IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2014-02-05

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hxkaWhen I press Ctrl+Shift+P, what component of makes a screenshot?00:11
hxkas/of/of maemo/00:11
infobothxka meant: When I press Ctrl+Shift+P, what component of maemo makes a screenshot?00:11
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hxkaWhy is there link to some spam on the front page of anyway?
hxkaOh, I see.
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sixwheeledbeastWell I thought it was h-d, but I could be wrong00:47
sixwheeledbeastit seems h-d uses CPU when a screenshot is taken.00:48
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mlwaneHello folks01:00
mlwaneI have a quick question..01:00
mlwaneI have been trying to flash a Nokia N810, but I cannot seem to find a valid link for the flasher file for linux and the firmware for the device01:02
mlwaneI would appreciate anyone's help01:03
DocScrutinizer05Nokia shut down the website where those files were available01:06
sixwheeledbeastsearch google with the exact filename may get a hit.01:06
andre__ once upon a time was the canonical page01:06
andre__probably outdated now01:06
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DocScrutinizer05well, outdated in the sense of "Nokia changed stuff"01:07
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andre__...which makes the instructions outdated.01:08
DocScrutinizer05andre__: then please suggest an up-to-date version01:09
mlwaneYes, but if could get the files, wouldn't I be able to carry on with the instructions?01:09
andre__I mentioned it's outdated. That doesn't require me to suggest an updated version.01:09
andre__mlwane, that's true01:10
DocScrutinizer05andre__: thanks! very helpful comment indeed01:10
andre__DocScrutinizer, yeah, no idea what your problem is either.01:10
sixwheeledbeastinstructions are not outdated.  they have recently been updated infact.01:10
mlwaneI tried looking through the posts at TMO, but all the links I found were dead01:11
sixwheeledbeast"If  does not work ... use google with the file names below to find better download locations."01:11
DocScrutinizer05sounds pretty up-to-date01:12
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DocScrutinizer05so, maybe it's clear now what's "my problem"01:13
andre__Awesome. Then my answer was even perfectly correct, and it's not outdated. Happy to hear that.01:13
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andre__How can I get rid of the spam sent to ?01:15
andre__Please unsubscribe me. kthxbye.01:15
DocScrutinizer05maintainers are in techstaff alias. Step down as maintainer and you'll get removed01:15
andre__I hereby step down.01:16
DocScrutinizer05per mail to council please01:17
andre__From what do I step down again?01:18
andre__maintainer of what?01:18
andre__hard to say if I don't know why I was added.01:18
DocScrutinizer05bmo obviously?01:18
andre__never been a technical maintainer of that.01:19
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DocScrutinizer05whatever "technical2 means01:19
andre__only admin.01:19
andre__hence useless anyway.01:19
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DocScrutinizer05we don't use the term "admin"01:19
DocScrutinizer05we got sysops and maintainers01:20
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andre__Bugzilla calls it admin. I don't care too much what Maemo folks call it.01:20
DocScrutinizer05sysops have root access to the system they are sysop of01:20
andre__cool. Never been, never wanted.01:20
andre__Hence please unsubscribe me.01:20
DocScrutinizer05step down from "admin" and you get removed01:21
DocScrutinizer05simple as that01:21
povbot_Bug 12725: Screenshot saving path is hardcoded01:21
sixwheeledbeastit certainly would be handy to save screenshots to uSD01:24
sixwheeledbeastor even somewhere easily accessible, not a hidden subfolder01:25
arceanactually it's: g_strdup_printf ("%s/.images/Screenshots", getenv("MYDOCSDIR"));01:42
hxkaIt should be g_strdup_printf ("%s/Screenshots", getenv("XDG_PICTURES_DIR")); then01:44
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hxkaLooks like h-d ignores user-dirs.dirs, so this have to be fixed first01:50
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mlwaneOkay, after a bit of Googling I have managed to find a all the files needed to flash the Nokia N810. I am just posting the link here for future reference. <>01:54
hxkaI'm also remember not having user-dirs.dirs after flashing and | don't know what creates it, so there might be problems01:58
