IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-04-25

wizbitexcellent CSSU installed :D00:02
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wizbitDocScrutinizer05: its awesome00:44
wizbitinstalled D-theme night00:44
wizbitDocScrutinizer05: do you use the built in browser or another00:44
wizbitand also, the only problem i have with the n900 is when scrolling up and down using touch screen00:45
wizbiti keep on selecting things by mistake, can the keyboard be used to scroll up and down, the arrow keys dont seem to do anything00:45
jogayou mean in browser?00:47
wizbitand if i go to applictions, and scroll down, i keep on hitting a app by mistake00:48
wizbiti just ssh'd into it00:48
jogatry space and shift+space00:48
wizbitLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown00:48
jogalike pgdn/pgup00:48
jogaI find that during load it's good to keep the finger down a bit longer before ending gesture00:49
jogaso it doesn't take a tap out of it00:50
wizbitace, space works good in the browser :)00:50
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jogathere are also quite a few more shortcuts for various things
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wizbitjoga: what browser do you use00:57
wizbitthe built in one seems fine, but maybe people use different ones for various reasons00:58
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wizbitHAM doesnt show wget01:08
wizbitcan i install it via apt-get install wget?01:08
bencohhow comes HAM doesnt show it ?01:10
wizbitim not sure01:11
wizbitlets see if HAM shows vim01:12
DocScrutinizer51some pkgs are not on user group (mainly libs)01:13
wizbitvim is in ham01:13
DocScrutinizer51HAM only shows user group01:13
wizbitand mplayer :D01:14
DocScrutinizer51I use microB (builtin browser)01:14
wizbityep that seems quite nice, is it secure?01:15
DocScrutinizer51most stuff is safe to apt-get install. Some is NOT01:15
DocScrutinizer51well, secure enough I guess01:16
wizbiti installed bash401:16
wizbitbut when i hit terminal it launches busybox01:16
DocScrutinizer51toldya to type "bash"01:17
infobotrumour has it, jrtools is
DocScrutinizer51making bash user's default shell is somewhat dangerous01:19
DocScrutinizer51once years ago initscripts/xsession been spiced with busyboxisms01:20
DocScrutinizer51making bash default caused bootloop01:21
DocScrutinizer51bash4 lacks 'help'01:22
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DocScrutinizer51dunno why but I reverted to bash3 iirc01:25
DocScrutinizer51GNU bash, version 3.2.33(2)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnu)01:26
DocScrutinizer51wizbit: heard of Neo900 ?01:27
DocScrutinizer51(shameless advertising)01:27
wizbityes i have01:28
wizbitthey are expensive01:28
wizbitbut sound nice01:28
wizbitis it worth the upgrade once they are a reasonable price?01:29
DocScrutinizer51please don't ask me, I'm biased ;)01:30
wizbitthat probably means yes01:30
DocScrutinizer51but for sure I'd like to sell one to you01:30
wizbithow much are they now01:31
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DocScrutinizer51we still hope for less than 700EUR for the board01:32
wizbiti just lauched maps01:32
wizbitand it says looking for GPS01:33
DocScrutinizer51with much luck we reach 50001:33
wizbitill see how i get on with the n90001:33
wizbiti will keep that in mind for when i upgrade01:33
DocScrutinizer51yes, please do. Not everybody needs or wants a Neo90001:34
wizbitthey sound nice though01:34
wizbithow can i test if GPS is working properly?01:35
DocScrutinizer51get Location test01:35
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wizbitand one last question, is there a decent sat nav app for driving? or even walking?01:37
DocScrutinizer51check SUPL setting, make that google01:38
DocScrutinizer51there are like 4 or 5 nav apps01:38
DocScrutinizer51modrana, marble, maps, another one, and some I forgot01:39
DocScrutinizer51modrana developer is quite supportive01:39
wizbiti didnt realise there was so much apps available01:41
wizbitsurely this has more than the windows mobile platform :D01:41
DocScrutinizer51AGPS will fail epically when systemclock is off01:41
wizbitim installing modrana01:42
DocScrutinizer51M4rtinK will love to hear01:42
M4rtinKwizbit: let me know if you have any issues/improvement ideas :)01:43
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wizbitM4rtinK: ok :D01:45
M4rtinKshould be there tomorrow, now sleep time :)01:45
DocScrutinizer51n8 M4rtinK01:46
M4rtinKthanks! :)01:48
