IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2014-01-18

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b1101he dropped it off :) time to flash clean00:51
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b1101buttons!!! I missed these buttons01:25
Ashley`DocScrutinizer05: oh, you're in the same timezone as I am ;)01:27
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DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: no, I'm not. I have my own TZ: JRTZV01:32
Ashley`huh?01:33
DocScrutinizer05hail pichlo! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1407199#post140719901:33
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DocScrutinizer05Ashley`: lemme check.... maybe... UH....  13:40 in my private timezone01:33
Ashley`<DocScrutinizer05> [2014-01-17 17:18:02] <b1101> ...damn it. Uncle put it in his car for when I see him tomorrow.01:34
Ashley`and in my logs:01:34
DocScrutinizer05though, to describe the feeling and time I sense, not even the dyscordian calendar suffices. LOTS of shit happening01:34
Ashley`<b1101> [17:18:02] ...damn it. Uncle put it in his car for when I see him tomorrow.01:35
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DocScrutinizer05Woody bailing out, in a very depressing way and for even more sad reasons once you start to think about it01:36
DocScrutinizer05and that's ruining my week, together with other shit happening01:37
DocScrutinizer05anyway, hope he will be well soon01:37
DocScrutinizer05woody, take care!01:39
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DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote: I suggest everybody makes sure you got all the core data you need to continue using your N900 (like flasher, fiasco-images, SDK, eMMC, VM-image, ...)01:42
DocScrutinizer05Nokia sold to M$01:42
DocScrutinizer05up to you to conclude01:43
DocScrutinizer05http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/01:43
Ashley`hm...01:44
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DocScrutinizer05friends share such vital data via P2P aka torrents01:44
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DocScrutinizer05I got my local copies of the most important data. Alas I may not share, thus the according dirs on maemo.cloud-7.de are not publicly accessible01:48
DocScrutinizer05but I suggest everybody gets his own local copy right now!01:49
DocScrutinizer05even if you never before flashed your device - eventually you might have to01:50
DocScrutinizer05and while for flasher-3.5 there's a FOSS alternative thanks to pali, for the firmware images you're on your own01:51
Ashley`I have sdk, images, flasher01:51
DocScrutinizer05then I think you're not nervous now. Good!01:51
DocScrutinizer05please consider torrents or whatever01:51
Ashley`not now :P01:52
DocScrutinizer05others might be less licky than you01:52
DocScrutinizer05lucky even01:52
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Ashley`But I don't know if I am able to seed... I think my ISP've blocked seeding torrents (downloading works fine)01:53
DocScrutinizer05I just hope it's not yet a crime to *suggest* torrents01:54
DocScrutinizer05well, I'm confident this community will handle this situation, like always, in an awesome way01:55
DocScrutinizer05just a sidenote: when I'd search for the files, I'd manage to find the original complete filename in wiki or chanlogs or whatever, so no need to ponder what fantasy names somebody might have assigned to the torrent she shares01:56
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DocScrutinizer05I think some users even might consider a class action against Nokia for not providing vital data anymore for a product that been in official sales just 18 months ago01:59
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b1101holding this phone again only reminds me about how badly nokia fucked it up02:00
b1101not the phone itself, but in their direction02:01
DocScrutinizer05yep02:01
DocScrutinizer05they had an awesome community (this one) and didn't know what to do with it02:01
DocScrutinizer05epic fail02:02
b1101should I remove any of the default repositories at this point ?02:03
DocScrutinizer05not yet. They will start to fail soon enough02:03
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: sup02:04
ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: \o02:04
DocScrutinizer05anyway, nokia standard repos have zilch that's not in:02:05
DocScrutinizer05~pr13102:05
infobothmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ )02:05
DocScrutinizer05so you better get your provate local copy of fiasco image02:05
DocScrutinizer05private, as well02:05
DocScrutinizer05maeno.org is kinda safe, all of it02:06
DocScrutinizer05*.maemo.org02:06
DocScrutinizer05nokia.com is at everybody's guess02:06
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DocScrutinizer05sorry for HARM, their devices will probably cease to work as soon as Nokia tears down those servers/repos/appshop/whatever02:07
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DocScrutinizer05we knew that since beginning, nobody been interested (or they refused to get a N9)02:08
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DocScrutinizer05nota bene, even your humble council can't help you out when you miss to save your data right now and eventually last source of FIASCO goes offline02:10
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merlin1991ZogG_laptop: ?02:17
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FIQhow do I get on hold of flashing images?03:16
FIQnvm03:18
FIQfoudn in backlog03:18
FIQhm03:22
FIQI have flasher-3.5 and image of PR1.3.1 here03:22
FIQif I intend to use maemo SDK at some point, do I need more stuff that will go offline?03:23
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DocScrutinizer05you should try to get the VM inage I guess03:33
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DocScrutinizer05and I dunno, maybe even update it, since some stuff might be in nokia repos only03:34
DocScrutinizer05ask the developers about that, I'm not really one of that crew03:34
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sixwheeledbeast~sdk11:41
infobotit has been said that sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt"11:41
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sixwheeledbeastwell, ain't going to wget that then.11:42
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: that's the funny part, the above still works. But Nokia forbids we make it available, so everybody needs to write a mail with their IMEI for proof and then can get a copy on DVD?14:45
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sixwheeledbeastThis is what Nokia have said?14:54
DocScrutinizer05no, that's what I wonder how to proceed14:56
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sixwheeledbeastWell if 40K users ask for it, they would be stupid to provide 40K DVD's14:57
