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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: sorry no modest dbus client on my system to use mdbus2 <tab> expansion to see what methods it offers | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mdbus2 -i | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tab works like on shell | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tab-tab lists all completions available | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though: MDBUS2> com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer [ERR]: No introspection data at object '/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer' | 00:17 |
| bencoh | how does mdbus work ? | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | python | 00:17 |
| bencoh | I mean, how does mdbus completion work ? | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and dbus | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | introspection | 00:17 |
| bencoh | oh, introspection, right | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every dbus object SHOULD have an introspection method. Alas several Nokia opbjects don't | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there been some "good" reason why they don't, some lib not supporting that or whatever | 00:19 |
| bencoh | and/or not willing to build with introspection support | 00:20 |
| bencoh | (perf impact ?) | 00:20 |
| bencoh | (complexity ?) | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, the tools they used forbid that, they claimed | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some framework that been used | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a few years since I asked a colabora or nokia dude why introspection missing | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since honestly, it sucks | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they agreed but had a somewhat plausible excuse | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl | 00:23 |
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| robbiethe1st | So... It's time. | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | To see if I can hack my N900s USB port back working again. And then fix my other N900's USB port. And finally a third N900's port | 04:41 |
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| robbiethe1st | YES! | 06:01 |
| robbiethe1st | I have just gotten a working USB connection on my N900 again. | 06:02 |
| robbiethe1st | My /original/ N900. | 06:02 |
| robbiethe1st | It's been 2 years, 9 months since it last worked. | 06:02 |
| bennis | congrats! | 06:03 |
| robbiethe1st | I swear, microUSB connections are way too tiny | 06:04 |
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| solofight | is there really a way to have encrypted home in n900 without really making my phone too sluggish ? | 10:24 |
| solofight | who ever wrote a manual talks about too many problems and workaronds like plausible deniability, error while mounting and stuff like this | 10:25 |
| solofight | i can setup once and had to giveit to somebody who will not know how to mount a partition | 10:25 |
| solofight | every time she gets that error | 10:26 |
| solofight | so the question is can i really make a device secure with truecrypt without any hardcore stuff required by end user - which will not render my phone ultra slow every time i open any applications ? | 10:26 |
| solofight | Is this trustable ? 206.253.166.96/N900/software/truecrypt/index2.html | 10:31 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 11:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | solo is a bit in a hurry it seems | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grr, now they start to send spam with UTF or even html-encoded subject lines | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which means that the insanity leaks into kmail's folder mail list view | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, Subject: PROM0TI0N =?GB2312?B?o9ej0qPJo9Oj1KPCo8GjzqPEo9M=?= | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | how many of you see strange char for 0x1B aka ESC aka | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aka 0x1B aka ESC. How many of you see a strange representation of this char or otherwise witness strange effects? | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on desktop primarily, but of course maemo is also under investigation | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/06/plasma-desktopC31889.png http://wstaw.org/m/2014/05/06/plasma-desktoph31889.png | 14:26 |
| freemangordon | ~rescueos | 14:26 |
| infobot | methinks rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | libreoffice spreadsheet for example doesn't show the tripleheight } when I insert it into a cell, but it knows about the height when I let it adjust cell height to "optimum" | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Konversation acts quite funny when that 0x1B got inserted from clipboard to text input field | 14:30 |
| r00t^d430 | my xchat2 seems to be displaying lots of spaces for your lines there | 14:30 |
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| Guest98823 | mine does as well | 14:43 |
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| useretail | DocScrutinizer05: i see it | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems all (KDElib-based?) apps have funny ideas when you add a 0x1B ESC char somewhere | 15:56 |
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| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 explain? | 16:01 |
| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 or more: elaborate | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: | 16:02 |
| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 what do KDElib-based apps then? | 16:04 |
| erlehmann | what do they do? | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, copy&paste the giant "}" above, if you see it in your Konversation IRC clinet, and paste it to the text input field. Then type a few more chars to that field. Enjoy | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the double meaning of 0x1B as non-printable ESC control char and some printable representation probably based on UTF-8 messup will result in quite surprising results | 16:53 |
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| kerio | IRC has no well-defined encoding anyway | 17:25 |
| kerio | but if you don't use UTF8, fuck you | 17:26 |
| erlehmann | what kerio says | 17:26 |
| erlehmann | i hate the xchat/mirc „send latin-1 sometimes and utf-8 some other time“ with a passion | 17:26 |
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| kerio | apart for microsoft comic chat | 17:29 |
| merlin1991 | hm utf8 0x1b lookes nothing like what doc posted | 17:29 |
| merlin1991 | at least if I can trust the input area of this qt4 irc client on windows | 17:30 |
| kerio | kde | 17:30 |
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| erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 i only see the symbol for the escape character | 17:32 |
| erlehmann | this one: ␛ | 17:33 |
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| merlin1991 | wtf when I take the caracter to the clipboard it ends up as 0x90 0x9B | 17:35 |
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| merlin1991 | hm seems like the handling of quassel is derp here | 17:39 |
| merlin1991 | when I go into the logs it is saved as \x1B but it isn't displayed properly here | 17:39 |
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| merlin1991 | hm actually it looks like the clipboard is at fault here | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | erlehmann: that's what I'd expect to see as well, yes | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ␛ = U+241B however | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is U+001b, in konversation you can search for U+001b in "insert special char" | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xchat should be safe I guess, it had its fair share of messing up by special chars a while ago | 19:20 |
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| Maxdamantus | 90 9b = 1001000 10011011 = U+(2^10 + 27) = U+41B, I think. | 19:34 |
