IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2014-04-15

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discopigwhat kind of soldering iron should i purchase to strenghten the usb port?03:42
discopigi know it needs a super thin tip, but what wattage should i get?03:43
Maxdamantus00:33 < DocScrutinizer05> get a decent 80W iron03:45
Maxdamantus00:34 < Maxdamantus> ah, 25W :\03:45
Maxdamantus00:34 < DocScrutinizer05> for soldering down the USB you will probably want a larger one03:45
infobotusbfix is, like, - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or, or you will basically need two irons03:47
DocScrutinizer05watch that u-tybe vid03:47
DocScrutinizer05no super-thin tip for soldering down the port mechanically03:47
DocScrutinizer05not at all03:48
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discopigso just a regular tip, 0.3mm wire?03:50
discopigand a decent 80w03:50
DocScrutinizer05should work03:51
DocScrutinizer0560W or even 50W may also suffice03:51
DocScrutinizer05less for sure not03:52
discopigalright, thanks03:52
DocScrutinizer05or you wind ~250g of copper wire around the tip 7cm of your regulated soldering iron, wrap some layers of alu foil around the whole thing and heat it up to 360°C03:58
DocScrutinizer05the massive copper will store enough heat energy to heat up the PCB03:58
DocScrutinizer05you have to wind very tight, so thermal contact between copper and soldering iron is good03:59
DocScrutinizer05otherwise your soldering tip cools down despite all the hot copper around it03:59
DocScrutinizer05watch the video ^^^ a few times04:00
DocScrutinizer05so you can detect when you encounter the problems of insufficient power or capaicty or thermal conductance to your soldering joint04:01
DocScrutinizer05and don't go too hot! 350° is probably maximum04:02
DocScrutinizer05use more to damage everything04:02
DocScrutinizer05insufficient power can't get compensated by increased heat04:02
* DocScrutinizer05 just wondered what he meant by "you will basically need two irons"04:05
DocScrutinizer05now I recall: a 80W and a fine one04:05
DocScrutinizer05discopig: take care to protect cam lens and felx ribbon to uSD daughterboard!04:06
DocScrutinizer05the area where you scratch off the green varnish shall be at least same size as the side of the USB connector04:07
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DocScrutinizer05so you can create a nice triangle shaped solder join04:08
DocScrutinizer05(when watched from side where USB plug inserts)04:09
DocScrutinizer05so left side til the U-shaped bay, right side almost till the hole04:10
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discopigi hope i wont mess this up04:14
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DocScrutinizer05when you use proper tools and goot solder, the chances to mess up are minimal04:15
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DocScrutinizer05decent electronics(!!!) flux would help a lot04:16
discopigone of my 2 n900s already has a spotty usb port, do you think it's too late?04:17
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discopigif i jiggle the usb cable in it it disconnects then reconnects04:17
discopigi havent used it in a while because of that because i was waiting to fix it04:17
DocScrutinizer05anyway, when you feel not completely comfortable, then first practice a bit by soldering a 1mm dia wire to a 5mm dia wire04:17
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DocScrutinizer05first properly soldering down the USB for sure won't hurt. then test again04:19
discopigyeah true04:19
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discopigif it still has issues then i guess at least it wont get worse04:19
DocScrutinizer05when you're lucky, it "fixed itself" by your ficating the USB jack04:19
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discopigand still charges and tranfers fine if it doesnt jiggle in the port04:19
DocScrutinizer05when not, you can start thinking about re-soldering the 5 electrical contacts of the jack04:20
DocScrutinizer05often those symptoms are caused by a damaged plug or receptacle, rather than by broken solder joints04:21
DocScrutinizer05test another cable. inspect the contacts in the jack, if they are clean and straight or there is maybe some debris or oxides or whatever04:21
discopigi also have a third n900 motherboard from years ago, but that one has the port completely broken off04:22
discopigso ill try to fix that one once i fix the other 2 first04:22
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discopigis a 0.6mm wire too thick?04:24
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DocScrutinizer05for what?04:25
DocScrutinizer05which wire?04:25
DocScrutinizer05solder wire?04:25
DocScrutinizer05good quality is of paramount inportance04:26
DocScrutinizer05for that particular solder job you could even use 1mm04:26
