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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders why there's still no "==the ultimate flashing tool==\n <code>sudo (wget http://maemo.cloud7-de/flashingtool -O /usr/local/bin/flashingtool && chmod +x /usr/local/bin/flashingtool && /usr/local/bin/flashingtool)"00:41
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otwieraczAny ideas why behaviours like:02:10
otwieracz$ ./extfmc.py02:10
otwieraczand no window at all?02:10
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Maxdamantusotwieracz: you never call gtk.main()02:13
Maxdamantusotwieracz: it's in a method that's never called.02:13
otwieraczYes, I examined this right now.02:13
otwieraczBut on my desktop it works fine.02:13
otwieraczwhat's weird02:13
MaxdamantusIt doesn't on mine.02:14
Maxdamantusunless I add `win.main()` at the end.02:14
Maxdamantusare you sure you're running the same version of the program as in the paste?02:15
Maxdamantuson the desktop02:15
otwieraczI find the difference02:16
MaxdamantusYou're not running it within another Python script that later calls gtk.main()02:16
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Maxdamantusor glib.main_loop() or something02:16
otwieraczIt shows only when in interpreter:02:16
otwieracz|>>> win = XfmcWindow()02:16
otwieraczwindow shows02:16
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MaxdamantusAre you running a special Gtk-augmented interpreter?02:17
MaxdamantusI've seen one, which should result in the behaviour you're seeing.02:17
MaxdamantusEssentially, that is "another Python script that later calls gtk.main()"02:18
Maxdamantusalthough it's earlier, not later.02:18
otwieraczI am running python -i in emacs.02:19
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MaxdamantusDunno then, but you see now what's missing, at least.02:20
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MaxdamantusAh, it does it for me as well in the normal interpreter.02:21
MaxdamantusSo I guess pygtk itself runs gtk.main() beforehand if it notices it's being loaded in the interpreter.02:22
Maxdamantusso that you can see the GUI as you're programming it.02:22
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natsukaofor all the users of nokia's, android, GNU/linux...04:08
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natsukaobetter to consult:
natsukaois fine explained, how to use on nokia 77004:14
natsukaowill not be, much different on the other ones04:14
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natsukaoif you are interested to modify the source code, add your names, the modifies you did, and explain how to use on different achitecture as i did04:15
natsukaoyes, is only a script !04:16
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, this thing looks pretty fishy04:17
natsukaoa script generated on X86 for NetBSD, and i found the way, to do work it on a ARM (RISC) on Nokia 77004:17
DocScrutinizer05I suggest to NOT test this stuff!04:18
natsukaothe fact is that it works, and is just pretty for this04:18
natsukaoi tested it, and it works04:18
DocScrutinizer05yeah, the registry optimizer that hacked my bank account also worked just fine04:18
natsukaoi explained how to use that script on Nokia 77004:19
DocScrutinizer05please stop that nonsense04:19
natsukaoit was available only for OpenBSD04:19
DocScrutinizer05when it's a script, it's completely nonsensical to claim it was for X8604:20
natsukaoanything, that can seems a strange game, generated with a script, or else, i think that would be accepted with pleasure04:20
DocScrutinizer05and it only consists of 5 lines code that look terribly fishy04:20
natsukaoand it works on ARM04:20
DocScrutinizer05was that clear enough?04:21
robbiethe1stI don't see how it could do anything bad, despite seeming fishy04:21
natsukaomaleware ?04:21
DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: it's not exactly obvious but very strong indications it does rogue stuff04:22
natsukaothat source code was generated to the #  The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.04:22
natsukaoread any single row, before to type on the keyboard04:23
natsukaobetween 1985 and 1993 there was not the idea of a maleware04:23
natsukaomaleware are things of late 2000 years04:23
natsukaonot certenly in that era04:24
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DocScrutinizer05natsukao: last warning!04:24
DocScrutinizer05        tput cl04:24
DocScrutinizer05        exec /storage/sdcard0/Download/$x $a04:24
robbiethe1stIsn't it basically just a 'wrapper' which executes the command line argument given in the given folder( /storage/sdcard0/Download/ ) on android04:26
robbiethe1stand if the file doesn't exist, echos a couple of silly lines04:26
natsukaobecause on the mobile phone, that i have had, there was not other way04:27
robbiethe1stIt looks like something silly and useless from what... 93? when someone might have thought it funny04:27
natsukaoas i said anyone is free to modify so that can use on his own architecture as he/she prefeers04:27
robbiethe1stharmful? I don't see any problems with it.04:27
robbiethe1stBut I don't see any need to use it either04:28
natsukaoon my mobile phone there was04:28
DocScrutinizer05it's a part of an obviously dangerous package04:28
DocScrutinizer05and it for sure won't result in anything funny or useful04:29
natsukaobasename is part of OpenBSD or of NetBSD, and is available in the directory /games04:29
DocScrutinizer05absolutely last warning!04:29
DocScrutinizer05take it elsewhere04:29
DocScrutinizer05prolly nobody in here needs lessons what's basename(1)04:30
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natsukaoi used on Nokia 770, and it works, on GNU/linux gNewSense Deltah 2.3 linux kernel version 2.6.24-32 works fine04:30
DocScrutinizer05ok, sorry04:31
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robbiethe1stto be fair...
