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Snafu777Is anyone aware of any malware for the n900 resulting in the phone sending international text messages when powered on with an active sim card in?19:41
Snafu777Strangest thing I've ever seen, and only noticed it because of the bill19:41
Snafu777Evidently T-Mobile doesn't block international text messages by default19:41
Snafu777Yeah it's weird DocScrutinizer0519:43
Snafu777You ever heard of anything like this?19:43
DocScrutinizer05it's cherry19:43
Snafu777cherry is an app19:43
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infobotjrtools is, like,
DocScrutinizer05find: "cherry"19:44
DocScrutinizer05# kill that cherry PITA, before it sends SMS  --  STILL ACTUAL!19:45
DocScrutinizer05# see
DocScrutinizer05touch /home/user/.cherry_state19:45
Snafu777I see that19:45
Snafu777Well at least it ain't the damn NSA19:45
Snafu777I was debating on wiping and starting over from scratch19:45
DocScrutinizer05which would give you another SMS ;-P19:46
Snafu777I really thought I might have been targeted by someone19:46
DocScrutinizer05you been, by NOKIA XP19:46
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Snafu777What about just removing /usr/bin/cherry19:49
Snafu777heh, no /usr/bin/cherry19:50
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DocScrutinizer05oops he left20:00
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DocScrutinizer05also:  cat /etc/X11/34cherry20:02
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Snafu777So DocScrutinizer05: It didn't work20:05
Snafu777I tried as root and as user20:05
Snafu777it still is sending out two text messages with each poweron20:06
Snafu777Any ideas?20:06
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: check
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DocScrutinizer05there's a "tutorial" how to check for SMS pending to get sent, you should see them at least when booting without your SIM20:08
Snafu777so touch /home/user/.cherry_state doesn't work anymore20:08
DocScrutinizer05I dunno, I think it should still work20:09
Snafu777As well, I have pr1.320:09
DocScrutinizer05see from my PR1.3 + CSSU system20:09
DocScrutinizer05I guess it's been me who did a rename of /usr/bin/cherry.donotrun20:10
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Snafu777And see, I chopped up pymaemo because I hate optification20:11
Snafu777Hmm, DocScrutinizer05: How do I stop this nonsense?20:19
Snafu777I tried .cherry_state to no avail20:19
Snafu777are the two files I flashed with20:20
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I don't know your system20:20
Snafu777I don't even have cherry installed20:20
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Snafu777I read it20:20
Snafu777top to bottom20:20
DocScrutinizer05has all the info I could share to you20:20
Snafu777but the directions still do not stop the outgoing text20:21
Snafu777Fair enough20:21
Snafu777Gunna try to install cherry and see what happens20:21
DocScrutinizer05that doesn't sound like it will stop any SMS already pending to get sent20:21
DocScrutinizer05you probably also should read the tmo thread20:22
Snafu777tmo thread?20:24
Snafu777i killed regs_out.txt20:24
Snafu777going to reboot20:24
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Snafu777So DocScrutinizer05: Do you have packet injection capability with your N900?20:38
DocScrutinizer05not installed20:38
Snafu777I've got a very chopped up way that I did my install, but it sounds like yours doesn't have the sms problem mine does20:38
Snafu777What do you actually use your n900 for?20:38
DocScrutinizer05daily phone and PDA20:38
DocScrutinizer05and IRC20:39
Snafu777You actually use the damn thing as a phone?20:39
Snafu777I couldn't get use to it.  Too brickish, I mean don't get me wrong, I love it20:39
Snafu777But, I don't think it's a very good smart phone20:39
Snafu777And your setup on your phone, when u install stuff, it doesn't try to fill the nand?20:40
Snafu777Cuz that's why I started binding mounts and such20:40
Snafu777that way apt-get install doesn't fill /20:40
DocScrutinizer05that's what optification is for20:40
Snafu777but it doesnt work worth a damn20:40
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# df -h /20:41
DocScrutinizer05Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% EingehÃĪngt auf20:41
* hxka uses n900 for 4 years as a phone20:41
DocScrutinizer05ubi0:rootfs           228M  172M   53M  77% /20:41
DocScrutinizer05Display all 1255 possibilities? (y or n)20:41
hxkaIt's actually smaller than Toshiba G900 I had before20:41
Snafu777I did some remounting and crazy stuff, and it seems to work20:41
hxkawhy oh why20:42
Snafu777Because I would fill up / even with optification20:42
hxka /var/cache/apt is a symlink to /opt/somewhere for example20:42
hxkaNo you won't20:43
DocScrutinizer05sure you can try to come up with your own very indiviual homegrown way to manage the device. But I prefer to keep as close to the  commonly used standard way as possible, it has the best support obviously20:43
Snafu777Okay, so what do you think of this hxka?20:43
Snafu777that's step 120:43
Snafu777that's step 220:44
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Snafu777 step 320:45
Snafu777Step 4:
Snafu777Nokia-N900:~# df -h / Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs                  227.9M    149.5M     74.2M  67% /20:46
Snafu777I'm guessing you have a ton of stuff installed too Doc?20:46
