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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: a-mail01:16
sixwheeledbeastsurely pe-mail?01:17
DocScrutinizer05b-mail, for "biological"?01:18
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ori553I have a question, I was looking at a page explaining how easy is to make a program for the n900 using qt creator, i was thinking, Is it possible to compile for different platforms aswell? like android or iphone01:49
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honestlycan I make the usb networking device have a fixed MAC?04:08
honestlyI guess I can.04:09
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Sicelofinally finished installing SB/SDK :)10:12
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Siceloa bit stuck now with step 12.1 & 12.2 in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_Text-based_Installer10:15
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zGrrmoin :)15:53
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DocScrutinizer05moin15:58
DocScrutinizer05LOL at self-made psychologists that tell me what I think/thought so I finally get to know about the weird evil mess in my own brain15:58
RST38hmourning, Doc15:59
DocScrutinizer05hi RST38h16:00
RST38hJust start every conversation with "What are you wearing today?"16:00
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DocScrutinizer05I just dunno what to answer to bullshit like >>Community Council so you cover yourself linking to fmg saying it (hey I didn't say it, just linking *wink wink*)?<<16:02
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solofightearlier i installed the usb host mode on my n900 and then i was not able to use my camera... when ever i opened camera it said operation failed or device not available...... so i uninstalled the usb host mode and restarted17:15
solofightnow my deivce keeps rebooting and i see the nokia logo again ang again and again17:15
solofightwhat do i do now ? how do i recover ?17:16
solofightkindly help ..17:16
solofighttomorrow is a big day for me and i need my mobile17:16
solofightguys ! ?17:20
solofightsomebody please help me17:23
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solofightis reflashing the device only way to us emy device again ?17:23
NIN101could this be bootloop?17:29
NIN101~bootloop17:29
infobotbootloop is probably when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.17:29
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solofightNIN101: so reflashing is th eonly option ? cant we reconstruct the filesystem ?17:36
solofightwill i loose all data inside my mobile ?17:36
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solofightNIN101: thanks for answering first of all17:36
solofighti read this manual http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Help-for-N900-that-randomly-reboot-and-that-have-stopped-booting/m-p/59394917:37
solofightand the download flasher link it says gives me a 40417:38
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NIN101~flashing17:39
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware17:39
NIN101assuming the fs is broken etc., reconstructing it would be quite difficult I assume. I would simply reflash. I am not sure whether you lose your phonebook, sms database etc., but MyDocs remains untouched.17:41
solofightNIN101: is this the correct video to follow for flashing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zvRjL-2cM17:43
solofight?17:43
NIN101I don't know, I would read this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware from start to end.17:43
solofightgot two video links from that page and didnt know which one to follow17:44
solofightsimilarly thre are two options under n900 in that pag....one is FIASCo which flashes and loads the rootfs alone and another says it flashes all 32 GB17:45
solofightso i need to follow the FIASCO - is my understanding right ?17:45
solofightjust want to be sure before doing something wrong - sorry of the question is too noobish17:45
solofightNIN101: ^17:45
NIN101yes, I would give rootfs/FIASCO a try.17:46
solofightNIN101: in the link you gave the download link for flasher gives me 404 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php17:51
solofightNIN101: you mean, i need to go for FIASCO because i need to retain the myDocs - right ?17:51
NIN101I said it would be very wise to read the wiki article from start to end, because I am not too familiar with this topic. There is also a link to a mirror mentioned in the article: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ :-). FIASCO because we are assuming a problem with your rootfs, and so there is no point in flashing EMMC or something.17:54
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solofightNIN101: oh ok17:58
solofightthank you17:58
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SAiFmuhahahaha19:25