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DocScrutinizer05user-dirs.dirs - hmm, maybe it's just getting installed during flashing?03:33
hxkaMy memory may be unreliable, but I remember not having it after first boot03:38
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hxkaI mounted rootfs.jffs2, and there is no user-dirs.dirs03:52
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hxkaAnd /opt/lib/, /usr/lib/, /usr/lib/, and /usr/lib/microb-engine/ are the only binary files that contain string "user-dirs.dirs"04:03
hxkaSo it must be something that use those libs that creates it04:03
hxkaMaybe even h-d :)04:03
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MaxdamantusSo does anyone have a backup of for if/when it goes down?06:39
bef0rdthat site is handled by the community already06:40
MaxdamantusAh, okay.06:40
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bef0rdand when I say 'community', I mean the community council people which is doing all the work to handle the maemo infrastructure06:45
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SAiFI cannot initialize ssh from my pc to maemo.  if I ssh from maemo to pc, then I can connect from pc to maemo.07:22
SAiFIs it somehow because ssh is not running by default on maemo or something like that?07:22
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SAiFand I did the dumpest thing one could do... I deleted the user account. and Xterminal collapsed..07:42
SAiFnow even after I added user , xterminal is not working..07:43
SAiFI can ssh into it now. and can add account "user"..07:44
SAiFactually added user..07:45
DocScrutinizer05so what?07:45
SAiFI deleted user and xterm collapsed.. so07:45
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SAiFDoc, you meant restart.. right.. It is working after a restart..07:53
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infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is
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hxkaSAiF: I might be something to do with wi-fi energy saving options10:26
hxkaiirc one of them makes it so only n900 can establish connections10:26
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zGrrmoin :)10:58
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DocScrutinizer05err nope, I'm establishing inbound ssh session to N900 since 5 years11:19
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DocScrutinizer05and before to N81011:20
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DocScrutinizer05but "deleting user" isn't a nice idea. Depending on how you "deleted" it you will lose various amount of data. starting with assigned user numerical id when you only removed the etc/passwd entry, to the complete ~user/ aka /home/user/* data11:22
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DocScrutinizer05~ $ id11:23
DocScrutinizer05uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users)11:23
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wndwifi power saving most definitely doesn't prevent you from connecting to/from n900, but occasionally it does make it painful to /use/ the connection (to n900)11:25
DocScrutinizer05no it doesn't11:25
DocScrutinizer05yes, it can cause lags11:26
DocScrutinizer05or even packet loss or stall of connection11:26
DocScrutinizer05~ $ stat ~11:26
DocScrutinizer05  File: "/home/user"11:26
DocScrutinizer05  Size: 4096            Blocks: 8          IO Block: 4096   directory11:26
DocScrutinizer05Device: b30ah/45834d    Inode: 8193        Links: 6711:26
DocScrutinizer05Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (29999/    user)   Gid: (29999/   users)11:26
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DocScrutinizer05when you delete and recreate "user", it might get created with different numerical user ID and thus can't access ~user/ anymore since that is 2999911:27
DocScrutinizer05and some apps even have that 29999 hardcoded I guess11:28
DocScrutinizer05at least some scripts might11:28
DocScrutinizer05pain with wifi powersaving usually gets cured by selecting "low" or "none" for PS11:29
DocScrutinizer05or - better - by using a decent AP11:29
DocScrutinizer05while my D-Link had exactly those massive lags in shell, my "new" Linksys DDwrt works flawlessly with N90011:31
jaskamy ancient wrt54gl with tomato seems to work well with it too11:32
DocScrutinizer05that's exactly my "new" Linksys ;-)11:33
jaskathe zyxels at office less so.. but theyre pure shit anyway11:33
DocScrutinizer05zyxel is da shite11:33
