| vdv | hmm.. too complicated | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, at least it seems /etc/pulse/system.pa is kinda "standard" (though I never heard of it since I avoid touching Polypaudio by all means). So odds are it *might* have a manpage or sth | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck PA | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL!! | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ### Sink for playing ringtones to both IHF and BT/HSP | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | load-module module-combine sink_name=sink.hw0andhw1 slaves=sink.hw0,sink.hw1 slave_amps=0,-28 resample_method=trivial adjust_time=1 | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so much for PA's awesome capability to hotplug/switch audio sinks | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: something for you ;-D --> | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .ifexists module-esound-protocol-unix.so | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | load-module module-esound-protocol-unix | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .endif | 00:08 |
| vdv | it's in system.pa and commented? | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not commented, but yup there | 00:09 |
| vdv | and what i should do? | 00:09 |
| vdv | move it to xpolicy? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA! load-module module-policy-enforcement null_sink_name=sink.null | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: I have no clue, but it sounds like a module that's optional and would collaborate with espeak when loaded | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I'd suggest to see how to talk to friggin PA nad them make sure this module gets loaded | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, I do NOT recommend/suggest to bother about any of that stuff. Others used espeak before you | 00:12 |
| vdv | which search term to use? | 00:12 |
| vdv | espeak esd | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I *love* the name module-nokia-audiots.so - always read that as audidiots | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't help it | 00:17 |
| RiD | it wasted destined to be | 00:19 |
| RiD | ...typos. I give up. | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: anyway I'd think if you *really* want to look into this stuff, the file /etc/pulse/x-maemo-match.table and the .desktop X-MAEMO-??????? properties might be worth it giving it a thought | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't wrapped my head around it completely yet, but it kinda looks promising | 00:22 |
| vdv | that file has only 5 lines | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but it somewhat defines a process and the role it should have, and does so only for processes that don't come with a .desktop file | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and that X-MAEMO is an element typically found in .desktop | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the last line ". x-maemo" sounds kinda intriguing | 00:27 |
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| wjt | hi, I want to allow someone to take over my package: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sojourner/ . Is there anything I have to do to grant them permission to upload? | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather promising | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, I think you can do that via admin on the page | 00:27 |
| wjt | on which page? | 00:28 |
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| wjt | (the word "admin" does not appear on that page) | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the one who wants admin right needs to click "Request to be maintainer of this package" | 00:29 |
| wjt | ah, on that page? | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this might send an email to you, asking you to click another link to grant | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never did it, so this is all wild guessing | 00:30 |
| wjt | ok :) | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I know I received messages about approving such requests in my role as admin of garage, when I been | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if you can see that page and what it looks like for you | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or if you need to use a slightly different URL | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you fail, ping me and I'll approve it for you | 00:33 |
| wjt | okay, this sounds plausible. I have no pending maintainer requests but I have asked the new-maintainer-to-be to request to be added | 00:33 |
| wjt | many thanks! | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's Grzegorz Gidel | 00:35 |
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| vdv | how can i "reset" sound card ? | 00:45 |
| vdv | i.e. kill resources that use it? | 00:46 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, dbus pause call to media player doesn't free dsp device | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're not supposed to "free dsp device" | 00:48 |
| vdv | simply didn't know how to figure it out correctly | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're supposed to use a proper PukeAudio sink that mixes in to the stream PA already created to the soundcard | 00:48 |
| vdv | pressing pause button in media player "ends" that stream | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | using audiocard (aka DSP) directly is what esd aka esound(?) does | 00:49 |
| vdv | dbus call not | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deprecated | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, there's a function difference between GUI and dbus? that's BAD[TM] | 00:50 |
| vdv | yep | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though it's irrelevant for you | 00:50 |
| vdv | i'm still trying to get old approach to work | 00:51 |
| vdv | pause, espeak, resume | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use playsound or whatever, instead of espeak audio output | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pacat prolly also doesn'T work the way you suspect it should | 00:51 |