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DocScrutinizer05solofight: you uninstalled powerkernel19:26
kerioaka no modules19:26
DocScrutinizer05solofight: I'm really surprised that nobody gave proper advice to just reflash powerkernel19:27
kerioDocScrutinizer05: doesn't help19:27
keriopower kerner is still flashed19:28
keriowhat's he missing are the modules19:28
keriohe could try to flash omap19:28
kerioif the omap modules are still there19:28
DocScrutinizer05the less I understand why NIN101 didn't suggest ~rescueos19:28
DocScrutinizer05or flash the default kernel, yes19:28
DocScrutinizer05or jusr use rescueos to see what modules are actually there, maybe install some sane modules, and then flash the matching kernel19:29
keriousing rescueos isn't exactly easy though19:29
DocScrutinizer05hmm19:29
kerioi mean, if you don't have a firm-ish grasp on what's going on19:30
DocScrutinizer05first and foremost I wonder why camera failed after flashing powerkernel19:30
NIN101rescueOS is suggested by the ~bootloop fuctinfo already. I also didn't know that powerkernel got uninstalled.19:30
NIN101s/fuctinfo/factinfo19:30
DocScrutinizer05shouldn't the proper camera drivers get insatlled with powerkernel?19:31
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kerioit should19:32
DocScrutinizer05ooh, there been this nasty dependency hell that requires either brute force, or uninstalling and reinstalling all camera apps that have a dependency to the drivers19:32
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DocScrutinizer05I really wonder if for this case the brute force (aka `mv`) variant wouldn't yield better UX19:33
DocScrutinizer05I mean, poor solofight19:34
DocScrutinizer05he just installed hostmode and got thoroughly screwed19:34
SAiFand I wonder who maintains host mode19:35
kerioit's a kernel thing19:35
kerioso pali/fmg?19:35
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DocScrutinizer05well, that's the question19:36
DocScrutinizer05*my* hostmode seems been stable since years19:36
keriomy hostmode works19:36
freemangordonwhat hostmode?19:36
DocScrutinizer05"my" as in "H-E-N"19:36
kerio"my" as in "Pali's"19:36
freemangordonyep, but what hostmode did he installed?19:37
DocScrutinizer05who knows19:37
kerioit's something he installed, so i assume it's H-E-N19:37
freemangordon*install19:37
freemangordonafaik h-e-n is maintained by mag19:37
keriosolofight: are you still around?19:37
SAiFlol19:37
freemangordonand is pretty much obsoleted by pali's HM19:37
freemangordonafaik19:37
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: basically yes, if h-e-n would need maintenance then that's mag19:38
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DocScrutinizer05I can't agree on the "obsolete"19:38
kerioalso, was he talking about camera-ui or about fcam?19:38
DocScrutinizer05pali's hm is based on pali's bme19:38
keriowell, not really19:39
freemangordoni suspect it is fcam19:39
kerioif it's fcam you need to reinstall fcamera-drivers19:39
freemangordonalso: " so i uninstalled the usb host mode and restarted"19:39
kerioor whatever the package is called19:39
freemangordonthat shouldn't happen19:39
DocScrutinizer05unless pali's hostmode19:39
freemangordonis HAM doing autoremove?19:40
DocScrutinizer05which probably uninstalls the whole kernel ;-P19:40
freemangordonyep, but why?19:40
DocScrutinizer05nfc19:40
DocScrutinizer05ask pali19:40
freemangordonhmm, it could be that KP was puled as a dependency19:40
freemangordon*pulled19:40
DocScrutinizer05yes19:40
DocScrutinizer05exactly19:40
keriothat's why you don't put kernel dependencies in dpkg19:40
kerioespecially when dpkg can't exactly affect the kernel itself19:41
freemangordonkerio: there is kernel-feature... dependency only, afaik19:41
DocScrutinizer05that's why H-E-N afaik doesn't have such dependency and rather does check for a kernel property and even a runtime flag19:41
DocScrutinizer05kernel feature that is19:42
freemangordonhmm, I guess KP can check in pre-remove script and fail to uninstall if it is the currently flashed kernel19:42
DocScrutinizer05and I bet o┬┤pali's hostmode is depending on pali's bme for boost19:43
freemangordoniirc that is not the case19:43
freemangordonI have it installed, but no BME replacement on my "production" device19:43
DocScrutinizer05so how does it work at all?19:43
freemangordonno idea :D19:44
DocScrutinizer05haha19:44
kerioDocScrutinizer05: not quite BME replacement19:44
keriojust the bq24k module iirc19:44
freemangordonI trust Pali. Most of the time :D19:44
DocScrutinizer05bq24k replacement IS bme19:44
kerionope19:44
freemangordonkerio: yes19:44
keriobme replacement is the HAL module and the temp thing19:44
DocScrutinizer05you can't run bme with a bq24150 module loaded19:45
freemangordonkerio: no, it is ^^^ AND kernel modules19:45
