IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2014-04-28

DocScrutinizer05	hi merlin1991	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	would you agree on my rationale that all SDK libs should come via nokia base repos?	00:01
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freemangordon	merlin1991: i moved a couple of packages to /home/fmg/27042014	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	damn you! 20140427	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	00:02
freemangordon	dammit, we're in europe and I am in bulgaria :P	00:03
DocScrutinizer05	ISO	00:04
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DocScrutinizer05	well, almost	00:04
DocScrutinizer05	~date	00:05
infobot	It is now 2014.04.27 21:05:11 GMT	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	sooo close	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	s/./-/	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	~wiki Iso8601	00:09
infobot	At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso8601 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'ISO 8601' "Data elements and interchange formats â Information interchange â Representation of dates and times" is an international standard covering the exchange of date and time-related data. It was issued by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and was first published in 1988. The purpose of this standard is to provide an unambiguous and well-defined method ...	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	~iso 8601	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	~iso8601	00:09
merlin1991	hm this libslang2 is foobar	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	anyway >>Date and time values are ordered from the most to the least significant: year, month (or week), day, hour, minute, second, and fraction of second. The lexicographical order of the representation thus corresponds to chronological order, except for date representations involving negative years. This allows dates to be naturally sorted by, for example, file systems.<<	00:11
freemangordon	merlin1991: hmm?	00:11
merlin1991	looks like parts of downloads.maemo.nokia.com are offline (apt-get update fails for one of the 2 repos there)	00:13
freemangordon	merlin1991: WFM	00:17
merlin1991	freemangordon: true	00:18
merlin1991	my apt foo isn't was it was anymore	00:18
freemangordon	shame on you	00:19
freemangordon	seems like harm had spoiled you :)	00:19
merlin1991	I've been knee deep in enterprise soap webservies (and SAP) for the past month, that can do bad things to a human being	00:19
freemangordon	oh	00:20
freemangordon	merlin1991: so, what do you mean by saying that libslang2 is foobar?	00:22
merlin1991	that I'm still looking into it :)	00:22
* merlin1991 wonder what sense the freaking "tools" repo made at any point		00:22
DocScrutinizer05	((parts of downloads.maemo.nokia.com are offline)) wouldn't come by surprise though, eh?	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	not like we just discussed exactly that in admin channel	00:23
freemangordon	its on merlin1991's side this time :)	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	not like I mentioned it a few days ago already, when Nokia announced the sale to M$ got finalized	00:24
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DocScrutinizer05	not like I'm asking what's HiFo's real progress on the issue since Dec 2013	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	not that the whole war in maemo organizational entities during last few months had anything to do with all that	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	honestly, what's HiFo's plans when it comes to this?	00:27
bencoh	hmm, dont we at least have a mirror somewhere ?	00:28
DocScrutinizer05	ooh wait, parts of maemo.nokia.com ARE down since almost a year, or longer. But who needs flasher, or FIASCO images, or scratchbox, or madde?	00:29
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DocScrutinizer05	bencoh: we once had, until HiFo pissed those who ran it	00:29
bencoh	are the repos still working or are they down too ?	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	for now they are still working. May change any minute now	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	unlike Nokia M$ has no scruple to shit them down without any prior notice	00:32
bencoh	time to wget -np -r ?	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	shut, but same thing	00:32
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bencoh	hmm well, cant wget -np -r since we have no index ... need to parse Release/Packages	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, I know. I've seen a few guys doing all that for community	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	more than a year ago	00:33
bencoh	community could run a public rsync to allow people to mirror stuff easily	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	ask HiFo what they think about it	00:34
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bencoh	downloads.nokia shouldnt change anyway so wget-ing once and for all is enough	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	sure	00:35
bencoh	(most of the stuff is non-redistributable, but meh, who cares ... at least not me :p)	00:35
bencoh	but yeah, all this is sad	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	maybe not you, maybe not even Nokia, but for sure HiFo	00:35
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bencoh	hmpf	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	so much that they go after you to tell you that it's detrimental to their negotiations with nokia	00:36
bencoh	do they have rights on this stuff ?	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	no	00:36
merlin1991	freemangordon: I say manually promote	00:36
merlin1991	it's 1:1 the package from the tools repo and it is required by some stuff ...	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: I suggested that	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	click on "promote package" in web admin interface	00:37
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: sure, but it is merlin1991 to approve it :)	00:37
freemangordon	won;t work	00:37
