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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: does that work with locked screen? | 00:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | the camera hack, yes. it makes the "cam_disable" value read only so you can leave the cam key unlocked | 00:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but it doesn't persist reboot so needs upstart script or whatever at boot | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, nice :-9 | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | real cool hack | 00:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | credit to vi_ TBH I just found it in a old TMO post and put it on my tweaks page. | 00:08 |
| Ashley` | DocScrutinizer05++ :P | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, cam button isn't one of the kbd keys | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so gets handled via /sys/buttons/bla... | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and via kevent | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ke-recv? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hal? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: on what you trigger? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus signal? | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, it's just unlocking the key | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you still need some pkg like that cambutton-menu or whatsitcalled | 00:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I use shortcutd so short focus is next track and long press is secure device | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shortcutd was da name | 00:13 |
| Ashley` | good night | 00:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gn | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, probably even easier than vol+/- hack I suggested | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 Ashley` | 00:14 |
| Ashley` | ~hug | 00:15 |
| * infobot hugs ashley` | 00:15 | |
| Ashley` | ok. now i can go ;) | 00:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 00:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~botsnack | 00:21 |
| infobot | thanks, sixwheeledbeast | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: you're aware that turning device face down instantly mutes it? | 00:22 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Yes, I would think so. I have yet to bother with a upstart script. Just being lazy and copying it into terminal on boot which doesn't happen often any more anyway. | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (my Samsung Omnia knew that too, alas it been sort of hairtrigger and braindamagedly muted mp3 playback with each step I did with device in pocket | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 00:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it also snoozes the alarm IIRC | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but remember to put the device screen up for the next snooze ;) | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for calls (ringtones) it's supposed to ring even when face down | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have to turn it 360° to mute it again | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never used it for alarm snooze | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alarm is a sad joke for me anyway. I'm not even starting to wake up before it times out | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 60s of alarm are too short for me | 00:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | IIRC the only time I did a "double snooze" it didn't silence from flipping it over back side up. | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I prefer starting mp3 playback via alarmed | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alarmd syntax (not alarmed) is epic | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can define OK and "snooze" buttons with dbus actions when pressed, and arbitrary executables to start iirc | 00:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well replacement worldclock has code for custom alarm tones for future use, not available a the moment. | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/6157ee0311 | 00:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I can't remember why, some hardcoded value somewhere IIRC | 00:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | or use alarmd | 00:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | alarmed actually | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | line 64ff EXAMPLES | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alarmed is kinda more convenient to use | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (surprise, no? after all I contributed to alarmed) | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless, awesome: alarmclient -b label=Snooze,flags=TYPE_SNOOZE+WHEN_RESPONDED -b label=Stop,flags=TYPE_DBUS+WHEN_RESPONDED,dbus_service=com.foo.bar,dbus_path=/com/foo/bar,dbus_name=stop_clicked -Dint32:124 -Dstring:hello -n title='Two Button Alarm',message='Hello there',alarm_time=20 | 00:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: cutetube promotion unlocked thanks to arcean. | 01:11 |
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| Sc0rpius | builder works? | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah it works | 01:12 |
| Sc0rpius | builder emails work? | 01:12 |
| Sc0rpius | :( | 01:12 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah they work :( | 01:14 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean :)\ | 01:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh | 01:14 |
| Sc0rpius | why was cutetube promotion locked? | 01:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | because it takes forever to get ~6 persons to QA and vote for a package on garage | 01:25 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | hence http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ 6 pages worth | 01:27 |
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| Sc0rpius | then I guess they should lower the QA votes from 6 to 3 or something. | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, nope | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is rather that even 6 votes are often not based on proper QA but rather "WFM" or mere sympathy | 04:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen users voting up packages that were not even installed every on their devices | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just because they wanted that app | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/every/ever/ | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly how a package that doesn't uninstall or eats battery like candy ever makes it into extras is beyond me | 04:55 |
| SAiF | :) | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't get a single thumb-up vote in extras-testing | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just say | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch | 04:59 |
| infobot | somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc those made it to extras | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tsting and QA never really worked as intended, but everything else works even worse | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for HARM Nokia replaced that by absolutism via store and Nokia based commercial QA, and paegis | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batterypatch | 05:17 |
| infobot | speedpatch is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 05:17 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 11:04 |
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| Maxdamantus | --2014-01-22 23:07:40-- http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/branches/hathor/r1/deb/i386/scratchbox-core-1.0.26-i386.tar.gz | 12:08 |
| Maxdamantus | Everything seems to be outdated :( | 12:08 |
| Maxdamantus | Those last two hyphens are apparently meant to be underscores. | 12:09 |
