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antithesis> Warning: Those of you familiar with Debian or other similar Linux distributions know that it is very easy to keep the distro up to date by means of the apt-get command. However, there is currently a problem with some of the central Easy Debian apps in the Debian Squeeze repositories (gconf2 in particular). Therefore, it is recommended that for the moment you simply use the image as is. Do not perform a full upgrade (apt-get update is safe, though) when08:29
antithesis Squeeze (or even Sid) is enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list. This warning will be removed when this issue is resolved.08:29
antithesisShould I expect this to ever get fixed?08:29
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zammDocScrutinizer51: my keyboard does not have anymore the blacklight10:33
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zammwhat happened... the light behind my keyboard10:34
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zammI rebooted the n90010:35
zammno way10:35
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int_uaHi, where can I find any info on default time sync method (used in clock applet)? Only thing I've found reading TMO and BMO is ~/.clockd.conf How can I debug time sync feature?12:39
int_uaIt was working ideally on my first N900, and doesn't seem to work on the second with the same software, SIM and settings12:40
int_uarunning clockd gives "Attempt to remove filter function 0xcca8 user data (nil), but no such filter has been added"12:46
int_uaboth by user and by root12:47
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zGrrmoin :)12:58
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DocScrutinizer05zamm: it's highly unlikely that all 6 kbd backlight LEDs break, but the 3 LEDs in RGB indicator LED still work. All 9 LEDs are controlled via same controller chip14:33
DocScrutinizer05zamm: your problem either is with slider magnet which detects kbd open, or with ambient light sensor, or simply with software, particularly MCE14:35
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troulouliou_devhi is there anybody running maemo with root and sd card fs encrypted by cryptsetup ?14:35
DocScrutinizer05slider magnet getting loose and lost is a common and known problem - not frequent but still several reports14:36
troulouliou_devis it even possible ?14:36
DocScrutinizer05troulouliou_dev: I think a number of users implemented such setup14:36
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, cause actually n900 is really unsecure against physical forensic14:37
DocScrutinizer05it never been designed to deal with this 'threat'14:38
Hurrianwell, you bought a device with no restrictions for a reason ;)14:38
troulouliou_devi would like to enter password for rootfs and then decrypt sd card with a keyfile14:38
Hurriantroulouliou_dev: you'll have to make an initramfs14:38
DocScrutinizer05troulouliou_dev: maemo is a pretty normal standard linux system14:38
Hurrianso far, all encryption attempts on N900 encrypt eMMC14:38
troulouliou_devHurrian, ok so already good; i can then decrypt sdcrad with a keyfile stored in emmc14:39
Hurrianyes, you can do that too14:40
troulouliou_devi just wonder if the perfs won't ipact th efeasability14:40
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troulouliou_devimpact the feasability14:40
DocScrutinizer05troulouliou_dev: when you say "rootfs" what do you mean? it's pretty easy to encrypt homedir. It gets tricky when you want to encrypt even "immutable" files in /bin and initscripts14:40
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, yes those can stay like thos14:40
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, i barely remember but those are on a squashfs no ?14:41
DocScrutinizer05well, then just follow instructions for standard linux14:41
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, ok but do you think the performance will be ok ?14:41
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int_ualanguageregional applet is broken, how do I list all enabled locales on N900 from CLI?14:43
int_uathose that can be added with add_remove_language14:43
int_uaWhat's the default /etc/locale.gen on N900?14:44
DocScrutinizer05dang, gremlins ate my IroN900 system ;-P14:44
int_uaI've installed locales package trying to debug clockd, run locale-gen and got locales completely broken14:45
DocScrutinizer05LOL, 2nd line is *output*14:46
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# reboot14:46
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# + [ x6 = x-t ]14:46
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DocScrutinizer05troulouliou_dev: I don't know about performance, since I never tested that setup14:47
troulouliou_deveasier for me would be to switch to an android phone ; it is not even a money issue but i love that piece of linux phone :)14:48
