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hxka | Installed debian's one, it has only perl in its dependencies | 01:53 |
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hxka | Fuck maemo-optify, btw | 02:14 |
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ds_shadof | cant say since then, but Application Manager so slow. I mean realy SLOW, he spent ages to install 10kb size applications | 03:56 |
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Tekk_ | ds_shadof: yeah, I've noticed that too.. | 04:10 |
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ds_shadof | 15-30 minutes for "preparing" and few secs to install | 04:13 |
Tekk_ | ds_shadof: it's really slow to actually be able to do anything too | 04:14 |
Tekk_ | like after you hit "install" it takes ages before you even see categories | 04:14 |
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ds_shadof | Tekk_, good to know i'm not the only one :) | 04:21 |
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Tekk_ | ds_shadof: I honestly thought that it froze the first time | 04:24 |
Tekk_ | before I came here and asked about it. they just told me to wait | 04:24 |
chainsawbike | there have been some improvements recently - AFAIK they are working there way through cssu | 04:25 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | Google seels Motorola to Lenovo. BWAHAHAHA | 06:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sells, even | 06:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ds_shadof: the time HAM needs to prepare the dependencies-tree and list of applications is proportional to the total number of packages in all enabled repos (catalogs). You are NOT supposed to have extras-devel catalog enabled usually, and extras-testing is mutually exclusive with extras-devel. | 06:37 |
DocScrutinizer05 | a little story: ~6 years back my laptop been a cf-25 with only 128MB of RAM. While openoffice worked great once it started (which took ~60s), the YaST package manager took *fourteen hours* to start up, thanks to excessive swapping | 06:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | package managers need to build up enormous linked lists with all packages and their dependencies, which easily is beaming the whole system into a swap hell when the list exceeds the amount of available RAM | 06:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thus: disable all catalogs in HAM that you don't really need right now! | 06:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's still slow with only maemo-extras enabled, but not THAT slow. Will take <5min definitely | 06:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon created a vastly optimized version of HAM with a speedup of factor 100 or sth like that. I hope this jewel will make it into CSSU soon | 06:46 |
ds_shadof | GAM is frontend to apt-get? | 06:46 |
ds_shadof | HAM* | 06:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes, actually to apt-worker | 06:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | plus it does additional sorting/filtering, thus hiding some packages from user that would be dangerous to install deliberately | 06:48 |
ds_shadof | but apt-get work fast. I will disable extras-devel and extras-testing and test HAM | 06:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get is evidently doing less than HAM, and what it does is done in a better optimized way | 06:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | one huge PITA is loading and rendering all the package icons, iirc | 06:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which apt is evidently not doing | 06:50 |
Tekk_ | the real check would be aptitude vs ham | 06:51 |
Tekk_ | since aptitude builds the tree | 06:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | still no icons | 06:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and still no package groups like seen in HAM | 06:52 |
Tekk_ | gnome-packagekit? :P | 06:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | futile effort to find matching competitors to HAM. Rather test freemangordon's speedyHAM | 06:53 |
Tekk_ | ah | 06:53 |
Tekk_ | I'll look into that | 06:53 |
ds_shadof | hm i disabled Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates, CSSU-testing, andextras-devel. HAM is fast like lighting | 07:04 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | lol, I wonder how you were able to disable Nokia Applications, Nokia System Software Updates, | 07:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | not that it does natter anymore, nothing new will ever come from those channels. They managed to nuke their own signing key | 07:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | matter, even | 07:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you should re-enable them nevertheless, also cssu-testing repo. disabling extras-devel is completely sufficient | 07:23 |
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SAiF | :) | 07:56 |
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ds_shadof | There is a checkbox to enable or disable repo, Nokia repos has it too | 08:04 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | checkbox should be disabled for Nokia repos afaik | 08:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind | 08:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | actually they are currently disable-able on my system as well | 08:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | cssu guys messed a bit with those settings | 08:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | eventually cssu came with a list of rather weird repos and none of them been even deletable | 08:17 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ok, maybe I'm mistaken and those Nokia repos always been disable-able, just not deletable | 08:34 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | so it's probably even ok to disable them, unless you run into problems with cssu updates (those *might* depend on packages from nokia repos that are not yet installed) | 08:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen int-ua | 08:43 |
infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'int-ua' | 08:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen int_ua | 08:43 |
