IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2014-04-28

DocScrutinizer05hi merlin199100:01
DocScrutinizer05would you agree on my rationale that all SDK libs should come via nokia base repos?00:01
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freemangordonmerlin1991: i moved a couple of packages to /home/fmg/2704201400:01
DocScrutinizer05damn you! 2014042700:01
freemangordondammit, we're in europe and I am in bulgaria :P00:03
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DocScrutinizer05well, almost00:04
infobotIt is now 2014.04.27 21:05:11 GMT00:05
DocScrutinizer05sooo close00:05
DocScrutinizer05~wiki Iso860100:09
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'ISO 8601' "Data elements and interchange formats – Information interchange – Representation of dates and times" is an international standard covering the exchange of date and time-related data. It was issued by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and was first published in 1988. The purpose of this standard is to provide an unambiguous and well-defined method ...00:09
DocScrutinizer05~iso 860100:09
merlin1991hm this libslang2 is foobar00:09
DocScrutinizer05anyway >>Date and time values are ordered from the most to the least significant: year, month (or week), day, hour, minute, second, and fraction of second. The lexicographical order of the representation thus corresponds to chronological order, except for date representations involving negative years. This allows dates to be naturally sorted by, for example, file systems.<<00:11
freemangordonmerlin1991: hmm?00:11
merlin1991looks like parts of are offline (apt-get update fails for one of the 2 repos there)00:13
freemangordonmerlin1991: WFM00:17
merlin1991freemangordon: true00:18
merlin1991my apt foo isn't was it was anymore00:18
freemangordonshame on you00:19
freemangordonseems like harm had spoiled you :)00:19
merlin1991I've been knee deep in enterprise soap webservies (and SAP) for the past month, that can do bad things to a human being00:19
freemangordonmerlin1991: so, what do you mean by saying that libslang2 is foobar?00:22
merlin1991that I'm still looking into it :)00:22
* merlin1991 wonder what sense the freaking "tools" repo made at any point00:22
DocScrutinizer05((parts of are offline)) wouldn't come by surprise though, eh?00:22
DocScrutinizer05not like we just discussed exactly that in admin channel00:23
freemangordonits on merlin1991's side this time :)00:23
DocScrutinizer05not like I mentioned it a few days ago already, when Nokia announced the sale to M$ got finalized00:24
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DocScrutinizer05not like I'm asking what's HiFo's *real* progress on the issue since Dec 201300:24
DocScrutinizer05not that the whole war in maemo organizational entities during last few months had anything to do with all that00:26
DocScrutinizer05honestly, what's HiFo's plans when it comes to this?00:27
bencohhmm, dont we at least have a mirror somewhere ?00:28
DocScrutinizer05ooh wait, parts of *ARE* down since almost a year, or longer. But who needs flasher, or FIASCO images, or scratchbox, or madde?00:29
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DocScrutinizer05bencoh: we once had, until HiFo pissed those who ran it00:29
bencohare the repos still working or are they down too ?00:30
DocScrutinizer05for now they are still working. May change any minute now00:31
DocScrutinizer05unlike Nokia M$ has no scruple to shit them down without any prior notice00:32
bencohtime to wget -np -r ?00:32
DocScrutinizer05shut, but same thing00:32
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bencohhmm well, cant wget -np -r since we have no index ... need to parse Release/Packages00:33
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I know. I've seen a few guys doing all that for community00:33
DocScrutinizer05more than a year ago00:33
bencohcommunity could run a public rsync to allow people to mirror stuff easily00:34
DocScrutinizer05ask HiFo what they think about it00:34
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bencoh(most of the stuff is non-redistributable, but meh, who cares ... at least not me :p)00:35
bencohbut yeah, all this is sad00:35
DocScrutinizer05maybe not you, maybe not even Nokia, but for sure HiFo00:35
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DocScrutinizer05so much that they go after you to tell you that it's detrimental to their negotiations with nokia00:36
bencohdo they have rights on this stuff ?00:36
merlin1991freemangordon: I say manually promote00:36
merlin1991it's 1:1 the package from the tools repo and it is required by some stuff ...00:36
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: I suggested that00:36
DocScrutinizer05click on "promote package" in web admin interface00:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sure, but it is merlin1991 to approve it :)00:37
freemangordonwon;t work00:37
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freemangordonone have to manually copy it to repos00:37
DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid it will vanish next time midgard mess kicks in00:38
freemangordonme too :)00:38
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merlin1991and we have to move it into extras-testing aswell00:38