keriowell yeah, but they're preinstalled with kernel-power19:45
keriojust not loaded19:45
freemangordon:nod:19:45
DocScrutinizer05that's fubar19:45
DocScrutinizer05KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure (by causing bme to segfault and cause reboot) when loaded19:47
DocScrutinizer05no matter if loaded by default or not19:48
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: you can't modprobe bq modules19:48
freemangordonthey are disabled19:48
DocScrutinizer05then why the heck they are there?19:49
freemangordonyou can insmod them ;)19:49
DocScrutinizer05and how the heck is pali's hostmode using them nevertheless?19:49
keriostop bme && insmod19:49
freemangordontoldya NFC19:49
kerioif needed19:49
DocScrutinizer05KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure (by causing bme to segfault and cause reboot) when loaded19:49
freemangordonI wouldn't say a reboot is "catastrophic system failure"19:50
DocScrutinizer05it definitely is19:50
freemangordonthen we should remove "reboot" command either19:50
DocScrutinizer05BS19:50
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freemangordonwhen you insmod a module as root, it is your responcibility to RTFM19:51
DocScrutinizer05aha19:51
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kerioKP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure like kexec19:52
keriothat stuff stops the whole kernel!19:52
freemangordon:D19:52
freemangordonand actually doesn;t work19:52
freemangordonafaik19:52
DocScrutinizer05go find some other fool to troll19:52
kerioyou're trolling us doc19:52
DocScrutinizer05FU!19:52
kerioyou're actually claiming that it's better for some modules that *are part of the kernel tree* to be shipped separately19:53
freemangordonhow nice :(19:53
keriowith all the issues that come from having to keep the versions in check19:53
keriorather than keep them disabled19:53
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keriofor... what?19:54
keriopreventing people from making bme crash by doing "insmod bq24k.ko" as root?19:54
DocScrutinizer05go fix that hostmode shit!19:55
DocScrutinizer05or I kick it form repo19:55
kerioif it's pali's hostmode, it's not in the repos19:55
kerioif it's pali's bme, it's not in the repos19:55
kerioactually no, i think pali's usbmode is in the repos19:56
kerioeyup, extras-devel19:56
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: you *CANNOT* kick packages from repos by your liking19:56
freemangordonesp when it comes to extras-devel19:56
keriothe same place that holds speedpatch19:56
DocScrutinizer05a package that kills system on uninstall qualifies for kick even from extras-devel19:57
freemangordonno19:57
freemangordonthat is not correct19:57
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freemangordonextras-devel is the place that holds all kind of packages19:58
cehtehi'd suggest some 'archived' or 'obsolete' repo to quarantine packages which seen to be not needed anymore19:58
keriocehteh: how do you figure out what's old, tho?19:58
cehtehjust ask the Doc :)19:58
freemangordonhehe19:58
freemangordonso, we move those from extras-devel straight to the trash can?19:59
DocScrutinizer05I gonna +q * when you try to continue trolling this chan and me further19:59
cehtehwell for example, all XBMC remotes packages dont work with current XBMC iirc, some other packages never got fully functional or are replaced by better stuff *AND* are abadoned19:59
DocScrutinizer05honestly, maemo is not your dandbox to ruin user experience20:00
DocScrutinizer05sandbox even20:00
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: dammit, the exact purpose of extras-devel it to hold "dangerous" packages, and it's been like that for ages.20:01
freemangordonor at least since I have n90020:01
DocScrutinizer05dammit, do you think solofight gives a flying F?20:01
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: the problem is that there are both cases that may ruin user experience .. presence of a ugly package is as bad as removing a package just a few people find useful20:01
cehtehand abadoned packages w/o a maintainer get bitrot too20:02
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: smile, we have a new -testing :)20:02
DocScrutinizer05there's a clear rule that dangerous packages get removed from extras repos when they do instant damage20:02
DocScrutinizer05from ALL repos20:02
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: 'not working' anymore isnt dangerous, but still ruins the user experience20:03
DocScrutinizer05rendering system broken fubar on uninstall qualifies for this classification20:03
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I am not arguing there is not problem with Pali's hostmode package20:03
freemangordon*no20:04
cehtehanyway .. my n900 is still broken, i dont have the patience to try another delicate repair attempt yet ..20:04