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freemangordon	one have to manually copy it to repos	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	I'm afraid it will vanish next time midgard mess kicks in	00:38
freemangordon	me too :)	00:38
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merlin1991	and we have to move it into extras-testing aswell	00:38
merlin1991	otherwise mc can't be promoted all the way up	00:38
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DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	so, shouldn't we rather fix the fux0red rule that forbids promotion for libslang?	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	it's obviously not exactly to the point anyway, since it forbids a package to promote to maemo-extras despite there#s no identical package in base repositories	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	while the only logical purpose for that rule can be: avoid packages in maemo-extras overriding base repos	00:43
DocScrutinizer05	linslang isn't in base repos	00:43
freemangordon	I will try to promote it by hand	00:43
DocScrutinizer05	wouldn't it be even easier to fix the rule?	00:44
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freemangordon	no	00:46
freemangordon	hmm, weird, looks like it should succeed now	00:48
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: yappari 46 is in extras	00:51
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freemangordon	hmm, libslang is in extras now	01:20
DocScrutinizer05	how long?	01:22
DocScrutinizer05	lemme try updating mc	01:22
DocScrutinizer05	works	01:25
bencoh	little question ... I guess rep.maemo.org only provides redistributable stuff from download.maemo.nokia.com ?	01:25
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DocScrutinizer05	no, maemo.org provides _no_ stuff from download.maemo.nokia.com	01:28
bencoh	what is in nokia-binaries then ?	01:28
bencoh	where does it come from ?	01:28
DocScrutinizer05	where are nokia-binaries on maemo.org?	01:28
bencoh	nokia with explicit permission ?	01:28
bencoh	http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo5.0/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries	01:29
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DocScrutinizer05	nfc	01:30
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bencoh	:D	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/nokia-binaries/5.0+1/ doesn't point to a .deb	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	looks kinda like a metapackage	01:32
DocScrutinizer05	errr	01:32
bencoh	there are a lot of .deb there	01:32
DocScrutinizer05	>>Meta package for non-free Maemo SDK packages.<<	01:32
bencoh	hmm	01:33
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DocScrutinizer05	this is for SDK, and aiui not copyrighted by Nokia in a way so we'd need any allowance to distribute it	01:37
bencoh	for sdk ?	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	that's what the writing says, yes	01:39
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freemangordon	in the meanwhile http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/libslang2/2.0.6-4osso1+r1/	01:48
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erlehmann	oh fuck is this great	02:00
erlehmann	i just downloaded maelophone	02:00
erlehmann	and it worked on my desktop after replacing the path names	02:00
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erlehmann	is this great	02:01
DocScrutinizer05	maelophone?	02:06
* nox- found http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1482&faq=34		02:07
erlehmann	DocScrutinizer05 this is so great :3	02:10
erlehmann	http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/video/screencasts/maelophone-not-the-end-of-the-world.ogv	02:10
erlehmann	so is there a comprehensive guide how to create a debian package from a maemo package or vice versa?	02:11
erlehmann	i know a bit (not too much) about debian packages.	02:11
DocScrutinizer05	aaah :-D	02:11
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide	02:11
erlehmann	DocScrutinizer05 i have a pygame synthesizer application	02:12
erlehmann	porting it would be great	02:12
erlehmann	it uses forth like synthx	02:12
erlehmann	but it is not touch-able	02:13
erlehmann	i have to rectify that	02:13
DocScrutinizer05	I don't think there's a debian->maemo package converter, or a "howto package for maemo, for debian profi packagers"	02:13
erlehmann	here watch http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/video/screencasts/glitched-tripster.ogv	02:13
bencoh	shouldnt be much more than a few sed on debian rules and a few sb calls though ?	02:13
erlehmann	the code in the right space is executed on a virtual machine 8000times a second	02:14
erlehmann	left rectangle shows the memory of said machine	02:14
erlehmann	one pixel = one 32 bit uint	02:14
erlehmann	first 12 bit hue, next 12 bit saturation, last 8 bit value.	02:14
erlehmann	so you can see what is going on	02:14
sixwheeledbeast	http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging ?	02:14
xes	pulseaudio random issue with wrong audio routing of gsm calls: voice-hw-sink-input.c: Master sink "sink.hw0" not found	02:15
erlehmann	this shows something how the stack works http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/video/glitched-stack.ogv	02:15
DocScrutinizer05	what the heck? nice psychedelic stuff	02:15
DocScrutinizer05	xes: outch	02:16
xes	..already checked every related refence in tmo without obtain a working solution	02:18
erlehmann	DocScrutinizer05 i did a talk at a conference about this http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/talks/music-c-compiler.html	02:19
erlehmann	pardon my accent, i know now how to say „signal“	02:19
erlehmann	talk is called „Making music with a C compiler” :D	02:20
erlehmann	if you like the psychedelic stuff, watch the talk and try to code stuff using libglitch yourself.	02:21
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merlin1991	to all the kernel power users out there, kernel-power-modules ships /opt/packet-injection-modules/... but no script is the script shipped somewhere else, or do I need to place it myself?	02:30
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xes	merlin1991: advanced interface switcher is working fine to load packet injection modules	02:35
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merlin1991	heh	02:38