merlin1991otherwise mc can't be promoted all the way up00:38
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DocScrutinizer05so, shouldn't we rather fix the fux0red rule that forbids promotion for libslang?00:41
DocScrutinizer05it's obviously not exactly to the point anyway, since it forbids a package to promote to maemo-extras despite there#s no identical package in base repositories00:42
DocScrutinizer05while the only logical purpose for that rule can be: avoid packages in maemo-extras overriding base repos00:43
DocScrutinizer05linslang isn't in base repos00:43
freemangordonI will try to promote it by hand00:43
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't it be even easier to fix the rule?00:44
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freemangordonhmm, weird, looks like it should succeed now00:48
freemangordonSc0rpius: yappari 46 is in extras00:51
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freemangordonhmm, libslang is in extras now01:20
DocScrutinizer05how long?01:22
DocScrutinizer05lemme try updating mc01:22
bencohlittle question ... I guess only provides redistributable stuff from ?01:25
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DocScrutinizer05no, provides _no_ stuff from
bencohwhat is in nokia-binaries then ?01:28
bencohwhere does it come from ?01:28
DocScrutinizer05where are nokia-binaries on
bencohnokia with explicit permission ?01:28
bencoh maemo5.0/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries01:29
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DocScrutinizer05   doesn't point to a .deb01:31
DocScrutinizer05looks kinda like a metapackage01:32
bencohthere are a lot of .deb there01:32
DocScrutinizer05>>Meta package for non-free Maemo SDK packages.<<01:32
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DocScrutinizer05this is for SDK, and aiui not copyrighted by Nokia in a way so we'd need any allowance to distribute it01:37
bencohfor sdk ?01:38
DocScrutinizer05that's what the writing says, yes01:39
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freemangordonin the meanwhile
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erlehmannoh fuck is this great02:00
erlehmanni just downloaded maelophone02:00
erlehmannand it worked on my desktop after replacing the path names02:00
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erlehmannis this great02:01
* nox- found
erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 this is so great :302:10
erlehmannso is there a comprehensive guide how to create a debian package from a maemo package or vice versa?02:11
erlehmanni know a bit (not too much) about debian packages.02:11
DocScrutinizer05aaah :-D02:11
erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 i have a pygame synthesizer application02:12
erlehmannporting it would be great02:12
erlehmannit uses forth like synthx02:12
erlehmannbut it is not touch-able02:13
erlehmanni have to rectify that02:13
DocScrutinizer05I don't think there's a debian->maemo package converter, or a "howto package for maemo, for debian profi packagers"02:13
erlehmannhere watch
bencohshouldnt be much more than a few sed on debian rules and a few sb calls though ?02:13
erlehmannthe code in the right space is executed on a virtual machine 8000times a second02:14
erlehmannleft rectangle shows the memory of said machine02:14
erlehmannone pixel = one 32 bit uint02:14
erlehmannfirst 12 bit hue, next 12 bit saturation, last 8 bit value.02:14
erlehmannso you can see what is going on02:14
sixwheeledbeast ?02:14
xespulseaudio random issue with wrong audio routing of gsm calls:  voice-hw-sink-input.c: Master sink "sink.hw0" not found02:15
erlehmannthis shows something how the stack works
DocScrutinizer05what the heck? nice psychedelic stuff02:15
DocScrutinizer05xes: outch02:16
xes..already checked every related refence in tmo without obtain a working solution02:18
erlehmannDocScrutinizer05 i did a talk at a conference about this
erlehmannpardon my accent, i know now how to say „signal“02:19
erlehmanntalk is called „Making music with a C compiler” :D02:20
erlehmannif you like the psychedelic stuff, watch the talk and try to code stuff using libglitch yourself.02:21
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merlin1991to all the kernel power users out there, kernel-power-modules ships /opt/packet-injection-modules/... but no script is the script shipped somewhere else, or do I need to place it myself?02:30
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xesmerlin1991: advanced interface switcher is working fine to load packet injection modules02:35
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merlin1991I already broke it02:38
merlin1991the preferences window isn't visible anymore02:39
mariotrying to install:
mario"Error 503 Service Unavailable" :-/02:41
xesmerlin1991: /usr/bin/advifsw/wlan_load1.sh02:41
merlin1991hm the repo is trying to save you from a very bad mistake :D02:41
merlin1991but xes have a look at that, looks like varnish is in a bit of trouble02:42
bencohvarnish isnt happy02:42
infoboti heard fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated02:42
xesmerlin1991: just doing02:42
