IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2014-05-07

vdvhmm.. too complicated00:00
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DocScrutinizer05well, at least it seems /etc/pulse/ is kinda "standard" (though I never heard of it since I avoid touching Polypaudio by all means). So odds are it *might* have a manpage or sth00:05
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DocScrutinizer05fsck PA00:05
DocScrutinizer05### Sink for playing ringtones to both IHF and BT/HSP00:07
DocScrutinizer05load-module module-combine sink_name=sink.hw0andhw1 slaves=sink.hw0,sink.hw1 slave_amps=0,-28 resample_method=trivial adjust_time=100:07
DocScrutinizer05so much for PA's awesome capability to hotplug/switch audio sinks00:07
DocScrutinizer05vdv: something for you ;-D  -->00:08
DocScrutinizer05.ifexists module-esound-protocol-unix.so00:08
DocScrutinizer05load-module module-esound-protocol-unix00:08
vdvit's in and commented?00:09
DocScrutinizer05not commented, but yup there00:09
vdvand what i should do?00:09
vdvmove it to xpolicy?00:10
DocScrutinizer05HAHA! load-module module-policy-enforcement null_sink_name=sink.null00:10
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DocScrutinizer05vdv: I have no clue, but it sounds like a module that's optional and would collaborate with espeak when loaded00:11
DocScrutinizer05so I'd suggest to see how to talk to friggin PA nad them make sure this module gets loaded00:11
DocScrutinizer05but honestly, I do NOT recommend/suggest to bother about any of that stuff. Others used espeak before you00:12
vdvwhich search term to use?00:12
vdvespeak esd00:13
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DocScrutinizer05I *love* the name - always read that as audidiots00:17
DocScrutinizer05can't help it00:17
RiDit wasted destined to be00:19
RiD...typos. I give up.00:19
DocScrutinizer05vdv: anyway I'd think if you *really* want to look into this stuff, the file /etc/pulse/x-maemo-match.table and the .desktop X-MAEMO-??????? properties might be worth it giving it a thought00:21
DocScrutinizer05I haven't wrapped my head around it completely yet, but it kinda looks promising00:22
vdvthat file has only 5 lines00:24
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DocScrutinizer05yes, but it somewhat defines a process and the role it should have, and does so only for processes that don't come with a .desktop file00:25
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DocScrutinizer05and that X-MAEMO is an element typically found in .desktop00:26
DocScrutinizer05the last line ". x-maemo" sounds kinda intriguing00:27
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wjthi, I want to allow someone to take over my package: . Is there anything I have to do to grant them permission to upload?00:27
DocScrutinizer05or rather promising00:27
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DocScrutinizer05err, I think you can do that via admin on the page00:27
wjton which page?00:28
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wjt(the word "admin" does not appear on that page)00:29
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DocScrutinizer05I think the one who wants admin right needs to click "Request to be maintainer of this package"00:29
wjtah, on that page?00:30
DocScrutinizer05this might send an email to you, asking you to click another link to grant00:30
DocScrutinizer05I never did it, so this is all wild guessing00:30
wjtok :)00:30
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DocScrutinizer05I know I received messages about approving such requests in my role as admin of garage, when I been00:31
DocScrutinizer05dunno if you can see that page and what it looks like for you00:32
DocScrutinizer05or if you need to use a slightly different URL00:32
DocScrutinizer05if you fail, ping me and I'll approve it for you00:33
wjtokay, this sounds plausible. I have no pending maintainer requests but I have asked the new-maintainer-to-be to request to be added00:33
wjtmany thanks!00:33
DocScrutinizer05who's Grzegorz Gidel00:35
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vdvhow can i "reset" sound card ?00:45
vdvi.e. kill resources that use it?00:46
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vdvDocScrutinizer05, dbus pause call to media player doesn't free dsp device00:47
DocScrutinizer05you're not supposed to "free dsp device"00:48
vdvsimply didn't know how to figure it out correctly00:48
DocScrutinizer05you're supposed to use a proper PukeAudio sink that mixes in to the stream PA already created to the soundcard00:48
vdvpressing pause button in media player "ends" that stream00:49
DocScrutinizer05using audiocard (aka DSP) directly is what esd aka esound(?) does00:49
vdvdbus call not00:49
DocScrutinizer05wow, there's a function difference between GUI and dbus? that's BAD[TM]00:50
DocScrutinizer05though it's irrelevant for you00:50
vdvi'm still trying to get old approach to work00:51
vdvpause, espeak, resume00:51
DocScrutinizer05use playsound or whatever, instead of espeak audio output00:51
DocScrutinizer05pacat prolly also doesn'T work the way you suspect it should00:51
vdvcan play-sound read from stdin?00:52
DocScrutinizer05yes, afaik it can00:52
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DocScrutinizer05otherwise just create a pipe00:52
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DocScrutinizer05what's been the syntax? sth like play-sound <$(espeak foo bar); ?00:53
vdvfound this: espeak -v de --stdout "Hallo Welt" |gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert!autoaudiosink00:54
vdvwith gstreamer-tools00:54
DocScrutinizer05check tmo threads, the solution is there, _somewhere_00:54
vdveasy to say )00:54
DocScrutinizer05sounds good00:54
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DocScrutinizer05xes_ to the rescue!
