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merlin1991jdoles: well in that case01:25
merlin1991please fix the wiki01:25
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SAiFis there any ftp or http daemons for n900?04:13
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robbiethe1stI'm not sure. I /know/ you can install a debian chroot with all your standard packages04:14
robbiethe1stSo things like apache are indeed possible, though there's extra file overhead from the duplicated packages04:14
robbiethe1stYou'd just have to search the repos for native ports04:15
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SAiFgot lighttpd and proftpd, I dont whether whether it works.. I will try sometime. :)04:36
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freemangordonpeterbjornx: you did that for 4 hours?08:35
freemangordonname all the functions, etc ?08:36
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freemangordonpeterbjornx: what?!? arm hexrays has finally leaked O.o08:39
peterbjornxnope, just ida08:41
peterbjornxand, yeah i've been nam08:41
peterbjornx*naming some functions for a while08:42
peterbjornxlots of them appear to be modified linux code08:42
freemangordonyeah, big parts of nolo come from the kernel afaik08:43
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freemangordonpeterbjornx: are you interested in neo900 project?08:43
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Menthahello there!16:50
Menthaquick question, iam a biker and i want to build in a bt-headset into my helmet, so that i can get calls while driving.16:51
Menthaso far so easy, but now the more specialized thing, as a matter of fact, i tend to listen to the fm-radio while driving and with a wired headset thats no matter whatsoever, but what if i would like to do it wireless over the build-in (into the helmet) bt-headset and plug in a short cable into the 3,5mm-jack, would i still be able to pair it and hear sound on the bluetooth headset?16:55
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DocScrutinizer05good question, I'm sure technically it works. But you need to convince alsaped and friends to route to BT while a HS-jack is plugged in17:07
Menthayea, i guess nobody yet has had that setup, or  atleast it isnt very common :D17:07
warfareMentha: Why not using a headset that also supports A2DP?17:07
DocScrutinizer05the problem is that FM-radio refuses to work when it thinks there's no atenna (HS) plugged in17:08
DocScrutinizer05warfare: hmm?17:08
DocScrutinizer05the problem is in audio routing in N90017:08
DocScrutinizer05when you plug in a wired headset, that overrides the BT headset afaik17:09
warfareAh, Headphones have priority over BT.17:09
warfare would be a solution.17:10
DocScrutinizer05I think I managed to confuse the logic so it routed to BT even with HS-jack plugged in. Try different sequences of enabling BT and plugging/unpluggin/replugging HS-jack17:10
Menthayep, also my thought :)17:10
DocScrutinizer05another problem is: it seems ringtones are never played back via headset, no matter which one17:11
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Menthawarfare: yep, already thought about a headset with builtin fm-radio, but this would then habe to be controlled complettly over the controlls of the bt-unit, not sure if it would be doable with gloves on :)17:13
DocScrutinizer05tbh I don't know if switching between BT HSP(?) for monaural bidir voice call and A2DP while listening music works at all17:13
DocScrutinizer05Mentha: there are BT headsets that can pair to more than one peer device concurrently17:14
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MenthaDocScrutinizer05: ringtones work here btw. with the default-n900 headset while listening to the fm-radio, its stop for a sequend starts playing the ringtone and you can take the call by pushing the button, afterwards it reverts to the fm-radio (using qradio)17:15
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DocScrutinizer05oooh, and maybe even worse (though i need to check the schematics for details): the FM-radio is built in to same chip like BT, and I guess they share a single PCM interface for audio17:16
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DocScrutinizer05if that's correct then listening to FM and using BT audio would be mutually exclusive17:17
MenthaDocScrutinizer05: yep, its the same chip :D17:19
DocScrutinizer05sure, but I dunno about the FM audio interface17:19
Mentha_that_ should kill the attempt i guess :)17:19
DocScrutinizer05ooh, FM-audio is analog17:21
DocScrutinizer05BT is I2S/PCM17:21
Menthai mean qradio has the possibilty to switch to the internal speakers, while the headset is plugged in, but i guess its a complettly other thing to output audio over the chip that is been used already to make fm-radio work from the beginnin :)17:21
DocScrutinizer05so this is no issue17:22
DocScrutinizer05actually I recall javispedro pondering an audio routing that allows FM-radio with CPU suspended, thanks to the audio from BT chip being analog and thus no conversion D/A needed17:23
DocScrutinizer05in your case CPU/audio-codec needs to convert A/D17:24
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Menthayep, guess it will be a major pita to accomplish it :)17:25
DocScrutinizer05*should* be no major problem (except maybe for power consumption, which shouldn't be higher than with MP3 listening nevertheless)17:25
DocScrutinizer05sorry I never managed to grok how audio routing *really* is done in fremantle17:26
DocScrutinizer05I just know that alsaped is involved somehow17:26
DocScrutinizer05and of course PA17:27
DocScrutinizer05if that whole domain would be properly analyzed and reverse-engineered already, we had less headache from Neo900 audio hardware and how to implement it so it's 100% compatible to fremantle and N90017:28
