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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: does that work with locked screen?00:05
sixwheeledbeast the camera hack, yes. it makes the "cam_disable" value read only so you can leave the cam key unlocked00:06
sixwheeledbeastbut it doesn't persist reboot so needs upstart script or whatever at boot00:07
DocScrutinizer05hey, nice :-900:07
DocScrutinizer05real cool hack00:07
sixwheeledbeastcredit to vi_ TBH I just found it in a old TMO post and put it on my tweaks page.00:08
Ashley`DocScrutinizer05++ :P00:08
DocScrutinizer05yeah, cam button isn't one of the kbd keys00:08
DocScrutinizer05so gets handled via /sys/buttons/bla...00:09
DocScrutinizer05I guess00:09
DocScrutinizer05and via kevent00:09
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: on what you trigger?00:10
DocScrutinizer05dbus signal?00:10
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DocScrutinizer05oh, it's just unlocking the key00:12
DocScrutinizer05so you still need some pkg like that cambutton-menu or whatsitcalled00:12
sixwheeledbeastI use shortcutd so short focus is next track and long press is secure device00:12
DocScrutinizer05shortcutd was da name00:13
Ashley`good night00:13
DocScrutinizer05yeah, probably even easier than vol+/- hack I suggested00:14
DocScrutinizer05n8 Ashley`00:14
* infobot hugs ashley`00:15
Ashley`ok. now i can go ;)00:15
infobotthanks, sixwheeledbeast00:21
DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: you're aware that turning device face down instantly mutes it?00:22
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sixwheeledbeastYes, I would think so. I have yet to bother with a upstart script. Just being lazy and copying it into terminal on boot which doesn't happen often any more anyway.00:23
DocScrutinizer05(my Samsung Omnia knew that too, alas it been sort of hairtrigger and braindamagedly muted mp3 playback with each step I did with device in pocket00:24
sixwheeledbeastit also snoozes the alarm IIRC00:24
sixwheeledbeastbut remember to put the device screen up for the next snooze ;)00:25
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DocScrutinizer05for calls (ringtones) it's supposed to ring even when face down00:25
DocScrutinizer05you have to turn it 360° to mute it again00:26
DocScrutinizer05never used it for alarm snooze00:27
DocScrutinizer05alarm is a sad joke for me anyway. I'm not even starting to wake up before it times out00:27
DocScrutinizer0560s of alarm are too short for me00:27
sixwheeledbeastIIRC the only time I did a "double snooze" it didn't silence from flipping it over back side up.00:28
DocScrutinizer05so I prefer starting mp3 playback via alarmed00:28
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DocScrutinizer05alarmd syntax (not alarmed) is epic00:29
DocScrutinizer05you can define OK and "snooze" buttons with dbus actions when pressed, and arbitrary executables to start iirc00:30
sixwheeledbeastWell replacement worldclock has code for custom alarm tones for future use, not available a the moment.00:30
sixwheeledbeastI can't remember why, some hardcoded value somewhere IIRC00:32
sixwheeledbeastor use alarmd00:33
sixwheeledbeastalarmed actually00:33
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DocScrutinizer05line 64ff EXAMPLES00:38
DocScrutinizer05alarmed is kinda more convenient to use00:38
DocScrutinizer05(surprise, no? after all I contributed to alarmed)00:39
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DocScrutinizer05nevertheless, awesome:  alarmclient -b label=Snooze,flags=TYPE_SNOOZE+WHEN_RESPONDED -b label=Stop,flags=TYPE_DBUS+WHEN_RESPONDED,,dbus_path=/com/foo/bar,dbus_name=stop_clicked -Dint32:124 -Dstring:hello -n title='Two Button Alarm',message='Hello there',alarm_time=2000:41
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sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: cutetube promotion unlocked thanks to arcean.01:11
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Sc0rpiusbuilder works?01:11
Sc0rpiusyeah it works01:12
Sc0rpiusbuilder emails work?01:12
Sc0rpiusyeah they work :(01:14
Sc0rpiusI mean :)\01:14
Sc0rpiuswhy was cutetube promotion locked?01:14
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sixwheeledbeastbecause it takes forever to get ~6 persons to QA and vote for a package on garage01:25
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sixwheeledbeasthence 6 pages worth01:27
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Sc0rpiusthen I guess they should lower the QA votes from 6 to 3 or something.03:56
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DocScrutinizer05err, nope04:49
DocScrutinizer05the problem is rather that even 6 votes are often not based on proper QA but rather "WFM" or mere sympathy04:50
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DocScrutinizer05I've seen users voting up packages that were not even installed every on their devices04:53
DocScrutinizer05just because they wanted that app04:53
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DocScrutinizer05honestly how a package that doesn't uninstall or eats battery like candy ever makes it into extras is beyond me04:55
DocScrutinizer05shouldn't get a single thumb-up vote in extras-testing04:56
DocScrutinizer05I just say04:59
infobotsomebody said speedpatch was >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]04:59
DocScrutinizer05iirc those made it to extras05:00
DocScrutinizer05tsting and QA never really worked as intended, but everything else works even worse05:01
DocScrutinizer05for HARM Nokia replaced that by absolutism via store and Nokia based commercial QA, and paegis05:03
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infobotspeedpatch is, like, >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]05:17
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zGrrmoin :)11:04
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Maxdamantus--2014-01-22 23:07:40--
MaxdamantusEverything seems to be outdated :(12:08
MaxdamantusThose last two hyphens are apparently meant to be underscores.12:09
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MaxdamantusWait, the tarballs have hyphens, the debs have underscores .. it chose the wrong directory.12:11
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Ori_553anyone else suddenly experiencing "you do not have status updates" in the facebook widget in maemo 5 ?14:16