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natsukaoif don't like what i type, you are free don't reply,04:32
DocScrutinizer05might install to /storage/sdcard0/Download/04:32
DocScrutinizer05if N900 has such dir04:32
natsukaowho are you to tell people what to type or not to type ?04:32
DocScrutinizer05natsukao: you've been warned twice to stop04:32
natsukaoI° Amendament of American Constitution defends Freedom Of Speech04:33
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robbiethe1stalright, that got stupid04:33
robbiethe1stOn the other hand, package `bsdgames` in debian, indeed has that excecutable - /usr/games/wargames, which is almost the same.04:34
DocScrutinizer05I guess he's 12 y old04:34
DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: possibly, but that appearance been too stupid04:35
DocScrutinizer05and when I hear exec /storage/sdcard0/Download/$x then my heuristics for malware shout ALARM!!!!04:35
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DocScrutinizer05(alarm) particularly when some hacker with tongue in cheek named the whole thing "wargames"04:39
DocScrutinizer05which is all about backdoors and stuff04:39
DocScrutinizer05and intrusion, and computers going evil04:40
natsukao_Paper of Human Rights defends Freedom Of Speech with 5 Article, Italian Consitution defends Freedom Of Speech with article 2104:40
natsukao_as i just said i have not developed it, i only modified few rows04:40
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DocScrutinizer05those articles don't apply to irc channels04:41
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DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: next thing he suggests is: you need to have uSD card in android phone and then isntall package BSD-foobar there. Then swap uSD to Nokia phone and copy the script from pastebin. Then it works!! I swear!1!1104:49
DocScrutinizer05wgich of course it still doesn't since on maemo there's no /storage/04:50
DocScrutinizer05but eventually he manages to talk other users into running completely untested possibly rogue stuff on their devices04:51
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DocScrutinizer05well, maybe on 770 maemo there actually been storage, dunno04:56
DocScrutinizer05can't even recall the name of 770 maemo. Bora?04:57
robbiethe1stos2005, os200604:58
robbiethe1stI've got one around somewhere04:58
robbiethe1steven worked, last I checked... but too slow to do much04:59
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DocScrutinizer05so Mistral, if anything05:00
DocScrutinizer05Scirocco, or Gregale05:00
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* DocScrutinizer05 suddenly recalls the "spare parts for Nokia N9-00" hits when searching the web05:09
DocScrutinizer05I also wonder what's the current pricetaf for mint condition N95005:11
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DocScrutinizer05... /storage/sdcard0/Download/$x - TZZ05:14
DocScrutinizer05I guess without a +x you can't even exec such stuff, and for a +x the sdcard would need sth other than VFAT05:15
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, a mkdir -p /storage/sdcard0/Download/ for sure would work - until your rootfs is eaten by the crap05:16
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, there's a section about Nokia, which uses /usr/bin/games/ or somesuch instead of that /storage/sdcard....05:32
DocScrutinizer05meh, whatever, 20 year old silly script, and no usefull instructions either05:32
robbiethe1stIt's designed as a launcher for a bunch of other text games05:33
robbiethe1stfrom 20 years ago05:33
robbiethe1stsee the bsdgames package05:33
DocScrutinizer05the idea is to answer "chess", not "yes"05:33
DocScrutinizer05but that would require "chess" binary to be installed in /usr/bin/games/ or whateveritwas05:34
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sixwheeledbeastAnybody noticed an issue with the A-GPS again, both my N900's with SIM's fail to get a lock, happened on Sunday IIRC.11:27
jogagoogle supl selected?11:28
sixwheeledbeastyep, checked all that.11:29
jogaI think I last used gps about a week ago or so, didn't notice anything peculiar then11:30
sixwheeledbeastAs I say A-GPS is on most of time for me so I noticed when it stopped.11:32
sixwheeledbeastFYI it has to be
sixwheeledbeastbut I have tested both with no luck11:33
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sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: ^^^ IIRC you did the fix last time? If anyone can confirm it's not just me.11:54
