IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-02-14

hxkafreemangordon: wow, pr1.1 in 201400:01
hxkaI didn't even think it was possible00:01
freemangordonhxka: well, we don't know the real PR the device was on, but just in case it is better to do a full rootfs flash00:03
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hxkaThe truth is, version of osso-core-config/ which installation triggers the update of hostname, hasn't changed since than00:10
hxkaSo if he updated via SSU instead of reflashing, he would have Nokia-N900-51-1 hastname even on PR1.3.100:11
hxkaBut yeah, flashing only rootfs is unsafe00:12
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honestlyhxka: freemangordon: I did have the CSSU...00:15
hxkaNo, SSU is how Nokia called OTA udates00:16
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honestlyhxka: doesn't having the CSSU imply being on the newest firmware?00:22
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hxkaPretty much00:24
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keriono wait what's the rfc01:24
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.01:24
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Gh0stynice :p01:51
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MaxdamantusHmm .. so how do you make the N900 charge .. if you're an OS?04:02
Maxdamantusloading the bq2415x_charger module causes the orange light to go on, but it doesn't pulsate, and bq27200-0/status says "Discharging"04:03
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Maxdamantusah, apparently you need to do some stuff with i2c04:05
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Maxdamantusactually, reloading teh module seems to indicate it's already charging.04:14
Maxdamantusthe battery module.04:14
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ShadowJKi2c stuff is when you dont have modules07:31
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SaiFuoops .. sorry12:43
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Vrm1Hello, anybody here knows why you can not find wifi network,  i re-install osso-wlan, but even then not scan network, to be seen of the new network ...14:07
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DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: charging gets either handled by bme (usual common way how it's done in fremantle), or you try to use Pali's bme-replacement (though I guess it's still not ready for prime time)15:05
MaxdamantusI was actually in a shell/etc in the 3.14-rc1 n900 branch, and didn't have a full Maemo running.15:08
Maxdamantusit was apparently not actually charging—when I rebooted back into 2.6.28/Maemo I noticed my battery was on 0.4%15:09
Maxdamantusthere were two battery modules .. one said status=Charging, the other said status=Discharging .. not sure what the Charging one would've referred to then.15:11
Maxdamantusmaybe the battery that makes it remember the time when the other battery's removed.15:11
Maxdamantusbq27x00_battery vs. rx51_battery .. /me Googles.15:12
merlin1991Maxdamantus: I'd read the bme replacement thread on tmo15:12
merlin1991but iirc rx51_battery is the module that reports data from the battery and is not directly related to charging15:13
DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: nope, the bupbat is not monitored at all15:15
merlin1991yeah rx51_battery only gives information like capacity temperature ...15:16
DocScrutinizer05generally you should not try to mess with batery charging unless you know what you're doing. it's a quite fundamental function in fremantle and you can't just toss some kernel modules at it and hope it starts charging15:17
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DocScrutinizer05fremantle stock has _no_ kernel modules for all that15:18
DocScrutinizer05bme talking to bq27200 (battery gauge) and bq24150 (USB battery charger) directly via I2C15:19
MaxdamantusDo similar devices normally work that way—where the software has to actually make the charger do something?15:21
DocScrutinizer05any "battery module" reporting charge is supposed to either use similar direct i2c method (like e.g bq27k-detail2 and is doing), or - the stock one - is made so it asks bme about battery status (via some indirections), or some are using a kernel module like bq27x00_battery that then does the i2c chat to the chip, but also breaks bme trying to do same thing15:21
Maxdamantusit seems like it would be advantageous in a few situations, but Nokia didn't provide the ability to have it plugged into USB without charging, did they?15:22
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DocScrutinizer05I can't see why anybody would want to plug USB without starting to charge battery15:23
Maxdamantusif you wanted to connect it to a laptop for data purposes, but didn't want to drain the laptop's battery.15:23