merlin1991	I already broke it	02:38
merlin1991	the preferences window isn't visible anymore	02:39
mario	trying to install: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/f/fapman/fapman_0.7.1-1_armel.deb	02:41
mario	"Error 503 Service Unavailable" :-/	02:41
xes	merlin1991: /usr/bin/advifsw/wlan_load1.sh	02:41
merlin1991	hm the repo is trying to save you from a very bad mistake :D	02:41
merlin1991	but xes have a look at that, looks like varnish is in a bit of trouble	02:42
bencoh	varnish isnt happy	02:42
DocScrutinizer05	~fapman	02:42
infobot	i heard fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated	02:42
xes	merlin1991: just doing	02:42
merlin1991	thanks	02:43
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DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: xes: the power saving mode is per connection in fremantle WLAN	03:10
DocScrutinizer05	afaik	03:10
DocScrutinizer05	unlike TX power (10/100mW) which is on same tab but only a global setting	03:10
xes	mario: merlin1991: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/f/fapman/fapman_0.7.1-1_armel.deb should work again	03:12
xes	mario: (but it would be better avoid that deb)	03:13
DocScrutinizer05	no, that particular .deb never realy worked ;-P	03:13
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DocScrutinizer05	~listkeys HAM	03:14
infobot	Factoid search of 'HAM' by key (15 of 174): #maemo ham ;; $150/bottle champagne ;; 2012 battle.net champion ;; bahamat ;; banhammer ;; cmd: hammerthrow (.?) ;; cmd: hamster (.?) ;; hamm->potato ;; hamster ;; kamehameha wave ;; muhammad ;; oldtest abraham ;; oldtest baal-hamon ;; oldtest elishama ;; oldtest hamath.	03:14
DocScrutinizer05	dang	03:14
DocScrutinizer05	~speedyham	03:15
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb	03:15
DocScrutinizer05	~#maemo ham is also see ~speedyham	03:15
infobot	DocScrutinizer05: okay	03:15
DocScrutinizer05	~ham	03:15
infobot	[ham] Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham	03:15
DocScrutinizer05	when HAM is like earth moving around sun, then speedyham is running circles around HAM like ISS around earth	03:17
xes	:-D	03:17
DocScrutinizer05	finally somebody with a clue looked into HAM and fixed that mess, kicking out nonsensical busy loops doing useless stuff. Kudos freemangordon	03:18
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DocScrutinizer05	yeah :D	03:22
DocScrutinizer05	oops	03:22
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DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: http://privatepaste.com/6f34e4603d :-/	03:31
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DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: while in changelogs I see some optimizations for libpixman (shouldn't create a hard dependency on the new version for speedyham), I have nfc where from comes libglib2 version that speedyham claims to need	03:41
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DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp# apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0	03:43
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DocScrutinizer05	libglib2.0-0: Installed: 2.20.3-1maemo5+0m5 Candidate: 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0	03:43
DocScrutinizer05	Version table: 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0 0 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages [...]	03:43
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not sure I wanna install a new libglib2 to my cssu-testing just to use speedyham	03:44
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if that lib could get installed locally to speedyham		03:44
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DocScrutinizer05	either by placing it into same dedicated dir like speedyham and hoping for ld-linux to find it there prior to global glib, or simply per ld_preload, or maybe it's just a matter of making speedyham install while ignoring those dependency conflicts that shouldn't or MUSTNOT actually cause any problem, the lib ABI is supposed to be unchanged	03:48
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DocScrutinizer05	dpkg --contents hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb makes me wonder if I actually wanna dare install it	03:54
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DocScrutinizer05	errr	04:10
DocScrutinizer05	comparing the extracted http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb with what I got on my cssu-testing shows no diff except in /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues	04:11
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DocScrutinizer05	http://privatepaste.com/36019891aa	04:14
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: merlin1991: ping! ^^^?	04:14
merlin1991	hm?	04:15
DocScrutinizer05	~speedyham	04:15
infobot	i heard speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb	04:15
DocScrutinizer05	is not speedyham but standard snailslow ham	04:15
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo speedyham	04:15
infobot	speedyham -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Mar 13 22:28:34 2014 (45 days); last modified at Sat Mar 15 17:52:39 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 5 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 27s ago.	04:15
merlin1991	please md5sum usr/libexec/apt-worker from that extract	04:16
DocScrutinizer05	seems I got wrong info a 45 days back	04:16
DocScrutinizer05	np	04:16
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# md5sum ./usr/libexec/apt-worker	04:16
DocScrutinizer05	f96dffa9c5615d5bcd704b889243fbc6 ./usr/libexec/apt-worker	04:16
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# md5sum /usr/libexec/apt-worker	04:17
DocScrutinizer05	f96dffa9c5615d5bcd704b889243fbc6 /usr/libexec/apt-worker	04:17
DocScrutinizer05	note the tiny diff in the two pastes	04:18
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* merlin1991 got the feeling you made a mistake		04:20
merlin1991	124054608af9baf3b92ed6ea477915f3 is the md5sum of the current cssu-testing apt-worker	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:/home/user/MyDocs/tmp/speedy# find . -type f -exec cmp {} /{} \;	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	./etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues /./etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues differieren: Byte 12, Zeile 1.	04:21
