you rename the files or use them in own work, then owner could sue you for copyright infringement | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as they are (or were) officially and freely available for download, pointing to a backup/archive is 100% OK for all I know | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for flasher, all files been freely downloadable from fire.nokia.com | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flasher might be a FOSS infringement by Nokia, so probably they rather ignore you pointing to a DL site than sue you for something they did wrong themselves | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or Nokia has the rights to flash those firmware files to their devices (even in service points, using phoenix software, thus the files are on fire.nokia.com) but they must not redistribute them to customers | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus they removed flasher and nuked tabletsdev | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who knows | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who cares? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia didn't tell us what's the problem and the supposed solution, so they have to live with community finding their own solutions to their own problems | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo supposed to sort this out and offer a clear statement about tabletsdev, since ... 2 years? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems the progress and success is pretty limited | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, completely obscure | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any further "stay calm and hush, we're in negotiations, don't disturb those" seems like a lame joke | 23:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 figures HiFo_or_whatever_successor announcing proudly "we got the permissions to host fiasco image for PR1.1!!!" -- in 2023 | 23:22 | |
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| jaska | heh | 23:25 |
| jaska | 2300 | 23:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wow, there's been a shed load of spam on w.m.o. I haven't had the time to keep an eye on it lately. All from different IP's so hard to block. Seems I have rolled back the last 30 days worth. | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 23:25 |
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