DocScrutinizer05however when you want to do that, the solution is pretty easy:15:23
DocScrutinizer05stop bme15:23
troulouliou_devhi is it possible when securing the device; to prevent the "switch off" option when touching the upper surface of the screen15:24
troulouliou_devi always finish with a switched off device in my pocket ...15:24
wndif you always lock/secure the device, perhaps you should enable autolock15:26
DocScrutinizer05I don't get it15:27
wndhmm. neither do I. settings/device lock doesn't have an option to "secure" the device as soon as the touch screen is locked/disabled.15:28
wndnevermind then15:28
DocScrutinizer05when you're talking about powerbutton-menu - I guess there must be a way to configure what menu entries are(n't) offered on that menu15:28
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DocScrutinizer05googling for something like 2customizing powerbutton menu" should give you a general direction where to find the solution15:29
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: googling for something like "customizing powerbutton menu" should give you a general direction where to find the solution15:29
* DocScrutinizer05 anyway always just uses slider lockswitch instead of powerbutton menu15:30
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troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, i mean when the device is secure15:32
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, you can touch the screen15:32
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, and it display a dialog "Do you want to shut down the device YES/NO"15:32
troulouliou_devi want to disable that option15:32
wndoh, I get it now too. that's awful.15:32
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I dunno since I never use device lockcode15:32
troulouliou_devha ok15:33
troulouliou_deveach time my child play wit the phone it is switch off cause of this15:33
troulouliou_devsomtimes in the pocket too15:33
troulouliou_devthats boting15:33
* Maxdamantus hasn't either.15:33
DocScrutinizer05if lockcode entry screen has an option to shutdown device, that's for sure something that should get fixed15:33
* Maxdamantus would probably just make up his own unlocking mechanism if he wanted to use one.15:34
Maxdamantusif it's just a code, presumably someone can see what you're meant to do over your shoulder.15:34
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05,  press power button -> secure device -> touch the screen above the virtual keyboard15:34
DocScrutinizer05unlock entry screen is closed, but I guess it's easy to patch it so it can't shut down the device anymore15:34
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, and the dialog appear; press on yes by accident and the device is shut down15:35
DocScrutinizer05that's for sure some dbus message - probably to dsme15:35
DocScrutinizer05or to mce15:35
DocScrutinizer05you probably can configure dbus so it doesn't allow that particular message15:36
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, so filtering it will be easier then re/patching you think ?15:36
DocScrutinizer05or you patch the according binary so the dbus message receiver addr is just one incorrect char, like instead of and you're done15:37
DocScrutinizer05rather, patch the name of the method15:37
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, ok easy15:38
DocScrutinizer05com/nokia/dsme/shutdown to com/nokia/dsme/shutdont15:38
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, is there a way to disable / move the desktop settings button that appear when clicking on usued desktop space ?15:39
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, when child play like 5 in with my n900 all widgets are deleteed/moved ...15:39
DocScrutinizer05yes, but it's much harder15:39
DocScrutinizer05ooh, wait15:39
DocScrutinizer05you can block that desktop editing iirc, in tweakr15:40
DocScrutinizer05there's definitely a way to lock that, at least in MHD15:40
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, MHD ?15:40
DocScrutinizer05modified hildon desktop - what you get with cssu anyway15:40
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, ok it is installed by default when enabling cssu ?15:41
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, ok thabnks i don't have tweakr installed in fact ; installing atm thanks15:42
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DocScrutinizer05tweakr doesn't do it. I just checked15:44
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Vrm1Hi, could anyone advise why not find wifi? Here is my screen
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, ok15:48
jogaVrm1, perhaps no wifi near? sometimes it may help to put the device to offline mode and back15:50
DocScrutinizer05troulouliou_dev: gconftool -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions15:50
DocScrutinizer05 disable_edit = false15:50
