IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2014-03-23

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Munrekthis is much better00:01
DocScrutinizer05then it might've been flux from crappy solder00:02
DocScrutinizer05you should use flux, definitely. But for sure no usual flux, but only noclean flux explicitly meant "for SMT"00:03
DocScrutinizer05without such flux, your desoldering braid won't work nicely00:04
DocScrutinizer05  !!!   and
DocScrutinizer05Munrek: you might be lucky that the upper three electric pads (D+/-, Vbus) might still work00:10
DocScrutinizer05ground pad is definitely dead, but also pretty redundant00:11
DocScrutinizer05ID pin (2nd from bottom) is hard to tell from photo00:11
Munrekin fact, the photo makes the situation worse than it is, I am pretty sure they are all intact00:13
DocScrutinizer05Munrek: first approach see the two testpoints of D+/- under the battery. Test with a proper electronic DVM if they are connected to the USB pads00:13
DocScrutinizer05ooh, then fine :-)00:13
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Munrekdo I need to solder the five small pins, or the contact with the usb socket will be enough ?00:16
DocScrutinizer05you need to connect all 5 electric pins of USB component to their pads or alternative solder points00:17
Snafu777DocScrutinizer05: What do you recommend for ftp via cmd line with the n900?00:18
DocScrutinizer05proper soldering is mandatory00:18
Snafu777I'm compiling inetutils from GNU, but i figure maybe something already exists00:18
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: ssh00:18
Snafu777yes, but i want an ftp client00:18
DocScrutinizer05never needed that00:18
Snafu777I shall release an inetutils.deb then00:19
Snafu777Make myself useful00:19
DocScrutinizer05Munrek:  -  watch out for "SMT"00:20
Snafu777seeing as how i can't exactly ssh to an ftp server, i think there is a need00:20
Snafu777and ncftp sucks00:21
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: not my problem00:21
DocScrutinizer05use packet interface to search00:21
Snafu777Not a problem, this is where hacking comes into play DocScrutinizer05 =)00:21
Snafu777Find a file, configure it for the n90000:21
Snafu777dpkg-deb it00:21
MunrekDocScrutinizer05: thanks, I will train myself before trying the operation00:22
Munrekthis is going to be hardcore I guess.00:22
DocScrutinizer05good plan00:22
Snafu777hardest part is making sure i grab the associated libraries and whatnot00:22
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MaxdamantusI've always found gftp(-text) suitable00:22
Snafu777didn't know u could do that00:23
infobotpkg is, like,
Maxdamantusthough I don't use FTP much.00:23
DocScrutinizer05seems there are at least 7 different ftp related things available00:24
Snafu777None of them are ftp-clients00:24
Snafu777for the commandline00:24
Snafu777lftp? don't see it00:25
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: uhuh00:25
Maxdamantusgftp-text - colored FTP client using GLib00:25
nox-yeah it may not be ported yet :/00:25
MaxdamantusI see it.00:25
Maxdamantuswait, I'm in Debian, nvm00:25
Snafu777Heh, so do I now00:25
Snafu777Oh well, just goes to show how much I miss stuff even though I look closely for it =/00:26
DocScrutinizer05enoguh piecemeal?00:27
* Snafu777 sighs00:27
Snafu777Alright, I've rebuilt it00:27
Snafu777Franken900 is alive!00:27
Snafu777And son of a bitch00:28
Snafu777I install my debs00:28
Snafu777and fricking Cherry is an issue still00:28
DocScrutinizer05tpget ftpput00:28
Snafu777what the heck00:28
Snafu777Are there packages which would break notmynokia?00:29
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I feel like getting impatient with this00:29
Snafu777I don't get it.  Everything was good till those .debs were dpkg -i'd00:31
Snafu777As soon as a reboot, I get the message showing me a text tried to go through00:31
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infobotwell, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.00:38
DocScrutinizer05wtf @
DocScrutinizer05and you seem to suffer an xyz problem00:38
Snafu777It's a list of debs i dpkg -i'd after i upgraded the system and did some bind mounting and what not00:38
Snafu777I just want the n900 to work how it should DocScrutinizer05 =/00:39
Snafu777Now I can't seem to stop cherry00:39
Snafu777not even with apt-get purge cherry00:39
Snafu777the damn phone still sends out 2 text messages after bootup00:39
DocScrutinizer05ooh, then dpkg -i $RANDOM for sure is the *right* thing to do00:39
Snafu777You sure I shouldn't rm -rf /?00:40
Snafu777I figure that would probably solve it better you know00:40
* Snafu777 waiting for the inevitable message from t-mobile00:40
Snafu777and there it is00:40
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Snafu777So, if apt-get purge cherry removes cherry, how/why would the n900 still be sending out text messages00:41
