IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2014-03-22

DocScrutinizer05	actually https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/includes/?view=log sounds like it would fix exactly all the problems we're facing in wiki right now	00:02
DocScrutinizer05	except the problem of "corrupted" data that got introduced to database due to no proper handling of nicknames	00:03
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DocScrutinizer05	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62396 mentions all the points I pulled outa my a.... before, even the conflicts situation that probably gets also blocked by garage. Yet the bug is a mere 2 weeks old, and I have little hopes it will get solved in upstream in considerable timespan	00:18
povbot	Bug 62396: was not found.	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	incredible how mediawiki got away with this for years and nobody starting to go crazy about it	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	it's so blatantly obviously broken defective design	00:20
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BCMM	anybody find that POI search no longer works in Modrana?	00:49
DocScrutinizer05	we had same report a few days ago in here - if that not been you	00:54
DocScrutinizer05	umm, [2014-03-12 16:22:08] <BCMM_> is online POI search broken in Modrana, or is it just me?	00:55
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DocScrutinizer05	you probably should talk to modrana developer, which I know is hanging around here in this channel, though I forgot who is it	00:56
DocScrutinizer05	martink?	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	right, Martin Kolman	00:59
DocScrutinizer05	~seen martink	00:59
infobot	DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'martink'	00:59
DocScrutinizer05	oooh	01:01
DocScrutinizer05	~seen m4rtink	01:01
infobot	m4rtink <~M4rtinK@ip-78-102-146-9.net.upcbroadband.cz> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8d 1h 33m 26s ago, saying: 'Gear_: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SQLiteTilesImportPerlScriptEN'.	01:01
BCMM	DocScrutinizer05: yeah sorry, was outside actually looking for somewhere then	01:02
BCMM	and rapidly realised i would run out of battery power if i stayed on IRC :)	01:02
BCMM	i should test it again actually, just in case it was an actual server problem	01:03
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.org/profile/view/martink/	01:03
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DocScrutinizer05	~seen dneary	01:06
infobot	dneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 765d 10h 32m 52s ago, saying: 'Nightrose, I'll ping you again tomorrow :)'.	01:06
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	01:06
DocScrutinizer05	[2014-03-22 00:05:59] [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary	01:07
DocScrutinizer05	[2014-03-22 00:05:59] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Mar 21 14:50:04 2014 (8 hours, 15 minutes, 55 seconds ago)	01:07
DocScrutinizer05	ashley: maybe it would be worth it to ping dneary about those patches he did in https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/maemo2midgard/mediawiki/includes/?view=log	01:08
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Snafu777	If i am using the following packages, do I need to have kernel-power-settings installed as well?	05:41
Snafu777	dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 23542161ca5b6875726da3d86f67a7e1]	05:41
Snafu777	dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-headers_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 47bc304bec03eee661498b2448870d3e]	05:41
Snafu777	dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 707ac4233b3fe62c953a8f59c7ce24b1]	05:41
Snafu777	dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 0da53d19401f4d71cdebad551ca9166e]	05:41
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DocScrutinizer05	kernel-power-settings is an app	06:44
DocScrutinizer05	so, no	06:44
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DocScrutinizer05	then otoh kernel-power-flasher is also an "app"	06:46
DocScrutinizer05	while kernel-power-headers prolly is a sourcecode pkg	06:47
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Snafu777	DocScrutinizer05: Okay, so I am wiping my N900 and trying to follow the community way of doing things. The only thing I "require" is packet-injection capabilities	07:12
Snafu777	From a fresh flash, what should I apt-get	07:12
Snafu777	If you don't mind	07:12
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Snafu777	I kept having troubles with the cherry thing, once I wiped, so I figure, I'll try the "proper" way, and since you are very adept with it, I figure I can ask you and you can point me =)	07:13
Snafu777	I'm slick and saavy with linux, so no worries on the noob side with trying to figure out what a command does	07:13
Snafu777	I hate to keep wiping my eMMC, but it's how I know that I am starting from scratch	07:14
Snafu777	The only thing different I have done as of right now is to: sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/VANILLA.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin	07:14
Snafu777	erp	07:14
Snafu777	sed -e "s/2048/9216/" RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin>patched-VANILLA.bin	07:14
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DocScrutinizer05	looks ok	07:25
DocScrutinizer05	you however should steer clear of apt-get usually	07:25
DocScrutinizer05	and particularly not edit your sources file manually, since HAM doesn't like that, or rather just gnores and overwrites it	07:26
DocScrutinizer05	apt-get is fine for non-gui stuff, basically. And not even then always. Some things you rather should install via HAM, since they involve stuff that apt can't do	07:28
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Snafu777	Hmm	07:28
Snafu777	As soon as I installed my debs, cherry became an issue again =(	07:29
Snafu777	I guess I need to stick with pymaemo and all the optification nonsense to avoid it	07:29
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DocScrutinizer05	community should create their own fixed COMBINED, kicking nonsense like cherry into outer orbit or completely out of this system	07:32
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DocScrutinizer05	but then HiFo gets panic again, since this is (C)-Nokia and we mustn't touch it, heck some say we mustn't even own it	07:33