DocScrutinizer05now, for me. Will try "true"15:50
Vrm1networks, there is enough, just the applet does not turn a nescanuje, it's a dumb, like airmon and airodump finds the net ..15:52
DocScrutinizer05troulouliou_dev: enter this command:15:52
DocScrutinizer05gconftool -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/disable_edit -t bool true15:52
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, nice big thanks15:54
DocScrutinizer05the gear icon still shows up when you touch the desktop background, but it doesn't do anything anymore15:55
wndI just love switches, flags and options that have negation in the name ;-)15:55
DocScrutinizer05btw you maybe need to restart hildon-desktop for this gconf switch to take effect15:56
DocScrutinizer05wnd: ack15:56
DocScrutinizer05Bits, walking backwards15:56
DocScrutinizer05brits even15:56
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, for the shutdown dbus tweak ; best way without scratchbox is to ssh / detectr process - bin location / find strings / edit in offline mode and update the bin15:57
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DocScrutinizer05err, yes. prolly15:57
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DocScrutinizer05I never looked into that device unlock screen and how it works15:58
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troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, guess it is a dialog box from MHD15:59
DocScrutinizer05probably not. But I'm not sure15:59
DocScrutinizer05device lock is not genuine task of HD16:00
DocScrutinizer05it's probably rather some weird type of "app"16:00
DocScrutinizer05and since it's closed source (I'm rather sure about that part) it can't be in HD since that's open16:01
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, HD is open ? nokia released the source code for it ?16:01
troulouliou_devi tought it was a big blob16:01
DocScrutinizer05what do you guess where from you get MHD? ;-)16:01
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troulouliou_deva big reverse engineering work on it by all the geeks around here :)16:02
DocScrutinizer05actually nope16:02
hxkaIt's mce, probably16:02
DocScrutinizer05HD is open16:02
DocScrutinizer05mce has no GUI16:03
Vrm1joga> networks, there is enough, just the applet does not turn and seek, it's a dumb, like airmon and airodump finds the net ..16:03
Vrm1joga> It works off the network just after rebooting the phone, I saved one network and the connection automatically, but then it does not let you choose another network16:03
jogaVrm1, you said your keyb backlight also stopped working?16:05
DocScrutinizer05since there are so many possible points of failure, and no known solution to this problem yet, probably your best option is to reflash and then step by step configure your device like it#s configured now, while after every step checking if the error got introduced by last step16:06
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Vrm1joga> yes, backlight also nothing, taking out the battery did not work16:06
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jogathat sounds pretty strange..16:07
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Vrm1joga> I found one forum for advice, or purge unit ..16:08
jogaI guess that's what reflashing essentially does16:08
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, gconf trick works thanks !!16:08
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DocScrutinizer05troulouliou_dev: just in case: to re-eanble it, use "false" instead of 2true" in that gconftool cmd16:10
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, figured that out :)16:10
DocScrutinizer05thought as much :-d16:10
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, btw any news from the neo900 front ?16:10
DocScrutinizer05much trouble with organization16:11
DocScrutinizer05I'm EE, not a business clerk16:11
troulouliou_devha still that mess ;(16:11
DocScrutinizer05yes, and it starts killing me16:12
troulouliou_devi remember those discussions a few month back16:12
Vrm1joga> I wanted to somehow avoid the reflash, I have enough configured :)16:12
DocScrutinizer05Vrm1: yes, and one of those configs is the one messing up stuff for you16:12
jogaVrm1, well, could be that some of that configuring actually caused it :)16:12
DocScrutinizer05since there are so many possible points of failure, and no known solution to this problem yet, probably your best option is to reflash and then step by step configure your device like it#s configured now, while after every step checking if the error got introduced by last step16:13
DocScrutinizer05*we* don't kow *your* config16:14
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Vrm1joga> Well, the last time it was just a long time, I only terminal in sshd and configure perl, the N900 is connected python, that perhaps I did not do anything.16:14