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: locales on maemo are "broken by factory" - all locales are in the cache file only, making for a 20+MB of locale data that can't get edited14:48
int_uaDocScrutinizer05, should I just delete locales package?14:49
int_uaDocScrutinizer05, also I remember finding some insctructions on regenerating it14:49
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: you can't delete locale package, I dunno what installs that monster 20MB locale.cache(?)14:50
int_uaDocScrutinizer05, It wasn't installed before this morning even14:50
int_ualocale_S_ package14:50
DocScrutinizer05and afaik the data to regenerate it is missing and not even open source14:50
DocScrutinizer05shame on you, Nokia14:50
zammso DocScrutinizer05 if is software matter?14:52
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive14:53
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23911920 2010-02-19 11:58 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive14:53
DocScrutinizer05zamm: this wasn't addressed at you14:54
DocScrutinizer05zamm: I dunno, you need to do further tests/checks14:54
zammlike what?14:54
zammis buyable neo900?14:55
DocScrutinizer05cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state14:55
zammmmm ok14:55
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zammwait I am on cell14:55
DocScrutinizer05then don't bother14:55
DocScrutinizer05just see the FAQ on neo900.org14:56
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DocScrutinizer05cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state14:56
zammit says open14:57
zammand its' true14:57
DocScrutinizer05then no issue with magnet14:57
zammyep also closed14:58
zammworks fine14:58
zammso how much to wait for a neo900 please?14:59
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DocScrutinizer05zamm: sorry?15:03
DocScrutinizer05zamm: please rephrase! and meanwhile try15:03
DocScrutinizer05for led in $(find /sys -path '*:kb*' -name brightness); do echo 100 >$led; done15:03
troulouliou_devzamm, it is required to have 1000 donations and actually there is only like 340 ...15:04
DocScrutinizer05nope, that's not correct, we are already like 2 months into development15:04
DocScrutinizer05it needed 200 device "preorders"15:04
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, the donations schedule is not impacting the release date ?15:04
troulouliou_devha goo dnew :) :)15:05
DocScrutinizer051000 is what allows us do get better offers for sourcing components15:05
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, but there is all your internal fight going on no ?15:05
troulouliou_devor is it solved too ?15:05
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DocScrutinizer05what internal fight? the fight with buerocracy is almost won. No other fights15:06
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troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, cool good news then :)15:06
DocScrutinizer05next week we will announce a new entity that's dealing with Neo900 project as sole purpose15:06
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, it may cpom eout in 2014 ?15:06
troulouliou_devcome out15:07
DocScrutinizer05that's still the plan15:07
DocScrutinizer05late Q315:07
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, btw are you surfing/browsing with your n900 ?15:07
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, thats the point cause it is really a pain to use it for surfing15:07
troulouliou_devall my browsers always hangs/freeze ....15:08
DocScrutinizer05well, it's not as smooth as modern devices, yes15:08
troulouliou_devwhen i see my wife with its nsa powered android device; sometimes i hesitate ....15:08
DocScrutinizer05and web sites tend to be xx MB in size, and bloated with useless flash and JS crap nowadays15:09
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, maybe playing with the user agent somehow could help15:09
DocScrutinizer05might help, indeed15:10
DocScrutinizer05most bloated websites have special versions they deliver to mobile devices that get recognized15:10
DocScrutinizer05particularly spyPhone15:10
DocScrutinizer05but probably also all those android phones. chrome?15:11
DocScrutinizer05I guess there must be a pretty easy way to change/define browser ID of microB15:12
DocScrutinizer05I never looked into that since it never bothered me15:12
DocScrutinizer05zamm: what's the result of                        for led in $(find /sys -path '*:kb*' -name brightness); do echo 100 >$led; done15:13
DocScrutinizer05zamm: your kbd LEDs should flash for a short moment at least15:13
DocScrutinizer05zamm: also, does your indicator LED work?15:13
DocScrutinizer05zamm: it's not unheard that fcam is messing with the lp5523 LED controller chip so terribly that only removing battery can "fix" it15:14
zammI turn on my notebook so I can do better15:16
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DocScrutinizer05maybe your find doesn't work all OKish on messybox15:17
