| andre__ | if there was something secret to discuss, sure. | 00:00 |
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| andre__ | I gave up joining ##maemo-admin - too much hassle (access restriction) to set up. | 00:00 |
| andre__ | I didn't "refuse to deal with". I asked to unsubscribe me because 0 emails were interesting to me. | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, thanks for this helpful contribution | 00:00 |
| andre__ | You're welcome. Always happy to remind of more openness. | 00:01 |
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| andre__ | I wonder how many "security threads" were actually discussed. And how much stuff in private that could have easily been in public. But that's the normal problem with closed channels... | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you should know that every single IP of a user, every single email alias or address is stuff that mustn't get disclosed to the public | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus admin channels are not public | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway since you refer to something I posted where I referred to how HiFo handled stuff in an unacceptable intolerable way: I wouldn't have had any objections when HiFo had discussed new backup server in #maemo. I would have been happy to see it getting discussed here | 00:05 |
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| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, one of the phones have an app named "candle" and one named "Crazy hamster Li" on it even after a factory reset | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Agge: forget factory reset, do a full reflash! | 00:53 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, I am goning to let my friends do that tomorow right now I am just checking the /dev/mtd1 on the reminding phones | 00:54 |
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| ShadowJK | factory reset doesn't do anything sensible, iirc | 01:20 |
| Agge | one of the phones looks like it was suposed to be sold in india and the third dont have the special symbol keybord | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | llstening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6hRYy6Tj3g | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | om N900, via 3G | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | microB. stock. Video a bit jerky sometimes, audio mostly ok. dunno what's those complaints about | 01:44 |
| FIQ | youtube toolbars has been messed up for me for a while | 01:44 |
| FIQ | but youtube streaming itself works fine | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aidenote: BT A2DP | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this device qnd OS still rocks | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: I MUSTN'T select techstaff@maemo.org mail to send only that mails to you I think might be interesting for you. I'm *NOT* running a one-man-show in maemo infra maintenance. It's up to *you* to decide what's "interesting to you" and what you rather want to ignore. Imagine me selecting which of the mails to techstaff I'd forward to you. Are *you* ready to deal with the shitstorm this woukd cause? I'm not | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there is no "one-man-show" (yet? seems some guys want to establish that) in maemo infra maintenance. Whole techstaff are peers, and sysops are our dignified masters. Nota bene I'm NOT one of them | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (not really, since I know I can't compete, and I try to keep my permissions as keyholder lower than those of the sysops) | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if the right people want to kill my accounts, they are pretty easily able to do so, in no time. Zilch I could do against that. I'm providing a service to techstaff and to community. And God knows it's a PITA to do so, particularly when fools try to play power games | 04:07 |
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| andre__ | DocScrutinizer05, not sure what your problem is talking about "killing your accounts" and why you tell me. What I wrote was that techstaff@ mails aren't interesting to me. | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying to set up an orga that is as liberal and as much independent of my own perosn as I can figure. No "joerg@maemo.org" for complaints regarding any maemo issues is one of the measures. Not holding any power that would forbid sysops nuking all my accounts is another. Then I feel responsible to not allow anybody rogue to access stuff in maemo.org infra, which is another task I try to fulfill. I'm not the one responsible or in | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | command of maemo, I just try to manage stuff according to best practice and common sense. You came accusing me to not operate "open" enough. I don't know how to do any better. Either you suggest better alternatives or I can't help with your concerns | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's techstaff who has control over maemo.org, not me | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | either you are interested in techstaff@ and discuss alternatives there, or you don't care about how and where techstaff communicates | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | accusing me for not managing stuff "open enough" is nonsense | 04:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-13 04:25:31] *** The [[##maemo-admin]] channel topic is "Sysops: 1.warfare(Falk), 2.xes, (999:DocScrutinizer(Joerg)) | /msg chanserv access ##maemo-admin list | Please refer to (and update) http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure and http://roundup.fourecks.de/maemo/ -- Devotion to Duty http://xkcd.com/705/". | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-03-13 04:25:31] *** The topic was set by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg on 2013-10-10 23:30. | 06:00 |
