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| antithesis_ | Can I install any package that's available for PCs using Debian, on a Maemo device? | 01:08 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | antithesis_: Do you mean install any Debian package in Maemo? | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the mystery of architecture and commandset | 07:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I guess "instructionset" is the right term | 08:03 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 11:01 |
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| Sicelo | hmm | 12:18 |
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| infobot | from memory, kerio is <sixwheeledbeast> ah kerio, you beauty | 12:33 |
| kerio | :3 | 12:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :P | 12:33 |
| kerio | infobot: freemangordon is a pretty cool guy | 12:33 |
| infobot | kerio: okay | 12:33 |
| kerio | ~freemangordon | 12:33 |
| infobot | [freemangordon] a pretty cool guy | 12:33 |
| kerio | infobot: no, freemangordon is a pretty cool guy. eh makes impossible things work and doesn't afraid of anything. | 12:34 |
| infobot | kerio: okay | 12:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | grammar "doesn't afraid" ? | 12:37 |
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| antithesis_ | Can I install any package that's available for PCs using Debian, on a Maemo device? | 13:30 |
| zGrr | Most of them at least. | 13:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the mystery of architecture and instructionset | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | none of them basically since PC uses X86 CPU instruction set and N900 has an ARM CPU | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you however can *compile* basically all of them for fremantle | 14:02 |
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| antithesis_ | zGrr I can change my window manager to ion3, use dmenu, bash scripts, and all of that shit? | 14:18 |
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| zGrr | antithesis_: you could - with chrooted debian. | 14:19 |
| Wizzup | if it is useful is another Q | 14:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | antithesis_: Ah your back | 14:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You need to port them | 14:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | antithesis_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Port_an_existing_Debian_package | 14:27 |
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| antithesis_ | sixwheeledbeast what about my back? | 14:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You vanished when you asked the first time.... | 14:36 |
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| antithesis_ | sixwheeledbeast you can rub my back if you want | 15:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | :S | 15:02 |
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| antithesis_ | Can Maemo be controlled completely by the keyboard, without generally using the touch screen? | 15:42 |
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| zammy | hello | 15:44 |
| zammy | how to get black colored xterm? | 15:44 |
| zammy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3y0CD2CoCs ← ahahahah | 15:46 |
| antithesis_ | Gotta love That Mitchell and Webb look. | 15:50 |
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| Gear__ | is there a way of running android apps under maemo? | 18:37 |
| Gear__ | this phone despite all the awesome as HELL hardware is getting pretty dated | 18:39 |
| darkschneider | hello Gear__ it is true, but you may consider an upgrade to a Neo900 | 18:40 |
| darkschneider | that will remove most of the "dated" from it ;) | 18:40 |
| Gear__ | yeah when that ever comes out | 18:41 |
| Gear__ | also I don't have a thousand dollars or whatever it costs | 18:41 |
| Gear__ | or a thousand euro | 18:41 |
| darkschneider | i quite trust we get it soon (i.e. less than a year) | 18:41 |
| Gear__ | that's great for people who can afford it | 18:41 |
| Gear__ | is there a working neo900 yet | 18:42 |
| darkschneider | and also the cost it not that high. Consider that it will be made decently, not like the n900 where chips come off.. when you have to fix sprint to your phone to make it work again, you relize that paying 100 more for having it properly manufactured it not bad... (consider that everybody times costs, and i spent a day fixing mine...) | 18:43 |
| Gear__ | is there a working neo900 yet | 18:43 |
| darkschneider | for updated new it's better to use #neo900 i do not want to say you incorrect things | 18:44 |
| darkschneider | new/news | 18:44 |
| Gear__ | at the moment I'm not interested thanks | 18:44 |
| darkschneider | :) | 18:44 |
| darkschneider | welcome :) | 18:44 |
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| Gear__ | but I'd love to see it once it's finished | 18:45 |
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| Gear__ | my first n900 is only just starting to get a bit beaten up, I have a second one I'm going to transfer my stuff to | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 18:50 |
| darkschneider | Doc Gear would like to know approximately when a Neo900 prototype will be around | 18:53 |
| Gear__ | there's a few android apps I want to run on my phone | 18:53 |
| darkschneider | Gear__: http://www.myriadgroup.com/device-solutions/device-software/myriad%20alien%20dalvik.aspx | 18:53 |
| darkschneider | but i do not think it suits your use case | 18:54 |
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| Gear__ | that doesn't seem to be a finished product | 18:55 |
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| Gear__ | it seems to be maemo or something totally inferior with the n900 | 18:57 |
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| Gear__ | does ubuntu work well yet? | 19:01 |
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| Gear__ | is there any decent alternative to maemo | 19:16 |
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| Ori_553 | is maemo dead after the n900? | 19:23 |