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Snafu777	https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU <---- Complete	07:43
Snafu777	So DocScrutinizer05: Am I still able to install kernel-power and whatnot for packet injection?	07:43
Snafu777	Is there anything I should not do (apt-get dist-upgrade, etc...) so that I don't break it?	07:44
Snafu777	the biggest thing with the way that I used to install and play with stuff on my n900 was that I had to be real weary of adding anything	07:45
Snafu777	lest I break the packet injection capabilities	07:45
Snafu777	I've never done stuff the "official" maemo way, even though I've had my n900 for 2+ years now	07:46
Snafu777	I feel so "new" with it doing it this way	07:46
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DocScrutinizer05	I think powerkernel comes with injection drivers, and even a script to enable (aka modprobe) and disable them	08:06
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DocScrutinizer05	powerkernel is 100% compatible to CSSU	08:06
DocScrutinizer05	you probably shouldn't: apt-get (dist-)upgrade\|autoremove, edit apt sources files (use HAM catalogs mgmt for that), keep maemo-extras-devel (or -testing) enabled; use fapman	08:09
DocScrutinizer05	and	08:09
DocScrutinizer05	~crappatch	08:09
infobot	somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]	08:09
Snafu777	last questions for you doc	08:10
Snafu777	Regarding using the n900 as is, without my crazy rbind techniques	08:10
Snafu777	if i want to install something	08:10
Snafu777	and i do it via apt-get or dpkg -i	08:10
Snafu777	is there a trick i can use so it's on /home/opt?	08:10
DocScrutinizer05	I heard there are options to install to somewhere else than the designated dirs	08:11
Snafu777	Yeah, but you yourself, what do you do?	08:11
DocScrutinizer05	but there's also a number of optify tools	08:11
Snafu777	for after the fact, or beforehand?	08:11
DocScrutinizer05	I never have this problem, tbh	08:11
DocScrutinizer05	for after	08:11
Snafu777	and do i run it againt the .deb prior to dpkg -i?	08:12
Snafu777	or do i point it at a dir	08:12
Snafu777	?	08:12
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Sicelo	the question is what would you be installing via deb/apt? if it's already optified, no need for 'tricks'	08:12
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# maemo-optify-	08:12
DocScrutinizer05	maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh maemo-optify-firstboot.sh maemo-optify-lib.sh maemo-optify-make-mountbind.sh	08:12
DocScrutinizer05	less `which maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh `	08:14
Snafu777	yeah im checking it out	08:14
Snafu777	I'm just curious how a script can deal with this type of issue	08:15
Snafu777	for instance, curl	08:15
Snafu777	if i build it from source	08:15
Snafu777	on a non optified system	08:15
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=optify&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same	08:15
Snafu777	and dpkg-deb it	08:15
Snafu777	it's going to install however the configure file built it	08:15
DocScrutinizer05	it simply moves binaries to /opt and creates symlinks in place of originals	08:16
Snafu777	so if it's set to drop into /foo/kill	08:16
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Snafu777	Okay, but without me reading the script from top to bottom and mapping out exactly what it does	08:16
Snafu777	just for giggles, i tried maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh /	08:17
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DocScrutinizer05	check out the links I gave, there's a micro-howto somewhere. IIRC you feed that thing a textfile with dirs and/or binaries to optify	08:17
DocScrutinizer05	suuuure, this will pan out excellently	08:18
Snafu777	Okay, so lets say it popped some files in /usr/share/some_folder	08:19
Snafu777	do I need to know it popped some files there?	08:19
* Maxdamantus just has everything on the same filesystem, so when it bind mounts /home/opt /opt, it's still within the same filesystem.		08:20
Maxdamantus	and /home/maemo5-root is the root of the OS (so that's chrooted into as init is run)	08:21
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DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/maemo-optify/0.2.1/ -> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/source/m/maemo-optify/maemo-optify_0.2.1.tar.gz -> README	08:22
Snafu777	How'd you set that up from the getgo Maxdamantus ?	08:22
Snafu777	I kind of did something like that, but it still had / on the NAND	08:22
Snafu777	vs your chroot stuff	08:22
Snafu777	Seems like you have a way better technique	08:22
DocScrutinizer05	you need pivot_root for that	08:23
Maxdamantus	the NAND still actually has the OS, but it's not used (other than the busybox sh, mount, chroot etc for the prepreinit)	08:23
Maxdamantus	Meh, don't need pivot_root.	08:23
Maxdamantus	though it might be cleaner.	08:23
Snafu777	mkdir -p /home/rootfs_bind/var/cache/apt	08:23
Snafu777	cp -ar /var/cache/apt/* /home/rootfs_bind/var/cache/apt	08:23
Snafu777	cp -ar /opt /home/rootfs_bind	08:23
Snafu777	cp -ar /usr /home/rootfs_bind	08:23
Snafu777	cp -ar /sbin /home/rootfs_bind	08:23
Snafu777	cp -ar /lib /home/rootfs_bind	08:23
Snafu777	cp -ar /root /home/rootfs_bind	08:24
Snafu777	touch /home/rootfs_bind/THESE_ARE_SYSTEM_BIND_MOUNTS	08:24
Snafu777	cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/sources.list /etc/apt/	08:24
Snafu777	chown -R user:root /home/user/MyDocs	08:24
Snafu777	chown -R user:users /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/	08:24
Snafu777	that was my technique	08:24
Snafu777	Still left some stuff on / (which i did not like)	08:24
Maxdamantus	I can't remember if pivot_root is the one that expects to essentially `rm -rf` the original tree.	08:24
Snafu777	Do you have your direction Maxdamantus ?	08:24
Snafu777	And before that, I had to do a modification to the following:	08:25
Snafu777	http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=optify&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same	08:25
Snafu777	blah	08:25
Snafu777	cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/rcS-late /etc/event.d/rcS-late	08:25
Snafu777	chmod 644 /etc/event.d/rcS-late	08:25
Snafu777	cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/genfstab.awk /usr/lib/genfstab.awk	08:25
Snafu777	chmod 755 /usr/lib/genfstab.awk	08:25
Snafu777	those two files	08:25