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| SAiF | well this one is a " 404 Not found " and "http://roundup.fourecks.de/maemo/" is a 502 bad gate way.. | 06:03 |
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| SAiF | http://xkcd.com/705/%22 is 404.. can somebody check.. or isit just me | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://xkcd.com/705/ works ;-D | 06:04 |
| SAiF | yes.. it works.. | 06:05 |
| SAiF | :D ha.. silly me | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe roundup is obsolete now, we established it for times when maemo.org is completely down | 06:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the correct location for users to report about bugs in maemo is bugs.maemo.org | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/maemo/maemo.org infra/ | 06:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: the correct location for users to report about bugs in maemo.org infra is bugs.maemo.org | 06:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=Websites | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: if I may help with setting up access to ##maemo-admin for you, please don't hesitate to ping me. We will find a solution to either set up chanserv access lists and invite-exempt accordingly or fix your client's config | 06:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: often the problem is user's client trying to /join a restricted channel before client/user managed to authenticate. The fix is either to defer joining of channels or to log in to freenode server with server password ( usernick:yourpassword, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ) ) | 06:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for xchat you append server password to the server URL in "networks", separated by a space | 06:35 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 10:50 |
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| Arkenoi | I found a supplier that claims to have H397VN01 in stock, $60 | 10:53 |
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| bionoid | I have an N900 that has been lying in a drawer for years. It's broken, no cellular connection (was a fairly common problem at the time it happened I think) | 11:11 |
| bionoid | was about to throw it out, but figured someone here might want it for parts or something. Everything else works (battery is toast though). | 11:12 |
| bionoid | drop me a message if you're interested | 11:12 |
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| silviof | bionoid: but all other things are functional? | 11:23 |
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| bionoid | silviof: afaik yes, it boots fine, display/touch is fine | 12:19 |
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| silviof | bionoid: what is the price and where are you from? | 12:59 |
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| bionoid | silviof: bought & shipped from Norway, I'll send it for the cost of packing/shipping | 13:13 |
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| teotwaki | so, we're back to maemo-drama-land? | 13:13 |
| teotwaki | (just saw my inbox overflowing with HiFo/techstaff trolling) | 13:14 |
| teotwaki | I mean seriously, what the fuck. I'm saying this to anyone, HiFo or techstaff, or any volunteer or whatever who still knows what "maemo" is or was: if you feel any kind of pressure or anxiety when dealing with this projet, just /part, breathe and relax. | 13:15 |
| teotwaki | the project is dead, it has been dead for ages, and it won't zombify any time soon. | 13:16 |
| teotwaki | There is no need for a foundation, there is no need for any kind of 7th-level of management | 13:16 |
| teotwaki | if someone feels like they should host or mirror anything, let them, but for the rest, just let it die. | 13:17 |
| teotwaki | in his email, Jaffa said something about whatever having run its course. He's right. This channel, the servers, whatever, it's just a waste of space and money. | 13:17 |
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| teotwaki | Go home. Make love to your wife. Meet your kids. Write that novel you'd been thinking about for all those years. | 13:18 |
| Agge | what is "HiFo" | 13:25 |
| teotwaki | Hildon Foundation. | 13:26 |
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| andre__ | teotwaki: no! anybody is free to decide what they waste their time on! ;) | 13:31 |
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| teotwaki | andre__: fair enough | 15:20 |
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| Agge|m | DocScrutinizer05, is the first line if I do "/query infobot help" meant to be that way? | 17:42 |