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: xes: the power saving mode is per connection in fremantle WLAN03:10
DocScrutinizer05unlike TX power (10/100mW) which is on same tab but only a global setting03:10
xesmario: merlin1991:  should work again03:12
xesmario: (but it would be better avoid that deb)03:13
DocScrutinizer05no, that particular .deb never realy worked ;-P03:13
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys HAM03:14
infobotFactoid search of 'HAM' by key (15 of 174): #maemo ham ;; $150/bottle champagne ;; 2012 champion ;; bahamat ;; banhammer ;; cmd: hammerthrow (.*?) ;; cmd: hamster (.*?) ;; hamm->potato ;; hamster ;; kamehameha wave ;; muhammad ;; oldtest abraham ;; oldtest baal-hamon ;; oldtest elishama ;; oldtest hamath.03:14
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo ham is also see ~speedyham03:15
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay03:15
infobot[ham] Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham03:15
DocScrutinizer05when HAM is like earth moving around sun, then speedyham is running circles around HAM like ISS around earth03:17
DocScrutinizer05*finally* somebody with a clue looked into HAM and fixed that mess, kicking out nonsensical busy loops doing useless stuff. Kudos freemangordon03:18
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DocScrutinizer05yeah :D03:22
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: :-/03:31
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: while in changelogs I see some optimizations for libpixman (shouldn't create a hard dependency on the new version for speedyham), I have nfc where from comes libglib2 version that speedyham claims to need03:41
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp# apt-cache policy libglib2.0-003:43
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DocScrutinizer05libglib2.0-0:  Installed: 2.20.3-1maemo5+0m5     Candidate: 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu003:43
DocScrutinizer05  Version table:     2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0 0        500 fremantle/free Packages [...]03:43
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure I wanna install a new libglib2 to my cssu-testing just to use speedyham03:44
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if that lib could get installed locally to speedyham03:44
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DocScrutinizer05either by placing it into same dedicated dir like speedyham and hoping for ld-linux to find it there prior to global glib, or simply per ld_preload, or maybe it's just a matter of making speedyham install while ignoring those dependency conflicts that shouldn't or MUSTNOT actually cause any problem, the lib ABI is supposed to be unchanged03:48
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DocScrutinizer05dpkg --contents hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb   makes me wonder if I actually wanna dare install it03:54
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DocScrutinizer05comparing the extracted with what I got on my cssu-testing shows no diff except in /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues04:11
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: merlin1991: ping! ^^^?04:14
infoboti heard speedyham is
DocScrutinizer05is not speedyham but standard snailslow ham04:15
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo speedyham04:15
infobotspeedyham -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Mar 13 22:28:34 2014 (45 days); last modified at Sat Mar 15 17:52:39 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 5 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 27s ago.04:15
merlin1991please md5sum usr/libexec/apt-worker from that extract04:16
DocScrutinizer05seems I got wrong info a 45 days back04:16
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# md5sum ./usr/libexec/apt-worker04:16
DocScrutinizer05f96dffa9c5615d5bcd704b889243fbc6  ./usr/libexec/apt-worker04:16
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# md5sum /usr/libexec/apt-worker04:17
DocScrutinizer05f96dffa9c5615d5bcd704b889243fbc6  /usr/libexec/apt-worker04:17
DocScrutinizer05note the tiny diff in the two pastes04:18
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* merlin1991 got the feeling you made a mistake04:20
merlin1991124054608af9baf3b92ed6ea477915f3 is the md5sum of the current cssu-testing apt-worker04:21
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# find . -type f -exec cmp {} /{} \;04:21
DocScrutinizer05./etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues /./etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues differieren: Byte 12, Zeile 1.04:21
merlin1991well whatever you're comparing, your installed ham is not cssu-testing 9.1 ham04:22
merlin1991well this is the md5sums file taken directly from within the deb for 2.2.72-5
merlin1991so if your /usr/libexec/apt-worker is not 124054608af9baf3b92ed6ea477915f3 then your instalation does not match your dpkg status04:25
DocScrutinizer05my dpkg-status?04:26
DocScrutinizer05which status?04:26
merlin1991that status of the dpkg database04:26
DocScrutinizer05well, wtf?04:27
merlin1991your device wtf did you do?04:27