zammypaste again that15:18
DocScrutinizer05for led in /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness; do echo 100 >$led; done15:18
zammincluded in?15:18
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zamm|Nokia-N900:~# /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness; do echo 100 >$led; done15:19
zamm|-sh: /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb?/brightness: not found15:19
zamm|-sh: cannot create : nonexistent directory15:19
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /sys/class/leds/15:20
zamm|Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /sys/class/leds/15:20
zamm|drwxr-xr-x    3 root     root            0 Mar 12 14:20 twl4030:vibrator15:20
DocScrutinizer05remove battery!15:20
zammmmm I can use nopaste15:20
zammI do like you said15:21
DocScrutinizer05make sure you don't use KP<4815:21
DocScrutinizer05KP had some pretty hard fsckup re lp5523 drivers, or rather to that too, as well as to I2C in general15:22
zammwhat's KP<48?15:22
zammwhatever I removed battery15:22
zammnow is booting15:22
DocScrutinizer05as already said: fcam is notorious to "destroy" the lp5523 driver15:22
zammit works15:23
zammleds are ok15:23
DocScrutinizer05they are doing some *really* nasty stuff to that poor chip and driver15:23
DocScrutinizer05fine, so you're back to proper health :-D15:23
DocScrutinizer05no idea who and how manages to kill the lp5523 kernel driver that way15:25
DocScrutinizer05madprobe lp5523 might help15:25
DocScrutinizer05leds_lp5523 actually15:26
DocScrutinizer05next time you do a lsmod|grep 552315:27
DocScrutinizer05and when no module leds_lp5523 loaded, you do modprobe leds_lp552315:27
DocScrutinizer05then you also might need a    stop mce;sleep 2;start mce15:28
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* DocScrutinizer05 waves15:28
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DocScrutinizer05wow, busybox find works, at least for the cmdline above. Amazing15:32
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zammthanks DocScrutinizer05 for my dummy bores15:38
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DocScrutinizer05yw! much appreciated to learn what's the everyday issues seen in N90015:46
zGrrinsufficient memory :)15:47
DocScrutinizer05next time I know I'm suggesting lsmod first15:47
DocScrutinizer05zGrr: as a reason for leds_lp5523 failing?15:47
zGrrDocScrutinizer05: oops, sorry.15:48
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BCMM_is online POI search broken in Modrana, or is it just me?17:22
DocScrutinizer05search of coords from addr in contacts returns ~1km offset cords in ovi-maps. While search for same street/addr in ovimaps directly works just fine. dunno if it's related17:28
DocScrutinizer05definitely something fishy with that stuff17:29
BCMM_DocScrutinizer05: thanks, but it's the POI search that's broken in modrana - things like "bank near my current position"17:29
BCMM_used to give a list and put markers on the map, now nothing17:29
DocScrutinizer05will also work with lon/lat coords on *some* level17:30
DocScrutinizer05just saying something's bit rotting there17:30
DocScrutinizer05I'd expect it to spread across adjacent domains, like POI, dunnowhat17:31
BCMM_yeah i imagine it's a google API change, but it's not inaccurate; it's just absent (no results)17:31
BCMM_i'll write up a bug when i get home; in the mean-time, any suggestions for a POI search program?17:31
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: you can put in direct co-ordinates in contacts?17:32
DocScrutinizer05maybe, I seem to recall that worked17:32
DocScrutinizer05I'm using simple street/number, city addr-records in contacts17:32
DocScrutinizer05those are clickable since PR13(?)17:33
DocScrutinizer05I checked with my PR1.2+ t900 device, and there you can't click addr in contacts17:33
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Siceloyeah, regular address is clickable, but mostly inaccurate. your comment above suggested coordinates are acceptable. that would have been nice at least17:34
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: anyway map search is off-board for ovi-maps, no matter what. So I suspect it's a question of web service functionality what you can search for17:35
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DocScrutinizer05I heard complaints about Nokia's ovi-maps recently17:36
* Sicelo uses only stock Maps on N900, having tried the others.. 17:36
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BCMM_can anybody recommend a POI search tht17:46
BCMM_currently works?17:46
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AggeDocScrutinizer05, I got the 3 china N900 before me now17:54
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Aggethe IMEI: numers is 35693803*******17:54
Aggeand the *#0000# says different things on all of them17:55
Agge#1: RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1-DR-205       #2 V 21.2011.38-1        #3V 21.2011.38-1.00417:59