| Agge|m | !flashing | 17:42 |
| teotwaki | ~flashing | 17:46 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:46 |
| teotwaki | ~tell Agge|m about flashing | 17:46 |
| Agge|m | thankis teotwaki | 17:47 |
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| Agge|m | anyone have the link for the bulletporf flasshing instructions? | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge|m: usually without the "help". /query <nickname> opens a new tab or window with a 2-person-chat, where you can type "help" then | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge|m: the URL above *is* the bulletproof flashing | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you should read the complete page first, to understand what it's all about | 18:46 |
| Agge|m | I know | 18:46 |
| Agge|m | I was talking about "<infobot> I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"" | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>...do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form:<< | 18:46 |
| Agge|m | I was wondering it that was by design or just got that way | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~what is flashing | 18:47 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:47 |
| Agge|m | aha I tried to serch for bulletprof but I should serch for foolprofe :( | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys flash | 18:48 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'flash' by key (12 of 69): "reflash" ;; #qi-hardware flashing ;; 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb ;; also, davep's reflash utility ;; compactflash ;; dont know really. not much probably, flash ;; flash 4 plugin for netscape ;; flash api ;; flash freeze ;; flash mount menu ;; flashback ;; flashing. | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget dont know really. not much probably, flash | 18:49 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot dont know really. not much probably, flash | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb | 18:49 |
| infobot | 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb -- created by TheBootroo <d5385115@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.56.81.21> at Mon Jun 20 12:29:09 2011 (997 days). | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb | 18:50 |
| infobot | "6 minutes to flash 3,2gb" is "long" | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb | 18:50 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot 6 minutes to flash 3,2gb | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo also, davep's reflash utility | 18:50 |
| infobot | also, davep's reflash utility -- it has been requested once, last by DocScrutinizer at Sun Mar 28 21:25:29 2010. | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal also, davep's reflash utility | 18:51 |
| infobot | "also, davep's reflash utility" is "ready to test, which could reduce the upgrade to one step." | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget also, davep's reflash utility | 18:51 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot also, davep's reflash utility | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal "reflash" | 18:53 |
| infobot | ""reflash"" is "a program and kernel module that davep has been working on for the past couple of weeks." | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo "reflash" | 18:53 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: no extra info on "reflash" | 18:53 |
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| phoohb | Anybody here who tested installing Ubuntu-touch on a smartphone/tablet? | 19:37 |
| ds3 | it was an unpleasant experience | 19:38 |
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| zGrr | why was that? | 19:38 |
| ds3 | the UI sucks...large latencies in the one I tried | 19:38 |
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| phoohb | I will test it on my "google nexus 7" (are suppose to support dualboat) | 19:38 |
| zGrr | Doesn't suprise me. | 19:39 |
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| phoohb | android/ubuntu | 19:39 |
| zGrr | does it run on X11, or is it some kind of androidish system? | 19:39 |
| ds3 | the boot process is a bit rough... it doesn't show as much feedback as android boot | 19:39 |
| phoohb | Smartphones today are x5 times better than n900 | 19:40 |
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| ds3 | so I was wondering why it didn't power on a few times | 19:40 |
| ds3 | I think it uses that X11 replacement ubuntu guys has been pushing | 19:40 |
| ds3 | weeland or something like that | 19:40 |
| ds3 | I want maemo on a modern device!!! | 19:40 |
| phoohb | Oh, are there a Xorg replacement??? | 19:41 |
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| phoohb | ds3: maemo and ubuntu, use *.deb -package system. It will not be fundamentaly different (i t***k) | 19:42 |
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| ds3 | the UI and libraries are different | 19:43 |
| phoohb | yea. sucks.. (I tested mego the other day, on a Levono s10 netbook. Wifi dint work... HUGE differce to maemo!) | 19:45 |
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| phoohb | Mego is dead project (last version are almost 2years old) | 19:45 |
| ds3 | Tizen!!! | 19:46 |
