IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2014-03-22

DocScrutinizer05actually sounds like it would fix exactly all the problems we're facing in wiki right now00:02
DocScrutinizer05except the problem of "corrupted" data that got introduced to database due to no proper handling of nicknames00:03
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DocScrutinizer05 mentions *all* the points I pulled outa my a.... before, even the conflicts situation that probably gets also blocked by garage. Yet the bug is a mere 2 weeks old, and I have little hopes it will get solved in upstream in considerable timespan00:18
povbotBug 62396: was not found.00:18
DocScrutinizer05incredible how mediawiki got away with this for years and nobody starting to go crazy about it00:19
DocScrutinizer05it's so blatantly obviously broken defective design00:20
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BCMManybody find that POI search no longer works in Modrana?00:49
DocScrutinizer05we had same report a few days ago in here - if that not been you00:54
DocScrutinizer05umm, [2014-03-12 16:22:08] <BCMM_> is online POI search broken in Modrana, or is it just me?00:55
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DocScrutinizer05you probably should talk to modrana developer, which I know is hanging around here in this channel, though I forgot who is it00:56
DocScrutinizer05right, Martin Kolman00:59
DocScrutinizer05~seen martink00:59
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'martink'00:59
DocScrutinizer05~seen m4rtink01:01
infobotm4rtink <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8d 1h 33m 26s ago, saying: 'Gear_:'.01:01
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: yeah sorry, was outside actually looking for somewhere then01:02
BCMMand rapidly realised i would run out of battery power if i stayed on IRC :)01:02
BCMMi should test it again actually, just in case it was an actual server problem01:03
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DocScrutinizer05~seen dneary01:06
infobotdneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 765d 10h 32m 52s ago, saying: 'Nightrose, I'll ping you again tomorrow :)'.01:06
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DocScrutinizer05ashley: maybe it would be worth it to ping dneary about those patches he did in
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Snafu777If i am using the following packages, do I need to have kernel-power-settings installed as well?05:41
Snafu777dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 23542161ca5b6875726da3d86f67a7e1]05:41
Snafu777dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-headers_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 47bc304bec03eee661498b2448870d3e]05:41
Snafu777dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 707ac4233b3fe62c953a8f59c7ce24b1]05:41
Snafu777dpkg -i /media/mmc1/pwnimage/kernel_files/kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb#[MD5 0da53d19401f4d71cdebad551ca9166e]05:41
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DocScrutinizer05kernel-power-settings is an app06:44
DocScrutinizer05so, no06:44
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DocScrutinizer05then otoh kernel-power-flasher is also an "app"06:46
DocScrutinizer05while kernel-power-headers prolly is a sourcecode pkg06:47
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Snafu777DocScrutinizer05: Okay, so I am wiping my N900 and trying to follow the community way of doing things.  The only thing I "require" is packet-injection capabilities07:12
Snafu777From a fresh flash, what should I apt-get07:12
Snafu777If you don't mind07:12
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Snafu777I kept having troubles with the cherry thing, once I wiped, so I figure, I'll try the "proper" way, and since you are very adept with it, I figure I can ask you and you can point me =)07:13
Snafu777I'm slick and saavy with linux, so no worries on the noob side with trying to figure out what a command does07:13
Snafu777I hate to keep wiping my eMMC, but it's how I know that I am starting from scratch07:14
Snafu777The only thing different I have done as of right now is to: sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin07:14
Snafu777sed -e "s/2048/9216/" RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin>patched-VANILLA.bin07:14
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DocScrutinizer05looks ok07:25
DocScrutinizer05you however should steer clear of apt-get usually07:25
DocScrutinizer05and particularly not edit your sources file manually, since HAM doesn't like that, or rather just gnores and overwrites it07:26
DocScrutinizer05apt-get is fine for non-gui stuff, basically. And not even then always. Some things you rather should install via HAM, since they involve stuff that apt can't do07:28
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Snafu777As soon as I installed my debs, cherry became an issue again =(07:29
Snafu777I guess I need to stick with pymaemo and all the optification nonsense to avoid it07:29
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DocScrutinizer05community should create their own fixed COMBINED, kicking nonsense like cherry into outer orbit or completely out of this system07:32
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DocScrutinizer05but then HiFo gets panic again, since this is (C)-Nokia and we mustn't touch it, heck some say we mustn't even own it07:33
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Snafu777 <---- Complete07:43
Snafu777So DocScrutinizer05: Am I still able to install kernel-power and whatnot for packet injection?07:43