AggeMy original says V 21.2011.38-117:59
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Aggeall of them have a file named /dev/mtd1 but I have no idea how to see any information in them18:23
Aggeall of them also vas delivered with 4GB sd cards containgen a folder stryckture but no files18:25
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thedead1440just fyi; once a sd card is inserted into a n900, the standard folder structure is created18:31
Aggeaha. that explains that. what do the different *#0000# information signify?18:36
DocScrutinizer05Agge: cat /dev/mtd1|strings18:37
DocScrutinizer05Agge: +#0000# is about cmt firmware version aiui18:37
thedead1440First one is pr1.0, second one is pr1.3.1 and third is pr1.3.1 of a different region if i am not wrong18:38
DocScrutinizer05damn sure you should do a full reflash on all three18:38
DocScrutinizer05will also reveal any elementary problems in hw18:39
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is
Aggeof course :)18:39
infobotsomebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see, or
infobotrumour has it, emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or, or
infobotit has been said that flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
Aggehow do I do a | on a N900?18:41
DocScrutinizer05ooh, and you probably only should use /dev/mtd1ro ever18:43
Aggeget permission dinided on the cat /dev/mtd1|strings need to fix sudo18:43
Aggeand get "strings: not found18:44
DocScrutinizer05not that *ro is of more liberal permissions18:44
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# strings --version18:44
DocScrutinizer05GNU strings (GNU Binutils for Debian)
infobotjrtools is probably
* DocScrutinizer05 frowns at tools lib dust. That stuff could use an update18:48
DocScrutinizer05s/ lib / repo /18:48
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: xtf?18:49
DocScrutinizer05ooh, same old catch18:49
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AggeDocScrutinizer05, anything simular to strings that i can use?18:55
Aggeor can i install it easy?18:55
DocScrutinizer05apt-get install binutils18:55
DocScrutinizer05get tools repo enabled for that. Disable afterwords. Manage repos (aka catalogs) in HAM!18:56
DocScrutinizer05clicking link in ~jrtools will configure tools repo for you, using HAM18:56
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Aggegot strings installed. now I am thinking about a good way to pastbin it18:57
DocScrutinizer05hmm pastebinit is always broken when I try to get latest version18:58
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DocScrutinizer05anyway pastebinit is a python(?) script, just find the newest shiniest version of it and copy the script to N900's /usr/local/bin, chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/pastebinit18:59
DocScrutinizer05sometimes a cat|netcat 1234 worked19:00
DocScrutinizer05but I guess it got abused a lot and they stopped that finally. And netcat also not available per standard19:01
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DocScrutinizer05Agge: anyway nobody really wants to read the whole noise from a cat /dev/mtd1ro|strings19:03
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DocScrutinizer05try cat /dev/mtd1ro|strings|less, then search through it for interesting stuff19:03
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Aggefor one fo the phones19:04
DocScrutinizer05there are things like software versions of the flash-events the device seen, IMEI, BT mac, locale, kbd default layout, etc pp19:04
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DocScrutinizer05the CAL "filesystem" keeps old records usually, so you see a lot of duplicates19:06
AggeI asume that this line "wRX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.UK-IRELAND" is that it was original sold in irland19:06
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DocScrutinizer05ConF is record delimiter, then key, then some garbage (actually version number of record) then value19:07
DocScrutinizer05yes, probably19:07
DocScrutinizer05or at least configured to get sold in Ireland19:08
DocScrutinizer05yes, default19:08
hxkawhat? I thoughth it's hash that is suppoed to be there19:08
DocScrutinizer05once you change that, it has the hash of true lockcode instead19:08
DocScrutinizer0512345 means "virgin"19:08
DocScrutinizer05nobody ever changed the lockcode (unless there are further lockcode records in cal)19:09
DocScrutinizer05when libcal searches for e.g. lockcode, it reads whole mtd1 and searches for the lockcode record with highest version number19:10
hxkaSo it may be not the last one?19:11
DocScrutinizer05yes, it *might* be any of the records with key "lockcode"19:11
DocScrutinizer05but usually it's the last one19:11
Aggeunless it is in some other file it is just that one19:12
DocScrutinizer05cal just appends new records, until the mtd1 is full19:12
