IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2014-04-14

NIN101openssl version -a gives the path00:02
NIN101which on maemo gives /usr/lib/ssl for me, which has symlinks back to /etc/ssl/00:02
bencohdoes it work then ?00:03
NIN101no, it can't verify any website.00:03
bencohhavent been able to make openssl -verify work on debian00:03
NIN101for example, "openssl s_client -connect" returns "verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate".00:05
bencohsame on debian00:06
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NIN101hmm, indeed. odd.00:12
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grummundHi all, i don't know where else to ask this...01:28
grummundmy N900 is giving 'double beeps' periodically01:29
grummundbattery is showing 95%01:29
grummundwhat's it trying to tell me?01:30
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Maxdamantusgrummund: try looking at dmesg02:12
* Maxdamantus would imagine it might mean a missed call though.02:13
MaxdamantusDunno. Haven't had many phone calls since getting mine.02:13
grummundit's not missed call02:14
grummundalso, Profile is on silent02:15
grummundit's the kind of alert you'd exepect from a device that was dying, e.g. lo batt alert.02:17
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grummunddoh! it wasn't the N900 it was the dect phone on the desk next to it </slap forehead>03:00
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DocScrutinizer05double-beeps, sounds like inbound SMS. But those should stop after 2 double beeps04:20
DocScrutinizer05dang, how often I said "I should read backscroll  bottom up instead of top down"04:21
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: there's no winning; it gets confusing going bottom up often :/\04:41
DocScrutinizer05maybe I should do post-it notes for replies I find I wanna send, while reading top down til bottom04:42
DocScrutinizer05does wtf emoticons?04:43
DocScrutinizer05~wtf :/\04:43
infobotusage: wtf <foo>.04:43
Luke-Jrthat was a typo for :/04:44
DocScrutinizer05*sigh*, dunno if I ever felt such a severe burnout like I currently do04:45
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DocScrutinizer05seriously considering to sell my complete IT and get a pony04:46
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DocScrutinizer05or a bat, or a cat04:46
Luke-JrI consider that probably once or twice a year :x04:46
Luke-Jrexcept I'm usually thinking more like cow and plants, to be a farmer04:47
DocScrutinizer05or simply become a monk04:47
Luke-JrI don't have that kind of self-discipline XD04:48
DocScrutinizer05though, even those use IT nowadays, for managing their finances04:48
Luke-Jrwell, at the current rate, the internet is just going to die soon enough anyway04:49
DocScrutinizer05I wonder if those momks who never speak are allowed to IRC ;-P04:49
Luke-Jrthe other day over 1/3 of the trans-atlantic backbone traffic was a DDoS attack against a gratis service I help run04:49
DocScrutinizer05I might consider helping a bit on that dieing04:50
DocScrutinizer05I had an idea about an NZP virus today04:50
Luke-Jryeah, very annoying and hard to mitigate04:51
Luke-Jralthough we managed to survive it since one of the other guys has upstream access to most of the US backbone routers04:51
Luke-Jrbasically uploading a whitelist of known user IPs to them all04:51
Luke-Jrit's been ongoing for like 1-2 months now; I don't recall which day reached 1/304:52
Luke-Jrprobably more like a week ago04:52
DocScrutinizer05which of the streams in that map is it?04:53
DocScrutinizer05UDP; misuse?04:53
Luke-Jrpretty sure it's all TCP at this point04:56
DocScrutinizer05dang, that URL is messed up04:57
* DocScrutinizer05 hates dynamic "CNAMES"04:58
DocScrutinizer05or forwards or whatever that is04:58
DocScrutinizer05you can't create bookmarks that make sense04:58
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ApicA wonderful splendid good Monday (or Pricke-Prickle) Morning (UGT)!10:22
ApicOk, hope i can restore teh[sic] rootfs today!10:23
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infobotwell, backupmenu is
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RaimuDarn, n900's sharing Facebook integration died now.13:38
RaimuAPI changes, no doubt13:39
RaimuLasted long though!13:39
RaimuIt was one of the few FB-related things on the n900 that worked great.13:39
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silviofRaimu: add this point to the bugtracker14:06
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Apic[2/5.0.5]{1}apic@ammonit:~/a/NOOK> flasher-3.5 --fiasco=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -F --flash-only=rootfs14:20