| Maxdamantus | er, nvm, missed a 0 | 19:35 |
| Maxdamantus | 90 9b = 10010000 10011011 = U+(2^11 + 27) = U+81B O_o | 19:36 |
| Maxdamantus | No, miscounted and got it right the first time. | 19:38 |
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| Maxdamantus | Oh, that's not actually a valid UTF-8 sequence .. U+241B is that with e2 at the beginning. | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | U+909b = 邛 | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ␛ is e2909b according to od -x | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> od -x | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ␛␛␛␛␛␛ | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0000000 90e2 e29b 9b90 90e2 e29b 9b90 90e2 e29b | 19:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 doesn't grok that UTF8 stuff | 19:54 | |
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| vdv | hi | 22:19 |
| vdv | on my n900, if standard music player plays a song, and i run espeak simultaneously, i hear no sound from espeak | 22:20 |
| vdv | more specific problem: navit sound conflicts with player | 22:20 |
| vdv | how can i workaround that? | 22:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: this is a collision of audio output used by espeak vs the usual PA-based audio on maemo. "There's a thread for it" on tmo, you might be able to spot it via searching | 22:54 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, as workaround written small script to pause media player, execute espeak and resume player again | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good to me | 22:55 |
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| vdv | but not sure whether it's 100% reliable | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly don't want to mix whatever espeak got to say with loud MP3 music anyway ;-) | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: well, you probably first should check if mediaplayer resp mafw is actually playing media, store the current state, and restore that state later on. So you don't unpause an already paused playback after espeak finishes its thing | 22:57 |
| vdv | that too | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you might want to make that restore-state a cleanup procedure called via `trap cleanup ONEXIT` | 22:58 |
| vdv | but i mean, maybe resources are not always freed for espeak on pause | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that too, you should pasue a maybe 500ms, then check if resources are available. If espeak doesn't throw error when they are not, anyway, in which case testing doesn't make much sense. The cleanup will run no matter what, on EXIT | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well from a quick test, stock MP ignores espeak. OMP merges espeak at the same volume. | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you loop in a "busy" (sleep 0.5) loop, testing for resources free until either success or a counter expired | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on counter expired you `exit 5` (which calls cleanup), on success you proceed to espeak and then exit 0 | 23:02 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, sounds good | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | up to you to make that a sleep 0.1 (beware, messybox doesn't know sub-second sleep), and to set expiry counter to anything you deem acceptable | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT do busy loop *without* any delay/sleep | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is a guarantueed killer | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also do not loop infinitely (without expiry counter) this will eventually give you severe headache | 23:06 |
| bencoh | we should crucify those who do | 23:06 |
| bencoh | (and expose their flesh to the public) | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi sixwheeledbeast | 23:08 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: do you recall what's been the tale around espeak for modrana(?) guidance? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall they had the same problem back when with it | 23:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmmm, no I have not | 23:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~seen M4rtinK | 23:10 |
| infobot | m4rtink <~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 7h 55m 31s ago, saying: 'the ultimate IDLE RPG channel'. | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another one that comes to mind is "speak number calling" | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh right, m4artin | 23:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have an issue with SMM10 that is talks over everything including the phone :) | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SMM10? | 23:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sygic | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never touched it | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly using playsound ? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think playsound does brute force | 23:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I guess so, maybe this could be a solution to above issue? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and now that I come to think about it, espeak|playsound or sth like that might have been one of the solutions back when | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | took a while to type this | 23:13 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, tested a little with running navit and playing media player, seems to work correctly for now | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | espeak per default using ESD? :-S | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not ElectroStatic Discharge but enlightenment sound daemon | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:15 |
| vdv | espeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho "$text" | mbrola -v 1.5 -e de7 - -.raw | pacat --channels=1 --rate=22050 --format=s16le --volume=65536 | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, pacat | 23:15 |
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| vdv | aha | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever mbrola might be | 23:15 |
| vdv | it's offical binary for arm | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | search tmo for espeak, some of the first 100 hits should be yours ;-) | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, espeak is espeak, no matter who's invoking it | 23:17 |
| vdv | are there any other issues with it? | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really, afaik | 23:17 |
| vdv | you suggest to search | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a bit of niceness tuning needed | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: every"body" using espeak is running into your issues | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what's the top app | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | I guess it is an alsa policy thing. or PA policy. -> ohmd :) | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | app using espeak, thus seeing your problems | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: sure, in the end it is | 23:19 |
| vdv | i know how to pause/resume media player, how can check the current state? | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhm | 23:19 |
| freemangordon | vdv: it is not the correct way to do it | 23:19 |
| vdv | dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.renderer.pause | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replace the .pause by .getstate or sth in your dbus call? | 23:20 |
| vdv | freemangordon, with dbus call not? | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | somewhere in /etc/(osso?) there should be a definition of priorities and mixin | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | *mixing | 23:20 |
| vdv | ah | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 23:20 |