Snafu777Is there anything I should not do (apt-get dist-upgrade, etc...) so that I don't break it?07:44
Snafu777the biggest thing with the way that I used to install and play with stuff on my n900 was that I had to be real weary of adding anything07:45
Snafu777lest I break the packet injection capabilities07:45
Snafu777I've never done stuff the "official" maemo way, even though I've had my n900 for 2+ years now07:46
Snafu777I feel so "new" with it doing it this way07:46
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DocScrutinizer05I think powerkernel comes with injection drivers, and even a script to enable (aka modprobe) and disable them08:06
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DocScrutinizer05powerkernel is 100% compatible to CSSU08:06
DocScrutinizer05you probably shouldn't: apt-get (dist-)upgrade|autoremove, edit apt sources files (use HAM catalogs mgmt for that), keep maemo-extras-devel (or -testing) enabled; use fapman08:09
infobotsomebody said speedpatch was >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]08:09
Snafu777last questions for you doc08:10
Snafu777Regarding using the n900 as is, without my crazy rbind techniques08:10
Snafu777if i want to install something08:10
Snafu777and i do it via apt-get or dpkg -i08:10
Snafu777is there a trick i can use so it's on /home/opt?08:10
DocScrutinizer05I heard there are options to install to somewhere else than the designated dirs08:11
Snafu777Yeah, but you yourself, what do you do?08:11
DocScrutinizer05but there's also a number of optify tools08:11
Snafu777for after the fact, or beforehand?08:11
DocScrutinizer05I never have this problem, tbh08:11
DocScrutinizer05for after08:11
Snafu777and do i run it againt the .deb prior to dpkg -i?08:12
Snafu777or do i point it at a dir08:12
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Sicelothe question is what would you be installing via deb/apt? if it's already optified, no need for 'tricks'08:12
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# maemo-optify-08:12             maemo-optify-make-mountbind.sh08:12
DocScrutinizer05less `which `08:14
Snafu777yeah im checking it out08:14
Snafu777I'm just curious how a script can deal with this type of issue08:15
Snafu777for instance, curl08:15
Snafu777if i build it from source08:15
Snafu777on a non optified system08:15
Snafu777and dpkg-deb it08:15
Snafu777it's going to install however the configure file built it08:15
DocScrutinizer05it simply moves binaries to /opt and creates symlinks in place of originals08:16
Snafu777so if it's set to drop into /foo/kill08:16
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Snafu777Okay, but without me reading the script from top to bottom and mapping out exactly what it does08:16
Snafu777just for giggles, i tried /08:17
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DocScrutinizer05check out the links I gave, there's a micro-howto somewhere. IIRC you feed that thing a textfile with dirs and/or binaries to optify08:17
DocScrutinizer05suuuure, this will pan out excellently08:18
Snafu777Okay, so lets say it popped some files in /usr/share/some_folder08:19
Snafu777do I need to know it popped some files there?08:19
* Maxdamantus just has everything on the same filesystem, so when it bind mounts /home/opt /opt, it's still within the same filesystem.08:20
Maxdamantusand /home/maemo5-root is the root of the OS (so that's chrooted into as init is run)08:21
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DocScrutinizer05 ->  -> README08:22
Snafu777How'd you set that up from the getgo Maxdamantus ?08:22
Snafu777I kind of did something like that, but it still had / on the NAND08:22
Snafu777vs your chroot stuff08:22
Snafu777Seems like you have a way better technique08:22
DocScrutinizer05you need pivot_root for that08:23
Maxdamantusthe NAND still actually has the OS, but it's not used (other than the busybox sh, mount, chroot etc for the prepreinit)08:23
MaxdamantusMeh, don't need pivot_root.08:23
Maxdamantusthough it might be cleaner.08:23
Snafu777mkdir -p /home/rootfs_bind/var/cache/apt08:23
Snafu777cp -ar /var/cache/apt/* /home/rootfs_bind/var/cache/apt08:23
Snafu777cp -ar /opt /home/rootfs_bind08:23
Snafu777cp -ar /usr /home/rootfs_bind08:23
Snafu777cp -ar /sbin /home/rootfs_bind08:23
Snafu777cp -ar /lib /home/rootfs_bind08:23
Snafu777cp -ar /root /home/rootfs_bind08:24
Snafu777touch /home/rootfs_bind/THESE_ARE_SYSTEM_BIND_MOUNTS08:24
Snafu777cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/sources.list /etc/apt/08:24
Snafu777chown -R user:root /home/user/MyDocs08:24
Snafu777chown -R user:users /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/08:24
Snafu777that was my technique08:24
Snafu777Still left some stuff on / (which i did not like)08:24
MaxdamantusI can't remember if pivot_root is the one that expects to essentially `rm -rf` the original tree.08:24
Snafu777Do you have your direction Maxdamantus ?08:24
Snafu777And before that, I had to do a modification to the following:08:25
Snafu777cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/rcS-late /etc/event.d/rcS-late08:25
Snafu777chmod 644 /etc/event.d/rcS-late08:25
Snafu777cp /media/mmc1/pwnimage/sys_files/genfstab.awk /usr/lib/genfstab.awk08:25
Snafu777chmod 755 /usr/lib/genfstab.awk08:25
Snafu777those two files08:25
Maxdamantusother than copying the files to the right places, there's a small script that replaces /sbin/preinit on the NAND filesystem (replaces so you don't need to set init= in the cmdline)08:26
Maxdamantusand disabling an automatic fstab generation thing somewhere.08:27
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Maxdamantuskind of ad-hoc.08:29
Maxdamantusah, and there was some issue with dbus.08:31
Maxdamantusafaict, the normal dbus configuration shouldn't actually work.08:32