Maxdamantus	other than copying the files to the right places, there's a small script that replaces /sbin/preinit on the NAND filesystem (replaces so you don't need to set init= in the cmdline)	08:26
Maxdamantus	and disabling an automatic fstab generation thing somewhere.	08:27
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Maxdamantus	https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/01e0925fb0a303374123	08:29
Maxdamantus	kind of ad-hoc.	08:29
Maxdamantus	ah, and there was some issue with dbus.	08:31
Maxdamantus	afaict, the normal dbus configuration shouldn't actually work.	08:32
Snafu777	Heh	08:32
Snafu777	Yer super far ahead of me in linux knowledge Maxdamantus =)	08:32
Maxdamantus	but it only stopped working after moving the root filesystem, for some reason.	08:32
Maxdamantus	the issue was a permission one of user being able to listen on services or something.	08:33
Maxdamantus	if you run into that issue, it'll probably hang on the dots.	08:33
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Maxdamantus	also included in that gist above.	08:35
Maxdamantus	mce in particular.	08:35
* Maxdamantus doesn't really understand dbus though.		08:37
Maxdamantus	looks like the last rule should take care of what the added bit (<policy> for user="user") added.	08:38
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Snafu777	too bad I can't just mount / /home/opt	08:41
Snafu777	er	08:41
Snafu777	mount / /home/opt/rootfs	08:41
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Maxdamantus	you can with --bind	08:43
Maxdamantus	then you'll see the root filesystem without the other mounts on top of it.	08:44
Snafu777	Still doesn't solve the 96MB free on / problem	08:45
Snafu777	no matter which way you mount it =(	08:45
Snafu777	and I'm evidently not linux saavy enough to figure this out	08:45
Maxdamantus	Ah, thought you were looking for an easy way to copy stuff off it.	08:45
Snafu777	Trying to figure out an easier way than my current way to fix the / problem for the n900	08:45
Snafu777	great device	08:45
Snafu777	but whoever the hell thought of the filesystem layout at Nokia should be shot	08:46
Maxdamantus	just make the new root in /home/maemo5-root or something, bind-mount / somewhere else so you can `cp -vax` from it to /home/maemo5-root	08:46
Snafu777	Tell u what Maxdamantus: it's late as hell here	08:47
Snafu777	I'd love to show you my progress I've made, and possibly exchange ideas	08:47
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DocScrutinizer05	what's "the problem" in 96MB free on / ? I'd say that's pretty fine	08:50
Maxdamantus	just having to worry about it.	08:51
Maxdamantus	Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on	08:51
Maxdamantus	/dev/sdd2 7.3T 5.4T 1.9T 74% /	08:51
DocScrutinizer05	I never worry about that. Why should I? For the fun of worrying about something?	08:51
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DocScrutinizer05	I start to worry about /var/log/syslog size, after 120 days of uptime	08:55
DocScrutinizer05	>/var/log/syslog	08:55
DocScrutinizer05	fixes that worries in no time	08:55
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Snafu777	I worry about it DocScrutinizer05, because most sourcefiles on the internet don't worry about optification, and unless you mod the makefile, or add certain files to configure, then those sourcefiles output fills the n900 up rather quickly	08:57
Snafu777	and each sourcefile has it's own little tweak and issues	08:57
DocScrutinizer05	others are not worried about syslogs of early boot, and thus place their syslog to MyDocs	08:57
Snafu777	So much so that it's frickin frustrating to develop on the n900 from a non scratchbox method	08:57
DocScrutinizer05	Snafu777: I don't get it. you say you compile stuff from random sources meant for random target platforms to install it on maemo, and you worst worries you have are about optification? :-o	08:58
Snafu777	I hack it up dude =)	08:59
Snafu777	I make it work	08:59
Snafu777	not random platforms per se	08:59
Snafu777	but i'll grab a source.tar.gz	08:59
DocScrutinizer05	~xy	08:59
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.	08:59
Snafu777	try configure	08:59
Snafu777	make	08:59
Snafu777	make install	08:59
Snafu777	and if it works, great	08:59
Snafu777	if not, i'll play with some flags on configure	08:59
Snafu777	typically I build on Mint, and port to my n900 =) by modding the flags on make	09:00
Snafu777	make HOME=foo or whatever the makefile talks about	09:00
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Sicelo	;)	09:01
DocScrutinizer05	you know, there's a compile time option to determine where to install that stuff to	09:01
Snafu777	Sure	09:01
Snafu777	But sometimes I go with a straight .deb from wheezy debian	09:01
Snafu777	things like that	09:01
Snafu777	depends on what proggie I want	09:01
Snafu777	armel style	09:02
DocScrutinizer05	meh	09:02
Sicelo	wheezy, heh	09:02
Snafu777	I just use what i find that works	09:02
Snafu777	or lenny	09:02
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Snafu777	im thinking wheezy for kali	09:02
Snafu777	so disregard	09:02
Snafu777	lenny = n900 friendly	09:02
Sicelo	the programs you're installing aren't already available for N900?	09:02
Snafu777	Take curl for instance	09:03
Snafu777	My hacked up version of curl has options you cant get with the apt-get install version	09:03
Snafu777	because i added everysingle library i could find	09:03
Snafu777	and configured it as such =)	09:03
DocScrutinizer05	when you're such a venturous hacker that you install lenny .debs on fremantle, but are shy to mv /bin/$leeteproggi /opt/bin && ln -s /opt/bin/$leetproggi; then I dunno what to say	09:04
DocScrutinizer05	except	09:04
DocScrutinizer05	~xy	09:04
infobot	methinks xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.	09:04
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DocScrutinizer05	sure, creating a fremantle rootfs on eMMC is for sure muuuuch easier	09:05
Snafu777	http://configitnow.com/repo/pool/utils/c/curl-n900/curl-n900_7.18.2_armel.deb	09:05
Snafu777	I'm just shy of bricking my 2nd n900 doc =(	09:05
DocScrutinizer05	and that fremantle really is crap, it never works like you expect it to work with your lenny debs and your hacked chroot	09:06
Snafu777	Agreed	09:06
Snafu777	100% with you	09:06
DocScrutinizer05	you can't brick N900	09:06
Snafu777	Oh...	09:06
Snafu777	I nuked my first one	09:06
Snafu777	from a lot of eMMC reflashes	09:06
DocScrutinizer05	with a hammer?	09:06
Sicelo	interesting.. yesterday you were suggesting that's not true..	09:06
