IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2014-01-30

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hxkaInstalled debian's one, it has only perl in its dependencies01:53
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hxkaFuck maemo-optify, btw02:14
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ds_shadofcant say since then, but Application Manager so slow. I mean realy SLOW, he spent ages to install 10kb size applications03:56
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Tekk_ds_shadof: yeah, I've noticed that too..04:10
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ds_shadof15-30 minutes for "preparing" and few secs to install04:13
Tekk_ds_shadof: it's really slow to actually be able to do anything too04:14
Tekk_like after you hit "install" it takes ages before you even see categories04:14
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ds_shadofTekk_, good to know i'm not the only one :)04:21
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Tekk_ds_shadof: I honestly thought that it froze the first time04:24
Tekk_before I came here and asked about it. they just told me to wait04:24
chainsawbikethere have been some improvements recently - AFAIK they are working there way through cssu04:25
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DocScrutinizer05Google seels Motorola to Lenovo. BWAHAHAHA06:34
DocScrutinizer05sells, even06:34
DocScrutinizer05ds_shadof: the time HAM needs to prepare the dependencies-tree and list of applications is proportional to the total number of packages in all enabled repos (catalogs). You are NOT supposed to have extras-devel catalog enabled usually, and extras-testing is mutually exclusive with extras-devel.06:37
DocScrutinizer05a little story: ~6 years back my laptop been a cf-25 with only 128MB of RAM. While openoffice worked great once it started (which took ~60s), the YaST package manager took *fourteen hours* to start up, thanks to excessive swapping06:40
DocScrutinizer05package managers need to build up enormous linked lists with all packages and their dependencies, which easily is beaming the whole system into a swap hell when the list exceeds the amount of available RAM06:42
DocScrutinizer05thus: disable all catalogs in HAM that you don't really need right now!06:44
DocScrutinizer05it's still slow with only maemo-extras enabled, but not THAT slow. Will take <5min definitely06:45
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon created a vastly optimized version of HAM with a speedup of factor 100 or sth like that. I hope this jewel will make it into CSSU soon06:46
ds_shadofGAM is frontend to apt-get?06:46
DocScrutinizer05yes, actually to apt-worker06:47
DocScrutinizer05plus it does additional sorting/filtering, thus hiding some packages from user that would be dangerous to install deliberately06:48
ds_shadofbut apt-get work fast. I will disable extras-devel and extras-testing and test HAM06:48
DocScrutinizer05apt-get is evidently doing less than HAM, and what it does is done in a better optimized way06:49
DocScrutinizer05one huge PITA is loading and rendering all the package icons, iirc06:50
DocScrutinizer05which apt is evidently not doing06:50
Tekk_the real check would be aptitude vs ham06:51
Tekk_since aptitude builds the tree06:51
DocScrutinizer05still no icons06:52
DocScrutinizer05and still no package groups like seen in HAM06:52
Tekk_gnome-packagekit? :P06:52
DocScrutinizer05futile effort to find matching competitors to HAM. Rather test freemangordon's speedyHAM06:53
Tekk_I'll look into that06:53
ds_shadofhm i disabled Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates,  CSSU-testing, andextras-devel. HAM is fast like lighting07:04
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DocScrutinizer05lol, I wonder how you were able to disable Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates,07:21
DocScrutinizer05not that it does natter anymore, nothing new will ever come from those channels. They managed to nuke their own signing key07:22
DocScrutinizer05matter, even07:22
DocScrutinizer05you should re-enable them nevertheless, also cssu-testing repo. disabling extras-devel is completely sufficient07:23
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ds_shadofThere is a checkbox to enable or disable repo, Nokia repos has it too08:04
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DocScrutinizer05checkbox should be disabled for Nokia repos afaik08:13
DocScrutinizer05actually they are currently disable-able on my system as well08:15
DocScrutinizer05cssu guys messed a bit with those settings08:15
DocScrutinizer05eventually cssu came with a list of rather weird repos and none of them been even deletable08:17
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DocScrutinizer05ok, maybe I'm mistaken and those Nokia repos always been disable-able, just not deletable08:34
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DocScrutinizer05so it's probably even ok to disable them, unless you run into problems with cssu updates (those *might* depend on packages from nokia repos that are not yet installed)08:36
DocScrutinizer05~seen int-ua08:43
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'int-ua'08:43
DocScrutinizer05~seen int_ua08:43
infobotint_ua <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 5h 57m 47s ago, saying: 'PLEASE HELP! My life could depend on it'.08:43
Tekk_DocScrutinizer05: oh well, too late to do anything new08:44
DocScrutinizer05I already did what I was able to do, 7d ago08:44
* Tekk_ needs to remember to say something similar if he ever goes on an extended vacation08:44
DocScrutinizer05I planned to do more now, and I'm concerned about int_ua08:45
Tekk_oh, it was serious?08:45
DocScrutinizer05yes, definitely08:45
DocScrutinizer05Ukraina, Maidan08:46
Tekk_yeah, that may not go so well :/08:46
Tekk_I'll keep an eye out08:46
DocScrutinizer05it's kinda "official" that Janucovic and police cooperate with (or *are*) the local mafia08:48
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DocScrutinizer05it's tale-telling that military already stated that they *never* will act against Ukrainian people08:53
Tekk_that's good08:54
Tekk_DocScrutinizer05: is it though? I'm not certain of the situation ukraine but that seems to be pretty standard with the modern revolutions08:54
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freemangordonTekk_: I wouldn't say having people dead is standard in europe08:55
DocScrutinizer05well, this isn't an arabian country08:55
Tekk_freemangordon: no, I'm saying about the military declaring that08:56
DocScrutinizer05umm, in ex soviet it always been military in the end. Often Russian military08:56
DocScrutinizer05that finally stopped any revolution08:57
DocScrutinizer05we seen it in GDR, in Poland...08:57
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DocScrutinizer05I'm poor at history08:58
Tekk_don't ask me. the american system isn't known for being great at subjects that aren't america :)08:59