M4rtinKGod night! :)01:48
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DocScrutinizer51wizbit: on is a enable-catalogs that simplifies switching between extras-devel et al enabled and default. No more messing with HAM catalogs01:51
wizbiteeek i just plugged headphones into my n900 and they make a loud buzzing noise :/01:51
wizbitits a mp301:52
wizbitit plays fine on internal speakers01:52
DocScrutinizer51sorry, can't diagnose+fix from pub via my IroN90001:54
wizbiti think it could be sending video out?!01:54
DocScrutinizer51what I suspected01:54
DocScrutinizer51apple headset?01:55
DocScrutinizer51or 401:56
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wizbitno 401:56
DocScrutinizer51that SHOULD work01:56
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.01:56
DocScrutinizer51try 3pin01:57
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wizbitthe headphones what came with the phone work01:57
DocScrutinizer514th pin notconnected causes this problem01:57
DocScrutinizer51err 3rd01:58
DocScrutinizer51bad connection or polarity reversed on 2nd R of TRRG makes n900 think it's video01:59
DocScrutinizer51where did you get device, which condition, how much?02:00
wizbiti got it from amazon02:00
wizbitoh you mean the n900 or headphones02:01
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wizbiti got it on ebay02:01
wizbithold on02:01
DocScrutinizer51N900 here fleabay PITA02:02
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xesN900 "..New unused item..." 359 feedback...02:04
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DocScrutinizer51err 359bucks?02:05
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xeshi DocScrutinizer51!02:06
DocScrutinizer51hi master!02:06
xes359 seller's feedbacks02:06
wizbitother headphones are fine02:06
wizbithow annoying02:06
DocScrutinizer51wizbit: get adapter02:07
wizbitthe whole line is detachable02:07
wizbitfrom the headphone02:07
DocScrutinizer51on Neo900 you'd not need one ;)02:07
wizbitso maybe its the mic and volume control bit02:07
wizbitthe sound quality is good though02:08
wizbitand it goes loud02:08
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xesDocScrutinizer51: since some time i'm fighting with a random "Master sink "sink.hw0" not found" and related audio routing issue as described in some TMO thread... but so far i haven't found a solution. After a few reboots the error disappears and gsm calls again work with usual behavior02:14
wizbitim going to try and hold down the button on the headphone wire while i plug it in02:14
wizbitIT WORKS!!02:14
DocScrutinizer51xes: OUCH. cellmo popped ball?02:15
wizbitactually it doesnt work properly02:15
DocScrutinizer51wizbit: smartass :)02:15
wizbiti need a new line :D02:15
xesDocScrutinizer51: i don't think.. when it boots without the error it works for weeks without any issue02:16
DocScrutinizer51weird! share syslog02:16
xespulseaudio restart, modules unload, alsamixer save and restore = no go02:17
DocScrutinizer51I'm on mobile, no infra to search for proper anser02:18
DocScrutinizer51xes: please ping me tomorrow02:19
xesas described here: but no solution worked02:19
DocScrutinizer51xes: how's our infra?02:19
xesDocScrutinizer51: ok thanks02:19
DocScrutinizer51do you alreadz party for me not being around?02:20
xesDocScrutinizer51: i think that the best answer is: stall02:21
xesanyway.. no party02:22
DocScrutinizer51thought HiFo would do a megaparty to celebrate they got rid of my nagging02:24
DocScrutinizer51particularly chem|st02:27
* DocScrutinizer51 sarts having bizarre ideas about a referendum. Time to go offline02:34
xes..human points of view and related misunderstandings...we should add a new channel #maemo-fights to canalize all the unuseful bickering :)02:35
DocScrutinizer51not needed, I'm already stopping02:37
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DocScrutinizer51just worried about next elections. Possibly the ones known as imploding the maemo idea02:38
DocScrutinizer51s/mo /mo council/02:39
infobotDocScrutinizer51 meant: just worried about next elections. Possibly the ones known as imploding the maemo councilidea02:39
xesi'm not so negative... I think that under the hood the real engine is our community. If the head goes mad... well, the community can react02:41
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DocScrutinizer51buzzword electorate02:47
DocScrutinizer5110 karma, which karma??02:48
* DocScrutinizer51 should take care of own karma to make SURE he CANNOT get elected for anything next term02:52