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vdvgst-launch doesn't work with following call: espeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho  "Ich liebe dich"  | mbrola -v 1.5 -e /home/user/MyDocs/voices/de7 -  | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink01:02
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vdvDocScrutinizer05, with -q --pho flags of espeak01:02
sixwheeledbeast DocScrutinizer05: Grzegorz Gidel is gidzzz aka OMP maintainer.01:03
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: thanks01:05
DocScrutinizer05vdv: you might need to escape the \! ?01:05
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: he will wish to maintain them packages as he also looks after pidgin for maemo01:06
sixwheeledbeastcurrently he is only approved maintainer for pidgin main package and not the rest.01:08
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DocScrutinizer05 <-espeak-caller python script01:17
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: you suggest to approve all his maintainer requests?01:18
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xes_hi DocScrutinizer05! The command line i saved in the espeak  archive was a script called --> espeak -v mb-it4 -s 130 -p 60 -g 2 "$@"03:03
xes_this was enough to use the N900 to read any text argument passed to the script03:05
xes_now i should check/remember the exact folders setup to make it work in a proper way03:06
xes_i have everything in /opt/espeak/data/mbrola   and  /opt/espeak/data/mbrola_ph  with a symbolik link:  /usr/share/mbrola -> /opt/espeak/data/mbrola   ..and the mbrola binary in /usr/bin. Done03:14
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xes_Then try:  espeak -v mb-it4 -s 130 -p 60 -g 2 "Buonanotte maemo"       and you should ear the synthetized voice from the N900. The quality is pretty good, but you can adjust the speed to match your preferences03:18
xes_if you obtain a strange error like "mbrola: Binary number format error"    Check the paths, mbrola can't find the files (for my example you need the file:  /usr/share/mbrola/it4/it4 )03:20
DocScrutinizer05xes_: the probvlem seems to be that a started mediaplayer occupies the soundcard resource, making espeak blow chunks03:22
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DocScrutinizer05and I'm pretty sure I seen sth like espeak --foo --bar -D stdout | play-sound --  or sth like that03:24
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xes_have you tried this?   espeak -v en --stdout "Hello world" | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink03:30
xes_^anyway,  fixing espeak mbrola parameters03:31
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xes_then, there is also the gst-plugins-espeak:  that builds (and works) without problems into maemo03:45
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DocScrutinizer05[2014-05-07 Wed 00:02:13] <vdv> gst-launch doesn't work with following call: espeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho  "Ich liebe dich"  | mbrola -v 1.5 -e /home/user/MyDocs/voices/de7 -  | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink04:06
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xes_espeak > 1.44 has already support for mbrola (if available in system paths) so you don't need to pipe to mbrola (afaik)04:11
xes_probably the right way to manage things is using libplayback:
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: I am not sure about the top two but definitely the others will be fine.09:55
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^ ?16:38
DocScrutinizer05  <DocScrutinizer05> who's Grzegorz Gidel   <sixwheeledbeast>  DocScrutinizer05: Grzegorz Gidel is gidzzz aka OMP maintainer.16:40
DocScrutinizer05<sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: he will wish to maintain them packages as he also looks after pidgin for maemo  . currently he is only approved maintainer for pidgin main package and not the rest.  <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: you suggest to approve all his maintainer requests?16:41
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merlin1991ah since he's maintainer of the main one I'll approve the rest, they all build from the same source16:42
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DocScrutinizer05thanks for joining, infobot17:13
infobotDocScrutinizer05: sure thing17:13
DocScrutinizer05FSCK!!!!! just received the invoice for domain for next year17:18
DocScrutinizer05"paid till 31.3.2015"17:19
DocScrutinizer05another 15 bucks HiFo will never refund me17:21
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DocScrutinizer05ooops, and I forgot meeting yesterday17:24
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sixwheeledbeastAh, gidzzz's maintainer requests sorted. Thanks. I have not had chance to find out who the other two requests are from.18:08