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| phoohb | *Wayland | 19:51 |
| zGrr | I am still not able to find a replacement for my n900. | 19:56 |
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| phoohb | zGrr: http://neo900.org | 20:02 |
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| phoohb | What do u think about "freedombox" https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox ? | 20:03 |
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| zGrr | I would buy Neo900 despite it's price. | 20:04 |
| zGrr | I am suprised, why they stick to n900 form factor. | 20:05 |
| zGrr | It seems limiting. | 20:05 |
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| zGrr | phoohb: I recently bought an Alix 1d for to serve me as a freedom box. | 20:06 |
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| phoohb | zGrr: I was thinking of attempt that project aswell (but I have a RaspberryPi), and Nexus7 have usb-togo (can function as a standalone system PC).. | 20:08 |
| phoohb | ((no fan noise, project, -duh) | 20:08 |
| zGrr | I have a raspberry pi too. | 20:08 |
| zGrr | It has very poor I/O. | 20:09 |
| jaska | stalinputin | 20:09 |
| jaska | mischan | 20:09 |
| zGrr | phoohb: for some applications Alix is much better suitable than RPi. | 20:10 |
| phoohb | raspberry pi, is not much more than a toy. And I think Freedombox will be a toy at 1st also. So. Google is the new hope | 20:10 |
| zGrr | phoohb: And it is much more robust. | 20:10 |
| phoohb | zGrr: I cant see Alix listed here: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware | 20:12 |
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| Shahram | ~ | 20:13 |
| zGrr | phoohb: what does freedombox actually do? | 20:13 |
| phoohb | Guess it will be a PC without a fan. and without a screen. and mouse. dono. As Raspberry dono | 20:15 |
| phoohb | (4 kids) | 20:15 |
| zGrr | with bunch of services i guess. | 20:15 |
| phoohb | ((save the world thing again)) | 20:16 |
| hxka | ds3: no, "ubuntu guys" weren't pushing wayland | 20:16 |
| hxka | In fact, they hate wayland so much they decided to create their on "X11 replacement" called Mir | 20:17 |
| zGrr | Mir doesn't seem much different from Wayland. | 20:17 |
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| kerio | well, wayland wasn't invented here so it's bad | 20:43 |
| kerio | also, x11 is an established standard that has worked for more than most ubuntu users have been alive, so it's bad | 20:43 |
| kerio | ok actually maybe not | 20:43 |
| kerio | but it's close | 20:43 |
| CR0W | I need to setup a dev. enviroment to build a custom kernel for my N900. My distro is ArchLinux. Is there any guide? I've found in repos (AUR) multiple scratchbox packages. What do i need besides that, and where to get it? | 20:45 |
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| CR0W | kerio: wayland doesn't fix the main issue of x11, which is lack of good documentation, and makes WMs harder to write, as you pretty much have to know DRI, evdev and such. Currently it's a mess even bigger than X in which only big boys like GNOME or KDE can play. Hopefully it'll get better. Also, most flaws of X were fixed a long time ago with extensions such as DR | 20:49 |
| CR0W | kerio: such as DRI2. I understand the point that much of the functionality now is in WMs, but X does make writing WMs easier than Wayland, for example. | 20:50 |
| Wnt | WM == a Window Manager? | 20:51 |
| CR0W | Yep. | 20:51 |
| CR0W | Or compositor in wayland terminology. | 20:51 |
| silviof | CR0W: I run my dev under a vagrant installation: https://github.com/silvio/vagrant-n900-sdk | 20:52 |
| silviof | CR0W: and - I have al | 20:53 |
| CR0W | silviof: so the idea is to have a minimal distro in a vbox/vmware vm? | 20:53 |
| silviof | s/have/use/ | 20:53 |
| infobot | silviof meant: CR0W: and - I use al | 20:53 |
| silviof | CR0W: yes - that is the idea. | 20:53 |
| CR0W | silviof: I'll try it later, thanks. | 20:54 |
| hxka | CR0W: I recommend to use VM and not contaminate your system with scratchbox mess | 20:54 |
| hxka | ~sb | 20:55 |
| infobot | scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440, or at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/ | 20:55 |
| hxka | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z in the last link | 20:55 |
| Shahram | Hello! Exuse me, i am flashing my n900 and i am looking at the http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:56 |
| Shahram | But on the page there is 3 different options for doing so on Windows. What is the difference? | 20:57 |
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| CR0W | Shahram: nokia pcsuite updates the combined image, flasher allows to update combined or emmc or both. | 20:58 |
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| Shahram | CR0W: Ah! thanks. So for flashing it i need to use flasher? | 20:59 |
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| Shahram | oh wait i understand.. Thanks | 21:00 |
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| Shahram | aemo Development Environment Downloads | 21:04 |
| Shahram | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 21:04 |