merlin1991	well whatever you're comparing, your installed ham is not cssu-testing 9.1 ham	04:22
DocScrutinizer05	http://privatepaste.com/7cf96bed8f	04:22
merlin1991	well this is the md5sums file taken directly from within the deb for 2.2.72-5 http://privatepaste.com/ad24a2ea69	04:24
DocScrutinizer05	http://privatepaste.com/a962959649	04:24
merlin1991	so if your /usr/libexec/apt-worker is not 124054608af9baf3b92ed6ea477915f3 then your instalation does not match your dpkg status	04:25
DocScrutinizer05	my dpkg-status?	04:26
DocScrutinizer05	which status?	04:26
merlin1991	that status of the dpkg database	04:26
DocScrutinizer05	well, wtf?	04:27
merlin1991	your device wtf did you do?	04:27
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DocScrutinizer05	http://privatepaste.com/6f34e4603d	04:28
merlin1991	run md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/hildon-application-manager.md5sums from /	04:28
merlin1991	that should check if your installation fits what dpkg thinks is installed	04:28
DocScrutinizer05	FUUUCK it installed despite throwing errors	04:31
DocScrutinizer05	http://privatepaste.com/af8c7f0d25	04:31
merlin1991	yep I just read your earlier paste, is says	04:32
merlin1991	dpkg: error processing hildon-application-manager (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured	04:32
merlin1991	but configure comes after unpack ...	04:32
DocScrutinizer05	errr aha	04:32
merlin1991	and dpkg has no rollback	04:33
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	04:33
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DocScrutinizer05	so it installed a binary that has unmet dependencies, niiiice	04:33
DocScrutinizer05	ffs, I created a backup of /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	hahahaha	04:35
merlin1991	just install http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.72-5_armel.deb if you want to roll back	04:36
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder if that stuff ruined any of my config files	04:37
DocScrutinizer05	sources.list etc	04:37
DocScrutinizer05	but then, I can restore those now very easily ;-) \o/	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	thanks enable-catalogs	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	speedyHAM works! :-D FREAKING FAAAAAAAAAAST!	04:38
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DocScrutinizer05	of course it messed up my sources.list or whatever	04:42
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DocScrutinizer05	but I actually changed catalogs in HAM, enabled extras-devel and disabled extras-testing, HAM did download and update all the enabled catalogs, then I switched from "install" to "update2 when it agan updated all catalogs and then showed me 4 updates available. All in the 4 min from post two up till one up	04:45
DocScrutinizer05	that's so incredibly fast you couldn't belive it even when seeing it with your own eyes	04:46
DocScrutinizer05	particularly when you used stock HAM before	04:46
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: thanks!	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder how fast it could get when swotching to maemo-extras-devel-lite now	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	switching	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	:-D	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	we probably should integrate some sleep() to allow users to think about what they want to install and if they really want to do tha ;-)	04:49
DocScrutinizer05	that's a really nice experience for today	04:51
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DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: I owe you an evening with booze on me, for speedyham	05:04
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DocScrutinizer51	really wow	05:13
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DocScrutinizer05	with -devel-light it got again a noticeable kick faster	05:15
DocScrutinizer05	so awesome you could start to love HAM	05:16
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Venemo	DocScrutinizer05: ping	13:44
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dreamer	hi all, I'm looking for an easy way to make a simple desktop widget. any tips?	16:31
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DocScrutinizer05	queen beecon?	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	prolly as easy as it gets	16:40
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dreamer	DocScrutinizer05: cool. other than being fugly it seems more or less what I need so I'll have a look ;)	17:19
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DocScrutinizer05	I think fugly is up to your config. I seem to recall you can have your own background image and maybe even shape	17:42
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sixwheeledbeast	dreamer: QBW is very fixable, what do you want the widget to do?	18:23
dreamer	two potential things, which I can both do with curl, which I just installed	18:24
dreamer	so I'll see what I can make with that :)	18:24
dreamer	and there is awk, so yeah I can do what I want, I think	18:25
dreamer	will have to write a nice script to wrap it all :)	18:25
Sicelo	does speedyHAM allow to install libraries for example? in HAM a lot of stuff can't really be seen..	18:28
sixwheeledbeast	Sicelo: speedyHAM is HAM on speed, no extra functions	18:30
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sixwheeledbeast	dreamer: so you wish to run scripts?	18:30
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dreamer	sixwheeledbeast: from what I read that's what QBW does, no?	18:33
sixwheeledbeast	the reason I ask is it is possible to create your own hildon style shortcut if you don't like the look of QBW	18:33
sixwheeledbeast	QBW is more flexible than running scripts, it can output data to the desktop widget	18:34
dreamer	ok, well QBW does update the colour, which is nice for what I want	18:34
sixwheeledbeast	QBW it is then	18:34
dreamer	I'm looking to do two things: check a json file for a value (and change an icon based on that) and do a http POST request with one of two possible values (which is determined by the first action)	18:35