DocScrutinizer51but that's peanuts, when we got no legitimate electorate02:53
* DocScrutinizer51 waves and engages the tklock switch02:55
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Sicelofinally caught me.. my N900 USB is loose13:03
Sicelobut after daily use, charging, since July 2011, i guess it was just about time, haha13:03
infoboti guess usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or, or you will basically need two irons13:04
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: any particular mistreatment?14:05
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zGrrmoin :)14:09
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DocScrutinizer05dang, still US$37015:07
Apic'the Fuck?15:08
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DocScrutinizer05too expensive to rip out the SoC for Neo900 ;-)15:21
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zGrrWill the Neo900 run on the same SoC?15:23
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DocScrutinizer05well, almost15:45
DocScrutinizer05particularly we can't find the unobtainium 1GB RAM + NAND PoP chip on top of the 3730 SoC. Nokia got a custom build for that chip, it's non-existent on the "free market"15:47
ApicB-( even15:48
DocScrutinizer05but on the bright side, we hope to use a 1GB RAM only PoP chip, and place the NAND we need on a discrete chip15:50
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wizbitmy god, this is so cool18:28
wizbitjust got back home, and i can automatically ssh into my phone18:28
ZogG_laptopdid you rediscover america?18:28
wizbitim in UK18:28
wizbiti can now wget or sftp new music and video to the phone without even touching it18:29
wizbitthis is beyond cool18:29
r00t^homebeen doing that ever since... miss it with android18:29
wizbitthe n900 plays music and video flawless18:30
r00t^homei don't even need to know where my phone is to put stuff on it18:30
wizbityes exactly18:30
wizbitim glad i didnt take the iphone / android path18:31
wizbitis there a way to send a sms from the terminal so i didnt even have to touch the phone?18:31
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r00t^homegoogle says
r00t^homealso: put xvncserver on the phone and control the gui remotely18:34
wizbitoh yes18:34
r00t^homeapt-get install x11vnc18:35
wizbitr00t^home: should i use HAM to install it?18:35
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r00t^homewizbit: ham is slow useless bloatcrap, i never use it... people say you should use it for system updates... i "bricked" my phone once when installing a libc(?) update with apt18:37
r00t^homewhat's really scary about using vnc from/to the phone is seeing the resolution compared to my (2x) 1280x1024 desktop18:38
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wizbitdoes touchscreen work with vnc?18:39
r00t^homeon which direction?18:39
wizbiton the computer18:40
r00t^homeyou just click instead... touchscreen in X is no magic, just a pointing device with the cursor hidden by default... and no multitouch anyway18:40
r00t^home(note: vnc onto n900 needs some fix for not being able to turn off the screensaver by moving the mouse)18:41
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: no mistreatment really19:24
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Sicelothe signs that i was getting to this were that the device would stop charging unless the cable was secured in a certain way19:25
Sicelowhat i really can't understand is - usb cable & charging via cable worked flawlessly all the time19:26
Siceloand data transfer always worked fine19:26
Siceloby the way, even now after soldering it down, charger is not even detected, but usb cable works fine, and it charges via this19:29
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Siceloany idea now?19:29
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erlehmannSicelo isn't it that chargers notify device via shorting data pins?20:04
erlehmann(i have no idea how it is with n900)20:05
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: check your plugs20:11
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: there are a few test from sw side you can do20:13
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srimalikI broke my ribbon connector of N900, recently got a new one from ebay and replaced it myself20:14
srimalikBut, after the replacement my touch screen is not behaving, the touches are offseted to the left20:14
srimalikso I can not open the main menu on the top-left corner using the UI20:14
