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xesinz: ping01:54
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sixwheeledbeastsnore...~pkg taking an age to load...11:30
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wizbitanybody know how to turn the screen on via vnc when it goes blank?13:05
wizbiton a n90013:05
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arceanwizbit: ?13:46
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Maxdamantusdevdraw from plan9port has the input problem, though it already seems to do the stuff in the xev patch.17:27
* Maxdamantus wonders what the problem is exactly.17:27
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what's devdraw from plan9port18:05
MaxdamantusA program that translates between libx11 and the draw file interface from Plan 9.18:08
Maxdamantuswell, it has some OS X component that presumably supports Quartz or something too, but not using that.18:09
MaxdamantusThe input actually goes to another window.18:10
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freemangordonmerlin1991: ping22:16
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freemangordonmerlin1991: it seems the package slang2 has caused extras queue manager to stuck. that packages is already in the SDK repo, so I guess that is the reason for not being promoted to extras22:21
freemangordonmerlin1991: see
freemangordonI think we should "promote" it by hand and remove it from the "incoming" folder, but it is up to you to decide/do it22:22
freemangordonmerlin1991: that is on stage at maemo dot org22:23
freemangordonmerlin1991: anyway, I'll move slang2 packages to a temp folder to allow the queue to run until you decide what to be done22:28
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DocScrutinizer05rationale: any SDK package should get provided by Nokia maemo base repos, not by maemo-extras22:57
DocScrutinizer05seems Nokia failed on that for libslang22:57
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: what's the exact rule in autobuilder to stop the promotion? does it check against nokia base repos (correct) or against maemo-SDK repo (basically incorrect)?22:58
freemangordonno idea, should check22:59
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: i know my N900 battery is old now, but what would cause bq27200 to report that the capacity of the battery is 2056mAh?23:12
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Siceloand when charging, somewhere after 50%, i will jump to 100%23:14
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: reset to EEPROM values, which happens basically on every battery swap23:24
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# bq27k-detail2|grep -A 1 ILMD23:26
DocScrutinizer05   0x76:        45  ILMD Initial Last Measured Discharge High Byte     914  µVh (1)  R/W23:26
DocScrutinizer05                    *0x100 * 3.57 / 20 =  2062 mAh fabcoded cell capacity23:26
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: something you're using to read out that value resp the "0x13 - 0x12:  6738   LMD Last Measured Discharge" derived from it on chip reset is using slightly different math than my script does23:27
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DocScrutinizer05thus 2056mAh vs 2062 mAh23:28
DocScrutinizer05the raw value is a byte "45"23:29
DocScrutinizer05~45 * 0x100 * 3.57 / 2023:30
DocScrutinizer05~45 * 256 * 3.57 / 2023:30
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Sicelosorry, yes, it shows 206223:30
Sicelothis is even with removing and re-inserting battery23:30
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly when removing and re-inserting battery23:31
DocScrutinizer05which does the chip reset23:31
Siceloah, lol. i'm not reading correctly. i get you now23:31
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder wtf makes bash think this value was 206223:36
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DocScrutinizer05oooh I used another formula internally23:38
DocScrutinizer05bash can't do fraction math23:38
Siceloone more thing .. when charging from completely empty, the LED will not be steady amber at first, but very faint 'beeps'23:38
T_Xwhat's the best way for copying the software of one n900 to another one? I have 0xFFFF here, but looks like it's only able to write but not read and create a fiasco image via usb23:39
DocScrutinizer05echo "   0x76:     `pv 0x76`"        " ILMD Initial Last Measured Discharge High Byte     914  µVh (1)  R/W"23:39
DocScrutinizer05echo "                    *0x100 * 3.57 / 20 = " $(( `pv 0x76 0x00` * 179 / 1000)) "mAh fabcoded cell capacity"23:39
SiceloT_X: i would try backupmenu.. as long as you ensure both N900 are running same kernel version23:40
T_Xis there some live image offering 0xFFFF directly on the device and an ssh or telnet console?23:40
DocScrutinizer05`pv 0x76 0x00` is as wrong as it might get23:41
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: beeps?23:42
Siceloyes, (english)23:42
T_XSicelo: they are probably not. the one n900 is a stock one afaik (the one I want to copy to). the other has u-boot, an additional power kernel and backupmenu (the one I want to copy from)23:42
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: then it wasn't THAT empty to cause emergency charging23:43
DocScrutinizer05or you got a charger that's really weird, or a battery that's almost totally broken23:43
DocScrutinizer05particularly if LED really blinks on/off instead of fading in and out23:43
Siceloyes, blinks on off, and it's very faint23:44
DocScrutinizer05T_X: works23:44
DocScrutinizer05just install uBoot again on target23:45
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: very short dim flashes?23:45
DocScrutinizer05error message from charger chip bq2415023:45
Sicelook. what does it signify?23:46
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DocScrutinizer05can mean a lot, from power-not-good on USB (you see one single such flash on removing USB charger plug), to battery-not-detected23:46
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T_Xmaybe I'm a little too much of a perfectionist now, but would have prefered doing a 1:1 copy23:47
DocScrutinizer05battery detection works by probing for 0V and then checking for instant high voltage (4V or whatever) when charger starts charging23:47
DocScrutinizer05T_X: this is as 1:1 as it gets23:47
DocScrutinizer05you can't copy kernel, at least not simple23:48
DocScrutinizer05kernel needs flashing, and uBoot basically *is* a "kernel"23:48
Siceloi'm tempted to reopen the device, and solder the 4 or 5 USB pins. i did not do this before, but only soldered the port in place, because on pc, everything works as it should.23:48
DocScrutinizer05it goes to NAND partition "kernel"23:48
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: oooh, that explains a lot23:49
Siceloit is just that i don't understand how the device can work flawlessly with pc (both charging and data transfer), but have such problems with charging23:50
freemangordonSicelo: 500 vs 1200 mA?23:50
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DocScrutinizer05for example23:51
freemangordonSicelo: what is the charger?23:51
Sicelothe original one23:51
DocScrutinizer05the "parasitic" series resistance in VBUS might simply be too high to provide the minimum of 4.5V at 900mA23:52
Siceloi will do this 'surgery' wednesday, and see what happens23:52
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: use how air reflow tool if by any means available23:52
DocScrutinizer05it's pretty "impossible" to solder the 5 pins of a soldered-down USB, without doing major mech surgery on the device23:53
DocScrutinizer05with soldering iron23:54
DocScrutinizer05hot air otoh is easy peasy23:54
DocScrutinizer05just blow hot air into the gap until solder reflows23:54
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DocScrutinizer05which usually magically will fix any loose pins23:54
Siceloi don't have access to this :(23:55
freemangordonSicelo: a gas iron? usually you can use it like that23:56
DocScrutinizer05visit an arbitrary phonbe repair shop, they should23:56
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Siceloi'll check23:57
DocScrutinizer05then ... did you finally check the receptacle's and plugs' contacts springs?23:57
Sicelothere are few places here which do that kind of thing. once it comes to that level, you're generally advised to get a new phone23:57
DocScrutinizer05I've seen debris on them, or even bent ones, more than once23:58
DocScrutinizer05for micro USB you definitely need a magnifier glass to inspect23:58
Siceloi did check DocScrutinizer05. in the end, i concluded that the jack on the N900 charger was faulty, so i cut it, and connected the 'barrel' type connector, which then goes to the nokia adapter23:59
Siceloat least this way i can charge, with the problems already mentioned23:59
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: one faulty connector usually damaged the counterpart connector too23:59

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