DocScrutinizer05though thinner solder wire is marginally more expensive than thicker one, per weight04:28
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DocScrutinizer05IOW yu don't save much by using thicker wire04:28
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DocScrutinizer05with thinner wire you need a longer piece for the solder joint, but then there's more length on a 50g spindle04:29
* DocScrutinizer05 just ponders testing solder paste and hot air reflow tool04:32
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DocScrutinizer05discopig: make sure your copper areas are really cleaned. A glas fibre eraser comes in handy to remove the last traces of green varnish04:34
discopigi have micromesh here but i dont know if that would help04:34
DocScrutinizer05or use blue end of a usual eraser04:35
DocScrutinizer05or even steel whool when you can't find any better tool04:35
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discopigok i ordered some good solder wire and a soldering iron04:58
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discopigi'd be happy if i could at least save one of my n900s05:03
discopigi can always keep the others for repair parts05:03
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DocScrutinizer05or turn them into Neo900s05:06
discopigwhen neo900 comes out i'll most likely buy one05:06
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ApicA wonderful splendid extraordinary fine Setting Orange (Tuesday) Morning (UGT) to all of You!09:18
Luke-Jrisn't UGT implied by now? :P09:19
ApicProbably, yes/09:21
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HtheBchem|st: hi10:22
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chem|stHtheB: o/11:09
HtheBo/ how are you11:09
chem|stexhausted, thanks for asking11:09
HtheBcan you remove a poll from a topic>11:10
chem|stno idea, but lets try ;)11:10
HtheBseems like the moderators are sleeping deed11:10
HtheBI got a request by ancelad himself, but I dont have moderator powers in that sub11:11
chem|stI add you to software if you want to?11:12
chem|stwhy does he want to delete it anyways?!11:13
HtheBit has nothing to do anymore with the thread11:14
HtheBchem|st: that would be good because the moderators are not active as used to be11:14
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chem|stI will try and reset fields, but there is no option to delete the poll11:15
chem|stok deleting poll needs admin rights not only moderator rights11:17
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chem|stthe mods in theme are tim and andrew and they are both some days late on everything, just like I am! you are added to software mod list11:19
chem|stpoll deleted11:20
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HtheBbut they haven't been online since like a month now11:22
RaimuDammit, a lot of websites are turning to forced https11:22
chem|stRaimu: I think about it too11:22
RaimuN900 speed killer and for what?11:22
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chem|stRaimu: for your privacy11:23
chem|stHtheB: yes, but they get emails like everyone else11:23
RaimuYes, or rather so nobody mitms unaware people using open wlans11:23
chem|stfor example11:23
chem|stit is actually bad to have something with login without tls, but as long as you are not logged in it could be http11:24
RaimuBut then picture aggregate sites send like jpegs under https too11:25
RaimuSeems like a pointless waste to have someone's youtube viewing https'd11:25
SAiFi trusted openssl until last week. Now I learned to never trust anything..11:26
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RaimuI guess I wouldn't mind if it didn't incur performance hits or interoperability hits even today11:26
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chem|stSAiF: I do not trust banks for online banking... anyone who does SMS-TAN is not trustworthy and that are many!11:29
SAiF2 years a bug is intolerable11:30
RaimuSMS-TAN sounds like a Japanese honorific11:30
Raimu*looks it up*11:30
chem|stSAiF: the openssl disaster is not that bad, as long as the server admins knew what they are doing there never was a way of hijacking11:30
SAiFI even wonder how could it happen11:30
chem|stjust like the random numbergenerator for DSA, was a left behind testcase in the release code11:31
chem|stnoone recognized for years11:31
SAiFmay be none revealed it..11:31
RaimuI've read programmer essays on that openssl is a horrible string of unreadable code11:32
Raimu"Nobody ever, EVER wants to revise it" seems a common viewpoint11:33
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chem|stand that is the actual bad point11:33
chem|stsecurity relevant code noone wants to touch as it was waterfally programmed 10 years ago and noone understands it anymore11:34
SAiFthe older version 0.9.8e-27.1 didnt had that bug.. Now I think "if it isn't broken never fix it" rule11:35
SAiFwhat ever.11:36
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chem|stSAiF: "never change a running system" is what you are looking for11:51