| vdv | can play-sound read from stdin? | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, afaik it can | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise just create a pipe | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what's been the syntax? sth like play-sound <$(espeak foo bar); ? | 00:53 |
| vdv | found this: espeak -v de --stdout "Hallo Welt" |gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert!autoaudiosink | 00:54 |
| vdv | with gstreamer-tools | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check tmo threads, the solution is there, _somewhere_ | 00:54 |
| vdv | easy to say ) | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes_ to the rescue! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1150178#post1150178 | 00:58 |
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| vdv | gst-launch doesn't work with following call: espeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho "Ich liebe dich" | mbrola -v 1.5 -e /home/user/MyDocs/voices/de7 - | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink | 01:02 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, with -q --pho flags of espeak | 01:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: Grzegorz Gidel is gidzzz aka OMP maintainer. | 01:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | AFAIL | 01:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | K | 01:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | doh | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: thanks | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: you might need to escape the \! ? | 01:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: he will wish to maintain them packages as he also looks after pidgin for maemo | 01:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | currently he is only approved maintainer for pidgin main package and not the rest. | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=577660&highlight=xpolicy.conf#post577660 <-espeak-caller python script | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you suggest to approve all his maintainer requests? | 01:18 |
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| xes_ | hi DocScrutinizer05! The command line i saved in the espeak archive was a script called readme.sh --> espeak -v mb-it4 -s 130 -p 60 -g 2 "$@" | 03:03 |
| xes_ | this was enough to use the N900 to read any text argument passed to the script | 03:05 |
| xes_ | now i should check/remember the exact folders setup to make it work in a proper way | 03:06 |
| xes_ | i have everything in /opt/espeak/data/mbrola and /opt/espeak/data/mbrola_ph with a symbolik link: /usr/share/mbrola -> /opt/espeak/data/mbrola ..and the mbrola binary in /usr/bin. Done | 03:14 |
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| xes_ | Then try: espeak -v mb-it4 -s 130 -p 60 -g 2 "Buonanotte maemo" and you should ear the synthetized voice from the N900. The quality is pretty good, but you can adjust the speed to match your preferences | 03:18 |
| xes_ | if you obtain a strange error like "mbrola: Binary number format error" Check the paths, mbrola can't find the files (for my example you need the file: /usr/share/mbrola/it4/it4 ) | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes_: the probvlem seems to be that a started mediaplayer occupies the soundcard resource, making espeak blow chunks | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm pretty sure I seen sth like espeak --foo --bar -D stdout | play-sound -- or sth like that | 03:24 |
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| xes_ | have you tried this? espeak -v en --stdout "Hello world" | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink | 03:30 |
| xes_ | ^anyway, fixing espeak mbrola parameters | 03:31 |
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| xes_ | then, there is also the gst-plugins-espeak: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/gst-plugins-espeak/gst-plugins-espeak-0.3.5.tar.gz that builds (and works) without problems into maemo | 03:45 |
| xes_ | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/gst-plugins-espeak | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cool | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-05-07 Wed 00:02:13] <vdv> gst-launch doesn't work with following call: espeak -s 150 -p 65 -v mb-de7 -q --pho "Ich liebe dich" | mbrola -v 1.5 -e /home/user/MyDocs/voices/de7 - | gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink | 04:06 |
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| xes_ | espeak > 1.44 has already support for mbrola (if available in system paths) so you don't need to pipe to mbrola (afaik) | 04:11 |
| xes_ | probably the right way to manage things is using libplayback: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67157 | 04:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: I am not sure about the top two but definitely the others will be fine. | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ ? | 16:38 |
| merlin1991 | hm? | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/pending/ <DocScrutinizer05> who's Grzegorz Gidel <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: Grzegorz Gidel is gidzzz aka OMP maintainer. | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | <sixwheeledbeast> DocScrutinizer05: he will wish to maintain them packages as he also looks after pidgin for maemo . currently he is only approved maintainer for pidgin main package and not the rest. <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: you suggest to approve all his maintainer requests? | 16:41 |
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| merlin1991 | ah since he's maintainer of the main one I'll approve the rest, they all build from the same source | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 16:45 |
| merlin1991 | done | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nooooo | 16:49 |