| nox- | ~neo900 | 19:23 |
| infobot | neo900 is probably at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ | 19:23 |
| Ori_553 | i saw the neo900, but its more a hobby cause, (a good idea of course), but apart of that? | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | Maemo has been a "hobby cause" for the last 3 years or something. | 19:25 |
| Ori_553 | true | 19:26 |
| darkschneider | sad :( nonetheless it's the best phone i ever had... and my gf envy it too | 19:27 |
| Ori_553 | its sad that there is so much potential in this operating system and people prefer to close they mind and buy the iphone so they dont have to think | 19:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | having never used an iphone much people look at me oddly when they pass me one and it takes minutes to something "I should know". Maemo is very intuitive IMHO. | 19:31 |
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| darkschneider | you forget that people do not like to think | 19:33 |
| Ori_553 | i bought a n900 3 weeks ago because of the keyboard, and its awesome, the only weak point is that maemo is dead and i found answers to my questions in dead forums, i felt like going back in time lol, but i love this gadget | 19:33 |
| thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: indeed; actually we are at the point whereby an iphone/droid can do almost everything you need to but (And its a huge but), you need to jump thru hoops to do the same... unfortunately i feel we are pass the point whereby these adjustments can be reversed | 19:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | thedead1440: agreed | 19:35 |
| darkschneider | here if you ask a kid around age 10 he will say: think == effort == bad. simple as that. Look at the games they play. Thye say "click here - good, you are great! - now click here - Hey you are soo good! you are a master"... and you never die or do wrong. Everyone is always a champion. Going with this from childhood, you get used that thinking is not a good think. Choice is evil. You must do what the phone tells you to do. Nothing diffe | 19:36 |
| darkschneider | rent. | 19:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ori_553: "dead forums"? *.maemo.org isn't dead | 19:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | neither is this channel | 19:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gaming has changed, people find "game over - start again" frustrating so removing the option to die makes sense to sell. | 19:40 |
| Ori_553 | sixwheeledbeast, maemo.org is not dead but we are almost in 2014 and the only users left are the passionate, in an os that doesnt seem to have a future apart from the neo900, thats what i meant, then of course the maemo community did some shoking work, i found almost everything i needed in that forum | 19:40 |
| Ori_553 | darkshneider couldn't agree more | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | <Ori_553> >>.. its awesome, the only weak point is that maemo is dead<< Says who? | 19:44 |
| Ori_553 | it makes me happy that you didnt like my statement, because i bought the n900 only recently | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 19:46 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 19:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maemo ISN'T dead | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems like last update is of ... err.. today? tomorrow? | 19:46 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: ^^^? :P | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe ubuntu is dead! ;-P Maemo jas 30,000 *active* users | 19:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | His PC was wet so no update yet | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has* | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL | 19:48 |
| Ori_553 | maybe youre right | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | his PC had wet dreams | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: comeon, it should be dry as a statue's ti*s by now :) | 19:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: Why he went for a walk in the rain with it is beyond me :) | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehehe | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | walk the PC | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | to show it the bad big world outside? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make it shit | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | retrieve a few CDs | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably much more fun to throw CDs rather than sticks | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | arfarfarf | 19:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 has his silly 5 minutes | 19:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seem somebody telling me "maemo is dead" has this effect on me | 19:52 |
| spaak | hi, relevant talk i think: http://streaming.media.ccc.de/saal2/native/hq/ | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I just talked with a merchantman who has a pretty good clue about IT and particularly PGP etc which he used since 1990. He might be interested in a few 1000 Neo900 | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | given somebody of his clients (or we) creates a cryptfs based system | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, I guess that should be supported ootb | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | I mean - kernel supports it | 19:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | puppy linux is for life not just for christmas :P | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yeah, sure :-> | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | we have a HW RNG too | 19:56 |