Snafu777Yer super far ahead of me in linux knowledge Maxdamantus =)08:32
Maxdamantusbut it only stopped working after moving the root filesystem, for some reason.08:32
Maxdamantusthe issue was a permission one of user being able to listen on services or something.08:33
Maxdamantusif you run into that issue, it'll probably hang on the dots.08:33
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Maxdamantusalso included in that gist above.08:35
Maxdamantusmce in particular.08:35
* Maxdamantus doesn't really understand dbus though.08:37
Maxdamantuslooks like the last rule should take care of what the added bit (<policy> for user="user") added.08:38
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Snafu777too bad I can't just mount / /home/opt08:41
Snafu777mount / /home/opt/rootfs08:41
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Maxdamantusyou can with --bind08:43
Maxdamantusthen you'll see the root filesystem without the other mounts on top of it.08:44
Snafu777Still doesn't solve the 96MB free on / problem08:45
Snafu777no matter which way you mount it =(08:45
Snafu777and I'm evidently not linux saavy enough to figure this out08:45
MaxdamantusAh, thought you were looking for an easy way to copy stuff off it.08:45
Snafu777Trying to figure out an easier way than my current way to fix the / problem for the n90008:45
Snafu777great device08:45
Snafu777but whoever the hell thought of the filesystem layout at Nokia should be shot08:46
Maxdamantusjust make the new root in /home/maemo5-root or something, bind-mount / somewhere else so you can `cp -vax` from it to /home/maemo5-root08:46
Snafu777Tell u what Maxdamantus: it's late as hell here08:47
Snafu777I'd love to show you my progress I've made, and possibly exchange ideas08:47
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DocScrutinizer05what's "the problem" in 96MB free on / ? I'd say that's pretty fine08:50
Maxdamantusjust having to worry about it.08:51
MaxdamantusFilesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on08:51
Maxdamantus/dev/sdd2       7.3T  5.4T  1.9T  74% /08:51
DocScrutinizer05I never worry about that. Why should I? For the fun of worrying about something?08:51
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DocScrutinizer05I start to worry about /var/log/syslog size, after 120 days of uptime08:55
DocScrutinizer05fixes that worries in no time08:55
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Snafu777I worry about it DocScrutinizer05, because most sourcefiles on the internet don't worry about optification, and unless you mod the makefile, or add certain files to configure, then those sourcefiles output fills the n900 up rather quickly08:57
Snafu777and each sourcefile has it's own little tweak and issues08:57
DocScrutinizer05others are not worried about syslogs of early boot, and thus place their syslog to MyDocs08:57
Snafu777So much so that it's frickin frustrating to develop on the n900 from a non scratchbox method08:57
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: I don't get it. you say you compile stuff from random sources meant for random target platforms to install it on maemo, and you worst worries you have are about optification? :-o08:58
Snafu777I hack it up dude =)08:59
Snafu777I make it work08:59
Snafu777not random platforms per se08:59
Snafu777but i'll grab a source.tar.gz08:59
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.08:59
Snafu777try configure08:59
Snafu777make install08:59
Snafu777and if it works, great08:59
Snafu777if not, i'll play with some flags on configure08:59
Snafu777typically I build on Mint, and port to my n900 =) by modding the flags on make09:00
Snafu777make HOME=foo or whatever the makefile talks about09:00
* DocScrutinizer05 shakes head09:00
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DocScrutinizer05you know, there's a compile time option to determine where to install that stuff to09:01
Snafu777But sometimes I go with a straight .deb from wheezy debian09:01
Snafu777things like that09:01
Snafu777depends on what proggie I want09:01
Snafu777armel style09:02
Sicelowheezy, heh09:02
Snafu777I just use what i find that works09:02
Snafu777or lenny09:02
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Snafu777im thinking wheezy for kali09:02
Snafu777so disregard09:02
Snafu777lenny = n900 friendly09:02
Sicelothe programs you're installing aren't already available for N900?09:02
Snafu777Take curl for instance09:03
Snafu777My hacked up version of curl has options you cant get with the apt-get install version09:03
Snafu777because i added everysingle library i could find09:03
Snafu777and configured it as such =)09:03
DocScrutinizer05when you're such a venturous hacker that you install lenny .debs on fremantle, but are shy to mv /bin/$leeteproggi /opt/bin && ln -s /opt/bin/$leetproggi; then I dunno what to say09:04
infobotmethinks xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.09:04
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DocScrutinizer05sure, creating a fremantle rootfs on eMMC is for sure muuuuch easier09:05
Snafu777I'm just shy of bricking my 2nd n900 doc =(09:05
DocScrutinizer05and that fremantle really is crap, it never works like you expect it to work with your lenny debs and your hacked chroot09:06
Snafu777100% with you09:06
DocScrutinizer05you can't brick N90009:06
Snafu777I nuked my first one09:06
Snafu777from a lot of eMMC reflashes09:06
DocScrutinizer05with a hammer?09:06
Sicelointeresting.. yesterday you were suggesting that's not true..09:06
Snafu777With the concrete after the programs on a fresh flash kept crashing09:06
Snafu777Sicelo: Me?09:07
Snafu777The reason I use lenny .debs is because the arm versions seem to work09:08