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TTilussixwheeledbeast: agps on my n900 has been failing for some time now13:53
TTilussixwheeledbeast: if you find out anything, please share13:53
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HAMIDx9Hey guys, I'm looking for a way to specify the access point mac address which i try to connect , it seems the location of these info is via gconf is : /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/###..###/14:58
HAMIDx9is there any way to specify the mac address ?14:59
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DocScrutinizer05aiui gconf isn't meant to get used via editing files16:52
DocScrutinizer05gconftool -R /|grep connectivity/IAP;  is the way to go16:53
DocScrutinizer05or "gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP"16:54
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DocScrutinizer05but I don't know of any way to specify MAC addr of AP17:01
DocScrutinizer05AIUI WLAN isn't even meant to do anything like that. Rather it's meant to roam between several AP with same SSID17:02
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DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote: Nokia just informs about their expected finalization of the sale of "Devices & Services" to M$ in April. I guess that's the definitive dead end for any maemo related negotiations with Nokia18:16
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DocScrutinizer05good luck for anybody trying to negotiate anything maemo related with M$18:22
DocScrutinizer05not really18:22
ApicI find it sad that M$ bought Nokia18:23
DocScrutinizer05on the bright side: not even the most loyal (soon ex-)nokian needs to worry about negative impact to his employer of him disclosing all sourcecodes18:26
NIN101well, one can dream :-).18:28
DocScrutinizer05I doubt anybody would dare to try and sue M$ for any copyright violations or breaking contracts that Nokia might have done18:28
DocScrutinizer05and for sure M$ is not liable for any of that18:29
DocScrutinizer05security issues in flasher? who cares!18:29
DocScrutinizer05maemo at large? who cares!18:30
NIN101yes, they won't care as it brings no money (any more).18:30
DocScrutinizer05unless somebody in M$ smells a monetization plan18:31
DocScrutinizer05hard to come up with a sensible story what such plan would look like... but who knows18:32
DocScrutinizer05luckily >95% of maemo are FOSS18:33
DocScrutinizer05not even M$ has any means to revert that18:33
DocScrutinizer05maybe M$ calls their next crappy phone OS "maemo" X-P18:35
DocScrutinizer05I suggest we switch to "the-true-and-only-maemo" for name then18:36
DocScrutinizer05will be interesting to watch a few whois results during the next months18:36
DocScrutinizer05Domain Name:MAEMO.ORG18:39
DocScrutinizer05Registrant ID:mmr-3146118:39
DocScrutinizer05Registrant Name:Nokia Corporation18:39
DocScrutinizer05Updated Date: 2014-01-07T10:24:55Z18:39
DocScrutinizer05Registry Expiry Date: 2015-02-07T16:26:32Z18:39
DocScrutinizer05Admin ID:mmr-3146218:40
DocScrutinizer05Admin Name:Nokia dnsauthority18:40
DocScrutinizer05Tech ID:mmr-3146318:41
DocScrutinizer05Tech Name:Nokia Hostmaster18:41
DocScrutinizer05possible activities to be seen: a) nothing (until january next year, when domain either expires or gets renewed or whatever)   b) transfer to HiFo   c) transfer to M$   d) deletion18:43
DocScrutinizer05given all previous examples, I'd bet on a)18:44
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deepyIt'll probably redirect to the WP page18:45
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues hildon18:46
infobotFactoid search of 'hildon' by value (6): hildon-extras ;; #maemo mhd ;; speedyham ;; desktop-lock ;; #maemo ham ;; transitions.ini.18:46
deepytransferred to MS and then redirected to the WP page18:46
DocScrutinizer05what's "WP page"?18:46
ApicThat'd be an Epic Fail18:47
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DocScrutinizer05hi maemonians! I'd need a betatester (or two) for
DocScrutinizer05how to use:  enable-catalogs save myDefaultCatalogSettings20:19
DocScrutinizer05<change catalogs in HAM>20:20
DocScrutinizer05enable-catalogs save mySpecialSettings20:20
DocScrutinizer05<do some apt-get install stuff for example>20:20
DocScrutinizer05<revert to standard:>20:20
DocScrutinizer05enable-catalogs myDefaultCatalogSettings20:21
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DocScrutinizer05see enable-catalogs -h for details20:21