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| Maxdamantus | Wait, the tarballs have hyphens, the debs have underscores .. it chose the wrong directory. | 12:11 |
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| Ori_553 | anyone else suddenly experiencing "you do not have status updates" in the facebook widget in maemo 5 ? | 14:16 |
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| SAiF | how do you control a service? start stop restart.. etc.. what commands to use. where can I get good docs abt maemo and busybox? | 16:30 |
| Ashley` | I am not sure, but, take a look at /etc/init.d/ | 16:31 |
| Ashley` | (# /etc/init.d/initscript_name command) | 16:32 |
| Ashley` | (for example, /etc/init.d/ssh restart) | 16:32 |
| SAiF | thats good, but another thing.. where else could a daemon go, I couldnt find the intended one in init.d/ | 16:37 |
| merlin1991 | even.d | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | it's upstart | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | so you could read some ubuntu docs about that :D | 16:40 |
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| ShadowJK | event.d | 16:40 |
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| SAiF | thanks again.. and anywhere else..? | 16:44 |
| SAiF | :) | 16:44 |
| SAiF | I should probably be using ubuntu docs.. :) | 16:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | upstart cookbook | 17:50 |
| SAiF | huh? | 17:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | as for *patch. many of the votes where from noobs that didn't use the QA system properly. Thankfully that is partly resolved now, after bringing this to CC attn. | 17:52 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I can only see the above being stopped by blocking QA until x Karma is reached on garage profile. | 17:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | SAiF: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ | 17:54 |
| SAiF | Thanks a lot sixwheeledbeast | 17:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np | 17:56 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | somehow amazingly yappari has 7 votes in less than 12 hours, three of the votes are <10 karma. This is not facebook or youtube thumbs up you are suppose to test the application. Not saying there is anything wrong with yappari I have never used it TBH. | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see what I mean? | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not only "test" but actually VERIFY, by running a set of pretty clearly defined tests against it | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet none of those testers even checked if it's properly optified | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nor if it uninstalls cleanly, or if it hogs CPU or has other similar problems | 18:37 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | exactly, but this is fanboy votes like for *patch, hence my suggestion. | 18:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it only happens on a very small amount of pkgs | 18:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It only a small update I believe, but this is no excuse. | 18:41 |
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| hbib1 | even if it is/may be against the rules and may result in lower package quality i think there is nothing wrong with having some important packages for daily usage in the repos more basing on users opinion/need than on their actual technical quality :) | 18:57 |
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| hbib1 | and by the non-technical user-vote it is at least ensured that these programs work regarding their promised features ... | 18:59 |
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| SAiF | thats true.. yappari works fine for me.. and its the only choice i have got I think. | 19:06 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | lowering package quality is a big no IMO. If it's a small important update, maintainer could ask CC to push an update in some cases. | 19:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You don't have to be "technical" to QA and package test. There is a guide on what to do. More experienced people will do better testing but to vote you MUST have done the QA checklist. | 19:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | WFM isn't package testing either | 19:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Help_testing_software http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_checklist | 19:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | also how do you rate important? yappari isn't important for me, but that's IMO. important are system updates provided by CSSU. | 19:18 |
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| hbib1 | freemangordon: you are totaly right, but i think the problem is that meamo hasn't the power to go only for (high) quality but has to accept instead any works ensuring the it's usability for daily "smartphone-work" | 21:24 |
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| freemangordon | hbib1: sorry, could you rephrase, I am not sure I parse ^^^ on 100% | 21:25 |
| hbib1 | and yes, for me whatsapp/yappari is an imprtant program, because sadly many people use ist and without it I couldn't keep using my n900 (and even order a neo900) as daily, main and only phone | 21:25 |
| hbib1 | freemangordon: i think the problem is that maemo hasn't enough developpers :) | 21:26 |
| freemangordon | oh, tell me about it :) | 21:26 |
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| hbib1 | or, to be more precisive, not in the topic of "modern" smartphone software regarding all that stuff like whatsapp/instagramm/kik/twitter/whatever, which is sadly need to hold contact with non "technical" people | 21:28 |
| hbib1 | *precise | 21:32 |
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| FIQ | is there a good reason for why maemo.org has 4 different account dbs? | 21:59 |
| FIQ | there's garage, bugzilla, wiki, tmo | 21:59 |
| FIQ | wouldn't it be easier to just... have 1 | 21:59 |
| trx | that would be nice | 22:04 |
| bef0rd | I know why tmo is differnt, tmo used to be a different site, not owned by maemo.org | 22:06 |
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| Ashley` | hm... is decoders-support package broken? | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hbib1: maemo QA will not turn into a sympathy contest. The purpose of QA and etras-testing is to ensure no defective or rogue application enters maemo-extras repo. When you want an app in mameo-extras then you will have to go the way of developing, testing, QA, like every other packet had to do so far | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you can't find your preferred app in maemo-extras, well then it isn't in extras. You need to find it elsewhere (e.g. in extras-devel) | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we will not poison maemo-extras repo by moving apps from extras-devel to extras without proper QA | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: actually maemo.org only has 2 account db: talk.maemo.org and garage.maemo.org. everything else is based on that afaik. I.E. all your "accounts" except tmo should be handled by garage | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that's not correct, then nemein and community volunteers failed to implement/finalize the SSO that been planned in 2012 | 23:07 |
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| FIQ | well I had to create a new account for bugzilla | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that is probably since bugzilla using your email-add as login-name | 23:11 |
| FIQ | speaking of this | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for obvious reasons | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, you're free and welcome to improve all that infra | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | techstaff has no manpower for that | 23:11 |
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