Snafu777and if it "seems" to work, then why not =) it prevents me from compiling and dealing with the nonsense09:08
Sicelo19:13 < Sicelo> so?09:08
Sicelo19:13 < Snafu777> Doesn't that mean it has a limited number of "lives"?09:08
Sicelo19:14 < Sicelo> your experience does not prove or disprove anything at all09:08
Snafu777Yeah, I mentioned it yesterday09:09
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Snafu777that it has a limited number of lives, because whatever i was reading or what we were talking about seemed to back up that flashing to the nand x amount of times kills it09:09
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* Maxdamantus would like to see if he can just ditch the special phone OS at some point.09:09
Snafu777i kid you not, I bought a used n900 in vegas in 201209:09
Snafu777flashed it around 45+ times09:10
Snafu777and it just started freaking out09:10
Snafu777would randomly crash on terminal being opened09:10
Snafu777things like that09:10
Snafu777So eventually, out of frustration, i made it go airborne =009:10
DocScrutinizer05you kid, I not09:10
Snafu777And express ordered one the next day via ebay09:10
Snafu777had my 2nd one sense09:10
Maxdamantusthere's some n900 implemenation of a freephonesomething DBus API09:11
Maxdamantusshould just be able to run that and add simple SMS UIs around it09:11
DocScrutinizer05needed by SHR09:11
Snafu777Truthfully, the reason I love the n900 so much is that it is the smallest device that has the capability to do packet injection09:11
SiceloMaxdamantus: even ofono works. btw, see .. in future you s hould be able to run a vanilla kernel on N900 (may still need a few patches though)09:12
Maxdamantusrun xmonad with a less keyful config09:12
MaxdamantusI'll see  what that is in a bit, afpk (p = phone)09:13
Snafu777Well, anyways it is late.  Thanks for putting up with me, I know I can seem to test your patience DocScrutinizer05 =)09:13
Snafu777I look forward to your reply Maxdamantus =)09:13
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: yes, NAND writes are limited to maybe 10000 (to *each* single page)09:13
Snafu777Snafu777> i kid you not, I bought a used n900 in vegas in 201209:14
Snafu777Not sure how "used" it was09:14
Snafu777but I murdered it09:14
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Snafu777Anyways, goodnight people =)09:14
Snafu777Good chatting09:14
DocScrutinizer05for eMMC that limit should be a few magnitudes higher though09:14
Snafu777and try my curl version09:14
Snafu777it's waaaay better =)09:15
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DocScrutinizer05'...bricked my eMMC by flashing it 45 times'  TZZZ09:15
DocScrutinizer05probably cracked eMMC chip by pressing on the keyboard really violently09:16
DocScrutinizer05or ran nandtest, and mixed up eMMC and NAND09:17
DocScrutinizer05nandtest is made to wear out nand09:17
DocScrutinizer05it's one of the two ways I know of, that you really can brick your N900 with09:18
DocScrutinizer05without using brute mechanical or electrical force09:18
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DocScrutinizer05nandtest --passes 9999999 --offset 0 --length 30000009:29
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MaxdamantusoFono seems somewhat vague .. "a place to bring developers together .."09:34
Maxdamantusbut it seems to include a Linux tree.09:35
Sicelo:) it works, i used it with Debian on the N900, and could use 3G, as well as send sms messages.09:35
Maxdamantuswhat did you actually use to send SMS messages?09:36
Siceloalso sent USSD codes :)09:36
MaxdamantusOh, it's not a Linux tree.09:36
Sicelothere's some test scripts provided with ofono..09:36
Maxdamantusokay, so it ultimately provides a bunch of programs for doing telephony stuff, so should be a decent starting point.09:37
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Siceloeven phone calls would work, if it wasn't for weird mix of alsa, pulse, etc by nokia ..09:39
Maxdamantuswere you using Debian while running Maemo normally?09:41
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Maxdamantusif you were running it without Maemo, presumably the weird mix Nokia uses should be irrelevant.09:42
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Siceloi was not running maemo. booting debian09:57
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Siceloi'm not a guru in these things, but there's something about cmt-speech which needs some specific things provided only by this mix-mash09:58
Siceloif you look in the elinux page i gave before, someone's working on fixing this.. then we should be able to use N900 more easily :)09:59
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SiceloSkry made some real good progress with this pulseaudio thing, so he was able to make phone calls in ArchLinux. he did not get to GUI stage10:00
Ashley`My N900 is "broken", u-boot, etcl. don't work, so if making calls from archlinux (easily from commandline) i'd be happy10:02
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MaxdamantusHow would you get to ArchLinux if it's broken such that u-boot doesn't work?10:04
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Ashley`isnt it pssible to install it as main OS?10:05
Ashley`w/o dualboot10:05
MaxdamantusSure, but if you can do that you can probably get u-boot to work.10:06
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Maxdamantusbut why doesn't u-boot work?10:07
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Ashley`i dont know10:07
Ashley`it just cannot boot anything10:07
MaxdamantusSo u-boot loads, but you can't boot anything?10:07
Maxdamantushow do you know you're trying correctly?10:08