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SAiF:) yes11:56
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Psi__i was happy to see someone wrote a n900/maemo version of the 2048 game :)12:54
RaimuI noticed that too, hilarious.12:55
r00t^d430i don't get the point of porting a game that was initially implemented in dhtml that runs on any device anyway12:57
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jaska is my preferred 2048-clone13:14
jaskaunfortunately its in finnish13:14
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Maxdamantustuhat kuusi sataa13:33
Maxdamantusneed lisää skills13:33
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Shadowskianyone here?14:25
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Shadowskitest test, can anyone hear me?14:28
jaskatest fail.14:29
Shadowskiwell atleast i did get fail response14:29
Shadowskiwhy is everyone silent in here?14:30
Shadowskiit's like somebody died in here14:30
Shadowskianyway, can somebody help me out with my n900?14:31
Shadowskijesus christ, so many people in here, and everyoby is away14:33
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chem|stShadowski: if you do not tell what your problem is noone will answer your questions before you even ask them..14:35
Shadowskiok, my problem is with the battery indicator. It always says that it is very low. At first i thought it was the battery, so i bought a new one(polar cell). It didn't help. After that i did flash my phone with fiasco image, didn't help as well. The battery discharges normally, its the battery meter that keeps saying that battery is low, and i suspect it is also the reason i cannot boot the cellphone in normal mode(i run it in R&D cur14:40
Shadowskianyone knows what the issue could be?14:40
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Shadowskioh and i use external charger, to charge the battery14:44
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DocScrutinizer05with external charger (charging cell outside of N900), there's no way the N900 can have a semi-decent idea of exact charge left over in cell15:02
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Shadowskibut still saying low battery every minute is getting annoying15:04
Shadowskianyway to diable that warning?15:04
Shadowskioh and the phone doesnt charge through usb, it keeps rebooting15:05
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DocScrutinizer05you should reflash. your system seems completely messed up15:07
Shadowskii did write, that i did reflasing with fiasco15:08
Shadowskiover 10 times15:08
Shadowskididn't help15:08
DocScrutinizer05mhm, and you're sure this did work?15:08
Shadowskiwhat did work?15:09
DocScrutinizer05over 10 times sounds like you're clueless about flashing15:09
Shadowskidoc, i am not clueless15:09
Shadowskii can boot up phone in R&D mode15:09
Shadowskithe flash sent ok15:09
Shadowskibut it didn't solve my problem with battery15:09
DocScrutinizer05when flashing works, one time should suffice. No additional gain from doing it multiple times15:09
Shadowskiyes, i meant i tried different versions15:10
Shadowskii meant 10 times as i tried different versions of FIASCO image15:10
Shadowskinot litteraly 10 times flashed :P15:10
chem|stShadowski: reflashing wont help a completly of the record battery state15:10
Shadowskii don't know. i am thinking it has to do something with bq27200 chip15:11
Shadowskii think it fried in kinda way15:11
Shadowskii bought my cell phone used15:11
infoboti guess bq27k-detail is
chem|stI had the same issue as you have, reseting the learning cycle of the battery is the only way to get it back to normal15:12
Shadowskiwell thats the problem where i encountered15:12
Shadowskii found a thread in maemo about callibrating battery15:12
Shadowskithe script15:12
chem|stthat ->
DocScrutinizer05the poor chip gets *totally* confused by a battery that all the time just discharges15:12
DocScrutinizer05I'm more puzzled about your device bootlooping when not in R&D mode15:13
DocScrutinizer05this sounds like other stuff fried15:13
Shadowskiyeah doc, but the problem i am encountering is that VQD always stays 0 even after charging15:13
Shadowskibootlooping accurs while charging thru usb15:14
Shadowskivdq sorry15:14
DocScrutinizer05you got some hw problems hardly related to bq2720015:15
DocScrutinizer05pretty tricky to find out what's wrong15:15
Shadowskiit doesn't really bother me, i use the device mainly for penetration testing15:16
Shadowskiits jsut the warning is annoying15:16
chem|stwell it is huge enough for that...15:16
DocScrutinizer05reflash to *stock* PR1.3.1! TEST! NO powerkernel, NO additional apps or drivers!15:17
infoboti guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
DocScrutinizer05reflash VANILLA as well15:17
DocScrutinizer05disable R&D mode15:17
DocScrutinizer05then TEST15:17
Shadowskioh man, i installed so many soft already :/15:18
