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DocScrutinizer05xes: sorry no modest dbus client on my system to use mdbus2 <tab> expansion to see what methods it offers00:13
DocScrutinizer05mdbus2 -i00:14
DocScrutinizer05tab works like on shell00:14
DocScrutinizer05tab-tab lists all completions available00:15
DocScrutinizer05though: MDBUS2> /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer [ERR]: No introspection data at object '/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer'00:17
bencohhow does mdbus work ?00:17
bencohI mean, how does mdbus completion work ?00:17
DocScrutinizer05and dbus00:17
bencohoh, introspection, right00:18
DocScrutinizer05every dbus object SHOULD have an introspection method. Alas several Nokia opbjects don't00:18
DocScrutinizer05there been some "good" reason why they don't, some lib not supporting that or whatever00:19
bencohand/or not willing to build with introspection support00:20
bencoh(perf impact ?)00:20
bencoh(complexity ?)00:20
DocScrutinizer05no, the tools they used forbid that, they claimed00:21
DocScrutinizer05some framework that been used00:21
DocScrutinizer05no idea00:21
DocScrutinizer05it's a few years since I asked a colabora or nokia dude why introspection missing00:22
DocScrutinizer05since honestly, it sucks00:22
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DocScrutinizer05they agreed but had a somewhat plausible excuse00:23
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robbiethe1stSo... It's time.04:40
robbiethe1stTo see if I can hack my N900s USB port back working again. And then fix my other N900's USB port. And finally a third N900's port04:41
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robbiethe1stI have just gotten a working USB connection on my N900 again.06:02
robbiethe1stMy /original/ N900.06:02
robbiethe1stIt's been 2 years, 9 months since it last worked.06:02
robbiethe1stI swear, microUSB connections are way too tiny06:04
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solofightis there really a way to have encrypted home in n900 without really making my phone too sluggish ?10:24
solofightwho ever wrote a manual talks about too many problems and workaronds like plausible deniability, error while mounting and stuff like this10:25
solofighti can setup once and had to giveit to somebody who will not know how to mount a partition10:25
solofightevery time she gets that error10:26
solofightso the question is can i really make a device secure with truecrypt without any hardcore stuff required by end user - which will not render my phone ultra slow every time i open any applications ?10:26
solofightIs this trustable ?
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zGrrmoin :)11:05
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DocScrutinizer05solo is a bit in a hurry it seems12:06
DocScrutinizer05grr, now they start to send spam with UTF or even html-encoded subject lines12:09
DocScrutinizer05which means that the insanity leaks into kmail's folder mail list view12:10
DocScrutinizer05aah,  Subject: PROM0TI0N =?GB2312?B?o9ej0qPJo9Oj1KPCo8GjzqPEo9M=?=12:12
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DocScrutinizer05how many of you see strange char for 0x1B aka ESC aka14:23
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DocScrutinizer05 aka 0x1B aka ESC. How  many of you see a strange representation of this char or otherwise witness strange effects?14:25
DocScrutinizer05on desktop primarily, but of course maemo is also under investigation14:26
infobotmethinks rescueos is
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DocScrutinizer05libreoffice spreadsheet for example doesn't show the tripleheight } when I insert it into a cell, but it knows about the height when I let it adjust cell height to "optimum"14:28
DocScrutinizer05Konversation acts quite funny when that 0x1B got inserted from clipboard to text input field14:30
r00t^d430my xchat2 seems to be displaying lots of spaces for your lines there14:30
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Guest98823mine does as well14:43
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useretailDocScrutinizer05: i see it15:45
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DocScrutinizer05it seems all (KDElib-based?) apps have funny ideas when you add a 0x1B ESC char somewhere15:56
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erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 explain?16:01
erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 or more: elaborate16:02
DocScrutinizer05erlehmann: 16:02
erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 what do KDElib-based apps then?16:04
erlehmannwhat do they do?16:04