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ApicSpecify only one FIASCO image.14:20
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infobotasterisk bugs is probably at the asterisk bug tracking system is at . If you have a bug you may submit it there. READ BEFORE you submit a bug!   Also see
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Web-aptosid876_so with the N810, which I'm thinking of getting. While I like maemo, I'd like to have a free software only system on it. This looks like a proper install ie not a chroot install :) . Are there any proprietary drivers & "firmware" of doom?14:50
Web-aptosid876_... and a more recent system on it too :)14:50
Web-aptosid876_I expect I can configure,tweak it to have a touch usable human interface. lxlauncher, some sort of panel, gxmenu?, know of any full screen application switchers?14:56
Web-aptosid876_netsurf for a lightweight webbrowser14:57
Luke-JrWeb-aptosid876_: N810 is beyond dead. And never ran with just free software :/15:00
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merlin1991Apic: get rid of the --fiasco and put the bin path after -F15:17
ApicThank You very much!15:17
ApicVersion of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR015:18
ApicSending and flashing rootfs image (185728 kB)...15:18
Apic 56% (105600 of 185728 kB, 14850 kB/s)15:18
ApicFinishing flashing... done15:20
Maxdamantusfwiw, there's also a 2011 image.15:22
ApicAw, ok15:23
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Web-aptosid876_dam not even just usb host and audio?15:38
Web-aptosid876_I guess wifi and bluetooth and gps need non-free yuck?15:38
Luke-JrI don't think N810 even had any USB port..15:44
jaskait has a otg-capable usb15:47
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ApicNow the Backup App cannot find my Backups on eMMC!15:53
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ApicPlease someone help me!16:22
ApicDocScrutinizer05, where art thou?  ;-)16:23
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SiceloApic: what is the issue today?\17:33
ApicRestoring the Backup does not work anymore.17:34
ApicI reflashed rootfs17:34
ApicAnd i still see the Folder backups17:34
ApicOn eMMC17:34
ApicBut the App does not see it.  ;-(17:34
Siceloyou backed up with what? backupmenu, or the stock application?17:35
ApicThe App17:35
Siceloso, are you able to open the backups 'manually'?17:36
Sicelomeaning, open with with unzip?17:37
infoboti guess backupmenu is
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ApicDocScrutinizer05: So i just need to install the App and Things will turn out to magically work?17:57
ApicWould rule./17:57
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DocScrutinizer05no, it's no fairy dust17:58
DocScrutinizer05but you can magically restore your complete system when you messed up17:59
ApicThat's enough for me17:59
DocScrutinizer05given you made a backup before, with bm17:59
ApicI should have18:00
DocScrutinizer05nobody understands why bm isn't a stock nokia app that came with the very first prototypes already18:00
ApicI can remember You or someone similar suggesting BM in my Past.18:00
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DocScrutinizer05only thing it doesn't restore is kernel18:01
ApicGood to know.18:01
DocScrutinizer05but then, you shouldn't usually mess up your kernel usually18:01
ApicYeah, i should not…  i just remember installing iptables via apt-get18:02
DocScrutinizer05obviously it doesn't backup/restore MyDocs18:02
ApicSo i would be able to tether18:02
ApicBut then suddenly it fscked up completely.18:02
Siceloso when you said "The App" you meant Backupmenu?18:02
ApicYes, my MyDocs seems still 100% intact.18:02
ApicSicelo: Ack18:02
DocScrutinizer05and 3 minutes later you're back18:02
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: no18:03
DocScrutinizer05I'd doubt it been BM18:03
Siceloi doubt too. then again, seems i get confused sometimes by Apic ;)18:04
DocScrutinizer05BM is not exactly "an app"18:04
DocScrutinizer05we all do18:04
ApicApple poisoned my Language.18:04
DocScrutinizer05bm has no icon to start it18:05
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DocScrutinizer05so in my book that's not an app18:05
ApicJust installed rootsh with evil Program Manager18:05
DocScrutinizer05and bm can do a lot more of nice things18:05
ApicE: Couldn't finde package backupmenu18:05
ApicWhat's it called?18:06
ApicI'll apt-get lynx18:07
ApicAnd i need the Signingkeys again…18:08
ApicComplains about unsigned Pkgs18:08