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Maxdamantusu-boot doesn't normally boot standard Linux images. You need to wrap them in a special u-boot format that adds a header describing the architecture and stuff.10:08
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SiceloAshley`: test by booting your Arch via flasher.. load the kernel, don't flash it..10:09
Siceloand with u-boot, make sure you're using right version10:09
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keriodamn i have to calibrate my battery again13:48
Ashley`DocScrutinizer05: tabfail i guess13:48
Ashley`ashley: 12:36:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Ashley`:
DocScrutinizer05I'm talking about those "SUBJ1" spammers13:50
DocScrutinizer05they start to annoy me13:50
DocScrutinizer05must be some damn automatism, nobody sane in mind would simply delete a whole wikipage's content and place "SUBJ1" into the subject13:51
DocScrutinizer05and I start to want to attack that IP's machine13:52
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MaxdamantusGoogle autocompletes "subj1" to "subj1 spam"13:53
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DocScrutinizer05not much useful info though. Except maybe that one linkedin comment who suspects it comes from a work14:02
DocScrutinizer05anyway  either got hijacked by malware or some skiddie is practicing with a malware construction kit there14:03
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DocScrutinizer05going to roll-back that edit14:16
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Maxdamantusthat first IP address is on my ISP.14:21
Maxdamantuser, no it's not.14:22
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DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: maybe we actually should disallow edits for non-registered (anonymous) users. I opted for not doing it so far, with the argument that this way it's easier to spot and revert rogue edits. I'm not sure my approach been correct14:49
DocScrutinizer05@all: any opinions regarding that plan to block edits from anonymous on maemo wiki?14:51
Ashley`DocScrutinizer05: you're tabfailing14:54
Ashley`DocScrutinizer05: i'm not droid^WAshley you're looking for14:55
DocScrutinizer05ashley: ^^^14:56
Ashley`i pinged ashley for you earlier :P14:56
DocScrutinizer05sorry, this ` failed my eyes14:57
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SiceloDocScrutinizer05: @all is all of us here? i agree. edits hould be from registered users. such registration implies some level of trust. otherwise we could easily end up with inaccurate info, etc15:22
gholenSo, Is there anyway to get the screen to rotate to both portrait AND landscapemode? I REALLY need that to make the N900 useful.15:22
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Sicelogholen: modified-hildon-desktop.15:22
DocScrutinizer05err, rather15:23
infobotit has been said that cssu is
SiceloCSSU already has it by default, and is very advisable to install15:23
Siceloah :)15:23
DocScrutinizer05and there particularly -testing15:23
Siceloif i'm on stable, and want to move to -testing, anything more than just changing catalogs?15:24
DocScrutinizer05err, basically not, afaik15:24
DocScrutinizer05otoh you could just install the "missing features" "manually"15:25
DocScrutinizer05Latest version: Testing(2014-01-01): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.115:26
gholenSicelo: Thanks, but the Wiki itself is full with broken links and is hard to read (U run gentoo in development so yeah, I can read), so that have to wait in that case. I cant seem to get the exe working (I'd rather not put anything I dont fully trust on my gentoomashine), and yeah. back in the box you go!15:27
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DocScrutinizer05the heck. CSSU has one-click-install already. I can't come up with any idea how to further simplify this process15:31
DocScrutinizer05"eeeek! 50 lines of info? Nah, no time for that"15:31
DocScrutinizer05also I can't see any broken links on
gholenDocScrutinizer05: Sorry? I thought you where not talking to me, but anouther person, so CSSU ?15:32
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DocScrutinizer05gholen: yes15:52
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gholenDocScrutinizer05: Installed it, but apparently there is a bit of problems, as it cannot find some of the links enbedded in Community SSU. The program that is supposed to do the stuf is complaing about 404s ans sutch. :(15:57
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^16:03
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: ^^^16:04
gholenDocScrutinizer05: Installed it, but apparently there is a bit of problems, as it cannot find some of the links enbedded in Community SSU. The program that is supposed to do the stuf is complaing about 404s ans sutch. :(16:04
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gholenDocScrutinizer05: Think it looks better now. Some reboots later...16:22
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DocScrutinizer05gholen: maybe your connectivity was unstable?16:24
gholenDocScrutinizer05 Might be that, might be some other stuff. Looks like I got it working now tough :)16:27
DocScrutinizer05while the process of installing CSSU been tested and proven to work usually flawlessly, it's not designed to handle connectivity loss halfway in, and resuming the process isn't really a tested procedure16:27
DocScrutinizer05anyway, when you got "about CSSU" in your settings menu, and the info shown there is in line with what you tried to install, you should be fine16:29
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Siceloi should think it will still work fine even if network goes crazy. install does not begin until all dependencies have been completely downloaded17:10