DocScrutinizer05they? we!!!14:57
sixwheeledbeaster?14:57
DocScrutinizer05though, good idea actually: pester them till they get nightmares14:57
sixwheeledbeastYes. Exactly, but it has to be a solid community effort.14:58
sixwheeledbeastI think we have a community capable :)14:59
DocScrutinizer05then it's probably time to start a thread pointing to tablets-dev.nokia.com?15:00
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sixwheeledbeastWhen it was mentioned a while ago I didn't know if there was a plan, or want to mess up any HiFo negotiations15:02
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DocScrutinizer05I have no idea about HiFo negotiations and how they would get messed up by massive requests to Nokia about tablets-dev15:23
DocScrutinizer05I however wonder what goods Nokia is actually negotiating about. The maemo.org domain plus midgard?15:24
DocScrutinizer05I can't think of more stuff that was a possible subject to negotiations15:24
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DocScrutinizer05obviously the *relevant* vital stuff explicitly isn't subject to any negotiations15:25
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DocScrutinizer05I heard it's also "the website2 that gets negotiated about, but what the heck does that mean? the info in there is in the public domain anyway. and stuff like http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ is terribly obsolete and points to dead ends for all I can tell15:43
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DocScrutinizer05or has anybody finally managed to install SDK from http://developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html ?15:44
DocScrutinizer05I honestly doubt15:44
DocScrutinizer05same with http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/15:45
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android_808Is it usual for https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant to not show submitted package under fremantle build queue?15:49
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DocScrutinizer05probably not usual15:58
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android_808Good start.  I'll try it again later.16:00
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merlin1991I wonder WHY I have no css on the extras assistant16:01
android_808firefox?16:02
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android_808For me it decided to automatically block elements, little shield symbol by address bar16:03
android_808Found that out this morning before I started16:03
sixwheeledbeastmerlin1991: IIRC it's FF reaction to expired cert.16:05
sixwheeledbeastandroid_808: did you use the extras-assistant to upload?16:06
android_808sixwheeledbeast:yeah. Just tried it again and clicking move to queue makes it appear on the right side.  Any refreshing/page change seems to remove it.16:07
kolpHi DocScrutinizer05, I'm playing arounf with your charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh. It works well, and I'm wondering if there is a reason why it is limited to 500mA?16:07
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freemangordonmerlin1991: I have the same problem, iirc you (and me) should enable mixed content or something16:09
sixwheeledbeastandroid_808: seems issue with assistant then, tried scp?16:10
DocScrutinizer05kolp: the limit to 500mA is the special feature of this script over the charge21.sh of ShadowJK16:10
DocScrutinizer05LOL!  https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant --> "SEITE NICHT GEFUNDEN"16:11
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android_808sixwheeledbeast: I've got a mussorgsky fix lined up but lacking automatic optification at the moment. I could try pushing that to see if it is package specific16:12
android_808DocScrutinizer05: missing / at end16:13
DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/18/plasma-desktopts3389.png16:13
DocScrutinizer05android_808: you ran out of "/" ?16:13
android_808DocScrutinizer05: no, if you add / to end of https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant it works16:14
kolpDocScrutinizer05: right, thanks16:14
sixwheeledbeast:nod:16:14
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DocScrutinizer05[2014-01-18 14:49:29] <android_808> Is it usual for https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant to not show submitted package under fremantle build queue?16:14
android_808oops16:15
sixwheeledbeastandroid_808: if I am not mistaken fmg can reproduce?16:15
android_808sixwheeledbeast: reproduce?16:16
sixwheeledbeastoh maybe he meant css issue16:17
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sixwheeledbeastwhat package has the issue? cooktimer was updated not long ago so I guess something works. Probably scp.16:19
android_808rtmpdump-2.4+20121230.  Its almost idenitical to my version on TMO, but I've added maemo-optify to debian/rules instead of running maemo-optify-deb after.16:25
sixwheeledbeastandroid_808: there's nothing wrong with build queue then https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2014-January/154826.html16:32
sixwheeledbeastplus mussorgsky has just been built16:34
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android_808I literally wondered about that key so I added mussorgsky without it just before you posted that.  Will need to sort that out.  Thx for help.  Now time for some lunch16:35
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sixwheeledbeastandroid_808: np, oh this is worth a read if your working on mussorgsky http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6037416:42
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ZogG_laptopanyone can tell me where do i get n810 FW these days?20:16
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sixwheeledbeastZogG_laptop: probably the mystical maemo north-westerly wind ;)20:42
ZogG_laptop:(20:47
ZogG_laptopi got n810 as present few days ago20:47
ZogG_laptopwant to hard reset it20:47
ZogG_laptoptablet dev of nokia dead already :(20:48
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sixwheeledbeasthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemoi#Minor_winds20:52
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: didn't notice it been so loud21:18
sixwheeledbeastthe nw wind I presume?21:19
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DocScrutinizer05rather the tornado it caused21:24
DocScrutinizer05:-x21:24
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sixwheeledbeastmmm21:32
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, everybody gets his stuff while it's still "best before:"21:33
DocScrutinizer05as always: the future is ... uncertain21:34
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DocScrutinizer05https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-01-18.log.html#t2014-01-18T01:42:4621:37
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