jaskai had to make a script to reboot them every morning at 6 :)11:34
DocScrutinizer05a pity! they been really good when 9600baud modems been the hottest stuff around11:34
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DocScrutinizer05eventually they seem to have hired engineers who were eager to violate all recommendations of RFC-BEHAVE-UDP11:36
DocScrutinizer05full cone NAT and dunno what11:37
DocScrutinizer05fux0red SIP-ALG11:37
DocScrutinizer05broken WLAN security11:38
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DocScrutinizer05I had to give the engineers a phonecall to learn how to manage that brick in a way so it *somewhat* worked11:39
DocScrutinizer05learned some "sekrit" telnet voodoo incantations11:40
DocScrutinizer05still a massive PITA of almost all NATs: even when you do a port forward extern(5060)->intern(5060) that does NOT mean that your intern PC creating a connection from port5060 to a SIP server port 5060 goes thru that pinhole in NAT. The SIP server will still see your connection coming from a random port in the upper nnnnn port range11:43
jaskathey also have more than one remote root hole in some of their aps11:46
DocScrutinizer05btw Draytek Vigor isn't much better than ZyXEL11:47
DocScrutinizer05FritzBox is (too) simple but at least works11:49
DocScrutinizer05might be better via telnet/ssh for those FB you actually can install a telnet or sshd to11:50
DocScrutinizer05I can't even shut down the SIP service on "mine" - so port5060 "isn't available" for pinholing11:51
jaskai had a free fritz from the isp but i didnt find it very useful as i didnt want it to nat anything... just bridge on the lan11:52
DocScrutinizer05lucky enough my provider works just fine with port forwards for 5062-5080 and 10000-10050, on both cascaded NAT, for even 4 SIP clients I run here11:52
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DocScrutinizer05jaska: EEEK, you expose your LAN to the wider public of your city?11:53
jaskamy home lan? yes. assuming they have the wpa2psk key11:54
jaskathere are a bunch of open wlans in my neighborhood anyway, so im not the low-hanging fruit11:54
DocScrutinizer05with some cable providers here in Germany you allow much fun for other clients on same DSLAM11:55
jaskathe fiber connection is firewalled by another linux box11:55
jaskaand i am alone in my fiber segment :)11:55
DocScrutinizer05real fun when somebody found out they send all traffic to all client DSL modems on one DSLAM11:56
jaskasounds borked11:56
DocScrutinizer05well, you are also *supposed* to be alone on your DSL segment11:56
DocScrutinizer05indeed, very borked11:57
DocScrutinizer05afaik on the TV cable internet they use encryption so you can't read traffic meant for other destination IPs even when you switch the modem-router to promiscuous mode11:59
DocScrutinizer05on DSL they evidently don't11:59
DocScrutinizer05so on some DSL providers you have a *really* huge "LAN" when you don't use NAT12:00
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DocScrutinizer05rather: when you use a simple modem12:02
Hurrian...what ISP-issued modem isn't shit?12:03
DocScrutinizer05ok, your local ethernet switch may help - unless you use a hub (which is a device I really seek for)12:03
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: I don't know any provider that issues modems12:04
DocScrutinizer05modems are so.... 2000ish12:04
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: my ISP issued me a Zyxel modem - it was damn good reliable, a few years later they sent out free wifi+modem combo routers, those are ass.12:05
Gh0styas usual :p12:05
Hurriani'm in a third world backwater so yeah, ADSL2+ is still the hottest shit in town12:05
DocScrutinizer05well, here you can get VDSL when you're lucky12:06
DocScrutinizer05but still... a *real* modem?12:06
DocScrutinizer05with USB connection to the PC?12:06
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: ethernet ;)12:07
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Hurrianluckily, my house is a 30 second walk from the DSLAM, so I could probably get VDSL if my ISP never finishes the fiber rollout to our area12:08
DocScrutinizer05hmm, the ethernet ones are already less prone to expanding your LAN to dunno how far, when I think about it12:08
Hurrianit's a single-port affair - I have it hooked up to a router running Tomato for WiFi and firewall stuff.12:09
DocScrutinizer05fiber, nobody can and wants to pay for that in Germany. You'd need to turn whole Germany into a construction site to bury the fibers12:10