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merlin1991run md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/hildon-application-manager.md5sums from /04:28
merlin1991that should check if your installation fits what dpkg thinks is installed04:28
DocScrutinizer05FUUUCK it installed despite throwing errors04:31
merlin1991yep I just read your earlier paste, is says04:32
merlin1991dpkg: error processing hildon-application-manager (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured04:32
merlin1991but configure comes after unpack ...04:32
DocScrutinizer05errr aha04:32
merlin1991and dpkg has no rollback04:33
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DocScrutinizer05so it installed a binary that has unmet dependencies, niiiice04:33
DocScrutinizer05ffs, I created a backup of /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager04:35
merlin1991just install if you want to roll back04:36
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if that stuff ruined any of my config files04:37
DocScrutinizer05sources.list etc04:37
DocScrutinizer05but then, I can restore those now very easily ;-) \o/04:38
DocScrutinizer05thanks enable-catalogs04:38
DocScrutinizer05speedyHAM works! :-D  FREAKING FAAAAAAAAAAST!04:38
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DocScrutinizer05of course it messed up my sources.list or whatever04:42
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DocScrutinizer05but I actually changed catalogs in HAM, enabled extras-devel and disabled extras-testing, HAM did download and update all the enabled catalogs, then I switched from "install" to "update2 when it agan updated all catalogs and then showed me 4 updates available. All in the 4 min from post two up till one up04:45
DocScrutinizer05that's so incredibly fast you couldn't belive it even when seeing it with your own eyes04:46
DocScrutinizer05particularly when you used stock HAM before04:46
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: thanks!04:47
DocScrutinizer05I wonder how fast it could get when swotching to maemo-extras-devel-lite now04:48
DocScrutinizer05we probably should integrate some sleep() to allow users to think about what they want to install and if they really want to do tha ;-)04:49
DocScrutinizer05that's a really nice experience for today04:51
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: I owe you an evening with booze on me, for speedyham05:04
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DocScrutinizer51really wow05:13
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DocScrutinizer05with -devel-light it got again a noticeable kick faster05:15
DocScrutinizer05so awesome you could start to *love* HAM05:16
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VenemoDocScrutinizer05: ping13:44
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dreamerhi all, I'm looking for an easy way to make a simple desktop widget. any tips?16:31
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DocScrutinizer05queen beecon?16:39
DocScrutinizer05prolly as easy as it gets16:40
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dreamerDocScrutinizer05: cool. other than being fugly it seems more or less what I need so I'll have a look ;)17:19
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DocScrutinizer05I think fugly is up to your config. I seem to recall you can have your own background image and maybe even shape17:42
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sixwheeledbeastdreamer: QBW is very fixable, what do you want the widget to do?18:23
dreamertwo potential things, which I can both do with curl, which I just installed18:24
dreamerso I'll see what I can make with that :)18:24
dreamerand there is awk, so yeah I can do what I want, I think18:25
dreamerwill have to write a nice script to wrap it all :)18:25
Sicelodoes speedyHAM allow to install libraries for example? in HAM a lot of stuff can't really be seen..18:28
sixwheeledbeastSicelo: speedyHAM is HAM on speed, no extra functions18:30
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sixwheeledbeastdreamer: so you wish to run scripts?18:30
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dreamersixwheeledbeast: from what I read that's what QBW does, no?18:33
sixwheeledbeastthe reason I ask is it is possible to create your own hildon style shortcut if you don't like the look of QBW18:33
sixwheeledbeastQBW is more flexible than running scripts, it can output data to the desktop widget18:34
dreamerok, well QBW does update the colour, which is nice for what I want18:34
sixwheeledbeastQBW it is then18:34
dreamerI'm looking to do two things: check a json file for a value (and change an icon based on that) and do a http POST request with one of two possible values (which is determined by the first action)18:35
dreamerso i'm thinking of some hackery around curl and awk18:35
sixwheeledbeastThis is why I asked what it was for :) if it was to simply run or open something you could make a shortcut. Much like I have for opening a particular spreadsheet file.18:37
sixwheeledbeastHave a look at the examples on the QBW thread and QBW wiki page for help.18:37
dreameryeah I want to do more than that18:37
dreameryeah I'll see when my motivation is up ;)18:37