* DocScrutinizer05 tries parsing that16:15
hxkatroulouliou_dev: From mce's manpage: After this it will check if the user should be asked to enter the device lock code, and if so, the lock dialog osso-systemui-devlock will be started.16:16
hxkaSo it's osso-systemui-devlock16:16
DocScrutinizer05look, you might *for example* have enabled cssu-devel repo, and recently some package got uploaded to that broken-by-definition repo and thus you unsolicited updated the binary and broke stuff16:17
DocScrutinizer05osso-systemui-devlock, that's it16:17
DocScrutinizer05hxka: where the heck did you find a mce manpage?16:18
hxkaDocScrutinizer05: in mce package from Nokia's repos16:18
DocScrutinizer05hah, all hail to docpurge16:19
troulouliou_devhxka, thanks16:19
* DocScrutinizer05 is happy to have nuked docpurge recently, at last16:19
hxkaOh, I love docpurge16:19
hxkaI especially love it when it conflicts with meamo-optify16:20
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DocScrutinizer05F U docpurge16:22
DocScrutinizer05honestly, my first linux system had enough manpages to keep me reading for a week or more, yet the *whole* system lived on a 55MB HDD16:24
hxkagrep com. /usr/lib/systemui/libsystemuiplugin_devlock.so16:25
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at that 22MB locale.cache file16:25
hxkaApparently, it doesn't power off the device via dbus16:25
DocScrutinizer05hxka: it talks to mce, like you already found out16:26
hxkaOr it does, but through some common library, which is used by something else16:26
DocScrutinizer05it of course might just do a system("dsmetool --shutdown") or whatever16:27
DocScrutinizer05I suggest to first run that osso-systemui-devlock under strace, logging to a file16:28
DocScrutinizer05so you know for sure what it is that you want to patch16:28
Vrm1joga> Well, stupid network that does not find it, I'm going to do the reflash ..16:28
jogagood luck16:28
Vrm1bye :)16:28
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if Vrm1 confused a #channel with a /query, or just has issued a /ignore +* -joga16:30
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, running from strace under a ssh term or using scratchbox env16:31
DocScrutinizer05whatever you prefer ;-)16:31
DocScrutinizer05I'd probably place a strace wrapper shellscript in place of original osso-systemui-devlock16:32
hxkaIt's a library16:32
DocScrutinizer05friggin mess16:32
DocScrutinizer05who's calling that lib then?16:32
troulouliou_devstrace -e -e trace=open is enough btw i think16:33
troulouliou_devstrace -e trace=open16:34
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DocScrutinizer05 /home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives/osso-systemui-devlock_0.2.1.2+0m5_armel.deb16:35
DocScrutinizer05   closed blob, like I suspected16:37
DocScrutinizer05also a nice exacple of maemo's dependency mess16:37
DocScrutinizer05example even16:38
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troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, after apt-get update i have this package : mp-fremantle-generic-pr  in the "kept back" list16:39
troulouliou_devis it normal ?16:39
DocScrutinizer05when you got cssu installed, then generic isn't used anymore16:40
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troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, sorry i mistyped : mp-fremantle-community-pr16:40
DocScrutinizer05shouldn't, prolly16:40
hxkatroulouliou_dev: What does apt-get -s install mp-fremantle-community-pr say?16:41
troulouliou_devhxka, just install it :)16:41
troulouliou_devhxka, guess something behind the odd or in apt confs don't want to install it by default16:42
DocScrutinizer05troulouliou_dev: please don't give wrong advice16:42
troulouliou_devhxka, i installed cssu on the old pwnie express rom with weaponised script above and tons of personnal mess/script ...16:43
troulouliou_devi hope to find some time one day to reinstall it properly16:43
DocScrutinizer05when cssu MP isn't installed or got deinstalled or locked or whatever, then there's some problem that needs get fixed16:43
DocScrutinizer05you messed up your system and installing cssu MP via apt-get probably will mess it up even further16:44
troulouliou_devDocScrutinizer05, still works like healthy baby with a never ending flu :)16:45
troulouliou_devthanks guys have to go16:46
DocScrutinizer05me too16:46
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hxkaDocScrutinizer05: no, it happened to me a few times without any problems16:46
DocScrutinizer05that's a paradox statement16:46
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DocScrutinizer05cssu MP not getting updates already *is* a problem16:47
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DocScrutinizer05and when installing CSSU properly would be just a matter of apt-get install mp-fremantle-cssu-pr, then why would we go through that hassle to have a pretty annoyingly complex installer for CSSU?16:49