Snafu777So, hxka:  If I wanted to completly redo my N900 setup from scratch, what apt-get stuff would you recommend, I'm wanting to be able to install freely without worry of overfilling /, and to have the capability for packet injection20:48
hxkaYou don't need ahything to do to not worry about overfilling /20:52
Snafu777yeah, but you see, sometimes I grab random .debs not from maemo20:53
Snafu777So long as they work, i use em =)20:53
Snafu777and if they aren't built with optification in mind, they fill up /20:53
Snafu777Yes, I could repackage em and what not, but what a pain20:53
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Snafu777So do you use packet injection hxka?20:56
Snafu777That's the biggest thing with this phone is that I need to always have the capability to do packet injection20:56
Snafu777Linux Nokia-N900 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 19 20:51:27 CET 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux20:56
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Snafu777Another issue is that Pali, and other people, don't like the fact that multiboot flashes a kernel every time you boot (or everytime you select a new kernel), because the number of writes to the raw NAND partition containing the kernel is limited.21:07
Snafu777there are limited writes to the NAND?21:07
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SiceloSnafu777: i remember a user here who ended up having to undertake the big project of moving all of maemo to SD card because his eMMC was tired21:11
Snafu777See, everytime I want to start from scratch I always flash my n90021:12
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Snafu777Doesn't that mean it has a limited number of "lives"?21:13
Siceloyour experience does not prove or disprove anything at all21:14
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ashleyfor those of you interested in wiki matters, you might want to take a look at and also feel free to let me know what features should be added to the wiki so I can see if we can add 'em during the big upgrade (in May/June, probably)21:20
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Siceloashley: on a self-help note.. i see on that page, there is mention that links with a + sign can't be opened directly. is there a 'workaround' way to open them in the meantime?21:43
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DocScrutinizer05re wiki: that messing around with *username* auto-uppercase and generally changing username in any way, is so completely a idea born from crack abuse. nothing ever shall change user nick's spelling since it's part of credentials. If you *really* need to do you could check for certain conditions and inform user about those restrictions, like "no initial numeric chars" or "at least 5 chars" or "no special chars lile @, #, &, ..." or even "22:10
DocScrutinizer05first char needs to be UPPERCASE"22:10
DocScrutinizer05doing it implicitly though is *begging* for trouble22:11
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DocScrutinizer05now best you could do after it's already messed up: to-lowercase( username ) *everywhere*, and change all URLs in wiki accordingly22:14
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DocScrutinizer05NB that is considered a different page22:15
DocScrutinizer05obviously our wiki already has a rewrite rule to auto-capitalize the usernick part of any such URL22:16
DocScrutinizer05also compare which is (correctly) showing my user nick in lowercase22:18
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DocScrutinizer05like does
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ashleyMediaWiki doesn't have built-in support for lowercase user names (IIRC it's a historical thing); GForgeAuthentication validates the supplied username + password combo against garage users table and if it matches (user exists), then a new wiki user account is created, so I see no issue with forcing the initial letter to be uppercase at the point where MW user account gets created22:26
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ashleySicelo: there's no user-friendly workaround, but you can use [[Special:Export]] to gain access to the raw, ugly underlying wikitext of a page; it's the only way as of now :-(22:27
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DocScrutinizer05ashley: what would that "support" be? It seems it's rather the lack of support for enforcing upper case initial letter in user nicks22:30
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ashleyMW assumes that -- regardless of the values of $wgCapitalLinks and/or $wgCapitalLinkOverrides configuration global variables -- pages in certain namespace (namely, Special:, User: and MediaWiki:) *always* start with an initial capital letter; while it's possible to hack the software to allow things like lowercase usernames, it's unsupported and as witnessed by the wiki's current state, might...22:37
ashley...lead to strange things (say, try viewing a list of my contributions -- [[Special:Contributions/Ashley]] would work on a normal instance but it returns a "no contributions" message on, despite that I've made some edits to the wiki)22:37
DocScrutinizer05yeah, seems that's caused by some update that introduced that autocapitalization while meybe formerly it's not been there, and so now our wiki karma is broken, since all contributions-lists are bogus22:41
DocScrutinizer05obviously caused by that forced uppercase initials in user nicks in wiki, that of course need *additional* handling to enforce them everywhere, and seems that's not consistently done *everywhere* in mediawiki, since otherwise it would not do a SELECT ... WHERE (nick=$searchterm); but rather a SELECT ... WHERE (upper(nick)=upper($searchterm));22:46