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DocScrutinizer05well, copy&paste the giant "}" above, if you see it in your Konversation IRC clinet, and paste it to the text input field. Then type a few more chars to that field. Enjoy16:52
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DocScrutinizer05the double meaning of 0x1B as non-printable ESC control char and some printable representation probably based on UTF-8 messup will result in quite surprising results16:53
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kerioIRC has no well-defined encoding anyway17:25
keriobut if you don't use UTF8, fuck you17:26
erlehmannwhat kerio says17:26
erlehmanni hate the xchat/mirc „send latin-1 sometimes and utf-8 some other time“ with a passion17:26
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kerioapart for microsoft comic chat17:29
merlin1991hm utf8 0x1b lookes nothing like what doc posted17:29
merlin1991at least if I can trust the input area of this qt4 irc client on windows17:30
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erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 i only see the symbol for the escape character17:32
erlehmannthis one: ␛17:33
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merlin1991wtf when I take the caracter to the clipboard it ends up as 0x90 0x9B17:35
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merlin1991hm seems like the handling of quassel is derp here17:39
merlin1991when I go into the logs it is saved as \x1B but it isn't displayed properly here17:39
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merlin1991hm actually it looks like the clipboard is at fault here17:42
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DocScrutinizer05erlehmann: that's what I'd expect to see as well, yes19:11
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DocScrutinizer05␛ = U+241B however19:17
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DocScrutinizer05is U+001b, in konversation you can search for U+001b in "insert special char"19:19
DocScrutinizer05xchat should be safe I guess, it had its fair share of messing up by special chars a while ago19:20
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Maxdamantus90 9b = 1001000 10011011 = U+(2^10 + 27) = U+41B, I think.19:34
Maxdamantuser, nvm, missed a 019:35
Maxdamantus90 9b = 10010000 10011011 = U+(2^11 + 27) = U+81B O_o19:36
MaxdamantusNo, miscounted and got it right the first time.19:38
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MaxdamantusOh, that's not actually a valid UTF-8 sequence .. U+241B is that with e2 at the beginning.19:42
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DocScrutinizer05U+909b = 邛19:49
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DocScrutinizer05␛ is e2909b according to od -x19:53
DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~> od -x19:54
DocScrutinizer050000000 90e2 e29b 9b90 90e2 e29b 9b90 90e2 e29b19:54
* DocScrutinizer05 doesn't grok that UTF8 stuff19:54
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vdvon my n900, if standard music player plays a song, and i run espeak simultaneously, i hear no sound from espeak22:20
vdvmore specific problem: navit sound conflicts with player22:20
vdvhow can i workaround that?22:20
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DocScrutinizer05vdv: this is a collision of audio output used by espeak vs the usual PA-based audio on maemo. "There's a thread for it" on tmo, you might be able to spot it via searching22:54
vdvDocScrutinizer05, as workaround written small script to pause media player, execute espeak and resume player again22:55
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DocScrutinizer05sounds good to me22:55
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vdvbut not sure whether it's  100%  reliable22:55
DocScrutinizer05you prolly don't want to mix whatever espeak got to say with loud MP3 music anyway ;-)22:55
DocScrutinizer05vdv: well, you probably first should check if mediaplayer resp mafw is actually playing media, store the current state, and restore that state later on. So you don't unpause an already paused playback after espeak finishes its thing22:57
vdvthat too22:58
DocScrutinizer05and you might want to make that restore-state a cleanup procedure called via `trap cleanup ONEXIT`22:58
vdvbut i mean, maybe resources are not always freed for espeak on pause22:58
DocScrutinizer05yes, that too, you should pasue a maybe 500ms, then check if resources are available. If espeak doesn't throw error when they are not, anyway, in which case testing doesn't make much sense. The cleanup will run no matter what, on EXIT23:00
