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DocScrutinizer05well, modest uses the browserd rendering engine which is FOSS, microB aiui is that engine with a closed blob GUI around it00:16
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DocScrutinizer05stuff like swipes for sure are GUI domain00:17
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DocScrutinizer05at least I'd think they must be GUI, no?00:20
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MaxdamantusDoing something on swipe-from-left is definitely not part of the engine.00:25
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Maxdamantusdunno if the engine has a special handler for swipe-on-left etc though .. probably not.00:26
* Maxdamantus needs to figure out how microb and Fennec start using content views.00:27
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Aggeanyone know if it is posiblet to unmask hidden numbers with the n90000:52
GadgetoidI love how stuff like #maemo is timeless on the internet00:56
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* timeless is on the internet, yes00:56
Gadgetoid... you win sir, you win!00:56
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DocScrutinizer05haha01:27
DocScrutinizer05~seen win7mac01:27
infobotwin7mac <~win7mac@f050170191.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 18m 10s ago, saying: 'And who do you mean by "HiFo" - the e.V. or the board?'.01:27
DocScrutinizer05[2014-03-15 00:28:35] [Whois] win is ~win@par95-2-78-213-76-33.fbx.proxad.net (win)01:28
DocScrutinizer05[2014-03-15 00:28:35] [Whois] win is online via asimov.freenode.net (TX, USA).01:28
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ShahramDocScrutinizer05: if i am going to flash my n900 should i use the vanila version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM01:33
Shahramfirst and than install RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM01:34
Shahramor should i install AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM instead of the vanila?01:34
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Agge~bootloader01:37
infobotSee bootldr01:37
DocScrutinizer05rather use RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM01:37
Agge~bootldr01:37
infobotfrom memory, bootldr is recommended bootldr for Familiar is 2.20.4 (or 2.18.54 for h3100 only) newer might be better.  see http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr or http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/bootldr.html01:38
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ShahramThanks01:41
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ShahramDocScrutinizer05: the bootldr links are not working btw01:45
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ShahramHm i am getting a missing image error when i turn on the phone :S01:48
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DocScrutinizer05failed to flash combined after emmc01:56
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DocScrutinizer05netsplit time01:56
DocScrutinizer05o/ cya l8r01:56
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ShahramI think i did it..01:57
ShahramTake care doc!01:57
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DocScrutinizer05Shahram: the bootldr factoid is bogus unrelated stuff anyway02:05
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DocScrutinizer05~factinfo bootldr02:06
DocScrutinizer05netsplit took bot out02:06
ShahramDocScrutinizer05: Ah ok :) Well i got it working now! Thank you for all the help!02:06
DocScrutinizer05yw02:06
ShahramI had to get my linux laptop up and working for it though. Didn't work on win 7 64bit.02:07
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ShahramKeep up the good work doc!02:07
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Agge~factinfo bootldr03:12
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brolin_empeyWith rtcom-call-ui, can I have a full 4×4 DTMF keypad instead of only a typical truncated 3×4 DTMF keypad?18:43
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kolp__brolin_empey: no, there is no such thing18:49
brolin_empeykolp__: Can I have a full 4×4 DTMF keypad with any other application on Maemo 5?18:50
DocScrutinizer05for whatever definition of DTMF, you prolly could create such app easily, either with a dead simple GUI (qml? even a html template?) to play some .wav samples, or it calls sox with the right parameters18:53
kolp__brolin_empey: dunno, I'm not aware of any18:53
DocScrutinizer05or you even use your hw kbd as keypad, and write a quick&dirty shellscript to check which key is pressed and play according two tones via sox18:54
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: maybe a requirement definition was a good start, iow what for do you need that and what properties/features does it need to have for that usecase18:55
DocScrutinizer05pnatd should understand ATDT0123456789*#abcd18:56
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Which TTY is used by rtcom-call-ui for a “voice call”?19:08
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DocScrutinizer05pnatd19:09
DocScrutinizer05ISI has no notion of "TTY"19:10
DocScrutinizer05actually for a voice call no TTY is used at all, it's direct call of libisi functions19:12
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Run “pnatd -h”. :-P  I mean which device node corresponds to the GSM/UMTS modem?19:13
DocScrutinizer05libisi then talks to phonet0   Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 15-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-0019:14
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DocScrutinizer05there's no TTY like e.g. ttyACM or whatever, the closest you get is pnatd19:15
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: If I want to try using pnatd to send ABCD DTMF tones during a “voice call”, how do I run pnatd?19:16
DocScrutinizer05pnatd <<$(echo ABCD)  ?19:17
DocScrutinizer05sth like that19:17
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DocScrutinizer05or similar stuff via system() and using stdin to send "ABCD"19:19
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: If I interactively run pnatd as root, “AT” returns “OK” but I cannot seem to use ATDT nor ATD .19:30
DocScrutinizer05hmm, when I tried this, I was even able to create a call19:35
DocScrutinizer05maybe you're not booked in to your network?19:35
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DocScrutinizer05strange, maybe my memory fails on me19:37
DocScrutinizer05I actually get ERROR19:37
DocScrutinizer05aah. missing ; at end19:38
DocScrutinizer05without terminating ; it would try to set up a data connection which is not supported this simple way19:39
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DocScrutinizer05so: "AT+49911555555;" works, and maybe "AT*99#" works too for setting up a data channel19:41
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: ^^^19:42
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raccoon_DocScrutinizer05: actually, current URL for latest hildon-application-manager (in community-devel repo) is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb19:51
raccoon_that is, 2.2.73-2, not -119:51
DocScrutinizer05err speedyham?19:52
DocScrutinizer05~literal speedyham19:52
infobot"speedyham" is "http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-1_armel.deb"19:52
raccoon_yep19:52
raccoon_that link 404s19:52
raccoon_as the version is -219:52
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, speedyHAM is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb19:52
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay19:52
raccoon_cheers19:52
DocScrutinizer05thank you!19:53
raccoon_np19:53
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kolp__speedyham?19:57
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freemangordonkolp__: HAM, but actually usable20:03
kolp__oh, nice. I've been away for too long20:05
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: If I run pnatd interactively as root, I can successfully use “ATDT+1xxxyyyzzzz;” to begin a voice call.  However, when using pnatd non-interactively, I cannot succeed at even running only “AT” and seeing the response, never mind using “ATDT”.21:43
DocScrutinizer05errr, well, non-interactive doesn't really show responses, right?21:45
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: How can I run pnatd non-interactively to begin a voice call?21:55
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DocScrutinizer05well, probbaly exactly like any other "non-interactive"21:57
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Please try it yourself.  I cannot succeed so far.21:58
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: You can even try to call me if you want.  Answering your call will not cost me but calling Canada from Europe via the cellular network may cost you.22:01
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DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: pnatd <(echo "ATD+4991130838;";sleep 15)22:09
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DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: also see /etc/event.d/phonet-at22:43
DocScrutinizer05and /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh22:45
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ShadowJKhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/15/metro_firefox_canceled/23:15
ShadowJKI wonder of maemo fennec had/has more users :)23:15
DocScrutinizer05hey, Neo900 has more fans than that23:21
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