DocScrutinizer05MP is known to break when you install stuff like e.g. procps16:50
hxkaNo, when a newer version of package depends on something current version doen't depend on, apt-get update won't update it, and it's not a problem16:50
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DocScrutinizer05but then when you install MP, that conflicting package gets nuked16:50
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DocScrutinizer05hxka: then how do you think CSSU updates are supposed to work?16:51
DocScrutinizer05I meant: there's a reason why CSSU says "USE HAM!"16:53
hxkaaiui they are supposed to be updated via HAM16:53
hxkaWhich does the analogue of 'apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr', not 'apt-get update'16:54
DocScrutinizer05yes, but that's not hardcoded to HAM16:54
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DocScrutinizer05and s/update/upgrade/16:55
DocScrutinizer05apt-get upgrade is deprecated16:55
DocScrutinizer05for exactly this reason16:55
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DocScrutinizer05whole fremantle is just a huuuge metapackage. You don't want to update any package to a version that's not a dependency of mp-fremantle-*-pr17:00
DocScrutinizer05and apt-get upgrade would do exactly this, possibly breaking your system17:01
DocScrutinizer05fremantle is no rolling release17:01
DocScrutinizer05particularly in cssu you *might* run into packages that will break the system when updated without matching other tweaks to the system, yet those packages have no appropriate dependencies to make sure those other tweaks are actually getting done when you would install via apt-get upgrade17:06
DocScrutinizer05the dependencies are inplicit via MP17:07
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DocScrutinizer05when you were venturous (==silly) enough to permanently enable stuff like cssu-devel or other exotic repos, you definitely *will* run into such situation17:09
DocScrutinizer05and a disabled / held-back mp-fremantle-community-pr might be an indication you already _did_17:10
DocScrutinizer05even extras-devel occasionally had a package that nuked everybody's system on apt-get upgrade17:14
DocScrutinizer05last one been sth about X11 iirc17:14
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DocScrutinizer05also seen eventually: incompatible qt as well as glibc libs17:15
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DocScrutinizer05so, returning to origin of this dia(rather mono)log: when apt-get install throws any error/warning - particularly about mp-fremantle-*-pr, it's probably best idea and practice to fire up HAM and check for pending updates, rather that force-installing something via apt-get to "fix" stuff17:19
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hxkaI doubt HAM will do any different that apt-get install mp-*17:20
hxkaIn such situation, I mean17:21
hxkaIf there IS some problem and not some new dependencies, if won't do anything, but so will apt17:22
infobothxka meant: If there IS some problem and not some new dependencies, it won't do anything, but so will apt17:23
DocScrutinizer05hxka: not different, but maybe more17:25
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hxkaDocScrutinizer05: that's a paradox statement ;)17:28
freemangordonhxka: HAM/apt-worker keeps a list of installed packages+domains17:29
DocScrutinizer05different: B instead of A.  more: B additional to A17:30
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DocScrutinizer05of course you can emulate HAM completely on cmdline, using apt-get and other tools. but only when you *really* know your stuff17:33
DocScrutinizer05and >><troulouliou_dev> DocScrutinizer05, after apt-get update i have this package : mp-fremantle-generic-pr  in the "kept back" list << sugests there already *is* some problem17:34
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Superpelican_silviof: Your vagrant-n900-sdk bootstrap script doesn't work on my system (openSUSE 13.1 KDE 64 bit)18:17
Superpelican_silviof: NVM18:18
Superpelican_I overlooked the root password question LOL18:18
Superpelican_silviof: Entered the root password18:19
Superpelican_silviof: but the script seems to be Debian/Ubuntu only, it seems to use apt-get18:19
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DocScrutinizer05hey, where's the THANKS button?19:01
DocScrutinizer05this guy at least needs some supporting19:03
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: this is the first message
DocScrutinizer05and actually: where IS Linus in all that?19:03
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, LKML is open, send a mail there :)19:04
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DocScrutinizer05I probably would when there was a simple interface to answer to that thread (as opposed to sending an unlinked orphaned rant mail to some email-addr)19:16