sixwheeledbeastWell from a quick test, stock MP ignores espeak. OMP merges espeak at the same volume.23:01
DocScrutinizer05or you loop in a "busy" (sleep 0.5) loop, testing for resources free until either success or a counter expired23:01
DocScrutinizer05on counter expired you `exit 5` (which calls cleanup), on success you proceed to espeak and then exit 023:02
vdvDocScrutinizer05, sounds good23:02
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DocScrutinizer05up to you to make that a sleep 0.1 (beware, messybox doesn't know sub-second sleep), and to set expiry counter to anything you deem acceptable23:04
DocScrutinizer05do NOT do busy loop *without* any delay/sleep23:04
DocScrutinizer05this is a guarantueed killer23:05
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DocScrutinizer05also do not loop infinitely (without expiry counter) this will eventually give you severe headache23:06
bencohwe should crucify those who do23:06
bencoh(and expose their flesh to the public)23:06
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DocScrutinizer05hi sixwheeledbeast23:08
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: do you recall what's been the tale around espeak for modrana(?) guidance?23:09
DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall they had the same problem back when with it23:09
sixwheeledbeasthmmm, no I have not23:10
sixwheeledbeast~seen M4rtinK23:10
infobotm4rtink <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 7h 55m 31s ago, saying: 'the ultimate IDLE RPG channel'.23:10
DocScrutinizer05another one that comes to mind is "speak number calling"23:10
DocScrutinizer05ooh right, m4artin23:10
sixwheeledbeastI have an issue with SMM10 that is talks over everything including the phone :)23:11
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DocScrutinizer05never touched it23:11
DocScrutinizer05prolly using playsound ?23:11
DocScrutinizer05I think playsound does brute force23:12
sixwheeledbeastI guess so, maybe this could be a solution to above issue?23:12
DocScrutinizer05and now that I come to think about it, espeak|playsound or sth like that might have been one of the solutions back when23:13
DocScrutinizer05took a while to type this23:13
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vdvDocScrutinizer05, tested a little with running navit and playing media player, seems to work correctly for now23:14
DocScrutinizer05espeak per default using ESD? :-S23:14
DocScrutinizer05not ElectroStatic Discharge but enlightenment sound daemon23:14
vdvespeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho  "$text"  | mbrola -v 1.5 -e de7 - -.raw | pacat --channels=1 --rate=22050 --format=s16le --volume=6553623:15
DocScrutinizer05ugh, pacat23:15
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DocScrutinizer05whatever mbrola might be23:15
vdvit's offical binary for arm23:16
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DocScrutinizer05search tmo for espeak, some of the first 100 hits should be yours ;-)23:16
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DocScrutinizer05I mean, espeak is espeak, no matter who's invoking it23:17
vdvare there any other issues with it?23:17
DocScrutinizer05not really, afaik23:17
vdvyou suggest to search23:17
DocScrutinizer05maybe a bit of niceness tuning needed23:18
DocScrutinizer05vdv: every"body" using espeak is running into your issues23:18
DocScrutinizer05no matter what's the top app23:18
freemangordonI guess it is an alsa policy thing. or PA policy. -> ohmd :)23:19
DocScrutinizer05app using espeak, thus seeing your problems23:19
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: sure, in the end it is23:19
vdvi know how to pause/resume media player, how can check the current state?23:19
freemangordonvdv: it is not the correct way to do it23:19
vdvdbus-send /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer
DocScrutinizer05replace the .pause by .getstate or sth in your dbus call?23:20
vdvfreemangordon, with dbus call not?23:20
freemangordonsomewhere in /etc/(osso?) there should be a definition of priorities and mixin23:20
infobotphonecontrol is, like,
freemangordonyou can include your application there and assign the correct priority. Though I can;t give you details (simply don;t know them)23:21
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: omg, you wanna define a new policy for it?23:21
freemangordonsure, why not?23:21
DocScrutinizer05because you're not the only one who doesn't know details ;-P23:21
freemangordonwell, maybe it is about time someone to discover how this should be done :P23:22
DocScrutinizer05the big white void on maemo map23:22
DocScrutinizer05one of the many23:22
DocScrutinizer05terra incognita23:22