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Munrekhello guys, my n900's usb and his connectors on the PCB are completely broken, is there a clean and safe way to solder an external USB connector using test pads on the motherboard ?19:31
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MunrekI don't need Data, just a way to safely charge the device19:34
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Munrekbut if there is also a way to have data and to be able to charge the battery without a bridge between d+ and d- ...19:35
jogaI don't think it's safe to use the test pads for that19:35
ecc3gcharge battery outside of unit, or have to get a USB connection working once more...19:38
MunrekI will try to clean the PCB and to solder a new USB connector, but I don't believe in miracles :/19:42
jogait's pretty tricky :(19:42
jogasome hot air gun might help19:42
Munreksome of the ground pads are very ugly, and the USB little ones are not great too19:44
MunrekI am afraid that trying to solder on that mess would be useless19:46
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infobotit has been said that usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or, or you will basically need two irons21:34
DocScrutinizer05Munrek: there are auxiliary GND areas you should use to solder down the USB receptacle decently. And there are alternative solder points to attach wires and run them to the D+/D-/ID pins21:36
DocScrutinizer05a first-time broken N900 USB port is *always* fixable21:36
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Snafu777A question if anyone is available21:42
Snafu777I am running kp52 for the kernel21:42
Snafu777i did not install kernel-power-settings21:42
Snafu777Do I need to install kernel-power-settings to enable qcpufreq to work properly?21:42
Sicelowhat do you need cpufreq for?21:42
Snafu777A gui to adjust the cpu freq21:43
Snafu777I like guis where possible =)21:43
Snafu777Working on my homebrew custom build Sicelo =)21:43
Sicelokernel-power-settings will help, probably.21:44
Snafu777Currently modifying the filesystem using some mount --rbind techniques.  Hopefully cherry stays dead and the phone doesn't try to send outbound text messages when I'm through21:44
Snafu777Okay, i'll incorporate that into the 2nd build of it21:44
Siceloi have never played with my cpu frequency, whether running maemo or any other alternative OS i have tried21:44
Snafu777I don't use it, but since this is a pentest distro for the n900, it's nice to have21:44
Snafu777For running metasploit for instance21:44
Snafu777things like that, where a faster processor is in order21:45
Snafu777I tried cssu last night, but sadly it broke a lot of my applications I had written21:45
Snafu777So back to homebrew =/21:45
Snafu777As DocScrutinizer05 put it21:45
Siceloeven though it appears you run the risk to reduce your CPU's life by some large margin.. (hotly debated issue, but seems it is at least 95% true)21:46
Snafu777I just hope the Soft Access Point scripts don't die out like they did with kp5121:46
Snafu777The Soft Access Point would just die in 60 seconds....21:46
Sicelodid you check logs when that happened.. to find out what the real problem was?21:48
Snafu777Nope, never did, not smart enough to truly trace it like that =/21:48
Snafu777I just know that kp46 was stable with injection mode and monitor mode and soft access pts21:49
Snafu777kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb rather21:49
Snafu777it think it's called kp4621:49
Snafu777I don't remember21:49
Snafu777Alright, moment of truth......Powering down and inserting SIM card!21:49
Snafu777Power on......21:50
Snafu777I really hope this works21:50
Snafu777I can't move forward if the bastard is sending txt messages to egypt and romania !21:50
Snafu777That crap wracked up a $46 bill for me through t-mobile21:51
Snafu777I thought I literally had been pwned by something21:52
Snafu777And it tripped me out because of who I work for =)21:52
Snafu777Looks good; moving to 2nd reboot21:53
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Snafu777So what do you use your n900 for Sicelo ?21:53
Sicelodaily phone, and as my main 'pc'21:54
Snafu777that's nuts21:54
Snafu777I never could get used to it as a daily phone21:54
Snafu777I did try21:54
Sicelodoesn't give me any problem21:55
Snafu777Alright, so the fix notmynokia works21:55
Siceloso you are still using maemo?22:00
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DocScrutinizer05CSSU doesn't "break apps"22:03
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Snafu777Well, it broke mine DocScrutinizer05 =/22:04
DocScrutinizer05it's not like it was a new distro or something, it's just a repo with bugfix updates22:04
Snafu777Don't want to argue back and forth about it, there's always a workarounsd22:04
Snafu777but whatever it incorporated into the filesystem were not compatible with my pentest scripts22:04
Snafu777It was seamless to install cssu though22:05
Snafu777I'll give it that22:05
DocScrutinizer05CSSU doesn't change anything that *could* break apps22:05
Snafu777Well.  for instance22:05
Snafu777When i tried to launch a SoftAP script22:05
Snafu777it asked for a password22:05
Snafu777I tried the root and user password with no dice22:05
SiceloSnafu777: if you learn to understand your logs, you'll have gained a lot of 'expertise,' so to speak22:05
Snafu777And yes Sicelo, I am using maemo22:05
mlwaneHey folks22:06
Snafu777Don't have time for Logs Sicelo: my wife wanted to kick my ass for staying up till 4 in the morning messing with it22:06
Snafu777Hi mlwane22:06
mlwaneI have a quick question regarding OMP on the N90022:06