| Sicelo | (to sidetrack a bit.. can i use scratchbox on a machine with xfce wm?) | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wetware RNG: l#üp zirPOsd pvfgeuü | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 24#rg po reO | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WGÜ | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks buggy | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: what has WM to do with SB? you want to boot maemo? | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: you can use SB on every machine that has xterm, no? | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when you can install xephyr you even can run emu | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I guess he wants to boot the UI | 19:58 |
| Sicelo | don't know. just didn't want to get a wm, and end up with unuseable SB | 19:58 |
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| Sicelo | i want to set up the sdk.. but gnome has become bloated nowadays.. | 19:59 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: go ahed, it should not be related in any way | 19:59 |
| Sicelo | cool. thanks | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: SB is a cmdline "app" first approach | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, a bit of ncurses | 19:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | everything has become bloated these days | 19:59 |
| Sicelo | i do use gnome happily on my pc, but i don't want to have to download all it offers into my SB VM (following thp's instructions) | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | Everyone is so relieved and happy now, that Linux never adopted a "hw rng only" approach, but mixes hw rng output with other sources of rng | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: define "boot the UI" | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the simulator - hidon-desktop, etc | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | *hildon-desktop | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xephyr | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qemu | 20:01 |
| Sicelo | thanks for info :) | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | no, doesn't work, only 386 is ok | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't know | 20:02 |
| Ori_553 | is it fairly safe to install community update testing? ive installed the stable version and if i got it right its dates 2011 | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | noooooway | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Latest version: Testing(2013-10-27): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1 | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | Ori_553: the last -stable is some 6 months old | 20:02 |
| Sicelo | Ori_553: i'm on stable. happy | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next testing is sheduled for like 16h ago | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stable is... stable | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never get it why people start getting nervvous when there's no major update for 3 months. For me that's a good sign, given the maintainers still are taking care and simply don't think any update is needed | 20:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ori_553: 21.2011.38-1 is the last "Nokia" release 2011 Week 38. Everything CSSU related is after this | 20:05 |
| Ori_553 | when i go sttings/community SSU it says 2011, is that just the version of the updater? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: chem|st: how about weekly posts "no new bugs, all cool. Stay calm! $date" to CSSU changelog? | 20:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer: I agree but CSSU-S is long over due some fixes I have pointed out before | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I think there's at least one bugfix re AGPS that should go to CSSU-S | 20:07 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: today | 20:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and hildon-desktop bugs | 20:07 |
| Sicelo | new stable today? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if and when it's meanwhile sufficently tested | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: T | 20:07 |
| Sicelo | ok | 20:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no new testing soon | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: great. anyway, I was just pestering you :P | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: about walking in the rain | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't walk the PC for shitting when rain | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | there's such a thing as lan-partys | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | and sometimes it rains when you hit the dailight again | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | s/dai/day/ | 20:08 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: and sometimes it rains when you hit the daylight again | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: there are plastic bags. some say too many of them on this planet | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 20:09 |
| merlin1991 | in this particular case none were nearby and it was only the 20m from my car anyway | 20:10 |
| merlin1991 | but still better not risk it blowing up in my face with all the cssu .... stuff on it | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then why the heck bother about those 5 drops of H2O? | 20:10 |
| merlin1991 | because the case is quite open | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, hacker PC | 20:11 |
| merlin1991 | it has a huge 240 mm fan on top, shitloads of openings on the back and front ... | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, one of those where the "case" is the wire structure that holds the fans | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 240mm??? HECK my whole tower is no 24cm wide | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | it's the latest craze | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | watercooling radiator with 8 huge slow-turning fans | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UGGGH | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn boy, you got quite a geeky hightech heater | 20:13 |
| merlin1991 | nah | 20:13 |
| merlin1991 | but it's actually only 200mm I just measured it | 20:14 |