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DocScrutinizer05I had a QBW widget to switch on/off auto-connect_to_WLAN, showed green when on and red when off18:50
DocScrutinizer05showing own IP is another nice widget18:50
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DocScrutinizer05reading out battery charge from bq27200 comes to mind18:51
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: that sounds useful18:53
sixwheeledbeastI found external IP widgets can cause h-d to hang if your not careful18:55
DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah, you for sure should make sure that your script behind the QBW widget returns soonish18:56
DocScrutinizer05since all widgets run *inside* the main H-D thread18:56
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DocScrutinizer05so one single bad widget can nuke your whole desktop18:56
DocScrutinizer05and a segfaulting widget can even cause a bootloop18:57
DocScrutinizer05pretty unfortunate system design18:57
DocScrutinizer05somebody must've been on crack18:58
sixwheeledbeastpython is terrible for leaking into h-d19:07
ecc3gfriendly FM widget = desktop killer for me...19:20
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sixwheeledbeastIMO the longer you have your N900 the less third-party widgetz you bother with.19:44
sixwheeledbeastI currently only have OMWeather installed, when I first started I did have 10 QBW's and allsorts but I got fed up with h-d hanging and slow performance.19:48
sixwheeledbeastSlowly they got removed19:49
ecc3gsome widgets seem stable ... OMWeather seems stable19:53
sixwheeledbeast:nod: its a PITA to find a rogue one tho.19:54
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ShadowJKI used to have 0 widgets, now I have a few weblinks20:07
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wizbitis there a way to make a n900 / maemo boot so it shows the linux kernel log?21:20
wizbitalso, does maemo do a fsck when it boots?21:20
NIN101load the fbcon module at boot time, assuming the kernel you are using has it.21:25
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wizbitLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown21:26
wizbitFATAL: Module fbcon not found.21:27
wizbitis it worth using the power kernel:
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DocScrutinizer05well, for fbcon for sure21:38
DocScrutinizer05also for another few negligences like USB hostmode, netfilters/NAT etc21:39
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wizbitDocScrutinizer05: do i need the U-Boot kernel21:48
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wizbitor just: Linux kernel for power user21:48
DocScrutinizer05do you have uboot installed?21:48
wizbiti installed that menu thing21:48
wizbitim not sure if its uboot21:48
DocScrutinizer05that's BM, right?21:48
DocScrutinizer05that's not uBoot21:49
wizbitright ok21:49
DocScrutinizer05so no, you don't need uBoot kernel21:49
wizbitI will now install using HAM: Linux kernel for power user21:49
DocScrutinizer05go ahead21:49
wizbitace :D21:49
wizbitthis is like a mini computer21:49
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DocScrutinizer05this IS a mini computer21:49
wizbitoh yes :D21:50
DocScrutinizer05and Nokia never got the catch on that particular fact21:50
DocScrutinizer05N9 is not21:50
jdolesI keep discovering new features in mine.21:50
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DocScrutinizer05wizbit: you might want to go for speedyham21:51
wizbiti think fsck is important, i think the power kernel supports that?21:51
jdolesspeedyham? Is that like HAM, but 'not slow'?21:51
infoboti heard speedyham is
RiDnever heard of it... what did I miss?21:52
wizbithow do you do a reboot so BootMenu appears?  if i use the power off feature from the title bar, it just reboots without showing BootMenu21:53
DocScrutinizer05open slider21:53
RiDso speedyham is out... since today?21:54
DocScrutinizer05it's not really out at all yet21:54
DocScrutinizer05next CSSU-T release will have it, i heard21:54
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RiDcool, i'll wait for it21:54
DocScrutinizer05no, you don't want to wait for that AWESOME improvement :-D21:55
DocScrutinizer05make a BM backup, do
wizbitwould be nice to get rid of that nokia hand shake video when it boots lol21:55
DocScrutinizer05wizbit: see21:55
infobotmethinks jrtools is
wizbitok :D21:56
RiDany more wishes? lol21:56
wizbitone last one, can the phone go into portrait mode21:56
DocScrutinizer05install CSSU-T21:56
RiDDocScrutinizer05 i haven't installed much these times, my n900 has seen busier days21:56
wizbitLinux Nokia-N900 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l unknown21:56
RiD(still primary device)21:57
wizbitis CSSU-T = thumb?21:57
DocScrutinizer05cssu-t is a subset of cssu-thumb21:57
wizbiti havent install thumb yet21:58
DocScrutinizer05T like Testing21:58
wizbitdo i just activate the thumb repo and update?21:58
infobotrumour has it, cssu is
wizbitim running CSSU21:58
wizbitbut not thumb21:58
DocScrutinizer05(actually even CSSU-S can do portrait mode, but the widget to enable it is missing)21:59
wizbiti think my phone contacts went into portrait mode somehow21:59
wizbitbut im not sure how i did it21:59
wizbitits not essential21:59
RiDi think it worked in pr1.2 or something21:59