| Shahram | is not working. Where can i get the latest version of flasher? | 21:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Shahram: Nokia have removed it. Use your favourite search engine and check it is genuine | 21:07 |
| CR0W | Shahram: http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/ | 21:09 |
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| Shahram | does that work for the n900 CR0W ? | 21:09 |
| Lynx-z | Shahram: http://web.archive.org/web/20131117073524/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ | 21:09 |
| CR0W | Shahram: yes. And here are images: http://www.mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N900.html?productID=1090319976&productType=RX-51&ModPagespeed=noscript | 21:09 |
| Shahram | thanks! | 21:10 |
| Shahram | CR0W: Is it relevent what my n900 has for serial number or should i use the one that is from my own country? | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined | 21:16 |
| infobot | somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~emmc | 21:16 |
| infobot | hmm... emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~emmc~flasher | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher | 21:16 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 21:16 |
| CR0W | Shahram: I have no idea, I took the one for europe. | 21:16 |
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| CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: Oh, hi! | 21:17 |
| CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: I replaced the flex, the stuff works. Boy, the front camera needs a lot light. | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good to hear you found a way to replace flex | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | way better than sw hacks | 21:18 |
| CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: I only need to figure out the dev enviroment to build a kernel with a patched mmc kernel module,, to ignore the state of the hall switch. | 21:18 |
| CR0W | I don't need this for now, as I don't use a microSD, but I might in the future. | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues merlin | 21:19 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'merlin' by value (15): php4-pgsql ;; sa-emix ;; extras-devel-light ;; exim+spamassassin ;; melrin ;; #maemo mirror ;; #maemo wiki-backup ;; cssu-optional ;; merlin262 ;; msn client ;; #maemo-ssu optional ;; zip 97532 ;; not mirror #DEL# ;; scratchbox ;; perfectbackup. | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 21:19 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb | 21:21 |
| infobot | i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440, or at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/ | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CR0W: ^^^ | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/ | 21:22 |
| CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: I know, I would ideally want to setup it w/o any vms on my arch. | 21:22 |
| CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: Scratchbox is in my repos, and in fact there are like 10 flavors. | 21:22 |
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| CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: too bad the install script is for debian. I need to go over it and "translate" it. | 21:23 |
| Shahram | DocScrutinizer05: Hello! Should i first flash the combined or should i first flash the EMMC? | 21:28 |
| Shahram | Or is it not relevant? | 21:31 |
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| CR0W | Shahram: I did it like this guide suggested: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Updating_the_firmware_using_the_Nokia_Software_Updater | 21:32 |
| CR0W | Erm, forget the anchor... | 21:32 |
| CR0W | DocScrutinizer05: so N900 doesn't support USB OTG? Is it because of the hardware? | 21:36 |
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| Shahram | thanks | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Shahram: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Troubleshooting | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | foolproof method is combined, emmc, combined | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since you need a working rootfs (from combined) to flash emmc, but you must flash combined *after* you flashed emmc. So you flash combined TWO times | 21:45 |
| Shahram | thanks a lot DocScrutinizer05 :) | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you're confident (or feel venturous) then you can try to flash emm, combined. The first flash of combined is only needed to ensure emmc flashing succeeds. You however will notice when it doesn't succeed (usually, when you keep an eye on it) | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the full worst case scenario is: emmc(fail), combined, emmc(success), combined | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now you can gamble whether first emmc flashing will succeed or fail | 21:49 |
| Shahram | DocScrutinizer05: I think i have everything i need now to do this except a charger to charge the bat which i have at home. Thanks again <3 | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | generally when your system is working, you don't see emmc flash failing | 21:50 |
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| CR0W | Shahram: it can be charged with any pc, you just need a usb-a <-> usb micro b cable. | 21:51 |