Snafu777	With the concrete after the programs on a fresh flash kept crashing	09:06
Snafu777	Sicelo: Me?	09:07
Snafu777	The reason I use lenny .debs is because the arm versions seem to work	09:08
Snafu777	and if it "seems" to work, then why not =) it prevents me from compiling and dealing with the nonsense	09:08
Sicelo	19:13 < Sicelo> so?	09:08
Sicelo	19:13 < Snafu777> Doesn't that mean it has a limited number of "lives"?	09:08
Sicelo	19:14 < Sicelo> your experience does not prove or disprove anything at all	09:08
Snafu777	Yeah, I mentioned it yesterday	09:09
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Snafu777	that it has a limited number of lives, because whatever i was reading or what we were talking about seemed to back up that flashing to the nand x amount of times kills it	09:09
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* Maxdamantus would like to see if he can just ditch the special phone OS at some point.		09:09
Snafu777	i kid you not, I bought a used n900 in vegas in 2012	09:09
Snafu777	flashed it around 45+ times	09:10
Snafu777	and it just started freaking out	09:10
Snafu777	would randomly crash on terminal being opened	09:10
Snafu777	things like that	09:10
Snafu777	So eventually, out of frustration, i made it go airborne =0	09:10
DocScrutinizer05	you kid, I not	09:10
Snafu777	And express ordered one the next day via ebay	09:10
Snafu777	had my 2nd one sense	09:10
Snafu777	since	09:10
Maxdamantus	there's some n900 implemenation of a freephonesomething DBus API	09:11
DocScrutinizer05	sure	09:11
Maxdamantus	should just be able to run that and add simple SMS UIs around it	09:11
DocScrutinizer05	needed by SHR	09:11
Snafu777	Truthfully, the reason I love the n900 so much is that it is the smallest device that has the capability to do packet injection	09:11
Sicelo	Maxdamantus: even ofono works. btw, see http://elinux.org .. in future you s hould be able to run a vanilla kernel on N900 (may still need a few patches though)	09:12
Maxdamantus	run xmonad with a less keyful config	09:12
Maxdamantus	I'll see what that is in a bit, afpk (p = phone)	09:13
Snafu777	Well, anyways it is late. Thanks for putting up with me, I know I can seem to test your patience DocScrutinizer05 =)	09:13
Snafu777	I look forward to your reply Maxdamantus =)	09:13
DocScrutinizer05	Snafu777: yes, NAND writes are limited to maybe 10000 (to each single page)	09:13
Snafu777	Snafu777> i kid you not, I bought a used n900 in vegas in 2012	09:14
Snafu777	Not sure how "used" it was	09:14
Snafu777	but I murdered it	09:14
Snafu777	=)	09:14
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Snafu777	Anyways, goodnight people =)	09:14
Snafu777	Good chatting	09:14
DocScrutinizer05	for eMMC that limit should be a few magnitudes higher though	09:14
Snafu777	and try my curl version	09:14
Snafu777	it's waaaay better =)	09:15
Snafu777	=)---->------<	09:15
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DocScrutinizer05	'...bricked my eMMC by flashing it 45 times' TZZZ	09:15
DocScrutinizer05	probably cracked eMMC chip by pressing on the keyboard really violently	09:16
Sicelo	:p	09:16
DocScrutinizer05	or ran nandtest, and mixed up eMMC and NAND	09:17
DocScrutinizer05	nandtest is made to wear out nand	09:17
DocScrutinizer05	it's one of the two ways I know of, that you really can brick your N900 with	09:18
DocScrutinizer05	without using brute mechanical or electrical force	09:18
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DocScrutinizer05	nandtest --passes 9999999 --offset 0 --length 300000	09:29
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Maxdamantus	oFono seems somewhat vague .. "a place to bring developers together .."	09:34
Maxdamantus	but it seems to include a Linux tree.	09:35
Sicelo	:) it works, i used it with Debian on the N900, and could use 3G, as well as send sms messages.	09:35
Maxdamantus	what did you actually use to send SMS messages?	09:36
Sicelo	cli	09:36
Sicelo	also sent USSD codes :)	09:36
Maxdamantus	Oh, it's not a Linux tree.	09:36
Sicelo	there's some test scripts provided with ofono..	09:36
Maxdamantus	okay, so it ultimately provides a bunch of programs for doing telephony stuff, so should be a decent starting point.	09:37
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Sicelo	even phone calls would work, if it wasn't for weird mix of alsa, pulse, etc by nokia ..	09:39
Maxdamantus	were you using Debian while running Maemo normally?	09:41
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Maxdamantus	if you were running it without Maemo, presumably the weird mix Nokia uses should be irrelevant.	09:42
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Sicelo	i was not running maemo. booting debian	09:57
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Sicelo	i'm not a guru in these things, but there's something about cmt-speech which needs some specific things provided only by this mix-mash	09:58
Sicelo	if you look in the elinux page i gave before, someone's working on fixing this.. then we should be able to use N900 more easily :)	09:59
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Sicelo	Skry made some real good progress with this pulseaudio thing, so he was able to make phone calls in ArchLinux. he did not get to GUI stage	10:00
Ashley`	My N900 is "broken", u-boot, etcl. don't work, so if making calls from archlinux (easily from commandline) i'd be happy	10:02
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Maxdamantus	How would you get to ArchLinux if it's broken such that u-boot doesn't work?	10:04
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Ashley`	isnt it pssible to install it as main OS?	10:05
Ashley`	w/o dualboot	10:05
Ashley`	?	10:05
Maxdamantus	Sure, but if you can do that you can probably get u-boot to work.	10:06
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Maxdamantus	but why doesn't u-boot work?	10:07
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Ashley`	i dont know	10:07
Ashley`	it just cannot boot anything	10:07
Maxdamantus	So u-boot loads, but you can't boot anything?	10:07
Maxdamantus	how do you know you're trying correctly?	10:08
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Maxdamantus	u-boot doesn't normally boot standard Linux images. You need to wrap them in a special u-boot format that adds a header describing the architecture and stuff.	10:08
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Sicelo	Ashley`: test by booting your Arch via flasher.. load the kernel, don't flash it..	10:09