Hurrianwell, my ISP is rolling out fiber and they didn't bury the fiber :P12:10
Hurrianpower lines are on poles here! :D12:10
DocScrutinizer05yeah, the benefit of crappy infra12:11
fizzieOur ISP keeps switching modems faster than some people switch socks; they did go from a horrible ZTE thing that I got to some ZyXEL unit I heard good words about, and judging from the forums they've gone again to something else.12:11
Hurrianmy ISP already has fiber in my area - there's a fiber cable right outside my room, and what is presumably a splitter on a pole (GPON, iirc).12:11
Hurriani've seen the contractors testing it, it's lighted up12:12
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Hurriani've called them up around 20 times over the past 2 months, and they're still not offering it in my business area :(12:12
DocScrutinizer05that stuff often takes years from hardware infra rollout and tests to finally offering a service12:13
DocScrutinizer05around 2000 the company I been working for had a 2Mb duplex sym fiber, which been a real project to get into the house and costs around 1000EUR/month12:15
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DocScrutinizer05pretty funny since DSL with 512kb down and 128kb up been around 40 bucks same time12:17
Hurrianlemme guess, leased line?12:17
DocScrutinizer05and I think DSL even offered 1Mb/128kb for around same pricetag already12:19
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, upstream reached 1Mb much later12:20
Hurrian...DSL speeds here only upgraded this year, after around 10 years of the same price/speeds, sadly12:21
DocScrutinizer05"here" is where?12:22
Hurrianiirc it was 512kb/128kb, then 1mb/512kb, now it's 2mb/768kb for the equivalent of US$2512:22
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: the Philippines12:22
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Hurrianmost of the stagnancy's from the best ISP being almost a monopoly - they own the #1 mobile provider, bought the #2, and own the best (price/speed/customer service) ISP.12:25
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Hurrianthe ISP in second place is pretty much the only other company to have cable stations going out of the country, and they're expensive and slow, unfortunately.12:26
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zGrrsomehow, i don't think that anyone will make accelerated X for the Pi.12:27
zGrror maybe i have mistaken impression from reading the forums.12:28
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MaxdamantusDoes it really require that much effort.12:43
Maxdamantusit seems to me that the lack of things like vaapi and GLX is because they released some basically PoC stuff which was then directly integrated into things like xbmc12:44
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Maxdamantusrather than into another stack, where it's meant to implement a bunch of protocols etc12:44
MaxdamantusI imagine eventually the kernel will be merged into linus' tree too.12:45
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Maxdamantusiirc, I merged it up a few versions to the latest release without any conflicts a while ago.12:48
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Ras_OlderIs this totally wrong place to ask for help when I tried to submit a bug report through to mEveMon project? While submitting I got error message "Artifact: ERROR: syntax error at or near "accounts" LINE 27: if \'accounts\' not in self.config.sections: ^".15:39
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, I fail on reproducing your procedure. URLs would probably help, or even screenshots15:58
DocScrutinizer05generally I don't know of a standard method on garage to submit a bug report15:59
Ras_Older I tried to submit from there and it also gives error about the ssl certificate.16:00
DocScrutinizer05well, please create an exception in your browser about the cert16:01
Ras_OlderI did already.16:02
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I still dunno how you created that bug16:02
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Ras_OlderBy submitting a bug report as I said through that website that I linked :)16:03
DocScrutinizer05sorry, need info16:05
DocScrutinizer05we can't create bugs to check if we can find out what you did, in detail16:06
Ras_OlderSure I can provide you with anything you want :D What do you need then?16:06
DocScrutinizer05please file a ticket against web/garage on bugs.maemo.org16:07
Ras_OlderAlright doing that now then ^^16:07