| Shahram | It is not charging with the computer i am using. It seems like it is not suporting all powersources. It complained it is too low powerinput. | 21:51 |
| Shahram | later <3 | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Shahram: "too low power" is a warning that the N900 system eats more electric current than the charger can provide. This doesn't mean it's not *trying* to charge, it means your N900 is way too busy, possibly with data over 3G, with high LCD backlight brightness, and/or with processes hogging the CPU - tracker/indexer comes to mind | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Shahram: plugging in the charger to a powered down N900 will boot to act-dead mode which is consuming almost no energy, since all power hogs are inactive | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CR0W: I installed scratchbox to OpenSuse, according to a howto I found on suse wiki | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tad hard to find meanwhile, but afaik still existing | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I'd go for VM every day, when my system has sufficient grunt. "Native" sb is a pita | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and offers nice opportunities to nuke your complete PC linux system with a simple `rm /scratchbox` | 22:06 |
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| gholen | ~flashing | 22:34 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:34 |
| Agge|m | Gholen look out that page is a little confusing :) | 22:35 |
| gholen | Agge|m: So I see. | 22:35 |
| Agge|m | Search for "foolproof flashing" on the page but read all of it | 22:37 |
| gholen | Agge|m Lokks like the tool has gone about to page 404? | 22:38 |
| Agge|m | DocScrutinizer05: ? ^ | 22:38 |
| Agge|m | Lynx-z told me she fond some of the files with the wayback machine | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher | 22:40 |
| infobot | flasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 22:40 |
| Agge|m | ~list | 22:41 |
| infobot | one warez list being sent | 22:41 |
| Agge|m | ~help | 22:41 |
| Agge|m | DocScrutinizer05: no list of ~ comands? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status | 22:44 |
| infobot | Since Wed Mar 12 22:29:45 2014, there have been 3 modifications, 31 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 24 commands. I have been awake for 22h 14m 17s this session, and currently reference 119246 factoids. I'm using about 21532 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 171.15/3.47 child 0/0 | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys zip | 22:44 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 12262 ;; zip 14304 ;; zip 16052 ;; zip 16350 ;; zip 17832 ;; zip 21556 ;; zip 21620 ;; zip 27259 ;; zip 27851 ;; zip 27852 ;; zip 29320 ;; zip 29449 ;; zip 30116 ;; zip 43608 ;; zip 43635 ;; zip 52660 ;; zip 53176 ;; zip 53195 ;; zip 57115 ;; zip 58476 ;; zip 6061. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys emmc | 22:44 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'emmc' by key (4): emmcinfo ;; emmc ;; #maemo emmc ;; emmc #DEL#. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge|m: if it wasn't clear from above: there are roundabout 120k of "~ comands" | 22:45 |
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| Agge|m | Yeah did see that. I dident think that it existed that many I was imagin maybe 100-200 of them | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, just the zip crap takes 42k of them | 22:47 |
| gholen | Yeah. I'll have to wait. Windows is not something you do this on. | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there been another huge class of similar pretty "useless" factoids, also several dozen k | 22:48 |
| Agge|m | What is the zip stuf about? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~zip 12245 | 22:48 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, zip 12245 is Albany Albany NY | 22:48 |
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| Agge|m | ~zip 41832 | 22:49 |
| infobot | hmm... zip 41832 is Letcher Letcher KY | 22:49 |
| Agge|m | It is also göteborg sweden :) | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | zip 90210 | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~zip90210 | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try again ;-P | 22:50 |
| Agge|m | Why do it list all us zip codes dont feel that usefull? | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~zip 90210 | 22:50 |
| infobot | i heard zip 90210 is Beverly Hills Los Angeles CA | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :P | 22:50 |
| Agge|m | ~zip 41832 | 22:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, zip 41832 is Letcher Letcher KY | 22:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | useful, if you live in USA | 22:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | which I don't | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's just been dead simple to add that bulk of bloat | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 22:52 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... zip 37228... Nashville Davidson TN | 22:52 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 22:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | why not a api with "zip foo" | 22:52 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... zip 80123... Littleton Jefferson CO | 22:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 22:52 |