Sicelo	and with u-boot, make sure you're using right version	10:09
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DocScrutinizer05	Ashley`: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges	13:36
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kerio	damn i have to calibrate my battery again	13:48
Ashley`	DocScrutinizer05: tabfail i guess	13:48
Ashley`	ashley: 12:36:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Ashley`: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges	13:48
DocScrutinizer05	tabfail?	13:49
DocScrutinizer05	I'm talking about those "SUBJ1" spammers	13:50
DocScrutinizer05	they start to annoy me	13:50
DocScrutinizer05	must be some damn automatism, nobody sane in mind would simply delete a whole wikipage's content and place "SUBJ1" into the subject	13:51
DocScrutinizer05	and I start to want to attack that IP's machine	13:52
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Maxdamantus	Google autocompletes "subj1" to "subj1 spam"	13:53
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	13:53
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DocScrutinizer05	not much useful info though. Except maybe that one linkedin comment who suspects it comes from a work	14:02
DocScrutinizer05	anyway 91.207.7.82 either got hijacked by malware or some skiddie is practicing with a malware construction kit there	14:03
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DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:Tuxsavvy&curid=4807&diff=52823&oldid=45752&rcid=53215	14:13
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DocScrutinizer05	going to roll-back that edit	14:16
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Maxdamantus	that first IP address is on my ISP.	14:21
Maxdamantus	er, no it's not.	14:22
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DocScrutinizer05	Ashley`: maybe we actually should disallow edits for non-registered (anonymous) users. I opted for not doing it so far, with the argument that this way it's easier to spot and revert rogue edits. I'm not sure my approach been correct	14:49
DocScrutinizer05	@all: any opinions regarding that plan to block edits from anonymous on maemo wiki?	14:51
Ashley`	DocScrutinizer05: you're tabfailing	14:54
DocScrutinizer05	huh?	14:55
Ashley`	DocScrutinizer05: i'm not droid^WAshley you're looking for	14:55
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	14:55
Ashley`	:P	14:55
DocScrutinizer05	damn!	14:55
DocScrutinizer05	ashley: ^^^	14:56
Ashley`	i pinged ashley for you earlier :P	14:56
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, this ` failed my eyes	14:57
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Sicelo	DocScrutinizer05: @all is all of us here? i agree. edits hould be from registered users. such registration implies some level of trust. otherwise we could easily end up with inaccurate info, etc	15:22
gholen	So, Is there anyway to get the screen to rotate to both portrait AND landscapemode? I REALLY need that to make the N900 useful.	15:22
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Sicelo	gholen: modified-hildon-desktop.	15:22
DocScrutinizer05	err, rather	15:23
DocScrutinizer05	~cssu	15:23
infobot	it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU	15:23
Sicelo	CSSU already has it by default, and is very advisable to install	15:23
Sicelo	ah :)	15:23
DocScrutinizer05	and there particularly -testing	15:23
Sicelo	if i'm on stable, and want to move to -testing, anything more than just changing catalogs?	15:24
DocScrutinizer05	err, basically not, afaik	15:24
DocScrutinizer05	otoh you could just install the "missing features" "manually"	15:25
Sicelo	:)	15:25
DocScrutinizer05	Latest version: Testing(2014-01-01): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1	15:26
gholen	Sicelo: Thanks, but the Wiki itself is full with broken links and is hard to read (U run gentoo in development so yeah, I can read), so that have to wait in that case. I cant seem to get the exe working (I'd rather not put anything I dont fully trust on my gentoomashine), and yeah. back in the box you go!	15:27
DocScrutinizer05	uh?	15:27
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DocScrutinizer05	the heck. CSSU has one-click-install already. I can't come up with any idea how to further simplify this process	15:31
DocScrutinizer05	"eeeek! 50 lines of info? Nah, no time for that"	15:31
DocScrutinizer05	also I can't see any broken links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU	15:32
gholen	DocScrutinizer05: Sorry? I thought you where not talking to me, but anouther person, so CSSU ?	15:32
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DocScrutinizer05	gholen: yes	15:52
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gholen	DocScrutinizer05: Installed it, but apparently there is a bit of problems, as it cannot find some of the links enbedded in Community SSU. The program that is supposed to do the stuf is complaing about 404s ans sutch. :(	15:57
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DocScrutinizer05	o.O	16:02
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DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: ^^^	16:03
DocScrutinizer05	MohammadAG: ^^^	16:04
gholen	DocScrutinizer05: Installed it, but apparently there is a bit of problems, as it cannot find some of the links enbedded in Community SSU. The program that is supposed to do the stuf is complaing about 404s ans sutch. :(	16:04
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gholen	DocScrutinizer05: Think it looks better now. Some reboots later...	16:22
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DocScrutinizer05	gholen: maybe your connectivity was unstable?	16:24
gholen	DocScrutinizer05 Might be that, might be some other stuff. Looks like I got it working now tough :)	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	while the process of installing CSSU been tested and proven to work usually flawlessly, it's not designed to handle connectivity loss halfway in, and resuming the process isn't really a tested procedure	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	anyway, when you got "about CSSU" in your settings menu, and the info shown there is in line with what you tried to install, you should be fine	16:29
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Sicelo	i should think it will still work fine even if network goes crazy. install does not begin until all dependencies have been completely downloaded	17:10