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ApicGot it18:12
Apicdpkg -i …18:12
ApicMany Depw18:12
ApicDeps even18:12
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Apic| grep " Package"18:13
Apicapt-get install bootmenu tar-gnu i2c-tools mtd-utils libacl118:14
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ApicAfter adding additional Deps from extras-devel, it is now installing18:18
ApicHow to launch it?18:18
DocScrutinizer05boot with slide open18:18
ApicMicroB fails connecting to robbiethe1st.afraid.org18:19
ApicIs that an April Fool?18:19
DocScrutinizer05no, that's a sad flaw18:19
ApicOk, i'll boot18:19
ApicNow it loaded  BOOT MENU  and i selected Backup Menu18:20
Apicr) sounds good18:20
Apicq), t), or p) now?18:20
ApicRootFS & OptFS is recommended…18:21
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ApicI'll risk t18:22
DocScrutinizer05BM also charges battery ;-)18:22
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Apicmydocs/systemBackups: No such file or directory18:22
ApicDo i need to reboot into Maemo and rename my backups/ to systemBackups?18:23
DocScrutinizer05obviously, or did you do any before?18:23
ApicI guess i did not actually do one  B-(18:23
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DocScrutinizer05and if you did, I wonder *how*18:23
ApicFalse Memory Syndrome18:23
ApicSo i need to get the old App to work ;-()18:23
ApicI'll check whether i am able to unzip18:23
DocScrutinizer05renaming won't help18:24
DocScrutinizer05bm can only use bm generated backups18:24
DocScrutinizer05otherwise, why wouldn't it use other backups for restore ootb?18:25
DocScrutinizer05actually, what for would we need it then, at all18:25
DocScrutinizer05a bm backup is a completely different thing than an osso-backup18:25
DocScrutinizer05(the "app")18:26
ApicOk ok ok18:26
DocScrutinizer05when osso-backup takes a list of your contacts in your rollodex to create new files from the public phonebook when needed, then BM does a xerox copy of your whole rollodex18:27
DocScrutinizer05s/list of your/list of only the full *names* of your/18:28
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: when osso-backup takes a list of only the full *names* of your contacts in your rollodex to create new files from the public phonebook when needed, then BM does a xerox copy of your whole rollodex18:28
ApicInstalling unzip18:28
DocScrutinizer05what the heck are you trying to do?18:29
ApicYes, i can unzip18:29
ApicTesting whether my Backup is still intact18:29
ApicTrying the App again18:29
ApicStill lists none18:30
ApicAny Idea?18:30
DocScrutinizer05how could it not be intact?18:30
DocScrutinizer05what f'ing "App"??18:30
DocScrutinizer05not like we had more than 3 of them on maemo18:30
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infobothmm... xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.18:31
DocScrutinizer05you seem to have an xyz problem ;-)18:31
ApicI made a Backup with the old Maemo Backup Application that backups Application List, Contacts, etc…18:32
ApicSo the new Application is not backwards compatible…18:32
Apic… and i need to install the old one over it again…18:33
ApicIt says (Keine Backups verfügbar)18:33
Apic(No Backups available) translated18:33
DocScrutinizer05well, osoo-backup isn't exactly made for that18:33
ApicFor what?18:33
ApicFor restoring Backups>18:33
infobotApic meant: For restoring Backups?18:33
ApicI want Backups to work 2-way ;-)18:33
DocScrutinizer05for rolling back to a previous version of "an App"18:34
ApicJust Backup without Restore is kinda pointless…18:34
ApicSo what shall i do?18:34
Apicapt-get purge18:34
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno, since you don't tell me what's your problem, we have a zillion "apps" on maemo18:34
ApicI have a couple of Backups from 2013 and 201418:35
ApicAnd i want to restore the newest one18:35
ApicBecause i just reflashed my rootfs18:36
DocScrutinizer05osso-backup, as 'explained' above, only takes a list of apps to install for restoring18:36
ApicI do not understand that.18:36
DocScrutinizer05ok, maybe you understand it that way: osso-backup basically creates a list of "apt-get install <app1>" for <app1>  = all the apps on your system18:37
DocScrutinizer05while backupmenu creates a disk image18:37
ApicThen i just need to restore the Contacts18:37
ApicThen when i frobbed around enough, i'll create a Disk Image18:38
DocScrutinizer05osso-backup also saves a few config file and other app specific data, **when the app told it so**18:38
Apic+will have18:38
DocScrutinizer05e.g. contacts18:39
DocScrutinizer05or highscores of your acme-game18:39