DocScrutinizer05nobody knows for sure what libcal does when mtd1 is full19:13
DocScrutinizer05it's supposed to clean up some erase pages19:13
DocScrutinizer05or maybe it does a complete mtd1 rewrite19:13
DocScrutinizer05who knows19:13
AggeI don't have time to check the /dev/mtd1ro on the other phones right now but I will check it later today19:14
DocScrutinizer05so all three devices seem to work?19:14
DocScrutinizer05how much they were?19:14
DocScrutinizer05and where did you buy?19:15
Aggeone of them had no power in the battery19:15
DocScrutinizer05ohwell, empty battery is a minor "sin"19:16
Agge135$ + shipping19:16
Aggegot a little less on shipping becose I ordered 3 but import tax aite that19:17
DocScrutinizer05what package, which accessories?19:17
Aggehad some problem geting the seller to understand that I dindent want him to send it with UPS19:17
Aggeblue box with charger,usb cabel and hedphones19:18
Aggeall exept the charger looks like it should19:18
DocScrutinizer05charger a noname?19:19
Aggenope it is marked nokia but it is not the same as the origilan N900 got dileverd with19:19
DocScrutinizer05prolly no problem19:19
DocScrutinizer05is the digitizer original?19:20
AggeA other person that ordered one himself got his in a black box that lookes like the original box but made from corogated paper instad of just thick paper19:21
DocScrutinizer05or can you detect any tiny differences, e.g. in the "N900" silver printing19:21
DocScrutinizer05the "touchscreen"19:21
Aggethe nokia mark on the front is allot smaler font and allot less silver19:22
DocScrutinizer05mhm, fake19:22
DocScrutinizer05ooh, the NOKIA mark19:22
DocScrutinizer05well that's frame19:23
DocScrutinizer05the original is white afaik19:23
DocScrutinizer05I'd call it white19:23
DocScrutinizer05the "N900" silver printin on right upper corner19:23
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Aggepicture of both of them19:24
Aggeboth an original and a new19:24
DocScrutinizer05the lower one has "N900" covered by a sticker19:25
Aggeyeah it is as good as identical as on the original19:25
zGrrA new one is covered with the sticker with QR code on it.19:26
DocScrutinizer05lower one has a nasty screen protector foil applied19:26
DocScrutinizer05makes me think they tried to cover some scratches in original digitizer19:27
DocScrutinizer05ooh, upper one also has a screen protector foil19:27
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DocScrutinizer05afk, bbl19:28
Aggenope no scratches unless they are extremly thiny19:28
Aggegtg bbl19:28
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silviofmaybe the china phone is refurbisched?19:37
silviof... in china19:37
DocScrutinizer05most probably it is19:38
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lizardoDoes anyone else has problems with Maemo Wiki's CSS looking broken (i.e. it does not seem to load)? I already tried both firefox and chrome, and same problem happens... Screenshot:
lizardo(note that the top left logo also looks broken... and the page takes several seconds to load)20:53
DocScrutinizer05probably trouble in servers. I'm not supposed to take care anymore, please pester HiFo20:55
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DocScrutinizer05since they are so eager to take care of server maintenance and think my job is done, go pester them20:58
lizardoDocScrutinizer05: actually I had these problems for several months , but never bothered to ask (as I'm not using the wiki as much as I used to be, so I kept forgetting20:58
DocScrutinizer05ooh, then you probably have a browser that gets hickup due to the redirect for static.maemo.org20:59
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lizardoDocScrutinizer05: I tried both firefox and chrome, same problem in both. I ask if anyone else is having similar problems, because if it is only me, I might trace to some caching issue on my network21:01
lizardoDocScrutinizer05: but indeed I have problems with accessing static.maemo.org21:01
DocScrutinizer05works for me21:01 is a reditrect to
lizardoDocScrutinizer05: now I see (with wget)... that's the problem :)21:02
DocScrutinizer05some firewalls or browsers get hickup on that21:02
lizardoDocScrutinizer05: I need to ask TI to allow this port for me21:02
DocScrutinizer05borkage done during consolidation21:03
DocScrutinizer05we had no free IP for static.maemo.org21:03
DocScrutinizer05sorry for the inconvenience21:05
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DocScrutinizer05lizardo: if your IT dude starts bitching about idiocy in, suggest to him (her?) to join maemo techstaff team to sanitize the situation ;-)21:13
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DocScrutinizer05meh., scratch that. according to HiFo my job "got accomplished", so I wouldn't know to tell you whom this guy/gal should talk to, to find the way to techstaff and the maemo infra21:24