srimalik is there is way to launch settings/screen calibration tool using the command line20:14
srimalikI have root access20:14
DocScrutinizer05nice problem20:15
DocScrutinizer05first of all, why do you see that offset now? changing the flat ribbon connector aka main flex shouldn't introduce much of a digitizer decalibration20:16
srimalikDocScrutinizer, I am not sure, maybe the new cable is bad or I did not fix it nicely20:17
DocScrutinizer05check all the plugs if they are seated properly20:18
srimalikI am hoping to bring the device to a usable state by using the calibration tool.20:18
DocScrutinizer05odds are your digitizer isn't plugged in properly and thus you most likely will not be able to calibrate screen20:19
srimalikThe first time I fixed the cable the screen was flickring..I reopened and rechecked and made sure that all joins are ok..after which the screen was ok but I saw this touch offset issue20:19
wizbitanybody know where you put in MMS settings on a n900?20:19
srimalikI will try again tomorrow20:19
DocScrutinizer05wizbit: you need fmms app for that20:20
wizbitace :D20:20
srimalikDocScrutinizer, thanks for the suggestion20:20
DocScrutinizer05srimalik: yw. stay tuned! a few more sugestions will follow20:20
srimalikI will check the logs tomorrow, Its almost 11pm here20:21
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger20:21
srimalikI will post my updates here tomorrow20:21
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: vbus is 5V on VBUS, charger is D+/- short detected20:22
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DocScrutinizer05meh, he left20:27
DocScrutinizer05no chance to talk him out of ruining his calib via /usr/bin/tscalibrate20:28
DocScrutinizer05invoking it via settings gave "/usr/bin/tscalibrate cpanel 67108886"20:28
DocScrutinizer05cpanel might mean "invoked from controlpanel aka settings", nfc about the numeric parameter20:29
DocScrutinizer05at least the parameter is constant for consecutive calls20:31
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wizbitinstalled Yappari :D20:34
wizbitthere was me thinking there wouldnt be many apps available for N90020:34
wizbiti bet shazam doesnt work on a maemo20:38
freemangordonhmm, which reminds me...20:38
freemangordonI should check what's wrong with extras promotion20:38
freemangordonwizbit: www.midomi.com20:38
wizbitmy god20:38
* wizbit falls off chair20:39
freemangordonwizbit: there is flash 10 floating over the inet, if you need it20:39
wizbitfreemangordon: is midomi in extras?20:41
freemangordonwizbit: this is a site20:41
freemangordonjust open it with microb20:41
wizbitright i get you now, you need flash for it to work20:41
freemangordonyou have flash already pre-installed20:42
freemangordonbut it is flash 920:42
freemangordonbut you can get the .deb and upgrade to flash 10 if you need/want20:42
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wizbitif i receive a yappari video from a iphone, i can download the video, but when i press play it says 'media not supported'20:50
wizbitit doesnt matter anyhow!20:50
freemangordonwizbit: I guess it is some weird apple quicktime format20:54
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ShadowJKor very high res22:13
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Siceloerlehmann: this is the original N900 charger, and i've confirmed the  short is there22:28
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: the VBUS test gives 0 with the charger connected (does not even appear in dmesg/syslog)22:34
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Siceloand the charger node shows 1 (but 0 if i use the nokia adapter for 'barrel-type' chargers)22:40
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hxka_Sicelo: I have similar problem23:21
hxka_Stock USB cable works flawlessly, but stock charger only if I tug the cable a bit in a certain direction23:22
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hxkaMy guess is that the problem is not in connection of USB socket to the pcb, but in the socket itself23:23
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Sicelothe big question would be.. what - because if you are able to use the USB cable for data transfers properly, it suggests that at least contact with D+/- pins is good,23:27
Siceloand obviously the power pins too23:27
hxkaProbably some wearing, so the micro-defferences between different plugs suddelly started to matter23:40
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