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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, modest uses the browserd rendering engine which is FOSS, microB aiui is that engine with a closed blob GUI around it | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like swipes for sure are GUI domain | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least I'd think they must be GUI, no? | 00:20 |
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| Maxdamantus | Doing something on swipe-from-left is definitely not part of the engine. | 00:25 |
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| Maxdamantus | dunno if the engine has a special handler for swipe-on-left etc though .. probably not. | 00:26 |
| * Maxdamantus needs to figure out how microb and Fennec start using content views. | 00:27 | |
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| Agge | anyone know if it is posiblet to unmask hidden numbers with the n900 | 00:52 |
| Gadgetoid | I love how stuff like #maemo is timeless on the internet | 00:56 |
| * timeless looks up | 00:56 | |
| * timeless is on the internet, yes | 00:56 | |
| Gadgetoid | ... you win sir, you win! | 00:56 |
| * Gadgetoid checks to see if there's anyone called win | 00:57 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen win7mac | 01:27 |
| infobot | win7mac <~win7mac@f050170191.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 18m 10s ago, saying: 'And who do you mean by "HiFo" - the e.V. or the board?'. | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-15 00:28:35] [Whois] win is ~win@par95-2-78-213-76-33.fbx.proxad.net (win) | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-15 00:28:35] [Whois] win is online via asimov.freenode.net (TX, USA). | 01:28 |
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| Shahram | DocScrutinizer05: if i am going to flash my n900 should i use the vanila version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM | 01:33 |
| Shahram | first and than install RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM | 01:34 |
| Shahram | or should i install AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM instead of the vanila? | 01:34 |
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| Agge | ~bootloader | 01:37 |
| infobot | See bootldr | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather use RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM | 01:37 |
| Agge | ~bootldr | 01:37 |
| infobot | from memory, bootldr is recommended bootldr for Familiar is 2.20.4 (or 2.18.54 for h3100 only) newer might be better. see http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr or http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/bootldr.html | 01:38 |
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| Shahram | Thanks | 01:41 |
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| Shahram | DocScrutinizer05: the bootldr links are not working btw | 01:45 |
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| Shahram | Hm i am getting a missing image error when i turn on the phone :S | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | failed to flash combined after emmc | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | netsplit time | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ cya l8r | 01:56 |
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| Shahram | I think i did it.. | 01:57 |
| Shahram | Take care doc! | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Shahram: the bootldr factoid is bogus unrelated stuff anyway | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo bootldr | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | netsplit took bot out | 02:06 |
| Shahram | DocScrutinizer05: Ah ok :) Well i got it working now! Thank you for all the help! | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 02:06 |
| Shahram | I had to get my linux laptop up and working for it though. Didn't work on win 7 64bit. | 02:07 |
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| Shahram | Keep up the good work doc! | 02:07 |
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| brolin_empey | With rtcom-call-ui, can I have a full 4×4 DTMF keypad instead of only a typical truncated 3×4 DTMF keypad? | 18:43 |
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| kolp__ | brolin_empey: no, there is no such thing | 18:49 |
| brolin_empey | kolp__: Can I have a full 4×4 DTMF keypad with any other application on Maemo 5? | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for whatever definition of DTMF, you prolly could create such app easily, either with a dead simple GUI (qml? even a html template?) to play some .wav samples, or it calls sox with the right parameters | 18:53 |
| kolp__ | brolin_empey: dunno, I'm not aware of any | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you even use your hw kbd as keypad, and write a quick&dirty shellscript to check which key is pressed and play according two tones via sox | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: maybe a requirement definition was a good start, iow what for do you need that and what properties/features does it need to have for that usecase | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd should understand ATDT0123456789*#abcd | 18:56 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Which TTY is used by rtcom-call-ui for a “voice call”? | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ISI has no notion of "TTY" | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually for a voice call no TTY is used at all, it's direct call of libisi functions | 19:12 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Run “pnatd -h”. :-P I mean which device node corresponds to the GSM/UMTS modem? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libisi then talks to phonet0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 15-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no TTY like e.g. ttyACM or whatever, the closest you get is pnatd | 19:15 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: If I want to try using pnatd to send ABCD DTMF tones during a “voice call”, how do I run pnatd? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd <<$(echo ABCD) ? | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or similar stuff via system() and using stdin to send "ABCD" | 19:19 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: If I interactively run pnatd as root, “AT” returns “OK” but I cannot seem to use ATDT nor ATD . | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, when I tried this, I was even able to create a call | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you're not booked in to your network? | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | strange, maybe my memory fails on me | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually get ERROR | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah. missing ; at end | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without terminating ; it would try to set up a data connection which is not supported this simple way | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so: "AT+49911555555;" works, and maybe "AT*99#" works too for setting up a data channel | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: ^^^ | 19:42 |
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| raccoon_ | DocScrutinizer05: actually, current URL for latest hildon-application-manager (in community-devel repo) is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb | 19:51 |
| raccoon_ | that is, 2.2.73-2, not -1 | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err speedyham? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal speedyham | 19:52 |
| infobot | "speedyham" is "http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-1_armel.deb" | 19:52 |
| raccoon_ | yep | 19:52 |
| raccoon_ | that link 404s | 19:52 |
| raccoon_ | as the version is -2 | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, speedyHAM is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb | 19:52 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 19:52 |
| raccoon_ | cheers | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thank you! | 19:53 |
| raccoon_ | np | 19:53 |
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| kolp__ | speedyham? | 19:57 |
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| freemangordon | kolp__: HAM, but actually usable | 20:03 |
| kolp__ | oh, nice. I've been away for too long | 20:05 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: If I run pnatd interactively as root, I can successfully use “ATDT+1xxxyyyzzzz;” to begin a voice call. However, when using pnatd non-interactively, I cannot succeed at even running only “AT” and seeing the response, never mind using “ATDT”. | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr, well, non-interactive doesn't really show responses, right? | 21:45 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: How can I run pnatd non-interactively to begin a voice call? | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, probbaly exactly like any other "non-interactive" | 21:57 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Please try it yourself. I cannot succeed so far. | 21:58 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: You can even try to call me if you want. Answering your call will not cost me but calling Canada from Europe via the cellular network may cost you. | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: pnatd <(echo "ATD+4991130838;";sleep 15) | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: also see /etc/event.d/phonet-at | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh | 22:45 |
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| ShadowJK | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/15/metro_firefox_canceled/ | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder of maemo fennec had/has more users :) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, Neo900 has more fans than that | 23:21 |
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