Snafu777I did read the wiki DocScrutinizer05.  I'm using PR1.3 if that matters.00:44
DocScrutinizer05once a SMS is in spool-buffer, you don't need cherry to make that SMS get sent out eventually. I dunno what makes you think you need to do your own partitioning/bindmounts. I dunno why you think installing arbitrary .deb built for another platform might ever work. I hafe no friggin clue where from you got that dang, and I for sure have no idea what those are doing, though sendsms.deb sounds fishy00:45
Snafu777sendsms.deb allows me to send sms messages from the commandline00:46
infobotit has been said that phonecontrol is
DocScrutinizer05I'm out. your approach is too advanced for my humble knowledge, so I can't help on your enterprise to turn N900 into a dunnowhat, ubuntu PC or whatever00:47
bencoh(hmm, I wonder why cellnet-info has so much deps compared to just reading /com/nokia/phone/net :)00:48
Snafu777Thanks for trying DocScrutinizer05 =(00:48
Snafu777Alright.  Time to take a break.  I'm going to reflash --again......  I'll avoid a custom bindmount setup.  I guess i'll go down the line trying to install stuff00:52
Snafu777I love the n900, but this sms cherry thing is piss poor on the design and i'd love to smack the shit out of the person responsible for coming up with the idea00:52
DocScrutinizer05I meanwhile think you might have a rogue software installed, with one of your random .deb00:54
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Snafu777I dunno00:55
Snafu777If i did apt-get purge cherry00:55
Snafu777It shouldnt send if i removed all things .txt in /var/sms/spool, correct?00:55
Snafu777It's a definite possibility DocScrutinizer0500:55
DocScrutinizer05anyway I'm out, I get bored listening to speculations00:55
Snafu777Alright, testing out the SoftAp before the re-wipe00:57
Snafu777Hopefully she hold's steady for a minute +00:57
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DocScrutinizer05ROTFL!  >>speedpatch_4.0_armel.deb<<01:03
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DocScrutinizer05[2014-03-22 07:09:03] <DocScrutinizer05> you probably shouldn't: apt-get (dist-)upgrade|autoremove, edit apt sources files (use HAM catalogs mgmt for that), keep maemo-extras-devel (or -testing) enabled; use fapman01:07
DocScrutinizer05[2014-03-22 07:09:19] <DocScrutinizer05> and01:07
DocScrutinizer05[2014-03-22 07:09:25] <DocScrutinizer05> ~crappatch01:07
DocScrutinizer05[2014-03-22 07:09:27] <infobot> somebody said speedpatch was >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]01:07
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Snafu777'Twas a misconfigure application DocScrutinizer05 =)05:03
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Snafu777<Snafu777> Question for the saavy ones here:  If I move a folder, and create a symbolic link to it05:10
Snafu777<Snafu777> then copy the folder where the symbolic link was to another location via cp -ar05:10
Snafu777<Snafu777> Does that symbolic link still hold true in the copied folder?05:10
Snafu777<Snafu777> mv /usr/share/nokia-maps /home/opt/rootfs_bind05:10
Snafu777<Snafu777> ln -s /home/opt/rootfs_bind/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps05:10
Snafu777<Snafu777> cp -ar /usr /home/rootfs_bind05:10
Snafu777<Snafu777> mount --rbind /home/rootfs_bind/usr /usr05:10
Snafu777<Snafu777> Much hugs to anyone who can help me =)05:10
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wihcI just installed Pali's Uboot on N900. The Menu already does have a boot from SD Option. How does the SD Layout have to look like for this to work? Do I have to put the kernel on a fat partition or can I have a single ext4 root partition?07:27
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MaxdamantusMm .. he left.07:44
Maxdamantusbut the answer should've been: yes, you can have a single ext4 root partition.07:45
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monogletscan I have same tools as busybox native on maemo? what kind of tools it have ssh? iptables? can I compile packages as we do in linux?11:41
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hxkaUh, what? There is a full-featured port of busybox in busybox-power package, if that's what you're asking for12:07
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fasttrackhi all15:52
fasttracki have a question15:52
fasttrackmy el-v1.db is more then 10mb15:53
fasttrackand i want to sort of flush it,15:53
fasttracklike reset it without disturbing other thing on my device15:53
fasttrackbasically remove all conversations from it15:54
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Sicelofasttrack: simplest, most pain-free thing is delete the any converstation items (sms, chats), and call history16:13
Sicelofrom the respective applications16:14
fasttrackSicelo, the thing is the conversations items are SO many i can probably end up scrolling and marking delete these items for hours, very slow process16:15