DocScrutinizer05or whatever18:39
ApicAnd what do i use to restore the Phone Contact List?18:39
ApicFrom the .zip the Backup Program once created?18:39
DocScrutinizer05osso-backup does NOT handle versions of apps to restore, it simply always installs the newest version available18:39
DocScrutinizer05osso-backup restore function has a nice dialog where you cen select what to restore18:40
DocScrutinizer05restoring contacts-list should be a straight forward simple task18:41
ApicBut the Dialog does not present me with _anything_.18:41
ApicIt says (No Backups available)  (In German)18:42
ApicEven though there _is_ the Folder backups on my MyDocs18:42
DocScrutinizer05then probably no backups are available on the location the osso-backup expects them to be18:42
DocScrutinizer05(it looks on MyDocs and on uSD)18:43
ApicHow do i find out where it expects them to be?18:43
ApicMaybe i'll just copy backups over to the microSDHC18:43
DocScrutinizer05when doing backups you can select if osso-backup stores them to MyDocs or to uSD18:43
DocScrutinizer05usually uSD is the smarter choice18:44
ApicIt found them on microSDHC now18:45
ApicNot the silentest Idea why it oversaw them on MyDocs/18:45
ApicThank You for Your Time and Dedication.18:45
DocScrutinizer05one location is /hone/user/MyDocs/backups/${name-you-gave-to-backup}/*.zip18:46
DocScrutinizer05there are (applications|backup|bookmarks|comm_and_cal|other|settings).zip18:47
ApicThey lay right there18:47
Apic(And still do)18:47
ApicOk, now it starts Program Manager to refetch the Apps18:48
Apic(Packages ;-))18:48
Apic\o/18:48 is just a list of apps to re-install with App Manager18:49 I'm sure you already guessed what it contains18:49
DocScrutinizer05vcard format, zipped18:50
DocScrutinizer05err, sorry18:50
ApicNot SQLite Stuff?18:50
DocScrutinizer05nope, the contacts get exported to vcard, then zipped18:52
ApicSo normally they are SQLite, but the Export Process saves them to VCard18:52
ApicI'll go buy an Icecream Waffle now while my Phone installs the Stuff18:53
ApicAnd thanks again18:53
DocScrutinizer05I guess is zipped into maybe comm_and_cal.zip18:55
DocScrutinizer05(I'm missing unzip on my IroN900)18:55
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* DocScrutinizer05 should create a chroot env where all those bloated catalogs like extras-devel are enabled in HAM18:56
DocScrutinizer05but probably that would scare the shit out of apt when there are two unlinked unsynced databases on same system18:57
DocScrutinizer05I guess I could hack a lil fancy to swap all the catalog/repo definition files between 2 versions, from cmdline18:59
DocScrutinizer05so no more need to start up HAM and edit them from there18:59
DocScrutinizer05enable-all-catalogs && apt-get install unzip && enable-basic-catalogs19:00
DocScrutinizer05enable-all-catalogs && apt-get update && apt-get install unzip && enable-basic-catalogs19:00
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a plan to warm up for some hacking ;-)19:02
Ashley`i'd toltally ise that19:02
ApicI'm _so_ glad that /home did not get overflashed…19:12
ApicHave my chroot- and Tethering-Shellscripts there…19:13
ApicWhen Program Manager will have finished with installing back my Apps, first Thing i'll do will be make a Backup with the eleet Backupmenu19:14
Apic_Then_ trying to deploy iptables again ;-)19:14
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a plan19:15
bencohwhich reminds me I still have to install a kernel-power (nat, bleh)19:16
bencohdo you think backporting mptcp would be possible ? :p19:16
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, already looks good19:29
DocScrutinizer05or rather
DocScrutinizer05fsckng docpurge19:31
* DocScrutinizer05 waves19:32
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RaimuOK, I was thinking of filing a bug for sharing-plugin-facebook not validating but from what I gather won't accept bug reports for old Nokia software anymore19:39
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RaimuAdditionally, found an older bug for sharing-plugin-facebook where it was indicated that anything in that blob will be insta-wontfix so I guess that's that19:40
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ApicThe backupmenu has an fsck Option, too!  \o/19:56
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DocScrutinizer05toldya BM does other cute things too20:18
DocScrutinizer05[2014-04-14 Mon 17:05:52] <DocScrutinizer05> and bm can do a lot more of nice things20:19
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ApicGood Night (UGT).22:25
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