DocScrutinizer05which would result in mediawiki contributions-lists also showing the contributions done when user got not compulsory uppercased22:47
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DocScrutinizer05of course it would introduce other inconsistencies, but only when there are two users with nicks that only differ in upper/lower-case of their writing22:48
DocScrutinizer05which I'd simply define as a forbidden situation22:48
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DocScrutinizer05generally any system shouldn't auto-edit/modify user nicks, and for sure it MUST act case-agnostic for *all* operations that compare nicks or use nicks for input to any other function (like creating URLs)22:51
Siceloashley: please show me this ugly way :)... i'm actually interested in reading the contents of that page you linked to (Wifi PEAP/MSCHAPv2)22:52
DocScrutinizer05IOW: when mediawiki thinks it can't help but auto-capitalize the user nick, then it damn sure shall do that *everywhere*, to every occurence of a user nick22:52
DocScrutinizer05--> WHERE (upper(nick)=upper($searchterm)) ;  case-agnostic!22:53
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DocScrutinizer05seems mediawiki been originally developed by a windows socialized developer. ;-P  On FAT you don't distinguish between upper- and lowercase for filenames. (btw I seem to remember we seen such crap even for cameraui, where a folder like DCIM got created and then they tried to store to dcim/$photoname )23:00
DocScrutinizer05which caused camera to break when your filesystem on uSD isn't that DOS crap23:01
DocScrutinizer05memory is cloudy, but there must've been an issue like that23:02
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ashleySicelo: 1) go to 2) paste "PEAP+MSCHAPv2 WiFi authentication setup" into the textarea 3) press button 4) ??? 5) PROFIT!23:03
Sicelothanx :) let me try23:04
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder how anybody managed to create such page - not even works :-P23:07
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DocScrutinizer05I also can't come up with an idea how to rename that page, or otherwise edit it23:09
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DocScrutinizer05edit as in "delete", "lock", whatever23:10
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DocScrutinizer05ashley: btw it seems is completely broken, it neither shows old nor new, neither uppercase nor lowercase contributions, right?23:21
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DocScrutinizer05actually shows contributions of LOWERcase users only o.O23:27
DocScrutinizer05and clicking on e.g. of course kicks me to "Editing User:Chainsawbike" (note UPPERcase nick)23:28
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DocScrutinizer05 works - FWIW23:30
DocScrutinizer05 works too, auto-capitalizing my nick23:32
DocScrutinizer05oops, truncated a "2"23:32
DocScrutinizer05the problem pretty obviously is in mediawiki, it doesn't consistently auto-capitalize the usernames everywhere. Sometimes it does, sometimes not. Thus it creates its own inconsistencies23:34
ashleyMW assumes that all usernames start with an initial capital letter, because that's what normally happens -- it's not possible to have lowercase entries "pop up" in the database...except when you've hacked the core software poorly, which is the case with's wiki23:37
DocScrutinizer05well, obviously a few years ago it been hacked better that it's now, since it evidently worked back when23:39
DocScrutinizer05but I know whom to blame, for that half-arsed update probably done during consolidation/migration#123:39
ashleycould be...but given that is not -- thankfully ;) -- Wikipedia or other equally popular site, I think we'll all be better off with a stock MW install and no crazy patches like these: until MW properly supports lowercase usernames (there's a bug open about that, lemme track it down...)23:40
ashleythis appears to be the most recent ticket about lowercase user names:
povbotBug 62396: was not found.23:43
DocScrutinizer05ashley: well, whatever makes it work, but it seems it worked better with those crazy patches (the complete set of them) than without. Which btw is exactly same situation as in midgard23:44
ashleyI try not to touch midgard even with a ten-feet pole23:45
DocScrutinizer05but mediawiki has a bug in all existing versions, in that it doesn't do proper nickname case-normalizing everywhere23:46
DocScrutinizer05when you normalize a date, you need to normalize it *everywhere* and not "rely on" something as given23:47
DocScrutinizer05given that it needs code to convert my original nick "joerg_rw" into the "Joerg_rw" used in wiki, I think it can't be too hard to simply comment out that code everywhere, rather than add it where it's missing23:49
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DocScrutinizer05this wouldn't make wiki case-agnostic, but at least it wouldn't mess with case of nicks anymore, so you could finally use nicks as they are defined elsewhere in maemo, and the only thing to "fix" would be all data that got created with an auto-capitalized nick as reference - all that needs to get converted back to non-capitalized, or you add that normalization at a few locations where it's needed, like "WHERE (upper(nick)=upper(23:53
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