DocScrutinizer05those who wandered there kept their knowledge and took it with them23:23
DocScrutinizer05or I hadn't been invited to the party where they told their stories23:24
vdvDocScrutinizer05, .getState or .state doesn't work in dbus call23:25
DocScrutinizer05heck, isn't that what pali RE'ed in LISP? PROLOG? UGHUGH?23:25
bencohthey'd have killed you afterwards anyway23:25
freemangordonwell, I remember there was some config file in /etc. and it was not complicated. just that I can't find it now :(23:25
DocScrutinizer05ugh ooogh ugh ugh ooog ooog ugh23:26
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DocScrutinizer05or was it whitespace?23:26
DocScrutinizer05vdv: see23:27
infobotrumour has it, phonecontrol is
DocScrutinizer05if it has sth for you23:27
vdvi think it's get_status23:27
vdvDocScrutinizer05, get_status is not listed there23:27
DocScrutinizer05I guessed23:27
sixwheeledbeast/etc/pulse maybe?23:27
sixwheeledbeastxpolicy is a symlink to /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse23:29
DocScrutinizer05autospawn = no23:29
DocScrutinizer05disable-shm = yes23:29
DocScrutinizer05HAHA, great conf23:29
DocScrutinizer05that sounds better23:29
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: sure23:30
DocScrutinizer05actually /usr/share/policy/ kinda sounds right to me23:30
DocScrutinizer05WTF source = sink.null.monitor23:31
freemangordonbut I remember there was another file, with priorities :(23:31
freemangordonexe   = "osso_lmarbles"23:33
freemangordongroup = game23:33
DocScrutinizer05 CMON really now?23:33
DocScrutinizer05they look pretty identical, particularly considering how fdifferent they work23:34
freemangordoncheck the appropriate groups23:34
freemangordonvdv: If I were you, I'd edit xpolicy conf and add espeak there23:35
* DocScrutinizer05 starts puking right at
DocScrutinizer05vdv: if I were you, I'd search tmo for "espeak"23:36
DocScrutinizer05...check the solutions there23:36
DocScrutinizer05...come back here and ask freemangordon when none of the solutions works for you23:36
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: comeon, even marbles is there :D23:37
DocScrutinizer05I get headache trying to wrap my head around this gibberish23:37
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DocScrutinizer05too much martian logic in there23:38
DocScrutinizer05sinks sound like they should be sources, and vice versa. different profiles look identical despite working absolutely different. ASO23:39
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DocScrutinizer05type  = bta2dp23:41
DocScrutinizer05sink  = name@startswith:"bluez_sink"23:41
DocScrutinizer05good luck with REing that syntax/semantics23:41
DocScrutinizer05looks roundabout a magnitude worse than ALSA23:42
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DocScrutinizer05another nice one:23:44
DocScrutinizer05#exe     = hildon-home23:44
DocScrutinizer05property ="alarm-clock-elapsed"23:44
DocScrutinizer05group    = alarm23:44
DocScrutinizer05is #exe a comment now, or a valid syntactical active element23:45
DocScrutinizer05the former, according to #exe     = any app using libhildon23:45
sixwheeledbeastI also was wondering what commented out some values.23:45
DocScrutinizer05though.... X-P23:46
DocScrutinizer05maybe "any app using libhildon" is a valid syntax in this23:46
DocScrutinizer05property = media.role@equals:"dialog-question"23:47
DocScrutinizer05duck and cover!!23:48
DocScrutinizer05exe   = maemo-xinput-sounds23:48
DocScrutinizer05group = inputsound23:48
DocScrutinizer05name  = "output of"23:49
DocScrutinizer05group = internal23:50
* DocScrutinizer05 starts headdesking23:50
DocScrutinizer05name  = "Simultaneous output on ALSA PCM on hw:0 () via DMA"23:51
DocScrutinizer05group = internal23:51
DocScrutinizer05WTF now23:51
Ashley`you know youre pasting a lot of trailing whitespace, right? :s23:52
DocScrutinizer05this sounds semi-reasonable:23:52
DocScrutinizer05property = application.process.arg0@equals:"/usr/bin/Mahjong"23:52
DocScrutinizer05group    = game23:52
DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: yup, sorry, mc23:53
Ashley`what's that thing that those configs belong to?23:54
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vdvfreemangordon, should i edit /etc/pulse/xpolicy.conf directly?23:55
vdvand, where to put my new section for espeak?23:56
vdvfreemangordon, should i restart some service after editing? restart?23:56
DocScrutinizer05 this /etc/pulse/ gives away a *few* details at least, so it starts making sense to wonder23:58
DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: PukeAudio23:59

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