DocScrutinizer05I already can tell you that we probably have no manpower to look into that issue any time soonish16:08
DocScrutinizer05techstaff is short on maintainers for about everything maemo-infra16:08
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DocScrutinizer05are you sure you're logged in?16:14
DocScrutinizer05 gave me same error you described, until i logged in16:15
DocScrutinizer05I however can't reproduce exactly since I have admin right on garage16:16
DocScrutinizer05so what I see is not what you'll see, no matter if you're logged in or not16:16
DocScrutinizer05just when we both are not logged in, we evidently both see similar stuff16:17
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Ras_OlderI see myself as logged in. When I am not logged into the website I cannot even see the required link for finding that page.16:18
Ras_OlderAnd I can browse through my user page aswell so yes I am logged in.16:19
DocScrutinizer05well, then a screenshot showing exactly what values we shall insert in which fields and on which button/link we shall click so next is error popping up will probably be needed16:20
DocScrutinizer05concluding from error message the project might have no accounts assigned16:26
DocScrutinizer05though it looks normal16:31
DocScrutinizer05well, syntax error seems pretty specific an error message. Though I wonder who might have introduced a typo into something that's supposed to be tested and working since several years16:34
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Ras_OlderI tested this now with Firefox 27 and Internet Explorer 11 and it reproduced with both of them.16:44
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Ras_OlderWhat should I choose as severity for that issue or does it really matter if the techies are busy?16:49
DocScrutinizer05techstaff is not responsible for community contributed apps16:53
DocScrutinizer05so it doesn't matter what the bug ticket says, we need to know how to reproduce the error in garage16:54
Ras_OlderYeah alright submitting this soon now16:54
DocScrutinizer05however we likewise can't create random tickets in random projects and then send a mail to the maintainers of the project and excuse for the noise16:55
DocScrutinizer05so we need precise info how this can get reproduced16:55
DocScrutinizer05and it will not change anything for the mEveMon project, even when we find somebody to assign to this b.m.o ticket about tickets in garage failing16:56
Ras_OlderYeah I do know that.16:57
DocScrutinizer05then I don't understand your question "What should I choose as severity for that issue or does it really matter if the techies are busy?"16:58
Ras_OlderI am just submitting a bug report of an issue of not being able to submit a bug report \:D/ hooray16:58
DocScrutinizer05ooh, for the b.m.o ticket16:58
Ras_OlderYeah exactly.16:58
DocScrutinizer05bug, normal severity16:58
DocScrutinizer05the problem is we have no "techies"17:00
DocScrutinizer05severe showstoppers will get assigned to whoever is available17:01
Ras_Older submitted now if you want to see the screenshots still17:13
povbot_Bug 12726: Cannot submit a bug report17:13
DocScrutinizer05Issued to: *.maemo.org17:16
DocScrutinizer05Issued by: Tech Root CA17:16
DocScrutinizer05aka "self-issued cert"17:16
DocScrutinizer05this is a notification, not an error17:18
DocScrutinizer05(though I wonder why garage has no START cert)17:19
DocScrutinizer05for bugs and wiki it's obvious that we'd need a wildcard cert, but I don't see why garage needs a wildcard17:20
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Ras_Oldera.k.a couldn't afford to get a proper cert :D yeah I know how these work. Just thought to mention it in there aswell. I agree with you that it is more of a notification but to those who aren't so acquainted with security stuff they tend to get spooked about those unnecessarily. Would be more user friendly to have it done the "official" way although it might cost a bit.17:24
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DocScrutinizer05Ras_Older: the mein problem is: we still don't "own" the DNS19:15
DocScrutinizer05so "officially" Nokia had to apply and receive a wildcard cert for *.maemo.org19:16
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* DocScrutinizer05 misses "morse" cmdline binary22:42
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DocScrutinizer05even worse: can't find it in my "recent" backups either, nor on SuSE search22:54
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