DocScrutinizer05dialer (incl "show contacts") has an option to go to portrait even in stock22:00
DocScrutinizer05see menu in dialer22:00
RiDwizbit you won't find yourself using it in portrait that often anyways22:00
wizbitdoes the power kernel do a auto fsck when it boots?22:00
DocScrutinizer05every kernel does (not, since system does)22:01
wizbitDocScrutinizer05: does it need setting up from fstab?22:01
wizbitok :D22:01
DocScrutinizer05NAND has ubifs which per definition doesn't need nor have fsck22:01
wizbitace :D22:02
DocScrutinizer05MyDocs is VFAT and sysinit scripts do fsck when needed22:02
wizbitwould it be better if MyDocs was ext3?22:02
DocScrutinizer05and I FINALLY WANT THAT NOTIFICATION LED BLINK RED when fsck is running22:03
wizbitgood idea22:03
DocScrutinizer05wizbit: depends. you can't mass storage mount it then22:03
wizbityep true,  also should i change swap partition? like you said?22:03
DocScrutinizer05that's critical. If you dare you can give it a try22:04
DocScrutinizer05but then your system will stall when opening battery cover22:04
wizbitok if its critical, i will do it!22:04
wizbiti will turn off system if i need to remove battery cover22:04
DocScrutinizer05it's not generally recommended for "normal users"22:05
DocScrutinizer05I for one never really used it, I tested it once22:05
wizbitok i wont bother doing it?!22:05
DocScrutinizer05fund the effect to be marginal for me since I'm humble with RAM usage22:05
wizbitso there is only 1 think left, CSSU-THUMB22:06
DocScrutinizer05wait with that!22:06
wizbitoh ok22:06
DocScrutinizer05at least one month22:06
DocScrutinizer05make yourself familiar with "stock" maemo22:06
DocScrutinizer05thumb is clumsy to handle22:06
wizbitok will do22:06
wizbiti have a root ssh password, i login via root22:07
wizbitshould i set a passwword for User instead and disable root ssh login?22:07
DocScrutinizer05OOOH keep in mind your BM backups need the right kernel when restoring22:07
DocScrutinizer05you can't restore a BM backup to a different kernel22:07
wizbiti havent backed up yet :D22:07
DocScrutinizer05dman you! ;-P22:08
wizbitwant to get system setup just right then i will22:08
DocScrutinizer05you should do a backup *before* you messed up stuff by trying to get it right ;-)22:08
DocScrutinizer05and of course again after succeeding22:08
wizbitwell it seems ok now, im not going to put much more on it22:09
wizbiti will backup soon22:09
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DocScrutinizer05cmd: Today is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 318022:09
wizbitoh yes there is one last problem22:10
wizbiti added a Skype account22:10
wizbitbut i cannot get a video call option to show22:10
wizbitit looks like the n900 has a front facing camera22:10
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, you don't wanna know my advice regarding skype22:10
wizbitwell my friends and family are on it, im not a great fan of it either22:11
DocScrutinizer05afaik skype video should "work" via frontcam22:11
jdolesYeah, it "works".22:11
jdolesThe resolution is "terrible".22:11
wizbitmaybe the power kernel will make it work22:11
DocScrutinizer05skype kills your battery22:12
jdolesIf you want a working solution, get the iPhone stuff.22:12
wizbitno thanks22:12
wizbitmaybe google video might be better22:12
jdolesAFAIK, Apple has the best tech there now.22:12
jdolesNow, it might do worse along other dimensions.22:12
jdolesI wasn't talking about that.22:12
wizbitaye ok22:13
wizbitmy friends think i have a cheap old calculator, little do they know... hehe22:13
jdolesI also won't buy a new "phone" until I can upgrade to something which is still a "mini computer".22:13
wizbitme too22:13
wizbiti wonder if the neo900 has a better front camera22:14
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wizbiti use giffgaff in UK22:14
DocScrutinizer05no, the cameras are all the same. Particularly front cam22:14
wizbitok its no big deal22:14
DocScrutinizer05if you wanna do video calls, use a decent laptop or desktop PC22:15
DocScrutinizer05you don't wanna stare at your phone while running into a bus22:15
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jdolesDocScrutinizer05: but phones are going to make laptops absolute!?!22:16
jdolesThat was a joke, including the spelling.22:17
DocScrutinizer05since skype is M$, you won't be a happy surfer with it on any other platform than windoze anyway, for much longer22:17
wizbitthere is a google video app in a repo22:17
jdolesDocScrutinizer05: I think the economics have changed on that already.22:17
jdolesDocScrutinizer05: in enterprises people want to have Linux support now too.22:17
DocScrutinizer05OMG, poor maemo22:18
jdolesDocScrutinizer05: effectively, people are using stuff like Google Hangouts, even though there are proprietary systems which only run on commercial OSs.22:18
wizbitwhat are cool things to show on desktop, i have the weather showing with some shortcuts22:18
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wizbitand the media player22:18
DocScrutinizer05try wifi-eye22:20
DocScrutinizer05sometimes comes in handy to analyze the RF landscape22:20
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you mean widgets?22:20