Snafu777Right now, I just want to upgrade to the newest kernel, install python2.7, get pyexpat to import properly, and run sqlmap on the phone22:06
mlwaneIs it only me, or is the playlist kind of broken in OMP?22:07
DocScrutinizer05which all sounds like it's about 100 times as prone to "break apps" than CSSU22:07
mlwaneI can't seem to play anything from a playlist22:07
Snafu777Is there a way I could grab the CSSU stuff to manually incorporate it DocScrutinizer05 ?  I'm guessing it would be in /var/cache/apt/archives22:08
Snafu777But since I'd have to re-install cssu22:08
Snafu777And I am truly trying to limit emmc flashes here22:08
Snafu777It would be very helpful =)22:08
DocScrutinizer05that's nonsense22:08
Snafu777It uses debs to implement fixes, does it not?22:08
DocScrutinizer05you're "flashing eMMC" with every single write() to /home/user22:09
DocScrutinizer05and eMMC should allow ~1000000TB of data getting written to it, minimum22:09
Snafu777So since we're on the topic of eMMC and nobody believes me about it breaking stuff.  Yesterday I bought a brand new 8GB sd card from best buy, because my other one started to fail22:09
Snafu777I'm getting i/o errors on cp /media/mmc1/foo ~22:10
Sicelomlwane: what do you mean exactly.. steps to reproduce maybe..22:10
Snafu777How does that happen with a brand new sd card?22:10
Snafu777Those are the types of "symptoms" i was speaking of last night22:10
DocScrutinizer05sd cards are known to ship ~10% lemons22:10
Snafu777So you would return that sd card?22:11
mlwaneCreate a playlist; go to the playlist and try to play anything from there22:11
Snafu777Okay, I'll do that22:11
Snafu777Any brand you can recommend DocScrutinizer05 ?22:11
Sicelomlwane: then mine definitely works fine22:11
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DocScrutinizer05I got sth better for you...22:11
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Snafu777Any reason why the N900 mounts the SD card as read-only?22:19
Snafu777/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)22:19
DocScrutinizer05here's more:
Snafu777Nokia-N900:/media/mmc1/pwnimage/debs# touch foo22:19
Snafu777touch: foo: Read-only file system22:19
Snafu777should (rw not be read-write?22:20
Snafu777rodir, i'm guessing is to blame?22:20
DocScrutinizer05when a mounted-r/w device is claiming to be r/o, it usually encountered IO errors or fs-corruption22:21
DocScrutinizer05nfc who sets rodir22:21
Snafu777I had a similar problem - backup wouldn't create backups on the external card and the camera crashed when saving to that location.22:21
Snafu777For me the solution was to ssh into the phone, unmount the card and 'fsck -y' it before remounting.22:21
DocScrutinizer05then otoh I don't feel like musing about that on your homegrown FS22:22
Snafu777Well, all the more reason the take it back, but still it seems there are threads that list others with the same issue =)22:22
Snafu777fsck fixes, etc, not sure how fsck handles fat32, but i digress =)22:22
Snafu777My homegrown FS doesn't touch the pre-existing mount structure22:22
DocScrutinizer05fsck on flash storage is mostly useless22:23
DocScrutinizer05when the device actually encounters IO errors22:23
DocScrutinizer05or bad blocks22:23
DocScrutinizer05for fs corruption, you better reformat the flash storage device and restore your data22:24
Snafu777Nokia-N900:~# mount -o rw /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1/22:26
Snafu777Nokia-N900:~# touch /media/mmc1/fo22:26
Snafu777touch: /media/mmc1/fo: Read-only file system22:26
Snafu777oh well22:26
Snafu777I'm going to snap this card in half22:26
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DocScrutinizer05>>While disk drive reliability is mostly unaffected by usage, bits in a flash chip will fail after a limited number of writes, typical quoted at 10^4 to 10^5 depending on the specific device.<< So worst case you should be able to do ~32GB * 10^4 / 512B(blocksize) write()s to your eMMC22:31
mlwaneSicelo: Removing it and reinstalling it sloved it! I wonder what was wrong!22:31
Sicelocool :)22:31
Snafu777Heh, well you are giving me confidence wrt the n900 sustainability22:31
DocScrutinizer05~32*10**9 * 10**4 / 51222:32
Snafu777So what drives you to be so passionate about the N900 DocScrutinizer05 ?22:32
Snafu777For me it's the portability of a pentest device22:32
Snafu777cause you are darn sure patience22:32
Snafu777patient rather22:32
Snafu777moreso than "android"?22:33
DocScrutinizer05android != linux22:33
Snafu777That why i said moreso than "android", as in you don't use a nexus5 or whatnot, but you use a linux based device22:33
Snafu777maemo as it may be22:33
DocScrutinizer05is what I hate22:33
DocScrutinizer05~wiki tivoization22:33
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'Tivoization' {{IPAc-en|ˈ|t|iː|v|oʊ|ɨ|ˌ|z|eɪ|ʃ|ən}} is the creation of a system that incorporates software under the terms of a copyleft software license (like the GPL), but uses hardware restrictions to prevent users from running modified versions of the software on that hardware. Richard Stallman coined the term in reference to TiVo's use of GNU GPL licensed softwa22:34
Snafu777You know what I hate about android?22:34
Snafu777The fact that Google thinks I want all my info "syncable" by default22:34
Snafu777To the "cloud"22:34
Snafu777That crap drives me bonkers22:34
Snafu777Nexus 5 is a wonderful piece of gear22:34
DocScrutinizer05that's their business model22:34
Snafu777But the built-in Sync this and sync that so somebody can see all your data, drives me flipping batshit22:35
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Snafu777I like the option, but fml, ask me first22:35