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Munrek	hello guys, my n900's usb and his connectors on the PCB are completely broken, is there a clean and safe way to solder an external USB connector using test pads on the motherboard ?	19:31
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Belzebub	Hello	19:32
Munrek	I don't need Data, just a way to safely charge the device	19:34
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Munrek	but if there is also a way to have data and to be able to charge the battery without a bridge between d+ and d- ...	19:35
joga	I don't think it's safe to use the test pads for that	19:35
ecc3g	charge battery outside of unit, or have to get a USB connection working once more...	19:38
Munrek	I will try to clean the PCB and to solder a new USB connector, but I don't believe in miracles :/	19:42
joga	it's pretty tricky :(	19:42
joga	some hot air gun might help	19:42
Munrek	some of the ground pads are very ugly, and the USB little ones are not great too	19:44
Munrek	I am afraid that trying to solder on that mess would be useless	19:46
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DocScrutinizer05	~usbfix	21:34
infobot	it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and NEVER use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, or you will basically need two irons	21:34
DocScrutinizer05	Munrek: there are auxiliary GND areas you should use to solder down the USB receptacle decently. And there are alternative solder points to attach wires and run them to the D+/D-/ID pins	21:36
DocScrutinizer05	a first-time broken N900 USB port is always fixable	21:36
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Snafu777	A question if anyone is available	21:42
Snafu777	I am running kp52 for the kernel	21:42
Snafu777	i did not install kernel-power-settings	21:42
Snafu777	Do I need to install kernel-power-settings to enable qcpufreq to work properly?	21:42
Sicelo	what do you need cpufreq for?	21:42
Snafu777	A gui to adjust the cpu freq	21:43
Snafu777	I like guis where possible =)	21:43
Snafu777	Working on my homebrew custom build Sicelo =)	21:43
Sicelo	kernel-power-settings will help, probably.	21:44
Snafu777	Currently modifying the filesystem using some mount --rbind techniques. Hopefully cherry stays dead and the phone doesn't try to send outbound text messages when I'm through	21:44
Snafu777	Okay, i'll incorporate that into the 2nd build of it	21:44
Sicelo	i have never played with my cpu frequency, whether running maemo or any other alternative OS i have tried	21:44
Snafu777	I don't use it, but since this is a pentest distro for the n900, it's nice to have	21:44
Snafu777	For running metasploit for instance	21:44
Snafu777	things like that, where a faster processor is in order	21:45
Snafu777	I tried cssu last night, but sadly it broke a lot of my applications I had written	21:45
Snafu777	So back to homebrew =/	21:45
Snafu777	As DocScrutinizer05 put it	21:45
Sicelo	even though it appears you run the risk to reduce your CPU's life by some large margin.. (hotly debated issue, but seems it is at least 95% true)	21:46
Snafu777	I just hope the Soft Access Point scripts don't die out like they did with kp51	21:46
Snafu777	The Soft Access Point would just die in 60 seconds....	21:46
Sicelo	did you check logs when that happened.. to find out what the real problem was?	21:48
Snafu777	Nope, never did, not smart enough to truly trace it like that =/	21:48
Snafu777	I just know that kp46 was stable with injection mode and monitor mode and soft access pts	21:49
Snafu777	kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb rather	21:49
Snafu777	it think it's called kp46	21:49
Snafu777	I don't remember	21:49
Snafu777	Alright, moment of truth......Powering down and inserting SIM card!	21:49
Snafu777	Power on......	21:50
Snafu777	I really hope this works	21:50
Snafu777	I can't move forward if the bastard is sending txt messages to egypt and romania !	21:50
Snafu777	That crap wracked up a $46 bill for me through t-mobile	21:51
Snafu777	I thought I literally had been pwned by something	21:52
Snafu777	And it tripped me out because of who I work for =)	21:52
Snafu777	Looks good; moving to 2nd reboot	21:53
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Snafu777	So what do you use your n900 for Sicelo ?	21:53
Sicelo	daily phone, and as my main 'pc'	21:54
Snafu777	that's nuts	21:54
Snafu777	I never could get used to it as a daily phone	21:54
Sicelo	what?	21:54
Snafu777	I did try	21:54
Sicelo	doesn't give me any problem	21:55
Snafu777	Alright, so the fix notmynokia works	21:55
Sicelo	so you are still using maemo?	22:00
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DocScrutinizer05	CSSU doesn't "break apps"	22:03
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Snafu777	Well, it broke mine DocScrutinizer05 =/	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	it's not like it was a new distro or something, it's just a repo with bugfix updates	22:04
Snafu777	Don't want to argue back and forth about it, there's always a workarounsd	22:04
Snafu777	Nods	22:04
Snafu777	but whatever it incorporated into the filesystem were not compatible with my pentest scripts	22:04
Snafu777	It was seamless to install cssu though	22:05
Snafu777	I'll give it that	22:05
DocScrutinizer05	CSSU doesn't change anything that could break apps	22:05
Snafu777	Well. for instance	22:05
Snafu777	When i tried to launch a SoftAP script	22:05
Snafu777	it asked for a password	22:05
Snafu777	I tried the root and user password with no dice	22:05
Sicelo	Snafu777: if you learn to understand your logs, you'll have gained a lot of 'expertise,' so to speak	22:05
Snafu777	And yes Sicelo, I am using maemo	22:05
DocScrutinizer05	shrug	22:05
mlwane	Hey folks	22:06
Snafu777	Don't have time for Logs Sicelo: my wife wanted to kick my ass for staying up till 4 in the morning messing with it	22:06
Snafu777	Hi mlwane	22:06
mlwane	I have a quick question regarding OMP on the N900	22:06
Snafu777	Right now, I just want to upgrade to the newest kernel, install python2.7, get pyexpat to import properly, and run sqlmap on the phone	22:06
mlwane	Is it only me, or is the playlist kind of broken in OMP?	22:07
DocScrutinizer05	which all sounds like it's about 100 times as prone to "break apps" than CSSU	22:07
mlwane	I can't seem to play anything from a playlist	22:07
Snafu777	Is there a way I could grab the CSSU stuff to manually incorporate it DocScrutinizer05 ? I'm guessing it would be in /var/cache/apt/archives	22:08