DocScrutinizer05I did cursory tests, but as usual: no warranty explicit or implied, for fitness for any purpose, damage, eaten cats...20:22
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, as you might have guessed, you should copy the file to somewhere in your $PATH (maybe actually /usr/local/sbin/, if that's part of $PATH), you should chmod +x it, and you will *need root* to execute it20:29
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Sc0rpiusfreemangordon, still no Yappari 1.1.46 armel in Extras :(20:50
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jean_bratmaemo extras are down?20:57
jean_bratnothing is getting downloaded20:58
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hxkaDocScrutinizer05: why are you creating hardlinks?20:59
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hxkaThat's total nonsense21:00
hxka> enable-catalogs save myDefaultCatalogSettings21:00
hxka> <change catalogs in HAM>21:00
hxkaAfter that all of the changes will appear in myDefaultCatalogSettings as well21:01
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DocScrutinizer05hxka: errrr21:05
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DocScrutinizer05usually any change in file content *should* result in unlinking and creating a new file of same name21:06
DocScrutinizer05unless the process opened the existing file for modification, which is not what I'd expect HAM to do21:07
DocScrutinizer05I might be wrong, that's why I ask for testers' review ;-)21:08
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DocScrutinizer05if the process editing the file was a hexeditor then I'd agree21:10
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DocScrutinizer05ok, I owe you one :-D21:13
* DocScrutinizer05 removes a few "l"21:14
DocScrutinizer05hxka: many thanks!21:14
hxkaYou're welcome :)21:15
DocScrutinizer05how's the rest? like 'list' and 'delete' ?21:16
DocScrutinizer05(ok, it's so trivial it really better be right)21:16
hxkaHa-ha! I don't like that delete doen't check whether the directoy exists before trying to remove it, but that's not critical21:17
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I been lazy. pondered check but thought "meh!"21:18
hxkaSame with restoring21:18
DocScrutinizer05prolly I'll set up the script so it exits on error, and implement a trap for error handling and diagnostic output21:19
hxkaAnd there is not much point in using checkname function anywhere except saving21:20
DocScrutinizer05enable catalogs '; rm -rf /'21:21
DocScrutinizer05this sort of stuff21:21
DocScrutinizer05enable-catalogs delete ../../../*21:22
DocScrutinizer05sure I could use basename or whatever21:23
hxkaSecond point is valid21:24
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hxkaAs for the first one, variables should be put in doublequotes21:24
hxkaOne of the reasons I hate sh21:25
DocScrutinizer05guess I missed to consistently do that21:25
hxkaIt provides so many ways to shoot oneself in the foot21:25
DocScrutinizer05sure, sh has its issues21:25
DocScrutinizer05but one advantage: it's ubiquitous21:26
Ken-YoungSo is tooth decay.21:26
DocScrutinizer05(you can argue binary is also ;-P)21:26
DocScrutinizer05no sarcastic comments re main() ? ;)21:27
* DocScrutinizer05 makes mental note to test the script under messybox too21:28
DocScrutinizer05actually it's a POC, that I just had to save to safely disconnect from my wlan ssh session ;-)21:30
DocScrutinizer05since I'm going afk, RL calling21:30
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DocScrutinizer05(main) a nice way of my own to make sure at least the syntax of whole script is correct21:32
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/etc/enable-catalogs# enable-catalogs --help21:35
DocScrutinizer05/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs: line 41: syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")21:35
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DocScrutinizer05updated version in
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DocScrutinizer05I just wonder if I should already add an `apt-get update` at end of restore section21:45
DocScrutinizer05prolly sucks21:45
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DocScrutinizer05weird how similar looks to
DocScrutinizer05took him 9 months to create a package from my stuff, and yet no credits anywhere?22:54
DocScrutinizer05well, "my" stuff, since I can't recall who been the one who rendered it. Maybe it's been him22:55
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