| infobot | phonecontrol is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | you can include your application there and assign the correct priority. Though I can;t give you details (simply don;t know them) | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: omg, you wanna define a new policy for it? | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | sure, why not? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because you're not the only one who doesn't know details ;-P | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | well, maybe it is about time someone to discover how this should be done :P | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the big white void on maemo map | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of the many | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | terra incognita | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those who wandered there kept their knowledge and took it with them | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or I hadn't been invited to the party where they told their stories | 23:24 |
| vdv | )) | 23:24 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, .getState or .state doesn't work in dbus call | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, isn't that what pali RE'ed in LISP? PROLOG? UGHUGH? | 23:25 |
| bencoh | they'd have killed you afterwards anyway | 23:25 |
| bencoh | haha | 23:25 |
| freemangordon | well, I remember there was some config file in /etc. and it was not complicated. just that I can't find it now :( | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh ooogh ugh ugh ooog ooog ugh | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or was it whitespace? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: see | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 23:27 |
| infobot | rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it has sth for you | 23:27 |
| vdv | i think it's get_status | 23:27 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, get_status is not listed there | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guessed | 23:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | /etc/pulse maybe? | 23:27 |
| freemangordon | yep | 23:27 |
| freemangordon | xpolicy.conf | 23:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | client.conf | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 23:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | xpolicy is a symlink to /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/pulse/client.conf | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | autospawn = no | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disable-shm = yes | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA, great conf | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that sounds better | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: sure | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually /usr/share/policy/ kinda sounds right to me | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF source = sink.null.monitor | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | but I remember there was another file, with priorities :( | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | omg: | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | [stream] | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | exe = "osso_lmarbles" | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | group = game | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/cec4b11848 CMON really now? | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they look pretty identical, particularly considering how fdifferent they work | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | check the appropriate groups | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | vdv: If I were you, I'd edit xpolicy conf and add espeak there | 23:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 starts puking right at http://privatepaste.com/ad91af2701 | 23:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: if I were you, I'd search tmo for "espeak" | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...check the solutions there | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...come back here and ask freemangordon when none of the solutions works for you | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 23:36 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: comeon, even marbles is there :D | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I get headache trying to wrap my head around this gibberish | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | too much martian logic in there | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sinks sound like they should be sources, and vice versa. different profiles look identical despite working absolutely different. ASO | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [device] | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | type = bta2dp | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sink = name@startswith:"bluez_sink" | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAAAH! | 23:41 |
| bencoh | ewww | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck with REing that syntax/semantics | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks roundabout a magnitude worse than ALSA | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | another nice one: | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [stream] | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #exe = hildon-home | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | property = event.id@equals:"alarm-clock-elapsed" | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | group = alarm | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is #exe a comment now, or a valid syntactical active element | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the former, according to #exe = any app using libhildon | 23:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I also was wondering what commented out some values. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though.... X-P | 23:46 |
| bencoh | oO | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe "any app using libhildon" is a valid syntax in this | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:46 |
| bencoh | nowaynowaynoway | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | property = media.role@equals:"dialog-question" | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duck and cover!! | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [stream] | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exe = maemo-xinput-sounds | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | group = inputsound | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [stream] | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | name = "output of sink.music" | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | group = internal | 23:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 starts headdesking | 23:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [stream] | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | name = "Simultaneous output on ALSA PCM on hw:0 () via DMA" | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | group = internal | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF now | 23:51 |
| Ashley` | you know youre pasting a lot of trailing whitespace, right? :s | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this sounds semi-reasonable: | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [stream] | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | property = application.process.arg0@equals:"/usr/bin/Mahjong" | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | group = game | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: yup, sorry, mc | 23:53 |
| Ashley` | what's that thing that those configs belong to? | 23:54 |
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| vdv | freemangordon, should i edit /etc/pulse/xpolicy.conf directly? | 23:55 |
| vdv | and, where to put my new section for espeak? | 23:56 |
| vdv | freemangordon, should i restart some service after editing? restart? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this /etc/pulse/system.pa gives away a *few* details at least, so it starts making sense to wonder | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: PukeAudio | 23:59 |
| Ashley` | lol | 23:59 |
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