DocScrutinizer05wifieye is no widget22:21
DocScrutinizer05I have a few contacts shortcuts to directly call some of my freinds with two clicks22:21
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wizbitsome system info would be nice22:21
DocScrutinizer05I have a shortcut to "settings"22:21
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DocScrutinizer05load applet is all the "system info2 I realy need22:22
wizbiti installed load applet22:22
wizbitdoes that create the icons in the title bar22:22
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wizbitohhh nice22:22
DocScrutinizer05left is CPU, right is memory usage22:22
wizbiti dont see that22:23
DocScrutinizer05when CPU is in the red, you prolly should wait for something to finish22:23
wizbitimaybe it isnt on there after all22:23
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wizbiti do have this22:26
DocScrutinizer05the lower left two are buttons for screenshot and screencast from load applet22:28
DocScrutinizer05the real thing sits in the systray22:28
DocScrutinizer05next to the battery icon22:28
wizbitDocScrutinizer05: my icons look pretty much like this22:29
wizbitthose bars on the left are for cpu?22:30
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and your cpu is in 0.5 bars, mam at 2 bars22:30
wizbiti thought that was wifi signal lol22:30
DocScrutinizer05wifi is left of green dot22:31
DocScrutinizer05why is your GPS enabled?22:31
wizbitim going to try this script so i can videos playing ok22:31
DocScrutinizer05is that OK?22:31
wizbitDocScrutinizer05: thats not my screen22:31
wizbitthen i can watch movies on the train22:32
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wizbitit works :D22:43
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wizbitperfect res22:45
wizbitffmpeg -i "test.mp4" -vcodec libx264 -vpre hq -vpre ipod640 -b 800k -s 800x450 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k -ac 2 "test.mp4.n900.mp4"22:45
wizbitactually i took away the hq preset for my version of ffmpeg22:45
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wizbiti have to admit, this phone + maemo is _AWESOME_22:57
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: speedyham in cssu-devel repo depends on newer libglib as it was compiled on a system(SB) upgraded to the latest -testing. Which introduced upgraded libglib22:58
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: yes, thought as much. But that's not what it should do22:59
freemangordonprolly, but I don;t see a way to correctly handle that22:59
DocScrutinizer05dependencies should be tailored to the actualy need, which is usually "a lib compatible to..."22:59
freemangordonI know, but this dependency doesn't come from debian/control23:00
DocScrutinizer05freakin shite23:00
freemangordonit is auto-generated23:00
freemangordonby dh_ scripts23:00
DocScrutinizer05that's kinda buggy23:00
freemangordonI wouldn't say it is, after all those scripts take what is currently installed as a minimum needed version, which makes sense23:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: also, upgrading libglib is not that scary :P23:02
freemangordonthe same comes for libpixman23:03
freemangordon(auto-generated dependency)23:03
DocScrutinizer05I'm tempted to hexedit the .deb to s/libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0)/libglib2.0-0 (>= 0.00.0)/23:04
Ashley`debs suck :c23:05
DocScrutinizer05what an idiocy to specify a particular version for everything23:05
freemangordonno need to hexedit the .deb23:05
freemangordonjust edit ... umm... where it was23:05
freemangordonwell dpkg database, it should be somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg or /usr/lib/dpkg23:06
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freemangordonit is a plaintext file23:06
Ashley`hexediting deb may not be that easy23:06
DocScrutinizer05what for? would that fix the issue for others?23:06
Ashley`its gzipped tar in ar23:06
freemangordonfor "others" there is no issu23:06
bencohyup, just ar x/tar x23:07
freemangordonyou're installing stuff from cssu-devel repo23:07
DocScrutinizer05so what?23:07
infoboti guess cssu-devel is, or extremely deprecated for any non-developer23:07
freemangordonit may eat your brain23:07
bencohbrains are overrated anyway23:07
DocScrutinizer05I'm not interested in this type of discussion23:07
freemangordonspeedyham is cssu material, you may try to install it on your x86 PC and complain that it is not compatible and has missing dependencies23:08
freemangordonas well23:08
DocScrutinizer05it sounds like "look you're not supposed to use it anyway, so I fucked it up to make sure you get a headache when you nevertheless do"23:08
freemangordonand you are well aware that cssu policy is "take it or leave it"23:09
freemangordonofc not23:09
DocScrutinizer05I'm not interested in your policy either23:09
freemangordonIt is not me put that dependency to make your life harder23:09
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: just git clone and build it in non-cssu SB23:10
freemangordonyou'll have your dependency in place23:10
DocScrutinizer05please tell that wizbit23:10
freemangordonwell, the real problem is that last cssu-stable update was more than year ago, correct?23:11
DocScrutinizer05I got my "dependencies in place" already23:11