Snafu777Don't default me to it22:35
DocScrutinizer05no business model in "opt-in"22:36
DocScrutinizer05even Nokia did it, see cherry22:36
Snafu777No privacy either =/22:36
Snafu777yeah, but the community fixed the cherry issue22:36
Snafu777Google's sync is so built-in, unless you know how to write apks, you cannot fix it22:36
Snafu777At least with my n900, i know what it's doing =)22:37
Snafu777Even if it is a crap smartphone22:37
* Snafu777 ducks22:37
Snafu777You know what's trippy though?  Hooking usb2rj45 up22:37
Snafu777and powering a router with internet from my phone via rj4522:37
Snafu777That trips people out =)22:38
Snafu777I just wish the n900 had a usb port and a power port22:38
DocScrutinizer05thanks to H-E-N you can do that, right22:38
Snafu777Cuz it doesnt support PoE22:38
Snafu777Power over Ethernet22:39
Sicelowhen i connected my N900 to a Cisco router's serial port, everyone was like wft! by the way, at that company, we were the only authorized dealer of iDevices, and almost everyone was using some version of iPhone22:39
Snafu777As in the router wuld supply a 5v charge to my phone to charge it while hooked up22:39
DocScrutinizer05how could a device without RJ45 jack support PoE?22:39
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Sicelo*authorized dealer in the country..22:39
Snafu777Well, I'm sure somebody smart could figure it out Doc =)22:40
DocScrutinizer05use a hammer to mount the RJ45 to micro-USB?22:40
DocScrutinizer05or what?22:40
Snafu777Oh no22:40
Snafu777I used a usb to usb connector22:40
Snafu777then an usb to rj4f piece of gear22:41
Snafu777And found some work online that was previously attempted22:41
Snafu777via hen, p00f I had connectvity =)22:41
infobotrumour has it, hostmode-powered is
SiceloSnafu777: DocScrutinizer05 is the 'author' of h-e-n22:43
Snafu777As in:
Siceloyes,. but not the GUI part (only)..22:46
Sicelothe actual hw/kernel stuff involved22:46
Snafu777Very cool22:47
Snafu777Were you aware people were using it for rj-45 capabilities Doc?22:47
Sicelothis has been around since years ago Snafu777. :p it's even been used in labs to do some health-related stuff.. forgot what it was22:48
infobotjoerg is, like, a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer22:48
Snafu777Heh, well maybe i will revitalize it22:48
Snafu777I found that I could only get it working one time22:48
Snafu777and after a reboot, no more22:48
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: EEG - cool shit22:48
Snafu777EEG -- I was going to connect my homebrew EEg machine to my n900 a while back22:49
Snafu777mind-flex toy + arduino = homebrew eeg22:49
* DocScrutinizer05 waves and prints out the official papers of Neo900 UG, to head out to next pub and celebrate that event22:50
Snafu777You are part of the Neo900 thing Doc?22:51
Snafu777I had no clue you were like a high-up dude in the n900 world =)22:51
Snafu777I'll have to throw some stuff at you later on =)22:53
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Snafu777What does someone on here recommend for a text based ftp client on the N900?23:21
infobot$1: ftp is File Transfer Protocol. RFC-[too-lazy-to-look-FIXME]. Also, <greycat> FTP MUST DIE.23:23
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MunrekDocScrutinizer05: I have ordered some usb sockets to try the replacement, but I will be difficult I think ... here is the awful PCB :
Munrekit will*23:29
DocScrutinizer05this looks like somebody already tortured it with soldering iron23:31
DocScrutinizer05or even worse: glue23:32
DocScrutinizer05whatever, the only important areas - the green ones left and right of USB receptacle - are intact23:32
DocScrutinizer05and actually all pads look like there's still even solder on them23:33
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DocScrutinizer05except maybe the two huge square centered mech support pads23:33
DocScrutinizer05first of all: CLEAN that thing, whatever it takes. Desolder wick comes in handy23:34
Munrekshould I try to clean them with desoldering braid ?23:35
DocScrutinizer05dunno about that yellowish gue23:35
DocScrutinizer05yep, desoldering braid23:35
MunrekI really doubt this PCB was unused when I bought the N900 from ebay23:36
DocScrutinizer05please see23:36
infobotfrom memory, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or, or you will basically need two irons23:36
DocScrutinizer05and all the nice links to even nicer instructions and photos in there23:36
Munrekactually the image is pretty bad, the colour of the two squares in the middle is not black but more like rust, is it normal ?23:38
DocScrutinizer05"like rust" is ripped off pad usually23:39
Munrekuh bad then23:40
DocScrutinizer05nah, those two pads are "irrelevant"23:44
DocScrutinizer05they are just GND/mech-support23:45
Munrekis there a risk to damage other pins while cleaning using desoldering braid ?23:45
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DocScrutinizer05not when you're careful23:49
Munrekcould'nt remove anything from the pins, there is nothing left to clean, again the image is pretty bad23:50
DocScrutinizer05but your bigger problem might be that glue-gue23:50
DocScrutinizer05see attachment for a proper fix when pads are *really* damaged completely23:50
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DocScrutinizer05It's flawed since it doesn't handle ID pin properly, ID pin shouldn't get shorted to GND, neither on receptacle side nor on system side23:52
DocScrutinizer05otherwise it's pretty good23:52
Munrekdon't have the skills nor proper equipment for such an operation23:53
Munrekdo you think it's safe to use alcohol / antiadhesive solvant to clean that mess ?23:54

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