Snafu777	But since I'd have to re-install cssu	22:08
Snafu777	And I am truly trying to limit emmc flashes here	22:08
Snafu777	It would be very helpful =)	22:08
DocScrutinizer05	that's nonsense	22:08
Snafu777	It uses debs to implement fixes, does it not?	22:08
DocScrutinizer05	you're "flashing eMMC" with every single write() to /home/user	22:09
Snafu777	Heh	22:09
DocScrutinizer05	and eMMC should allow ~1000000TB of data getting written to it, minimum	22:09
Snafu777	So since we're on the topic of eMMC and nobody believes me about it breaking stuff. Yesterday I bought a brand new 8GB sd card from best buy, because my other one started to fail	22:09
Snafu777	I'm getting i/o errors on cp /media/mmc1/foo ~	22:10
Sicelo	mlwane: what do you mean exactly.. steps to reproduce maybe..	22:10
Snafu777	How does that happen with a brand new sd card?	22:10
Snafu777	Those are the types of "symptoms" i was speaking of last night	22:10
DocScrutinizer05	sd cards are known to ship ~10% lemons	22:10
DocScrutinizer05	DOA	22:10
Snafu777	So you would return that sd card?	22:11
DocScrutinizer05	definitely	22:11
mlwane	Create a playlist; go to the playlist and try to play anything from there	22:11
Snafu777	Okay, I'll do that	22:11
Snafu777	Any brand you can recommend DocScrutinizer05 ?	22:11
Sicelo	mlwane: then mine definitely works fine	22:11
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DocScrutinizer05	I got sth better for you...	22:11
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DocScrutinizer05	http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918	22:13
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Snafu777	Any reason why the N900 mounts the SD card as read-only?	22:19
Snafu777	/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)	22:19
DocScrutinizer05	here's more: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/pjd/papers/fast10-flash.pdf	22:19
Snafu777	Nokia-N900:/media/mmc1/pwnimage/debs# touch foo	22:19
Snafu777	touch: foo: Read-only file system	22:19
Snafu777	should (rw not be read-write?	22:20
Snafu777	rodir, i'm guessing is to blame?	22:20
DocScrutinizer05	when a mounted-r/w device is claiming to be r/o, it usually encountered IO errors or fs-corruption	22:21
DocScrutinizer05	nfc who sets rodir	22:21
Snafu777	I had a similar problem - backup wouldn't create backups on the external card and the camera crashed when saving to that location.	22:21
Snafu777	For me the solution was to ssh into the phone, unmount the card and 'fsck -y' it before remounting.	22:21
Snafu777	hmm	22:22
DocScrutinizer05	then otoh I don't feel like musing about that on your homegrown FS	22:22
Snafu777	Well, all the more reason the take it back, but still it seems there are threads that list others with the same issue =)	22:22
Snafu777	fsck fixes, etc, not sure how fsck handles fat32, but i digress =)	22:22
Snafu777	My homegrown FS doesn't touch the pre-existing mount structure	22:22
DocScrutinizer05	fsck on flash storage is mostly useless	22:23
DocScrutinizer05	when the device actually encounters IO errors	22:23
DocScrutinizer05	or bad blocks	22:23
DocScrutinizer05	for fs corruption, you better reformat the flash storage device and restore your data	22:24
Snafu777	Nokia-N900:~# mount -o rw /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1/	22:26
Snafu777	Nokia-N900:~# touch /media/mmc1/fo	22:26
Snafu777	touch: /media/mmc1/fo: Read-only file system	22:26
Snafu777	grr	22:26
Snafu777	oh well	22:26
Snafu777	I'm going to snap this card in half	22:26
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DocScrutinizer05	>>While disk drive reliability is mostly unaffected by usage, bits in a flash chip will fail after a limited number of writes, typical quoted at 10^4 to 10^5 depending on the specific device.<< So worst case you should be able to do ~32GB * 10^4 / 512B(blocksize) write()s to your eMMC	22:31
mlwane	Sicelo: Removing it and reinstalling it sloved it! I wonder what was wrong!	22:31
Sicelo	cool :)	22:31
Snafu777	Heh, well you are giving me confidence wrt the n900 sustainability	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	~32109 10**4 / 512	22:32
infobot	625000000000	22:32
Snafu777	So what drives you to be so passionate about the N900 DocScrutinizer05 ?	22:32
Snafu777	For me it's the portability of a pentest device	22:32
Snafu777	You?	22:32
DocScrutinizer05	linux	22:32
Snafu777	cause you are darn sure patience	22:32
Snafu777	patient rather	22:32
Snafu777	moreso than "android"?	22:33
DocScrutinizer05	android != linux	22:33
Snafu777	Agree	22:33
Snafu777	That why i said moreso than "android", as in you don't use a nexus5 or whatnot, but you use a linux based device	22:33
Snafu777	i.e.	22:33
Snafu777	n900	22:33
DocScrutinizer05	~tivoization	22:33
Snafu777	maemo as it may be	22:33
DocScrutinizer05	is what I hate	22:33
DocScrutinizer05	~wiki tivoization	22:33
infobot	At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'Tivoization' {{IPAc-en\|Ë\|t\|iË\|v\|oÊ\|É¨\|Ë\|z\|eÉª\|Ê\|Én}} is the creation of a system that incorporates software under the terms of a copyleft software license (like the GPL), but uses hardware restrictions to prevent users from running modified versions of the software on that hardware. Richard Stallman coined the term in reference to TiVo's use of GNU GPL licensed softwa	22:34
Snafu777	You know what I hate about android?	22:34
Snafu777	The fact that Google thinks I want all my info "syncable" by default	22:34
Snafu777	To the "cloud"	22:34
Snafu777	That crap drives me bonkers	22:34
Snafu777	Nexus 5 is a wonderful piece of gear	22:34
DocScrutinizer05	that's their business model	22:34
Snafu777	But the built-in Sync this and sync that so somebody can see all your data, drives me flipping batshit	22:35
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Snafu777	I like the option, but fml, ask me first	22:35
Snafu777	Don't default me to it	22:35
DocScrutinizer05	no business model in "opt-in"	22:36
DocScrutinizer05	even Nokia did it, see cherry	22:36
Snafu777	No privacy either =/	22:36
Snafu777	yeah, but the community fixed the cherry issue	22:36
Snafu777	Google's sync is so built-in, unless you know how to write apks, you cannot fix it	22:36
Snafu777	At least with my n900, i know what it's doing =)	22:37
Snafu777	Even if it is a crap smartphone	22:37
* Snafu777 ducks		22:37
Snafu777	You know what's trippy though? Hooking usb2rj45 up	22:37
Snafu777	and powering a router with internet from my phone via rj45	22:37