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| merlin1991 | what? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot | 16:49 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 16:49 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 humms "the rise of the robots" | 16:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP3s927iq5M | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for joining, infobot | 17:13 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: sure thing | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FSCK!!!!! just received the invoice for scratchbox.org domain for next year | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "paid till 31.3.2015" | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another 15 bucks HiFo will never refund me | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooops, and I forgot meeting yesterday | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! | 17:26 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Ah, gidzzz's maintainer requests sorted. Thanks. I have not had chance to find out who the other two requests are from. | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems Nokia again is on a crusade to tear down everything with 'maemo' in the name. Please everybody who cares do backups of stuff like maemo.gtorious.org and of course of all the base repos | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since a coupkle of weeks they announced to expect having finalized the sellout of Nokia to M$ until end of April, this doesn't really come by surprise | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a couple of* | 20:23 |
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| lufu | What made you notice their crusade? | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a question from HiFo | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems some pretty clueless dudes in M$okia think they can "shut down" maemo.gitorious.org. I suspect lawyers being the main protagonists behind all that | 20:33 |
| lufu | I see. | 20:34 |
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| lufu | Did you actually manage to take a time off? :o | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are supposed to sift through the Nokia assets heritage and clean up all ballast | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas not | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it needs some accident or whatever to make me take such time off | 20:36 |
| lufu | Yeah, they probably assume that everything that mentions maemo is theirs. | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lawyers :-x | 20:37 |
| lufu | Too bad, I was hoping that would work out, since you seem to work pretty much 24/7 and that can't be good. :o | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway odds are the lawyers tell a trainee "discontinue resp shut down maemo.gitorious.org please!" and that poor dude doesn't know better than just deleting everything from gitorious he finds there and has administration permissions to | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that gives some perspective on the future of maemo.nokia.com we got to anticipate | 20:40 |
| lufu | Mhm. | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike gitorious they are well capable to shut down that stuff in a blink of the eye | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm not sure if they are really capable - I witnessed some situations that suggest they might not be - but for sure they have the power and they own that stuff and thus are in control of it, even when they maybe lack experts to actually execute such control | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once they found the server room they always can pull the plugs | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and "they" quite easily could be some technicians M$ sent to ex-Nokia Oy to cleanup and do the move | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | If HiFo was a skilled negotiator, they had offered a contract to Nokia (during the time Nokia still existed) to take over *all* maemo related stuff and take 100% responsibility to not deploy any proprietary stuff they are not legally allowed to (e.g. adobe's flash plugin, TI's PVR lib) | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia lawyers should've been grateful for getting rid of all the responsibility and probably had accepted that agreement | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with a fund of 1GBP HiFo could've established a British Limited (or with 1, actually maybe 300 EUR, the german analogy, a UG/GmbH) and thus any excessive risks from such agreement to HiFo could have limited and handled by such commercial entity | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually think Nokia hoped for something like this, a maybe 18 months back | 20:56 |
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| lufu | Didn't HiFo think of that or why didn't that happen? | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lufu: (24/7) I'm afraid I meanwhile got addicted to it | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course the stuff on my plate would suffice for 48/7 | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beter busy than bored | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better* | 21:23 |
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| lufu | Sure, I just hope you notice it before it becomes too much. | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems I somehow do. when it actually already became too much | 21:31 |
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| lufu | Was it at that point possible to reduce/delegate the workload? | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm about to actively reduce the number of topics I have to care about | 21:32 |
| lufu | I mean, you are doing such a great work, it would be... well heartbreaking if you would damage yourself in the whole process. | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. I stepped down from maemo management coordination, and a few more weeks and I'm also rid of council | 21:33 |
| lufu | I see, I hope that helps. | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it does. Though effect taken slowly | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but things start to normalize | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and many thanks for your concerns regarding my health :) | 21:36 |
| lufu | Mhm, sounds good. I hope that's enough but your are the only one that appraise that. | 21:36 |
| lufu | Sure thing! ;o | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpf | 21:56 |
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