| infobot | Hey docscrutinizer05, port 4258 is vrml-multi-use - VRML Multi User Systems | 22:52 |
| Agge|m | Might be but how ofthen do you have only pary of an adress | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~port 22 | 22:52 |
| infobot | port 22 is, like, ssh - SSH Remote Login Protocol | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 22:53 |
| infobot | Hey docscrutinizer05, zip 55909 is Adams Mower MN | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 22:53 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds weathercode burley... KBYI located in Burley United States. 42-32-30N 113-45-58W. | 22:53 | |
| Shahram | Thanks DocScrutinizer05 I will look it up and see what is taking so much power. | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys weathercode | 22:53 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'weathercode' by key (13 of 11705): weathercode abong-mbang ;; weathercode atikokan ;; weathercode butmir ;; weathercode clut lake ;; weathercode cwas ;; weathercode cwjr ;; weathercode dedza ;; weathercode etik ;; weathercode fogr ;; weathercode fond du lac ;; weathercode hfff ;; weathercode ho ;; weathercode kcll. | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only 11k | 22:53 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, any plans of a revrite of the flashing page? | 22:57 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | what's wrong with the flashing page? | 23:05 |
| nox- | http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/2014/03/13/eu-law-to-end-nightmare-of-multiple-chargers/ | 23:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yep, they need to do the same with earphones. | 23:08 |
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| Agge | sixwheeledbeast, all 4 peaple that boght "new" N900 that i know thinks that it is confusing | 23:11 |
| Agge | and it contains broken links | 23:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "Broken" links cannot be removed because that is the correct source, all others are copies. | 23:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also I feel it's normal people have no patience to read the whole thing first. There's even a link to a !yt video | 23:13 |
| r00t-eeepc | nox-: first paragraph says battery, rest of text says charger, wtf? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: nope, the page is what it is, since it became that during years, with 1000s (literaly) of fixes to kick false info and ambiguities out, and handle every faintly possible misconception | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | (except people still have no clue what to do, so the page is still not working) | 23:16 |
| Agge | thanks finaly somone ellse that dare to say that in the channel | 23:20 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, If me and the 4 other persons white a new guide page for flashing the N900 would you consider adding it as the guide for flashing the N900? | 23:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | This has been brought up before. It has been locked for a reason. If it kept being re-ordered and poked around it will cause more confusion IMO. | 23:23 |
| Agge | that is why I am proposing that we do a compleate rewrite | 23:24 |
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| Maxdamantus | I wonder if the Wiki has checksums for the files not available from the "correct" source anymore. | 23:27 |
| Agge | ~flasher | 23:28 |
| infobot | well, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 23:28 |
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| Agge | hm dont look like it is on the wiki | 23:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think md5sums would be worth adding | 23:29 |
| Maxdamantus | I think they should be sha1 or sha2 sums, but meh. | 23:30 |
| Maxdamantus | since the point of having them on the Wiki would be so people can check that they have the file that's actually endorsed by the Wiki, even though they might've got it from an untrusted source. | 23:31 |
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| Maxdamantus | not sure if the attacks on md5 scale to large inputs. | 23:32 |
| Maxdamantus | (as opposed to just checking for corruption during transfer, which md5 still works at doing) | 23:33 |
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| gholen | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/03/how-to-hard-reset-nokia-n900/ DocScrutinizer05 & sixwheeledbeast, what about this? | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea. tl;dr | 23:44 |
| Shahram | DocScrutinizer05: :/ I rather liked it. it explains rather well. | 23:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | What about it? It fails to cover all versions of flasher and all versions of maemo. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~emmc | 23:46 |
| infobot | i guess emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined | 23:46 |
| infobot | combined is, like, the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 23:46 |
| Shahram | sixwheeledbeast: I think it could be a good idea to write a new documentation with updated links and simplefied instruktions. | 23:47 |