dreamer	so i'm thinking of some hackery around curl and awk	18:35
sixwheeledbeast	This is why I asked what it was for :) if it was to simply run or open something you could make a shortcut. Much like I have for opening a particular spreadsheet file.	18:37
sixwheeledbeast	Have a look at the examples on the QBW thread and QBW wiki page for help.	18:37
dreamer	yeah I want to do more than that	18:37
dreamer	yeah I'll see when my motivation is up ;)	18:37
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DocScrutinizer05	I had a QBW widget to switch on/off auto-connect_to_WLAN, showed green when on and red when off	18:50
DocScrutinizer05	showing own IP is another nice widget	18:50
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DocScrutinizer05	reading out battery charge from bq27200 comes to mind	18:51
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sixwheeledbeast	DocScrutinizer05: that sounds useful	18:53
sixwheeledbeast	I found external IP widgets can cause h-d to hang if your not careful	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	hmm yeah, you for sure should make sure that your script behind the QBW widget returns soonish	18:56
DocScrutinizer05	since all widgets run inside the main H-D thread	18:56
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DocScrutinizer05	so one single bad widget can nuke your whole desktop	18:56
DocScrutinizer05	and a segfaulting widget can even cause a bootloop	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	pretty unfortunate system design	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	somebody must've been on crack	18:58
sixwheeledbeast	python is terrible for leaking into h-d	19:07
ecc3g	friendly FM widget = desktop killer for me...	19:20
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sixwheeledbeast	IMO the longer you have your N900 the less third-party widgetz you bother with.	19:44
sixwheeledbeast	I currently only have OMWeather installed, when I first started I did have 10 QBW's and allsorts but I got fed up with h-d hanging and slow performance.	19:48
sixwheeledbeast	Slowly they got removed	19:49
ecc3g	some widgets seem stable ... OMWeather seems stable	19:53
sixwheeledbeast	:nod: its a PITA to find a rogue one tho.	19:54
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ShadowJK	I used to have 0 widgets, now I have a few weblinks	20:07
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wizbit	is there a way to make a n900 / maemo boot so it shows the linux kernel log?	21:20
wizbit	also, does maemo do a fsck when it boots?	21:20
NIN101	load the fbcon module at boot time, assuming the kernel you are using has it.	21:25
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wizbit	Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown	21:26
wizbit	FATAL: Module fbcon not found.	21:27
wizbit	:D	21:27
wizbit	is it worth using the power kernel: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Installing_the_Stable_Kernel	21:27
wizbit	?	21:27
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DocScrutinizer05	well, for fbcon for sure	21:38
DocScrutinizer05	also for another few negligences like USB hostmode, netfilters/NAT etc	21:39
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wizbit	DocScrutinizer05: do i need the U-Boot kernel	21:48
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wizbit	or just: Linux kernel for power user	21:48
DocScrutinizer05	do you have uboot installed?	21:48
wizbit	i installed that menu thing	21:48
wizbit	im not sure if its uboot	21:48
DocScrutinizer05	that's BM, right?	21:48
wizbit	BootMenu	21:49
wizbit	yes	21:49
DocScrutinizer05	that's not uBoot	21:49
wizbit	right ok	21:49
DocScrutinizer05	so no, you don't need uBoot kernel	21:49
wizbit	I will now install using HAM: Linux kernel for power user	21:49
DocScrutinizer05	go ahead	21:49
wizbit	ace :D	21:49
wizbit	this is like a mini computer	21:49
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DocScrutinizer05	this IS a mini computer	21:49
wizbit	oh yes :D	21:50
DocScrutinizer05	and Nokia never got the catch on that particular fact	21:50
DocScrutinizer05	N9 is not	21:50
jdoles	I keep discovering new features in mine.	21:50
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DocScrutinizer05	wizbit: you might want to go for speedyham	21:51
wizbit	ok	21:51
wizbit	i think fsck is important, i think the power kernel supports that?	21:51
jdoles	speedyham? Is that like HAM, but 'not slow'?	21:51
RiD	~speedyHAM	21:51
infobot	i heard speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb	21:51
RiD	never heard of it... what did I miss?	21:52
DocScrutinizer05	https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-04-28.log.html#t2014-04-28T03:17:10	21:52
wizbit	how do you do a reboot so BootMenu appears? if i use the power off feature from the title bar, it just reboots without showing BootMenu	21:53
DocScrutinizer05	open slider	21:53
DocScrutinizer05	backupmenu	21:54
wizbit	ok	21:54
RiD	so speedyham is out... since today?	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	it's not really out at all yet	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	next CSSU-T release will have it, i heard	21:54
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RiD	cool, i'll wait for it	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	no, you don't want to wait for that AWESOME improvement :-D	21:55
DocScrutinizer05	make a BM backup, do http://privatepaste.com/6f34e4603d	21:55
wizbit	would be nice to get rid of that nokia hand shake video when it boots lol	21:55
DocScrutinizer05	wizbit: see	21:55
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	21:55
infobot	methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	21:55
wizbit	ok :D	21:56
RiD	any more wishes? lol	21:56
wizbit	one last one, can the phone go into portrait mode	21:56
DocScrutinizer05	install CSSU-T	21:56
RiD	DocScrutinizer05 i haven't installed much these times, my n900 has seen busier days	21:56
wizbit	wow	21:56
wizbit	Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l unknown	21:56
RiD	(still primary device)	21:57
wizbit	is CSSU-T = thumb?	21:57
DocScrutinizer05	no	21:57
DocScrutinizer05	cssu-t is a subset of cssu-thumb	21:57
wizbit	i havent install thumb yet	21:58
DocScrutinizer05	T like Testing	21:58