DocScrutinizer05the real problem is that the .deb is fucked up so it's not usable on stock maemo23:11
freemangordonit was never meant to be usable on stock maemo. period23:12
DocScrutinizer05I don't care. period23:12
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freemangordonaaaand... my nokia developer account has been terminated :)23:14
freemangordonNokia account <comms-NokiaAccount-noreply at nokia dot microsoft dot com>23:16
DocScrutinizer05what else did you expect?23:16
freemangordonnothing, but my eyes started to bleed :)23:16
DocScrutinizer05wait till you do a whois on the (then deceased) domain23:17
freemangordonyeah :(23:17
DocScrutinizer05prolly pointing to then, by CNAME23:18
freemangordonmaybe we should act pro-actively and change HAM catalogues in advance23:18
DocScrutinizer05I suggested that several times during last 12 months or so23:18
freemangordonbut I guess that should come from the council23:18
DocScrutinizer05last time I checked I been council member23:19
freemangordonI know23:19
DocScrutinizer05only 2 more weeks though23:19
freemangordondo something then23:19
freemangordonwe have the tool to do it (you-know-which-package)23:20
DocScrutinizer05but I'm out of this business, fed up by the flaming and bullying23:20
DocScrutinizer05and the ignorance23:21
freemangordonwhen is the next council meeting? tomorrow?23:22
DocScrutinizer05go ask HiFo which decade of which century they hope to finalize their negotiations with Nokia23:22
DocScrutinizer05and which fraction of the donations/fund they plan to dedicate to that task23:24
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: whan is the next planned council meeting?23:25
DocScrutinizer05while a domain registration already costs ~10EUR/year, and I'm not willing to pay any more cent from my own pocket, and I'm also not willing to accept any more donations to my private account just to hear about tax evasion and forgery and whatnot23:26
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: NFC, it seems there are no regular meetings anymore23:26
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freemangordoncool :(23:26
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DocScrutinizer05at least there are no meeting minutes, right?23:27
DocScrutinizer05I also can't see any activity of council to start next elections23:28
DocScrutinizer05I explaned like 5 times that this time I *won't* push those23:29
DocScrutinizer05first time I did explain been _before_ last elections23:29
DocScrutinizer05there's simply nobody interested anymore, in anything related to maemo23:30
DocScrutinizer05particularly not in electroate23:31
wizbittyping in my complex passwords is quite difficult on a n90023:32
wizbiti might setup ssh keys23:32
wizbitcan the n900 browser remember passwords?23:32
xesinz: ping23:33
RiDwizbit quite a basic feature.. the answer is obviously yes23:35
wizbiteeek my dmesg says lots of times23:36
wizbitwlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bf52c - sending probe request23:36
wizbitis it safe to issue a: reboot from the terminal ?23:38
inzxes, pong?23:40
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xeshi inz! If i'm not wrong you were the maintainer of Isn't it?23:41
inzI was, yes23:41
wizbitseems ok after reboot23:42
xesabout the repo and sources, is everything lost?23:42
wizbitDocScrutinizer05: sorry to repeat, how can i launch BackupMenu when it boots?23:43
Ashley`open keyboard?23:43
Ashley`and maybe press something23:43
wizbitit was open?!23:43
Ashley`then i dont remember23:44
wizbiti installed a new kernel23:44
wizbiti wonder if that wipes it23:44
wizbitill try again23:44
DocScrutinizer05full boot23:44
wizbitDocScrutinizer05: how can i do that ?23:44
wizbitreboot from terminal?23:44
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DocScrutinizer05easiest way: switch device on23:44
inzxes, they're not lost, still on the disk; put them online at:
DocScrutinizer05from terminal a shutdown -r now should do23:46
wizbitit works23:46
wizbitwith keyboard open23:46
DocScrutinizer05though i'm not sure it has the right bootreason for BM then23:46
wizbitits time to get the nokia booting so it shows the kernel log, like a proper linux box :D23:48
xesinz: if you don't mind, i would like to mirror these contents and ask our council to keep a copy into repository.maemo.org23:49
inzxes, if you feel like there's something worth saving, then sure =)23:50
DocScrutinizer05xes: simply go ahead, there's basically no council that will decide on such stuff anymore. Heck it's even unclear it seems if council is allowed to decide such stuff, when you ever were to ask HiFo23:51
xesinz: thank you! I'm going to mirror that and proceed asking about keeping a copy into repository.maemo.org23:52
DocScrutinizer05while for me it's unclear if HiFo has to decide on *anything*, considering they don't have any paper at hand23:53
DocScrutinizer05it all boils down to "ask M$ or simply do it"23:54
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xesDocScrutinizer05: since in my opinion these contents are useful, let's proceed step by step23:57
DocScrutinizer05what you gonna do when in two weeks is a CNAME to ?23:58
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