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SAiFhow do you control a service?  start stop restart.. etc.. what commands to use.  where can I get good docs abt maemo and busybox?16:30
Ashley`I am not sure, but, take a look at /etc/init.d/16:31
Ashley`(# /etc/init.d/initscript_name command)16:32
Ashley`(for example, /etc/init.d/ssh restart)16:32
SAiFthats good,  but another thing.. where else could a daemon go, I couldnt find the intended one in init.d/16:37
merlin1991it's upstart16:40
merlin1991so you could read some ubuntu docs about that :D16:40
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SAiFthanks again.. and anywhere else..?16:44
SAiFI should probably be using ubuntu docs.. :)16:45
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sixwheeledbeastupstart cookbook17:50
sixwheeledbeastas for *patch. many of the votes where from noobs that didn't use the QA system properly. Thankfully that is partly resolved now, after bringing this to CC attn.17:52
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sixwheeledbeastI can only see the above being stopped by blocking QA until x Karma is reached on garage profile.17:53
SAiFThanks a lot sixwheeledbeast17:56
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sixwheeledbeastsomehow amazingly yappari has 7 votes in less than 12 hours, three of the votes are <10 karma. This is not facebook or youtube thumbs up you are suppose to test the application. Not saying there is anything wrong with yappari I have never used it TBH.18:31
DocScrutinizer05see what I mean?18:35
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DocScrutinizer05not only "test" but actually VERIFY, by running a set of pretty clearly defined tests against it18:36
DocScrutinizer05I bet none of those testers even checked if it's properly optified18:36
DocScrutinizer05nor if it uninstalls cleanly, or if it hogs CPU or has other similar problems18:37
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sixwheeledbeast exactly, but this is fanboy votes like for *patch, hence my suggestion.18:39
sixwheeledbeastit only happens on a very small amount of pkgs18:40
sixwheeledbeastIt only a small update I believe, but this is no excuse.18:41
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hbib1even if it is/may be against the rules and may result in lower package quality i think there is nothing wrong with having some important packages for daily usage in the repos more basing on users opinion/need than on their actual technical quality :)18:57
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hbib1and by the non-technical user-vote it is at least ensured that these programs work regarding their promised features ...18:59
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SAiFthats true.. yappari works fine for me.. and its the only choice i have got I think.19:06
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sixwheeledbeastlowering package quality is a big no IMO. If it's a small important update, maintainer could ask CC to push an update in some cases.19:12
sixwheeledbeastYou don't have to be "technical" to QA and package test. There is a guide on what to do. More experienced people will do better testing but to vote you MUST have done the QA checklist.19:13
sixwheeledbeastWFM isn't package testing either19:14
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sixwheeledbeastalso how do you rate important? yappari isn't important for me, but that's IMO. important are system updates provided by CSSU.19:18
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hbib1freemangordon: you are totaly right, but i think the problem is that meamo hasn't the power to go only for (high) quality but has to accept instead any works ensuring the it's usability for daily "smartphone-work"21:24
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freemangordonhbib1: sorry, could you rephrase, I am not sure I parse ^^^ on 100%21:25
hbib1and yes, for me whatsapp/yappari is an imprtant program, because sadly many people use ist and without it I couldn't keep using my n900 (and even order a neo900) as daily, main and only phone21:25
hbib1freemangordon: i think the problem is that maemo hasn't enough developpers :)21:26
freemangordonoh, tell me about it :)21:26
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hbib1or, to be more precisive, not in the topic of "modern" smartphone software regarding all that stuff like whatsapp/instagramm/kik/twitter/whatever, which is sadly need to hold contact with non "technical" people21:28
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FIQis there a good reason for why has 4 different account dbs?21:59
FIQthere's garage, bugzilla, wiki, tmo21:59
FIQwouldn't it be easier to just... have 121:59
trxthat would be nice22:04
bef0rdI know why tmo is differnt, tmo used to be a different site, not owned by maemo.org22:06
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Ashley`hm... is decoders-support package broken?22:46
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DocScrutinizer05hbib1: maemo QA will not turn into a sympathy contest. The purpose of QA and etras-testing is to ensure no defective or rogue application enters maemo-extras repo. When you want an app in mameo-extras then you will have to go the way of developing, testing, QA, like every other packet had to do so far23:01
DocScrutinizer05when you can't find your preferred app in maemo-extras, well then it isn't in extras. You need to find it elsewhere (e.g. in extras-devel)23:02
DocScrutinizer05we will not poison maemo-extras repo by moving apps from extras-devel to extras without proper QA23:02
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: actually only has 2 account db: and everything else is based on that afaik. I.E. all your "accounts" except tmo should be handled by garage23:05
DocScrutinizer05if that's not correct, then nemein and community volunteers failed to implement/finalize the SSO that been planned in 201223:07
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FIQwell I had to create a new account for bugzilla23:10
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, that is probably since bugzilla using your email-add as login-name23:11
FIQspeaking of this23:11
DocScrutinizer05for obvious reasons23:11
DocScrutinizer05anyway, you're free and welcome to improve all that infra23:11
DocScrutinizer05techstaff has no manpower for that23:11
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