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DocScrutinizer05this guy is so to the point. Lennart and friends are actually trying to turn linux into something new and different that's much inspired by the way windows works, and when I say "windows" I don't mean anything but the desktop OS, no server or anything, no phone OS, no CE19:24
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DocScrutinizer05compatibility to older versions of same OS (linux), to other UNIXes, to non-desktop hw platforms? forget it, not relevant to Mr Lennart Poettering19:26
DocScrutinizer05en passant breaking a bazillion apps whose authors or maintainers had to patch and update their stuff to accommodate what Lennart thinks is needed now... NO PROBLEM at all!19:28
DocScrutinizer05I only wish I had bookmarked Lennart's idiotic explanation why we don't need /usr nowadays19:29
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DocScrutinizer05it gives away Lennart's rotten mindset in one single statement put by himself19:30
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infobotit has been said that freee is
infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''19:37
DocScrutinizer05I'm fed up with some infantile douchebag with a neurosis about his image hijacking linux to pose and try to dominate the world19:39
thedead1440so back to the OP's point; where is Linus in all this?19:42
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DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly19:47
DocScrutinizer05I think we should join forces. seems ther are enough people to outweigh Poettering and the redhat steering group or whatever it is that powers lennart19:49
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thedead1440unless Linus too kinda agrees with poettering :eek:19:56
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silviofSuperpelican_: hi, hmm - vagrant is os independend. the bootstrap script is executed in the vm which is downloaded from vagrant.20:44
silviofSuperpelican_: On which part failed the vagrant script? I have tested on win 7, ubuntu and archlinux20:45
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Superpelican_Why am I getting Permission Denied when running /scratchbox/login ?21:51
Superpelican_(completely new to sbox/Maemo SDK)21:51
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FIQdid you add yourself to the scratchbox group?22:06
FIQand made sure to relogin for changes to apply?22:06
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Superpelican_FIQ: yes22:09
Superpelican_I'm a member of sbox22:09
Superpelican_although I didn't relogin22:09
Superpelican_I'll do that first ;)22:09
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FIQyou need to relogin for group alterations to apply, this is always the case in unix22:12
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Superpelican_FIQ: Thanks a lot that worked :)22:13
Superpelican_FIQ: I can really be an idiot from time to time ;)22:14
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FIQfyi, you need to relogin for group alterations to apply, this is always the case in unix22:14
Superpelican_I know22:14
Superpelican_but I just didn't think of it ;)22:14
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Superpelican_FIQ: Is the host_usr dir supposed to give you access to the host's dirs?22:18
Superpelican_FIQ: It doesn't seem to work22:18
FIQSuperpelican_: sorry, I have no experience with the sdk22:19
Superpelican_it only shows "README bin"22:19
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Superpelican_hmm apparently it isn't meant to point to the host's dir structure22:19
FIQthe reason I could assist with the above is that I know there's a dedicated group you need to be in, and permission denied is in 99% of the cases related to you not being in said group22:19
FIQso I can't help otherwise, sorry :p22:20
Superpelican_the README says host_usr is for compiling things using the host's gcc22:20
Superpelican_FIQ: Is it safe to copy a file from a host dir into the chroot's dirs?22:21
Superpelican_Or will that result in a corrupted chroot?22:21
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Superpelican_nvm, just did it ;)22:23
Superpelican_it still seems to be working22:23
Superpelican_so let's hope it stays that way :)22:23
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Superpelican_freemangordon: I did "dpkg-source -x kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52.dsc" in the scratchbox chroot (it's using the armel target)22:33
Superpelican_It said it has applied the patches22:33
Superpelican_however when I went to drivers/mmc/host there were no omap source code files22:33
Superpelican_the source tree that I had extracted from did have all those omap source code files22:35
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