| ShadowJK | or 2 kilogram air heatsink :P | 20:14 |
| merlin1991 | 240 was a wild guess based on a double size "normal" fan :D | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, my tower is exactly 20cm wide | 20:14 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; it's kinda interesting, power consumption has almost halved since Pentium 4 days, but heatsink sizes have gone up by a factor of 5 or 10 | 20:15 |
| merlin1991 | ShadowJK: nobody likes the sound of a starting passenger jet under his/her desk anymore | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's because of intel's idiotic crappy thermal design | 20:15 |
| ShadowJK | I believe merlin more :P | 20:15 |
| ecc3g | eh... the stock heatsink have gotten smaller from p4 -> core ... | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't hear a sound from my tower | 20:16 |
| merlin1991 | but intels maybe not so great design still seems to work better than amds, at least if you compare average heatsink size :D | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | heh, yeah | 20:17 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: when all you do is run irc what sound do you expect from your tower? :p | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is intel limiting/throttling clockrate according to heat | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | You still hit max rates with the puny stock hsf | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: don't underestimate the amount of worker threads skynet places on this PC I pretend to live in | 20:19 |
| ShadowJK | Heck, my laptop seems to be able to run continously at 10Watts over the official TDP of the cpu | 20:19 |
| thedead1440 | doc lol | 20:19 |
| ecc3g | in fact i think my p4 stock heat sink is about twice as big as my c2q's and corei7 heatsinks... | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | My current c2q heatsink seems about the size of the motherboard | 20:21 |
| ecc3g | where are you reading power, is that system power? What computers give CPU-only power? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, you're right. load average: 0.19, 0.18, 0.23 | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is a joke for a quadcore | 20:21 |
| ShadowJK | ecc3g; haswell gives detailed power stats | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | package total power, memory controller, cpu cores, uncore, gpu | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get a decent PSU! | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 48°C | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | Haswell needs ATX psu capable of regulating 12V down to 0.05A load | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wonder why the heck there's no fan RPM | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin intel board | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GFX bios but no fan RPM in linux | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-P | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | poooh, not only GFX but actually also SOUND!!! | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes me headdesk each single time when the bios goes intel-DIDUNGDIDOONG | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | I'm glad I only touched the "bios" once on the pc, it got even harder to find the right settings with the fancy GFX interface | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: indeed! | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a major PITA | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bios for fools | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next version comes with pacman | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or supermario | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | I'd like one where they don't invent a new name for every single setting | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | it was almost like reading cisco docs | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | everything looks familiar but the names are off | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maketing BS | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this bios has a hidden "expert mode" that kicks you back into good'ole text bios with almost all the right names on it | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but what the heck are you doing here? shouldn't you treat your PC with a hairdryer? | 20:31 |
| merlin1991 | nah the pc is fine by now | 20:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders where's the fire started at this yeahs CCC | 20:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | year's | 20:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly checks maemo status | 20:32 | |
| merlin1991 | there was/is a fire there? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they always start fires somewhere in the intarnets | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe this year they got enough laptops and mobile phones locally to mess with | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all this year CCC will be largest ever | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by visitors | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and every single one of them brings either a laptop with WLAN or a phone with WLAN | 20:35 |
| Defiant | or both | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you got a LAN with 10000 devices to mess with, maybe the rest of the globe will not sufer this time | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or some smart hacker uses all 10k local devices to run DDoS against freenode or whatever they think is funny ;-P | 20:37 |
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| merlin1991 | tbh when I think about going to the ccc events I always think I shouldn't bring my devices, but only a pen and paper :D | 20:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | paper aeroplanes for e-mail? | 20:53 |
| t3st3r | there is RFC1149 already, guess paper airplanes can be some amendment/extension. | 20:55 |
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