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DocScrutinizer05seems Nokia again is on a crusade to tear down everything with 'maemo' in the name. Please everybody who cares do backups of stuff like and of course of all the base repos20:21
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DocScrutinizer05since a coupkle of weeks they announced to expect having finalized the sellout of Nokia to M$ until end of April, this doesn't really come by surprise20:23
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DocScrutinizer05a couple of*20:23
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lufuWhat made you notice their crusade?20:29
DocScrutinizer05a question from HiFo20:30
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DocScrutinizer05seems some pretty clueless dudes in M$okia think they can "shut down" I suspect lawyers being the main protagonists behind all that20:33
lufuI see.20:34
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lufuDid you actually manage to take a time off? :o20:34
DocScrutinizer05they are supposed to sift through the Nokia assets heritage and clean up all ballast20:35
DocScrutinizer05alas not20:35
DocScrutinizer05I guess it needs some accident or whatever to make me take such time off20:36
lufuYeah, they probably assume that everything that mentions maemo is theirs.20:37
DocScrutinizer05lawyers :-x20:37
lufuToo bad, I was hoping that would work out, since you seem to work pretty much 24/7 and that can't be good. :o20:38
DocScrutinizer05anyway odds are the lawyers tell a trainee "discontinue resp shut down please!" and that poor dude doesn't know better than just deleting everything from gitorious he finds there and has administration permissions to20:39
DocScrutinizer05and that gives some perspective on the future of we got to anticipate20:40
DocScrutinizer05unlike gitorious they are well capable to shut down that stuff in a blink of the eye20:41
DocScrutinizer05well, I'm not sure if they are really capable - I witnessed some situations that suggest they might not be - but for sure they have the power and they own that stuff and thus are in control of it, even when they maybe lack experts to actually execute such control20:43
DocScrutinizer05once they found the server room they always can pull the plugs20:44
DocScrutinizer05and "they" quite easily could be some technicians M$ sent to ex-Nokia Oy to cleanup and do the move20:46
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DocScrutinizer05If HiFo was a skilled negotiator, they had offered a contract to Nokia (during the time Nokia still existed) to take over *all* maemo related stuff and take 100% responsibility to not deploy any proprietary stuff they are not legally allowed to (e.g. adobe's flash plugin, TI's PVR lib)20:49
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DocScrutinizer05Nokia lawyers should've been grateful for getting rid of all the responsibility and probably had accepted that agreement20:50
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DocScrutinizer05with a fund of 1GBP HiFo could've established a British Limited (or with 1, actually maybe 300 EUR, the german analogy, a UG/GmbH) and thus any excessive risks from such agreement to HiFo could have limited and handled by such commercial entity20:54
DocScrutinizer05I actually think Nokia hoped for something like this, a maybe 18 months back20:56
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lufuDidn't HiFo think of that or why didn't that happen?21:15
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DocScrutinizer05I don't know21:19
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DocScrutinizer05lufu: (24/7) I'm afraid I meanwhile got addicted to it21:21
DocScrutinizer05and of course the stuff on my plate would suffice for 48/721:23
DocScrutinizer05beter busy than bored21:23
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lufuSure, I just hope you notice it before it becomes too much.21:30
DocScrutinizer05seems I somehow do. when it actually already became too much21:31
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lufuWas it at that point possible to reduce/delegate the workload?21:32
DocScrutinizer05but I'm about to actively reduce the number of topics I have to care about21:32
lufuI mean, you are doing such a great work, it would be... well heartbreaking if you would damage yourself in the whole process.21:33
DocScrutinizer05e.g. I stepped down from maemo management coordination, and a few more weeks and I'm also rid of council21:33
lufuI see, I hope that helps.21:34
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, it does. Though effect taken slowly21:35
DocScrutinizer05but things start to normalize21:35
DocScrutinizer05and many thanks for your concerns regarding my health :)21:36
lufuMhm, sounds good.  I hope that's enough but your are the only one that appraise that.21:36
lufuSure thing! ;o21:38
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