wizbit	do i just activate the thumb repo and update?	21:58
DocScrutinizer05	~cssu	21:58
infobot	rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU	21:58
wizbit	im running CSSU	21:58
wizbit	but not thumb	21:58
DocScrutinizer05	(actually even CSSU-S can do portrait mode, but the widget to enable it is missing)	21:59
wizbit	i think my phone contacts went into portrait mode somehow	21:59
wizbit	but im not sure how i did it	21:59
RiD	ctrl+shift+r?	21:59
wizbit	its not essential	21:59
RiD	i think it worked in pr1.2 or something	21:59
DocScrutinizer05	dialer (incl "show contacts") has an option to go to portrait even in stock	22:00
RiD	aha	22:00
DocScrutinizer05	see menu in dialer	22:00
RiD	wizbit you won't find yourself using it in portrait that often anyways	22:00
wizbit	true	22:00
wizbit	does the power kernel do a auto fsck when it boots?	22:00
DocScrutinizer05	every kernel does (not, since system does)	22:01
wizbit	DocScrutinizer05: does it need setting up from fstab?	22:01
DocScrutinizer05	no	22:01
wizbit	ok :D	22:01
DocScrutinizer05	NAND has ubifs which per definition doesn't need nor have fsck	22:01
wizbit	ace :D	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	MyDocs is VFAT and sysinit scripts do fsck when needed	22:02
wizbit	would it be better if MyDocs was ext3?	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	and I FINALLY WANT THAT NOTIFICATION LED BLINK RED when fsck is running	22:03
wizbit	good idea	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	wizbit: depends. you can't mass storage mount it then	22:03
wizbit	yep true, also should i change swap partition? like you said?	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	that's critical. If you dare you can give it a try	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	but then your system will stall when opening battery cover	22:04
wizbit	ok if its critical, i will do it!	22:04
wizbit	i will turn off system if i need to remove battery cover	22:04
RiD	lol	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	it's not generally recommended for "normal users"	22:05
DocScrutinizer05	I for one never really used it, I tested it once	22:05
wizbit	ok i wont bother doing it?!	22:05
DocScrutinizer05	fund the effect to be marginal for me since I'm humble with RAM usage	22:05
wizbit	ok	22:05
DocScrutinizer05	found*	22:05
wizbit	so there is only 1 think left, CSSU-THUMB	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	wait with that!	22:06
wizbit	oh ok	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	at least one month	22:06
wizbit	ok	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	make yourself familiar with "stock" maemo	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	thumb is clumsy to handle	22:06
wizbit	ok will do	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	sometimes	22:06
wizbit	i have a root ssh password, i login via root	22:07
wizbit	should i set a passwword for User instead and disable root ssh login?	22:07
DocScrutinizer05	OOOH keep in mind your BM backups need the right kernel when restoring	22:07
DocScrutinizer05	you can't restore a BM backup to a different kernel	22:07
wizbit	i havent backed up yet :D	22:07
DocScrutinizer05	dman you! ;-P	22:08
wizbit	want to get system setup just right then i will	22:08
DocScrutinizer05	you should do a backup before you messed up stuff by trying to get it right ;-)	22:08
wizbit	ohhh	22:08
DocScrutinizer05	and of course again after succeeding	22:08
DocScrutinizer05	;)	22:08
wizbit	well it seems ok now, im not going to put much more on it	22:09
wizbit	i will backup soon	22:09
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DocScrutinizer05	cmd: Today is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180	22:09
DocScrutinizer05	bbl	22:09
wizbit	oh yes there is one last problem	22:10
wizbit	i added a Skype account	22:10
wizbit	but i cannot get a video call option to show	22:10
wizbit	it looks like the n900 has a front facing camera	22:10
DocScrutinizer05	hmmm, you don't wanna know my advice regarding skype	22:10
wizbit	well my friends and family are on it, im not a great fan of it either	22:11
DocScrutinizer05	afaik skype video should "work" via frontcam	22:11
jdoles	Yeah, it "works".	22:11
jdoles	The resolution is "terrible".	22:11
wizbit	maybe the power kernel will make it work	22:11
wizbit	lol	22:11
DocScrutinizer05	skype kills your battery	22:12
jdoles	If you want a working solution, get the iPhone stuff.	22:12
wizbit	eeek	22:12
wizbit	no thanks	22:12
wizbit	maybe google video might be better	22:12
jdoles	AFAIK, Apple has the best tech there now.	22:12
jdoles	Now, it might do worse along other dimensions.	22:12
jdoles	I wasn't talking about that.	22:12
wizbit	aye ok	22:13
wizbit	my friends think i have a cheap old calculator, little do they know... hehe	22:13
jdoles	I also won't buy a new "phone" until I can upgrade to something which is still a "mini computer".	22:13
wizbit	me too	22:13
wizbit	neo900	22:13
wizbit	i wonder if the neo900 has a better front camera	22:14
DocScrutinizer05	sipgate.de	22:14
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wizbit	i use giffgaff in UK	22:14
DocScrutinizer05	no, the cameras are all the same. Particularly front cam	22:14
wizbit	ok its no big deal	22:14
DocScrutinizer05	if you wanna do video calls, use a decent laptop or desktop PC	22:15
wizbit	yep	22:15
DocScrutinizer05	you don't wanna stare at your phone while running into a bus	22:15
wizbit	LOL	22:16
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jdoles	DocScrutinizer05: but phones are going to make laptops absolute!?!	22:16
jdoles	That was a joke, including the spelling.	22:17
DocScrutinizer05	since skype is M$, you won't be a happy surfer with it on any other platform than windoze anyway, for much longer	22:17
wizbit	there is a google video app in a repo	22:17
jdoles	DocScrutinizer05: I think the economics have changed on that already.	22:17
jdoles	DocScrutinizer05: in enterprises people want to have Linux support now too.	22:17
DocScrutinizer05	OMG, poor maemo	22:18
jdoles	DocScrutinizer05: effectively, people are using stuff like Google Hangouts, even though there are proprietary systems which only run on commercial OSs.	22:18
wizbit	what are cool things to show on desktop, i have the weather showing with some shortcuts	22:18