fasttrackI was thinking what if somehow manipulate this .db file and remove stuff16:15
merlin1991fasttrack: there is a delete all option somewehre in the converesation menu16:15
Sicelochoose Delete in menu, then hit Ctrl+A on keyboard16:16
fasttrackno it says delete conversations, and then it presents you the whole conversation items, you keep on marking all of them then press delete which wud delete them16:16
fasttrackoh ok16:16
fasttrackso this would also completely remove all skype convos also right16:17
Siceloeverything which was received by Conversations application16:17
fasttrackand the effect on the size of the el-v1.db should be immediate?16:17
Sicelolikely :p16:19
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fasttrackwhere are the contacts stored in n90016:38
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fasttrackthere doesnt seem to be a one Table in the el-v1.db that has just the contacts info,16:38
fasttrackthere is Remotes table which has the info but its a log of something else, not just specifically for contacts16:39
Sicelowhy do you want to manipulate dbs directly?16:41
fasttracki'm trying to make a lil app where I can view all conversations on my laptop, by copying the el-v1.db on my pc, an app around that16:42
fasttrackso I will click a contact and all the conversations will be shown, years of conversations16:43
Siceloi forgot actual file containing contacts.. but iirc it was encrypted16:45
Gatta_NegraACTION is away: Може да съм наоколо, но не разчитай!16:47
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fasttrackyup ecnrypted16:51
DocScrutinizer05simply deleting el-v1,db (or rather, renaming it to something like *_backup) should also work afaik16:51
DocScrutinizer05it will get re-created on next boot16:51
DocScrutinizer05empty, of course16:52
Siceloi don't know sqlite enought to know how you can decrypt that address-book.db, but you can export it to vCard using `osso-addressbook-backup -e your_file`16:53
DocScrutinizer0510MB is huuuge, and will bring your device to a grinding halt, since it hogs RAM when the db engine is caching all that stuff16:53
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fasttrackits Berkeley-DB format stuff16:53
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: adrrbook is berkley16:54
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Sicelocool ;_16:56
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: ^^^ is cool16:57
DocScrutinizer05 alternative16:59
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Sicelonice scripts. i don't see how to search for a contact with wildcards17:12
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infobotsomebody said cssu was
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Snafu777DocScrutinizer05: I recommend you study the following18:03
infobotmethinks xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.18:03
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DocScrutinizer05is this snafu 12 years old?18:28
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monogletsis python native on maemo?20:41
hxkaWhat do you mean?20:42
monogletsig its part of the native packages20:42
monogletsor you should do someting to install it20:42
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hxkaNo, it's not part of the "native" packages20:44
monogletswow thats great20:45
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monogletsand is there the same binaries as any linux distro?20:47
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Sicelobasically, yes20:58
Sicelomaemo is obviouly not 100% with others (debian), but comes really close20:59
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NIN101many programs in the repo are quite dated by now though, not getting updates.21:00
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DocScrutinizer05nothing stops you to update them22:33
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DocScrutinizer05also see22:38
DocScrutinizer05and particularly
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DocScrutinizer05actually the main difference between maemo and debian (left aside the obvious customizations for embedded and phonecalls/realtime-audio) is the packaging. Fremantle is one large metapackage, and you shouldn't try *any* of the things you know from standard debian to update, like apt-get upgrade or - worse- dist-upgrade23:02
DocScrutinizer05maemo is using upstart, and hildon-desktop23:03
DocScrutinizer05many processes get preloaded, and "started" via dbus-message rather than commandline23:04
DocScrutinizer05but yes, when working on a remote ssh from your PC via WLAN to N900, you can forget what's this machine you're talking to, every now and then23:06
DocScrutinizer05monoglets: maybe a good hint on how maemo feels:23:07
infoboti guess jrtools is
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