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DocScrutinizer05I'm so fed up with HiFo completely detached from infra maintenance and orga and not a single idea of any detail how stuff works (both technically and organizational), but yet trying to restructure stuff21:29
DocScrutinizer05and main promotor of that movement ignored simplest rules of techstaff team like constant availability in maintenance channel and never ever organizing relevant topics in any other (particularly no closed) channels, or finding a stand-in when he's not available, despite counting himself for techstaff member21:31
DocScrutinizer05now accusimg *me* to run a one-man-show on maemo infra21:32
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drathirDocScrutinizer05: that no wifi what i check should be connected with antenna when i come close to router signal is little stronger and stable...21:45
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DocScrutinizer05drathir: cleaning C-springs and antenna contact pads should help21:56
drathirDocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot i need to try that when i have a little free time i hope that help...22:03
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DocScrutinizer05drathir: note that also the test jack X6301 might have a bad contact22:04
DocScrutinizer05carefully inserting a paperclip with not too much force might wipe any oxides and dirt off the switch in that jack22:05
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DocScrutinizer05X6301 is roughly opposite side of the C-springs22:07
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DocScrutinizer05that paperclip wire has to be pretty thin, check X6301 with a magnifier glass to get an idea22:26
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DocScrutinizer05btw re HiFo: for a quote of said techstaff member, HiFo maber, and jyes, even member of that "fucking council"22:48
DocScrutinizer05sounds symptomatic for HiFo's take on council22:49
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Win7MacDocScrutinizer05, we adjusted the Association Rules as you requested23:08
DocScrutinizer05also seems like there's a general idea in HiFo that HiFo should *control* council23:08
Win7Macnope, why would that be?23:08
Win7MacAnd who do you mean by "HiFo" - the e.V. or the board?23:09
DocScrutinizer05I mean you, whoever you are. And now you make it on my ignore list. I don't need unprovoked insults23:10
ZogG_laptophahaha old good Doc :)23:11
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: sup23:11
DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: business as usual. IOW I'm going to ignore all that maemo mess even more than I was able to do during last 8 weeks23:12
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ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: it was upsetting see you fightig on list. do not take it close to your heart man23:16
DocScrutinizer05nah, i'm almost done with that shit. I had an idea of a council elected by community to handle community's interestes in a democratic manner, as humble steward of maemo community. And a techstaff that handles technical aspects according to what council instructs to the abstarct techstaff entity. I did my best to establish that and thought I finally achived on my part, when HiFo comes and wrecks it for no good reason23:19
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: btw is neo900 related to maemo/hifo and so on or it's idependednt project?23:19
DocScrutinizer05it's an independent project, though HiFo even questions that23:20
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DocScrutinizer05one fool bashing me in conversations with others for stating that Neo900 is NOT related to maemo or council or HiFo, while other fool publicly argues Neo900 could create legal impact to HiFo. Oh My GOD23:21
DocScrutinizer05the one fool blaming me in same conversation for allegedly keeping the Neo900 company as a secret, while on other channels I get bashing for disclosing too many facts beforehand of that company to get founded soon23:24
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DocScrutinizer05too much of a kindergarden full of crying envy kids23:25
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andre__mentioning "no closed channels" is funny when hiding discussions and work in ##maemo-admin...23:49
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DocScrutinizer05##maemo-admin is THE channel for ALL techstaff to communicate *in the open* of techstaff crew23:55
DocScrutinizer05not only techstaff but even council and yes even HiFo23:56
DocScrutinizer05you can't expect security threats getting discussed and defeated in #maemo, eh?23:57
DocScrutinizer05we even have community visitors there, e.g. Pali23:58 is an alternative "open" channel which you refused to deal with. A pity23:58
DocScrutinizer05anyway, when you got criticism, I hope you also have suggestions. Come up with them! how to do it better? I'm listening23:59

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