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wizbit	and the media player	22:18
DocScrutinizer05	try wifi-eye	22:20
wizbit	ok	22:20
DocScrutinizer05	sometimes comes in handy to analyze the RF landscape	22:20
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, you mean widgets?	22:20
wizbit	yes	22:20
DocScrutinizer05	wifieye is no widget	22:21
DocScrutinizer05	I have a few contacts shortcuts to directly call some of my freinds with two clicks	22:21
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wizbit	some system info would be nice	22:21
DocScrutinizer05	I have a shortcut to "settings"	22:21
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DocScrutinizer05	load applet is all the "system info2 I realy need	22:22
wizbit	i installed load applet	22:22
wizbit	does that create the icons in the title bar	22:22
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DocScrutinizer05	yes	22:22
wizbit	ohhh nice	22:22
DocScrutinizer05	left is CPU, right is memory usage	22:22
wizbit	i dont see that	22:23
DocScrutinizer05	when CPU is in the red, you prolly should wait for something to finish	22:23
wizbit	imaybe it isnt on there after all	22:23
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wizbit	i do have this	22:26
wizbit	http://my-maemo.com/grafika/load-applet.jpg	22:26
DocScrutinizer05	the lower left two are buttons for screenshot and screencast from load applet	22:28
DocScrutinizer05	the real thing sits in the systray	22:28
DocScrutinizer05	next to the battery icon	22:28
wizbit	DocScrutinizer05: my icons look pretty much like this	22:29
wizbit	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Maemo5-screenshot.png	22:29
wizbit	those bars on the left are for cpu?	22:30
wizbit	*right	22:30
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, and your cpu is in 0.5 bars, mam at 2 bars	22:30
wizbit	i thought that was wifi signal lol	22:30
DocScrutinizer05	wifi is left of green dot	22:31
wizbit	ace	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	why is your GPS enabled?	22:31
wizbit	im going to try this script so i can videos playing ok	22:31
wizbit	https://code.google.com/p/vikrant-incubator/source/browse/ruby/ffmpeg_n900.rb	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	is that OK?	22:31
wizbit	DocScrutinizer05: thats not my screen	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	aaah	22:32
wizbit	then i can watch movies on the train	22:32
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wizbit	it works :D	22:43
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wizbit	perfect res	22:45
wizbit	ffmpeg -i "test.mp4" -vcodec libx264 -vpre hq -vpre ipod640 -b 800k -s 800x450 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k -ac 2 "test.mp4.n900.mp4"	22:45
wizbit	actually i took away the hq preset for my version of ffmpeg	22:45
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wizbit	i have to admit, this phone + maemo is _AWESOME_	22:57
bencoh	:)	22:57
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: speedyham in cssu-devel repo depends on newer libglib as it was compiled on a system(SB) upgraded to the latest -testing. Which introduced upgraded libglib	22:58
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: yes, thought as much. But that's not what it should do	22:59
freemangordon	prolly, but I don;t see a way to correctly handle that	22:59
DocScrutinizer05	dependencies should be tailored to the actualy need, which is usually "a lib compatible to..."	22:59
freemangordon	I know, but this dependency doesn't come from debian/control	23:00
DocScrutinizer05	freakin shite	23:00
freemangordon	it is auto-generated	23:00
freemangordon	by dh_ scripts	23:00
DocScrutinizer05	that's kinda buggy	23:00
freemangordon	I wouldn't say it is, after all those scripts take what is currently installed as a minimum needed version, which makes sense	23:01
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: also, upgrading libglib is not that scary :P	23:02
freemangordon	the same comes for libpixman	23:03
freemangordon	(auto-generated dependency)	23:03
DocScrutinizer05	I'm tempted to hexedit the .deb to s/libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0)/libglib2.0-0 (>= 0.00.0)/	23:04
Ashley`	debs suck :c	23:05
DocScrutinizer05	what an idiocy to specify a particular version for everything	23:05
freemangordon	no need to hexedit the .deb	23:05
freemangordon	just edit ... umm... where it was	23:05
freemangordon	well dpkg database, it should be somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg or /usr/lib/dpkg	23:06
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freemangordon	it is a plaintext file	23:06
Ashley`	hexediting deb may not be that easy	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	what for? would that fix the issue for others?	23:06
freemangordon	:nod:	23:06
Ashley`	its gzipped tar in ar	23:06
freemangordon	for "others" there is no issu	23:06
freemangordon	*issue	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	aha	23:07
bencoh	yup, just ar x/tar x	23:07
freemangordon	you're installing stuff from cssu-devel repo	23:07
freemangordon	~cssu-devel	23:07
DocScrutinizer05	so what?	23:07
infobot	i guess cssu-devel is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292, or extremely deprecated for any non-developer	23:07
freemangordon	it may eat your brain	23:07
freemangordon	:P	23:07
bencoh	brains are overrated anyway	23:07
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not interested in this type of discussion	23:07
freemangordon	speedyham is cssu material, you may try to install it on your x86 PC and complain that it is not compatible and has missing dependencies	23:08
freemangordon	as well	23:08
DocScrutinizer05	it sounds like "look you're not supposed to use it anyway, so I fucked it up to make sure you get a headache when you nevertheless do"	23:08
freemangordon	and you are well aware that cssu policy is "take it or leave it"	23:09
freemangordon	ofc not	23:09
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not interested in your policy either	23:09
freemangordon	It is not me put that dependency to make your life harder	23:09
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freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: just git clone and build it in non-cssu SB	23:10