| Shahram | Don't you guys think so? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2014-03-13 22:29:52] <sixwheeledbeast> I think md5sums would be worth adding)) HM? >>...or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/<< | 23:47 |
| Agge | ~ssu | 23:48 |
| infobot | it has been said that ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Shahram: the instruction are not goning simpler over time, they started simple and gone more complex to handle all possible mistakes users can and *will* do | 23:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Not really as I said above. Generally its people haven't read and "absorbed" the whole thing. I can't see a better way to cover all the information there. | 23:49 |
| Lynx-z | but it's really not easy to read through, just saying | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 23:49 |
| Shahram | Yeah. I am sure we could re arange it. Make it more readable. | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and wel, flashing isn't "easy" | 23:50 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, do it exist an application manager that is bether then the ones that default? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "how to repair your car's brakes - a 20 seconds video tutorial" | 23:51 |
| Shahram | Why than make it harder with complicated instruktions/wiki/manual? | 23:51 |
| Lynx-z | nobody says it have to be easy, right? but there are no point to confuse users even more by an very unsimply stuctured documentation | 23:51 |
| Agge | "drive it to the nerest repair shop" :) | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | IIRC we had this same conversation a while ago. this caused a flashing ver2 page to be created which caused even more confusion. This was moved to user space a week later. | 23:52 |
| Agge | yeah it was with me :) | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Lynx-z: you're free to design a multiple-choice form for users to fill, and then have 2^N specialized "updating the firmware" pages | 23:52 |
| gholen | DocScrutinizer05: Don't get it wrong, the manual is fine in its own way, but its really not "easy" to get a grip around. It's a little bit like coding binary. Some of the link's are dead (the oh so dreadful 404) and that makes it look like it's not about to work. | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: we had this discussion every 3 months, during last 4 years | 23:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gholen: that's thanks to Nokia taking down elementary support pages | 23:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lots of things come around in circles in maemo land. I was using an example. | 23:54 |
| Shahram | Would it not be possible if we crowdsourced it all? I mean it is not needed for one person to write all the different installation options | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are no stable new links to replace | 23:54 |
| Agge | DocScrutinizer05, I think that all users would trust you with hosting correct files for this | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there been a stable link til some 2 months ago, when HiFo started going berserk | 23:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | New wave of users come along on IRC and TMO, ask the same 6 questions then silence for 3 months, repeat. | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: I'm the heck not doing this ANYMORE. I did, until 2 moths ago... | 23:56 |
| Agge | too bad | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so for now it's | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined | 23:56 |
| infobot | somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~emmc | 23:56 |
| infobot | well, emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher | 23:57 |
| infobot | flasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 23:57 |
| Shahram | How come you stopped DocScrutinizer05 ? | 23:57 |
| Agge | ~packagemanager | 23:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh | 23:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 23:57 |
| infobot | [pkg] http://maemo.org/packages/ | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#All_Systems the "Note:" | 23:57 |
| Agge | I am actuly looking for a bether package manager then the original if it exist? | 23:58 |
| Agge | iirc it need to do some special stuff not just a "apt-get" interface | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: ask freemangordon for speedy-HAM | 23:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Do you mean application manager? | 23:58 |
| Agge | yeah | 23:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Do not use apt-get, speedyHAM is the way. CSSU-Devel repo | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Shahram: some guys started bitching and threatening me | 23:59 |
| nox- | r00t-eeepc, yeah its about the changers | 23:59 |
| Agge | aha thanks | 23:59 |
| Shahram | DocScrutinizer05: oh idiots.. Yeah ofc that is why we can't have nice things | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Shahram: so I got aware that on my own box cloud-7 there been my personal backups world-readable. I fixed that error | 23:59 |
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