Tekk_(and not great at that either..)08:59
DocScrutinizer05all those communism countries always military been a tool of government, not a second government of its own like in arabian countries08:59
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DocScrutinizer05or rather, the primary government *been* the military basically09:00
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I guess you talk about the past09:01
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sure09:01
DocScrutinizer05evidently with Gorbatchow that changed09:01
freemangordonthough, who knows what is the real situation in ex-USSR countries besides the people living there09:02
freemangordonnot me, for sure :)09:02
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless for "european" countries it's quite remarkable when military publicly states it will not obey certain orders that may come from government09:03
DocScrutinizer05In russia probably the military guy stating such thing would get shot 1 day later. In some arabian countries probably the government would get shot one day later09:06
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SAiFwhat does it mean that something I said here is displayed in this window and not in the logs..09:07
freemangordonor rather - in russia it will get shot before doing so :)09:07
DocScrutinizer05SAiF: it either means you started line with a space, or you did a /action09:08
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DocScrutinizer05aka /me09:08
DocScrutinizer05which also doesn't count as "saying sth"09:08
SAiFI didnt do both.. may be my xchat client is running weird09:09
DocScrutinizer05connection issues09:09
DocScrutinizer05your local irc client always echoes your own posts09:10
SAiFhmm.. may be..09:10
ds_shadofgorbachew traitor,  murderer of hundreds of thousands peoples . Opinion of 99.999999% people in Russia. And stop your dreaming about Russina military. You just wrong in everything09:14
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DocScrutinizer05uhuh, didn't know I had anything to stop. My dreams are rarely ever about military. Maybe *you* just wrong about *me*?09:21
DocScrutinizer05lost in translation?09:22
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DocScrutinizer05I just said Gorbachew evidently not been the head of military09:23
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DocScrutinizer05and I'm pretty sure Putin wouldn't allow TV to send a report about it when he liquidates a army guy who publicly says "military won't obey Putin when he orders this or that to military"09:26
DocScrutinizer05what of both statements been incorrect?09:26
DocScrutinizer05it tather seems in Russia even journalists have a short lifespan when they don't follow official rules about what and how to report09:31
DocScrutinizer05guess who's able to get Polonium to poison dissidents and politicians that are on the list of persona non grata of Russian gvmt09:34
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vakkovguys, I need a lamp stack and phpmyadmin on the n90010:42
vakkovany fast ways to get it or I should install apache2 php5 and mysql seperately10:42
vakkovand configure them10:43
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DocScrutinizer05dang, the english version is obviously already cleaned out from servers21:57
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DocScrutinizer05thanks! :-)22:00
t3st3rdoes it anyhow applies to N900/maemo?22:01
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DocScrutinizer05t3st3r: no22:06
DocScrutinizer05btw, quite old: 11.01.2013 12:1022:08
DocScrutinizer05t3st3r: I can't speak for opera though22:09
t3st3rI don't care about opera :)22:09
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jaskathe opera turbo mode might22:10
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TTiluswhy is opening the first page dog slow with (stable cssu) microbi?22:53
TTilusi mean, it takes minute or so to actually start loading stuff22:54
DocScrutinizer05this sounds like DNS/resolver problem22:57
hxkaThis sounds lik AdBlock also22:58
infobothxka meant: This sounds like AdBlock also22:58
DocScrutinizer05or AdBlock enabled and killing your system with mega-swapping22:59
DocScrutinizer05Adblock is absolutely unbearable22:59
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DocScrutinizer05~listvalues adblock23:00
infobotFactoid search of 'adblock' by value returned no results.23:00
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TTilusdoes vanilla cssu have adblock?23:01
TTilusi havent installed it23:02
jogahmm...I think I've always used adblock but haven't noticed it does bad things, how does the mega-swapping happen?23:02
TTilusand all browsing after the fist page is just fine23:02
TTilusno other app than browser suffers this23:03
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jogaor is that why I sometimes kill hildon-home because it takes a few seconds after turning display off to be able to do things23:03
joga*turning display on23:03
TTilus(this) ssh connect is always snappy23:03
jogaI have noticed that sometimes if I give a url, it just seems to wait there, but if I focus the address bar again and press enter it actually goes to the url23:04
TTilusive noticed that too23:05
jogahaven't bothered to find out why23:05
TTilusbut this is different23:05
TTilusit actually gets to the page if you wait for that minyte or so23:05
DocScrutinizer05joga: the sqlite db is too large23:06
DocScrutinizer05TTilus: try IP address instead of URL23:07
TTilusah, lemme try23:09
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TTilusmade no difference, the same one minute delay before starting to receive stuff, after fist page load (succesful or not) everything works fine23:13
TTilusgotta go sleep, continuing tomorrow with fresh brain23:16
jogaDocScrutinizer05, re: adblock you mean?23:17
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys adbloc23:19
infobotFactoid search of 'adbloc' by key (1): bladblocks.23:19
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hxkaAndroid Debug Bridge? :P23:46
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ecc3gapple desktop bus? ono...23:50
DocScrutinizer05had that joke as well in irclog, based on fmg's typo23:50
DocScrutinizer05(not the typo)23:51
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DocScrutinizer05 is the typo23:52
DocScrutinizer05<freemangordon>WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP23:53
DocScrutinizer05~abp is ''<freemangordon>WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP'',
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0523:54
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DocScrutinizer05infobot:  no, abp is ''<freemangordon> WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP'',
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay23:57
DocScrutinizer05<Sc0rpius> it actually even behaves faster with all those flash ads with animations than with ADB23:59

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