Snafu777	That trips people out =)	22:38
Snafu777	I just wish the n900 had a usb port and a power port	22:38
DocScrutinizer05	thanks to H-E-N you can do that, right	22:38
Snafu777	Cuz it doesnt support PoE	22:38
Snafu777	Yep	22:38
DocScrutinizer05	hm?	22:39
Snafu777	Power over Ethernet	22:39
Sicelo	when i connected my N900 to a Cisco router's serial port, everyone was like wft! by the way, at that company, we were the only authorized dealer of iDevices, and almost everyone was using some version of iPhone	22:39
Snafu777	As in the router wuld supply a 5v charge to my phone to charge it while hooked up	22:39
DocScrutinizer05	how could a device without RJ45 jack support PoE?	22:39
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Sicelo	*authorized dealer in the country..	22:39
Snafu777	Well, I'm sure somebody smart could figure it out Doc =)	22:40
DocScrutinizer05	use a hammer to mount the RJ45 to micro-USB?	22:40
DocScrutinizer05	or what?	22:40
Snafu777	Oh no	22:40
Snafu777	I used a usb to usb connector	22:40
Snafu777	then an usb to rj4f piece of gear	22:41
Snafu777	And found some work online that was previously attempted	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	shrug	22:41
Snafu777	via hen, p00f I had connectvity =)	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	~histmode-powered	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	~hostmode-powered	22:41
infobot	rumour has it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203	22:41
Snafu777	Heh	22:42
Sicelo	Snafu777: DocScrutinizer05 is the 'author' of h-e-n	22:43
Snafu777	Oh	22:43
Snafu777	Heh	22:43
Snafu777	As in: http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=1973&faq=42	22:45
Snafu777	Correct?	22:45
Sicelo	yes,. but not the GUI part (only)..	22:46
Sicelo	the actual hw/kernel stuff involved	22:46
Snafu777	gotcha	22:46
Snafu777	Very cool	22:47
Snafu777	Were you aware people were using it for rj-45 capabilities Doc?	22:47
Sicelo	lol	22:47
DocScrutinizer05	sure	22:47
Sicelo	this has been around since years ago Snafu777. :p it's even been used in labs to do some health-related stuff.. forgot what it was	22:48
DocScrutinizer05	~joerg	22:48
infobot	joerg is, like, a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer	22:48
Snafu777	Heh, well maybe i will revitalize it	22:48
Snafu777	I found that I could only get it working one time	22:48
Snafu777	and after a reboot, no more	22:48
Snafu777	=(	22:48
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DocScrutinizer05	Sicelo: EEG - cool shit	22:48
Snafu777	Hehe	22:49
Snafu777	EEG -- I was going to connect my homebrew EEg machine to my n900 a while back	22:49
Snafu777	mind-flex toy + arduino = homebrew eeg	22:49
* DocScrutinizer05 waves and prints out the official papers of Neo900 UG, to head out to next pub and celebrate that event		22:50
Snafu777	You are part of the Neo900 thing Doc?	22:51
Snafu777	Heh	22:51
Snafu777	I had no clue you were like a high-up dude in the n900 world =)	22:51
Snafu777	I'll have to throw some stuff at you later on =)	22:53
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Snafu777	What does someone on here recommend for a text based ftp client on the N900?	23:21
Snafu777	~ftp	23:23
infobot	$1: ftp is File Transfer Protocol. RFC-[too-lazy-to-look-FIXME]. Also, <greycat> FTP MUST DIE.	23:23
Snafu777	~ftp-client	23:23
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Munrek	DocScrutinizer05: I have ordered some usb sockets to try the replacement, but I will be difficult I think ... here is the awful PCB : https://cloud.galif.eu/public.php?service=files&t=1a5d33ff05677318c4a076ebfefba23f	23:29
Munrek	it will*	23:29
DocScrutinizer05	this looks like somebody already tortured it with soldering iron	23:31
DocScrutinizer05	or even worse: glue	23:32
DocScrutinizer05	whatever, the only important areas - the green ones left and right of USB receptacle - are intact	23:32
DocScrutinizer05	and actually all pads look like there's still even solder on them	23:33
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DocScrutinizer05	except maybe the two huge square centered mech support pads	23:33
DocScrutinizer05	first of all: CLEAN that thing, whatever it takes. Desolder wick comes in handy	23:34
Munrek	should I try to clean them with desoldering braid ?	23:35
DocScrutinizer05	dunno about that yellowish gue	23:35
DocScrutinizer05	yep, desoldering braid	23:35
Munrek	I really doubt this PCB was unused when I bought the N900 from ebay	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	please see	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	~usbfix	23:36
infobot	from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and NEVER use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, or you will basically need two irons	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	and all the nice links to even nicer instructions and photos in there	23:36
Munrek	actually the image is pretty bad, the colour of the two squares in the middle is not black but more like rust, is it normal ?	23:38
DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20	23:39
DocScrutinizer05	"like rust" is ripped off pad usually	23:39
Munrek	uh bad then	23:40
DocScrutinizer05	nah, those two pads are "irrelevant"	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	they are just GND/mech-support	23:45
DocScrutinizer05	see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20	23:45
Munrek	is there a risk to damage other pins while cleaning using desoldering braid ?	23:45
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DocScrutinizer05	not when you're careful	23:49
Munrek	could'nt remove anything from the pins, there is nothing left to clean, again the image is pretty bad	23:50
DocScrutinizer05	but your bigger problem might be that glue-gue	23:50
DocScrutinizer05	see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 attachment for a proper fix when pads are really damaged completely	23:50
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DocScrutinizer05	It's flawed since it doesn't handle ID pin properly, ID pin shouldn't get shorted to GND, neither on receptacle side nor on system side	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	otherwise it's pretty good	23:52
Munrek	don't have the skills nor proper equipment for such an operation	23:53
Munrek	do you think it's safe to use alcohol / antiadhesive solvant to clean that mess ?	23:54
DocScrutinizer05	yes	23:56

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