infobot | int_ua <~int_ua@ip-602f.proline.net.ua> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 5h 57m 47s ago, saying: 'PLEASE HELP! My life could depend on it'. | 08:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | dang! | 08:43 |
Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: oh well, too late to do anything new | 08:44 |
Tekk_ | now* | 08:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 08:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I already did what I was able to do, 7d ago | 08:44 |
* Tekk_ needs to remember to say something similar if he ever goes on an extended vacation | 08:44 | |
Tekk_ | ah | 08:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I planned to do more now, and I'm concerned about int_ua | 08:45 |
Tekk_ | oh, it was serious? | 08:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes, definitely | 08:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Ukraina, Maidan | 08:46 |
Tekk_ | oh | 08:46 |
Tekk_ | yeah, that may not go so well :/ | 08:46 |
Tekk_ | I'll keep an eye out | 08:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's kinda "official" that Janucovic and police cooperate with (or *are*) the local mafia | 08:48 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | it's tale-telling that military already stated that they *never* will act against Ukrainian people | 08:53 |
Tekk_ | that's good | 08:54 |
Tekk_ | DocScrutinizer05: is it though? I'm not certain of the situation ukraine but that seems to be pretty standard with the modern revolutions | 08:54 |
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freemangordon | Tekk_: I wouldn't say having people dead is standard in europe | 08:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, this isn't an arabian country | 08:55 |
Tekk_ | freemangordon: no, I'm saying about the military declaring that | 08:56 |
Tekk_ | talking* | 08:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | umm, in ex soviet it always been military in the end. Often Russian military | 08:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that finally stopped any revolution | 08:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | we seen it in GDR, in Poland... | 08:57 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | Hungary? | 08:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm poor at history | 08:58 |
Tekk_ | don't ask me. the american system isn't known for being great at subjects that aren't america :) | 08:59 |
Tekk_ | (and not great at that either..) | 08:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | all those communism countries always military been a tool of government, not a second government of its own like in arabian countries | 08:59 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, the primary government *been* the military basically | 09:00 |
freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I guess you talk about the past | 09:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sure | 09:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | evidently with Gorbatchow that changed | 09:01 |
freemangordon | though, who knows what is the real situation in ex-USSR countries besides the people living there | 09:02 |
freemangordon | not me, for sure :) | 09:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless for "european" countries it's quite remarkable when military publicly states it will not obey certain orders that may come from government | 09:03 |
freemangordon | yeah | 09:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | In russia probably the military guy stating such thing would get shot 1 day later. In some arabian countries probably the government would get shot one day later | 09:06 |
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SAiF | ~ping | 09:07 |
infobot | ~pong | 09:07 |
SAiF | what does it mean that something I said here is displayed in this window and not in the logs.. | 09:07 |
freemangordon | or rather - in russia it will get shot before doing so :) | 09:07 |
freemangordon | *he | 09:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: it either means you started line with a space, or you did a /action | 09:08 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | aka /me | 09:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which also doesn't count as "saying sth" | 09:08 |
SAiF | I didnt do both.. may be my xchat client is running weird | 09:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 09:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | possibly | 09:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | connection issues | 09:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | your local irc client always echoes your own posts | 09:10 |
SAiF | hmm.. may be.. | 09:10 |
ds_shadof | gorbachew traitor, murderer of hundreds of thousands peoples . Opinion of 99.999999% people in Russia. And stop your dreaming about Russina military. You just wrong in everything | 09:14 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, didn't know I had anything to stop. My dreams are rarely ever about military. Maybe *you* just wrong about *me*? | 09:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | lost in translation? | 09:22 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | I just said Gorbachew evidently not been the head of military | 09:23 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm pretty sure Putin wouldn't allow TV to send a report about it when he liquidates a army guy who publicly says "military won't obey Putin when he orders this or that to military" | 09:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | what of both statements been incorrect? | 09:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it tather seems in Russia even journalists have a short lifespan when they don't follow official rules about what and how to report | 09:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | rather* | 09:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | guess who's able to get Polonium to poison dissidents and politicians that are on the list of persona non grata of Russian gvmt | 09:34 |