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DocScrutinizer05alas Nokia considered audio mission-critical for a phone (ok) and thus not suitable for user to mess with it (NOT ok), and thus we have a big blackbox for all that17:30
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DocScrutinizer05when you can find javispedro, you might ask him for advice. I think he's the one I know of who knows best about that audio stuff17:33
Menthais he still on the maemo forum?17:35
DocScrutinizer05err yep17:35
DocScrutinizer05seen a post of him a few weeks ago17:35
Menthaok thanks mate, lets see if it works out well, would be great.. w'll see :)17:38
Menthahave a nice day o/17:38
DocScrutinizer05please let us know if it worked17:38
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merlin1991anobody got any idea how this can happen (compare line 7 and line 19)17:41
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FIQ[16:11:49] <DocScrutinizer05> another problem is: it seems ringtones are never played back via headset, no matter which one17:46
FIQringtones play just fine here17:46
FIQwith hs17:46
DocScrutinizer05yesm that's what I posted17:46
DocScrutinizer05and I know for sure that, when I listen to mp3 via my home stereo (linked to N900 with AV-cable) and a call comes in, the ringtone does NOT get played back via my home stereo17:48
DocScrutinizer05it just mutes the music on "headset" and plays back the ringtone via device speakers, like specified in wiki about multimedia framework17:49
DocScrutinizer05and audio17:49
DocScrutinizer05maybe headset and headPHONES are different in that regard for audio-routing17:50
FIQthat sounds silly17:50
FIQis there a good reason for that?17:53
DocScrutinizer05Pulseaudio: Ringtone is heard from the loudspeaker if BT connected.17:57
DocScrutinizer05Ringtone played both to headset (BT or wired) and to internal HF speakers.17:57
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DocScrutinizer05  enjoy! :-S18:03
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DocScrutinizer05good reason? well, I feel quite ok with the N900 *not* playing ringtones via my home stereo amp18:04
DocScrutinizer05I also feel ok with device audibly playing ringtones even when headset still plugged in since I forgot to unplug when I put it down somewhere18:05
DocScrutinizer05but actually that SHALL be a user config setting18:06
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.18:06
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DocScrutinizer05wtf is >>Fast SMS rejection of incoming call.<< ?18:14
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peterbjornxwil lthat even work considering bt and fm are in one chip18:23
peterbjornxfreemangordon: yeah, im interested in neo900 but dont really know that much about it18:24
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freemangordonpeterbjornx: ~neo90018:24
infobotrumour has it, neo900 is at, or at
freemangordonpeterbjornx: it shouldn;t be much different compared to n90018:25
freemangordonpeterbjornx: if you are interested in joining the fptf, please join #maemo-ssu18:26
freemangordonwe need at leas on guys with IDA/kernel skills :D18:27
infobot[fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see
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freemangordonhmm, I scared him :)18:30
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peterbjornxmy client fucked up, did i miss anything important19:50
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freemangordonfreemangordonpeterbjornx: it shouldn;t be much different compared to n90018:2520:16
freemangordonfreemangordonpeterbjornx: if you are interested in joining the fptf, please join #maemo-ssu18:2620:16
freemangordonfreemangordonwe need at leas on guys with IDA/kernel skills :D18:2720:16
infoboti guess fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see
freemangordonpeterbjornx: well, we need at least *one more* :)20:17
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peterbjornxim not that experienced with kernel dev, i do know quite a bit of c but mostly the tech stuff. not the cs theory part20:19
peterbjornxcomputer science20:19
peterbjornxthe math side of things20:20
freemangordonpeterbjornx: neither am I (experienced with kernel dev), but still ...20:20
freemangordonoh, that shouldn't be a problem20:20
freemangordonthere is no much math in the UI, for example20:20
freemangordonand being a C developer should mean that you know "how it works" :)20:21
freemangordonpeterbjornx: honestly, I need someone to help me with the RE part, now the jonwil gave up20:22
peterbjornxtrue, although my knowledge about many of the high level libs is pretty limited, i've only really played with c on low level (micros)20:22
freemangordonand we'll need some RE done, for neo900, esp GPS/modem part20:22
peterbjornxwhat do i need to look at20:22
freemangordonpeterbjornx: join #maemo-ssu as a start :)20:23
freemangordonas we're a bit OT here20:23
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Ashley`how to troubleshoot not working mobile internet connection? (3g)21:55
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Ashley`It's disconnects when some app wants to connect to the internet21:55
Ashley`in dmesg I can see only:21:56
Ashley`gprs0: attached21:56
Ashley`gprs0: detached21:56
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DrGrovHello hello22:02
DrGrovJust wondering, I know this is not a Maemo type of question but still I thought I would ask it.22:02
DrGrovCan I sync Google contacts to a Nokia 208? Just bought it and according to some resources online it should be possible to achieve that fairly easy.22:02
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sixwheeledbeastAshley`: fMMS issue, maybe?22:15
Ashley`I don't have it on my phone22:17
Ashley`I've fastsms... but I had it before and everything worked22:18
Ashley`(Ugh, my english... My messages... look awful, right? :f)22:19