DocScrutinizer05when problem persists: install syslogd/ksyslogd and pastebin the syslog15:18
infobotfrom memory, backupmenu is
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Shadowskibtw, i installed queenbeacon widget with battery meter15:20
Shadowskiand guess what it is outputing15:20
Shadowski3680107.2% 44164.316V15:21
Shadowskithats definetely wrong something with the sensor15:21
Shadowskii don't think reflasing will really help15:21
DocScrutinizer05I think it will15:22
Shadowskidoc, i did reflash multiple times, i said already, it didn't help15:22
DocScrutinizer05you got a broken beta version of bme/hal-plugin-bme/batteryapplet/powerkernel, and it sounds like you reflashed and reinstalled all that a 10 times15:23
Shadowskiok, ill try your image15:24
DocScrutinizer05read my instructions above!15:24
DocScrutinizer05I actually dare to guess you enabled bq27200.ko kernel module15:25
Shadowskidod, no its disabled15:26
DocScrutinizer05mhm, proof please!15:26
Shadowskitoo late, i am reflashing now15:26
Shadowskias you asked15:26
DocScrutinizer05honestly, the amount of info you share is not enough to even start considering to try to find out what's wrong15:27
Shadowskiyeah i know, i have a bad expierence with 1st line support15:28
Shadowskiso thats why maybe i am a little angry15:28
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Shadowskiok reflashed and disabled R&D mode15:29
DocScrutinizer05both vanilla and combined?15:29
Shadowskii cannot flash vanilla15:29
Shadowskiit says no suitable device found15:30
DocScrutinizer05and btw your fault when you didn't do a proper BM backup before you started reflashing. There been a reason why I quoted it above15:30
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is
Shadowskicombined flashed sucessfully, vanilla emmc i cannot flash15:34
Shadowskiit says no suitable device found, and phone goes into reboot loop15:34
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was
Shadowskiwhat do you want to tell me witht this?15:36
DocScrutinizer05I want to tell you that your problem is old and well known and the solutions are on that very fine page15:36
DocScrutinizer05if only you bother to read it *completely*15:36
Shadowskii didn't find my problem there15:37
DocScrutinizer05hmm, yeah. reading is hard15:38
DocScrutinizer05I can spot 3 hits on that page for the very searchstring "no suitable device found"15:39
Shadowskiyeah, and all of them are not my case!!!15:39
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm not 1st level helpdesk15:39
Shadowskii can clearly see that15:39
infobotit has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
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RockStonehow much should a 100% working good condition N900 cost 2nd hand at the US by Ebay?18:25
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RockStonehow much should a 100% working good condition N900 cost 2nd hand at the US by Ebay?18:49
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Sc0rpiusautomatic promotion to Extras is not working23:36
Sc0rpiuswho can help me to promote Yappari 1.1.46 to Extras? Already had enough votes in testing and already promoted by me23:36
freemangordonSc0rpius: when did you promote it?23:40
freemangordonoh - 2014-04-15 19:32 UTC23:42
freemangordonit takes some time23:42
Sc0rpiusyeah but I promoted from Yappari 1.1.42 to 1.1.45 and they never reached extras :(23:44
Sc0rpiusI'll bug you tomorrow again you'll see :P23:44
freemangordonhmm, lemme check23:44
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if it's worth fixing dat shite, or simply less effort to do the 5 promotions per year manually23:46
DocScrutinizer05meh, discuss that with HiFo23:48
freemangordonhmm, what?!?23:49
freemangordonwhy it is there?23:49
Sc0rpius5 promotions a year? are we that alone in the universe? :(23:49
freemangordonin "fmg@stage:/var/repository/staging/extras/pool/fremantle/free/y/yappari"23:49
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freemangordonit should be in pr-1323:50
freemangordonoh, it IS there23:50
DocScrutinizer05well, HiFo stated that no more coordination of maintenance needed, so it's up to them to take care about infra, incl deciding what to fix, find somebody to do that, explain to him what exactly needs to get done, aso23:50
Sc0rpiuslemme see23:51
DocScrutinizer05I've been an idiot for weeks, not noticing the opportunity this offers to me23:51
Sc0rpiusthat means is already in extras?23:52
Sc0rpiusthe i386 :(23:52
freemangordonhmm, yeah23:52
Sc0rpiuswhat about the armel?23:52
freemangordonbut it takes time23:52
Sc0rpiusin this link:23:53
Sc0rpiusit says the latest version in Extras is 1.1.4123:53
freemangordonyes, I see23:53
freemangordonsomething is broken23:53
DocScrutinizer05OOOH, exciting news ;-P23:54
freemangordonSc0rpius: I see armel version to be build too, it will need some more time I guess23:55
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