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vakkov | guys, I need a lamp stack and phpmyadmin on the n900 | 10:42 |
vakkov | any fast ways to get it or I should install apache2 php5 and mysql seperately | 10:42 |
vakkov | and configure them | 10:43 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Nokia-Ja-wir-entschluesseln-HTTPS-aber-wir-spitzeln-nicht-1781327.html | 21:27 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | dang, the english version is obviously already cleaned out from servers | 21:57 |
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hxka | http://web.archive.org/web/20131206192143/http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Nokia-Yes-we-decrypt-HTTPS-but-we-don-t-spy-1782169.html | 21:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) | 22:00 |
t3st3r | does it anyhow applies to N900/maemo? | 22:01 |
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* RST38h makes a sound, like martian clearing throat afterdrinking human blood | 22:01 | |
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DocScrutinizer05 | t3st3r: no | 22:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | btw, quite old: 11.01.2013 12:10 | 22:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 1y | 22:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | t3st3r: I can't speak for opera though | 22:09 |
t3st3r | I don't care about opera :) | 22:09 |
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jaska | the opera turbo mode might | 22:10 |
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hxka | http://www.opera.com/privacy#turbo | 22:18 |
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TTilus | why is opening the first page dog slow with (stable cssu) microbi? | 22:53 |
TTilus | i mean, it takes minute or so to actually start loading stuff | 22:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | this sounds like DNS/resolver problem | 22:57 |
hxka | This sounds lik AdBlock also | 22:58 |
hxka | s/lik/like/ | 22:58 |
infobot | hxka meant: This sounds like AdBlock also | 22:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 22:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | forgot | 22:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or AdBlock enabled and killing your system with mega-swapping | 22:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Adblock is absolutely unbearable | 22:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~adblock | 22:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~abp | 22:59 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues adblock | 23:00 |
infobot | Factoid search of 'adblock' by value returned no results. | 23:00 |
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TTilus | does vanilla cssu have adblock? | 23:01 |
TTilus | i havent installed it | 23:02 |
hxka | No | 23:02 |
joga | hmm...I think I've always used adblock but haven't noticed it does bad things, how does the mega-swapping happen? | 23:02 |
TTilus | and all browsing after the fist page is just fine | 23:02 |
TTilus | no other app than browser suffers this | 23:03 |
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joga | or is that why I sometimes kill hildon-home because it takes a few seconds after turning display off to be able to do things | 23:03 |
joga | *turning display on | 23:03 |
TTilus | (this) ssh connect is always snappy | 23:03 |
joga | I have noticed that sometimes if I give a url, it just seems to wait there, but if I focus the address bar again and press enter it actually goes to the url | 23:04 |
TTilus | ive noticed that too | 23:05 |
joga | haven't bothered to find out why | 23:05 |
TTilus | but this is different | 23:05 |
TTilus | it actually gets to the page if you wait for that minyte or so | 23:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | joga: the sqlite db is too large | 23:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | TTilus: try IP address instead of URL | 23:07 |
TTilus | ah, lemme try | 23:09 |
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TTilus | made no difference, the same one minute delay before starting to receive stuff, after fist page load (succesful or not) everything works fine | 23:13 |
TTilus | gotta go sleep, continuing tomorrow with fresh brain | 23:16 |
joga | DocScrutinizer05, re: adblock you mean? | 23:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 23:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys adbloc | 23:19 |
infobot | Factoid search of 'adbloc' by key (1): bladblocks. | 23:19 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#AFTER_FLASHING | 23:21 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:41:33 | 23:31 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ~abp | 23:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~adb | 23:45 |
hxka | Android Debug Bridge? :P | 23:46 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | nah | 23:50 |
ecc3g | apple desktop bus? ono... | 23:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | had that joke as well in irclog, based on fmg's typo | 23:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:20:28 | 23:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | (not the typo) | 23:51 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:58:44 is the typo | 23:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | <freemangordon>WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP | 23:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~abp is ''<freemangordon>WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP'', https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:58:44 | 23:54 |
infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 23:54 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, abp is ''<freemangordon> WOW, I've forgotten how fast is microb, damn, stupid ADP'', https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-10.log.html#t2012-06-10T23:55:10 | 23:57 |
infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 23:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | <Sc0rpius> it actually even behaves faster with all those flash ads with animations than with ADB | 23:59 |
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