sixwheeledbeastok just a thought, in "havoc" mode IIRC it bumps the 3G connection off while it does it's thing.22:19
sixwheeledbeastwhat is happening exactly?22:19
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Ashley`<sixwheeledbeast> ok just a thought, in "havoc" mode IIRC it bumps the 3G connection off while it does it's thing.22:32
Ashley`oh, sorry, I was afk22:33
Ashley`1. what is havoc mode?22:33
Ashley`2: I connect to internet by 3g (Connect to Internet (Połącz z Internetem) dialog...)22:34
Ashley`I launch... for example xchat22:34
Ashley`And when it tries to connect to server (first, resolve domain)22:35
Ashley`Connection icon disappears, and connection is lost22:35
Ashley`(dmesg says "gprs0: detached")22:35
Ashley`(i hope you can understand me ;_;)22:35
Ashley`Oh well...22:41
Ashley`It magicaly started to work >.<22:41
Ashley`I just need to ask on IRC22:41
Ashley`and my n900 repairs itself magically22:41
Ashley`sorry... again..22:42
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Ashley`that's second time -.-22:42
SAiFit happens..22:42
freemangordonashley: yeah, asking the correct questions usually helps to find the solution :)22:42
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Ashley`freemangordon, but I didn't find the solution22:42
Ashley`freemangordon, my n900 fixed itself somehow xD22:43
freemangordonwait, your problem is solved, ain't?22:43
Ashley`freemangordon, second time!22:43
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Ashley`yeah... but... hm. Maybe it's solution to my N900 problems.22:43
freemangordonsee :P22:43
Ashley`Ask, *magic*, done.22:43
Ashley`Sorry for taking your time :f22:44
sixwheeledbeastIt's not a signal issue? which icon disappears? Network settings?22:45
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DrGrovSorry for my off-topic in this channel. Apologies.22:48
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Ashley`sixwheeledbeast, I'd send you screenshot of that icon, but I need to do my awfully large homework...22:50
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: could you add a note on your "testing-squad" thread that cutetube needs one more vote to enter -extras?23:08
sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: yep ok I have been, waiting for vagalume to get 2 more votes.23:09
sixwheeledbeastWhat s the plan with tracker-cfg?23:09
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: if I am not mistaken, last time I tried it, it was broken (vagalume)23:10
freemangordonhmm, what about tracker-cfg?23:10
freemangordonno active maintainer?23:11
sixwheeledbeastnope it was updated and has always worked for me, the issue is possibly the service.23:11
sixwheeledbeastyou promoted tracker-cfg IIRC and it has passed QA but no maintainer to push to extras, do we just push it anyway?23:12
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: well, I can't decide on my own. I guess that's council material23:12
sixwheeledbeastcool I'll mention it next week then, unless you become a maintainer and promote it :)23:13
freemangordonI know nothing about python. maybe kerio :P23:14
sixwheeledbeastworth a try :P23:14
DocScrutinizer05[general notice] please don't adopt the habit to quote a complete post of the one talking just before you reply23:14
DocScrutinizer05eventually this will not get tolerated anymore23:14
DocScrutinizer05this is no email with fullquote, and no forum23:15
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: I have rights to promote it in extras and this will not be the first orphaned package in extras, but I can;t take the decision23:17
freemangordonso please, raise the issue on the next council meeting23:17
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DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: either signal issue (poor RF GSM signal), or modem slow death ("No SIM detected")23:19
sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: no I understand, it's no problem. I thought I'd ask because I thought you promoted it. I will mention it at the meeting23:19
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: yes, I promoted it to -testing, but -extras is not the same23:20
DocScrutinizer05I think gprs0 "NIC" vanishes as soon as modem can't connect to network and thus can't provide connectivity23:20
sixwheeledbeastyep that's fine23:20
freemangordonok, enough for today, night guys23:21
sixwheeledbeasto/ gn fmg23:25
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Ashley`a way to change profile to 'silent' without typing device password would be cool23:42
Ashley`maybe i'll try to implement it23:43
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Ashley`I'm bad at understanding code written by someone else, so it won't be easy23:43
DocScrutinizer05I guess volume keys can get enabled to work even when devie is locked23:44
DocScrutinizer05I'm sure they can23:44
DocScrutinizer05then you get dbus-scripting23:44
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Ashley`i didn't think about that23:45
DocScrutinizer05check for a nice sequence on dbus and trigger your profile switching23:45
Ashley`It would be much easier23:45
DocScrutinizer05iirc you enable volume keys in rtc/mce/mce.ini23:46
DocScrutinizer05etc even23:46
DocScrutinizer05something like a fast up-down-up should do23:47
DocScrutinizer05as "key makro"23:47
DocScrutinizer05profile switching should be in23:47
infobotrumour has it, phonecontrol is
DocScrutinizer05dbus-scripting is a package23:47
DocScrutinizer05will be sth like 50 lines bash scrip max23:48
sixwheeledbeastAshley`: see ~beasttweaks, I have modded the camera key to skip track you could do the same for silent.23:50
infobothmm... beasttweaks is
Ashley`I like how it's named "beast tweaks". It looks like "best tweaks" :D23:51
sixwheeledbeastit wasn't intentional :whistle:23:53
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