freemangordon	you'll have your dependency in place	23:10
freemangordon	*dependencies	23:10
DocScrutinizer05	please tell that wizbit	23:10
freemangordon	well, the real problem is that last cssu-stable update was more than year ago, correct?	23:11
DocScrutinizer05	I got my "dependencies in place" already	23:11
DocScrutinizer05	the real problem is that the .deb is fucked up so it's not usable on stock maemo	23:11
freemangordon	it was never meant to be usable on stock maemo. period	23:12
DocScrutinizer05	I don't care. period	23:12
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freemangordon	aaaand... my nokia developer account has been terminated :)	23:14
DocScrutinizer05	shrug	23:15
freemangordon	OMG:	23:15
freemangordon	Nokia account <comms-NokiaAccount-noreply at nokia dot microsoft dot com>	23:16
DocScrutinizer05	what else did you expect?	23:16
freemangordon	nothing, but my eyes started to bleed :)	23:16
DocScrutinizer05	wait till you do a whois on the (then deceased) maemo.org domain	23:17
freemangordon	yeah :(	23:17
DocScrutinizer05	prolly pointing to mobilephones.microsoft.com then, by CNAME	23:18
freemangordon	maybe we should act pro-actively and change HAM catalogues in advance	23:18
DocScrutinizer05	I suggested that several times during last 12 months or so	23:18
freemangordon	but I guess that should come from the council	23:18
DocScrutinizer05	last time I checked I been council member	23:19
freemangordon	I know	23:19
DocScrutinizer05	only 2 more weeks though	23:19
freemangordon	do something then	23:19
freemangordon	we have the tool to do it (you-know-which-package)	23:20
DocScrutinizer05	yes	23:20
DocScrutinizer05	but I'm out of this business, fed up by the flaming and bullying	23:20
DocScrutinizer05	and the ignorance	23:21
freemangordon	when is the next council meeting? tomorrow?	23:22
DocScrutinizer05	go ask HiFo which decade of which century they hope to finalize their negotiations with Nokia	23:22
DocScrutinizer05	and which fraction of the donations/fund they plan to dedicate to that task	23:24
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freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: whan is the next planned council meeting?	23:25
freemangordon	*when	23:25
DocScrutinizer05	while a domain registration already costs ~10EUR/year, and I'm not willing to pay any more cent from my own pocket, and I'm also not willing to accept any more donations to my private account just to hear about tax evasion and forgery and whatnot	23:26
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: NFC, it seems there are no regular meetings anymore	23:26
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freemangordon	cool :(	23:26
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DocScrutinizer05	at least there are no meeting minutes, right?	23:27
DocScrutinizer05	I also can't see any activity of council to start next elections	23:28
DocScrutinizer05	I explaned like 5 times that this time I won't push those	23:29
DocScrutinizer05	first time I did explain been _before_ last elections	23:29
DocScrutinizer05	there's simply nobody interested anymore, in anything related to maemo	23:30
DocScrutinizer05	particularly not in electroate	23:31
wizbit	typing in my complex passwords is quite difficult on a n900	23:32
wizbit	i might setup ssh keys	23:32
wizbit	can the n900 browser remember passwords?	23:32
xes	inz: ping	23:33
RiD	wizbit quite a basic feature.. the answer is obviously yes	23:35
wizbit	eeek my dmesg says lots of times	23:36
wizbit	wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bf52c - sending probe request	23:36
wizbit	is it safe to issue a: reboot from the terminal ?	23:38
DocScrutinizer05	yes	23:39
wizbit	ace	23:39
DocScrutinizer05	basically	23:39
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.google.de/search?q=cf1bf52c	23:39
inz	xes, pong?	23:40
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xes	hi inz! If i'm not wrong you were the maintainer of http://maemo-hackers.org... Isn't it?	23:41
inz	I was, yes	23:41
wizbit	seems ok after reboot	23:42
xes	about the repo and sources, is everything lost?	23:42
wizbit	DocScrutinizer05: sorry to repeat, how can i launch BackupMenu when it boots?	23:43
Ashley`	open keyboard?	23:43
Ashley`	and maybe press something	23:43
wizbit	it was open?!	23:43
Ashley`	hm	23:43
Ashley`	then i dont remember	23:44
wizbit	i installed a new kernel	23:44
wizbit	i wonder if that wipes it	23:44
wizbit	ill try again	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	full boot	23:44
wizbit	DocScrutinizer05: how can i do that ?	23:44
wizbit	reboot from terminal?	23:44
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DocScrutinizer05	easiest way: switch device on	23:44
inz	xes, they're not lost, still on the disk; put them online at: http://inz.fi/mh-apt/	23:45
DocScrutinizer05	from terminal a shutdown -r now should do	23:46
wizbit	it works	23:46
wizbit	with keyboard open	23:46
wizbit	:D	23:46
DocScrutinizer05	though i'm not sure it has the right bootreason for BM then	23:46
wizbit	its time to get the nokia booting so it shows the kernel log, like a proper linux box :D	23:48
wizbit	wow	23:48
wizbit	http://i.imgur.com/9Sjs3.jpg	23:48
xes	inz: if you don't mind, i would like to mirror these contents and ask our council to keep a copy into repository.maemo.org	23:49
inz	xes, if you feel like there's something worth saving, then sure =)	23:50
DocScrutinizer05	xes: simply go ahead, there's basically no council that will decide on such stuff anymore. Heck it's even unclear it seems if council is allowed to decide such stuff, when you ever were to ask HiFo	23:51
xes	inz: thank you! I'm going to mirror that and proceed asking about keeping a copy into repository.maemo.org	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	while for me it's unclear if HiFo has to decide on anything, considering they don't have any paper at hand	23:53
DocScrutinizer05	it all boils down to "ask M$ or simply do it"	23:54
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xes	DocScrutinizer05: since in my opinion these contents are useful, let's proceed step by step	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	what you gonna do when in two weeks maemo.org is a CNAME to mobilephones.microsoft.com ?	23:58
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