DocScrutinizer05cehteh: I'm not talking about "ugly package", I'm talking about a package that nukes your device to the point where reflash needed, when uninstalling the package20:05
kerioyou mean like kernel-power?20:05
DocScrutinizer05that's about as evil as a package that nukes your system on install20:05
SAiFso you guess its palis hostmode, since palis not around..20:05
SAiFdont shoot.20:05
freemangordonSAiF: no20:05
SAiFjust kidding20:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: stop trolling! last warning20:05
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DocScrutinizer05KP has a clear instruction that you CANNOT uninstall kernels20:06
freemangordonwe guess it is as it pulls KP as a dependency20:06
freemangordonSAiF: ^^^20:06
DocScrutinizer05and I WILL shoot on next kidding, I'm pissed20:06
freemangordonkerio: actually this IS a problem in KP20:07
DocScrutinizer05poor fella solofight has a broken system, needs his device tomorrow and you are joking20:07
keriosolofight left, wtf are we supposed to do20:07
freemangordonkerio: it shouldn't allow to be uninstalled20:07
DocScrutinizer05he left?20:07
SAiFno. away20:08
keriohe's afk, i assume20:08
solofightkerio: DocScrutinizer05 : yes am here20:08
DocScrutinizer05you are assuming, OH GREAT20:08
kerioyay20:08
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: comeon20:08
keriosolofight: what hostmode did you install?20:08
thedead1440there is nothing better to watch on #maemo than an angry doc in full flow :D20:08
solofightso you guys suggest i install some modules "power kernel" and try rebooting again ?20:08
SAiFthe epic question20:08
solofightor is flashing the only way ?20:08
freemangordonsolofight: you may try to flash the omap kernel20:09
freemangordononly the kernel20:09
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freemangordonsolofight: do you have flasher and FIASKO downloaded?20:09
DocScrutinizer05solofight: please first answer a few questions so we can suggest the right means to help you out20:10
DocScrutinizer05what exactly did you install?20:10
solofightkerio: i installed both "h-e-n" and "host mode gui" if i remember right20:11
solofightfirst hen thinking that it will give me GUI to switch, understood its console based and then installed the host mode gui20:11
DocScrutinizer05H-E-N is safe20:11
DocScrutinizer05and it's not console based20:12
DocScrutinizer05hostmode gui though seems to be buggy20:12
DocScrutinizer05prolly that's pali's hostmode20:12
DocScrutinizer05and it somehow ruined your system20:12
freemangordonsolofight: do you have extras-devel repo enabled?20:13
solofightDocScrutinizer05: oh ! after installing hen i saw a nokia power kernel icon on the menu -- which when clicked gives me some warning even before the app starts so i always quit without touching anything20:13
solofightfreemangordon: i think so20:13
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: seems h-e-n pulls KP too20:13
solofightfreemangordon: this gives me 404 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php20:14
solofightso going for the mirror now20:14
DocScrutinizer05solofight: H-E-N depends on a hostmode enabled kernel, but it doesn't autoinstall such kernel but simply tells you to do that under your control20:14
DocScrutinizer05iirc20:14
solofightoh20:14
freemangordonsolofight: use the alternative site20:14
freemangordon~flashing20:15
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware20:15
solofightholey moly - there are so many versions ! http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/   which one should i download ? back of the display it says Made in finland and the phone is purchased in Australia i think20:15
solofighti am the second owner20:16
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: hostmode gui is not pali's hostmode20:16
SAiFWhich os you use on PC20:16
DocScrutinizer05solofight: get global20:16
ShadowJKglobal, not emmc, newest date20:16
keriohostmode-gui is H-E-N20:16
solofightSAiF: win720:16
SAiFnm20:16
freemangordonoh20:16
freemangordonsolofight: 64 bit?20:17
solofightyes20:17
merlin1991solofight: GLOBAL release should always work20:17
freemangordonmerlin1991: win7 64bit, does flasher work?20:18
merlin1991yes if you follow the hacks on the wiki20:18
SAiFyou hve to use workaround20:18
freemangordonok20:18
merlin1991i.e the libusb in the directory works great20:18
solofightSo il download the one with the notes "Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900" - is that correct ?20:18
freemangordonyes20:18
solofightOMG its 191 MB20:19
DocScrutinizer05or get pr131 right away20:19
DocScrutinizer05~pr13120:19
infobotfrom memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  or  http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin20:19
keriofwiw downloading 191MB to flash just the kernel is silly20:19
DocScrutinizer05rrrright20:19
keriohe could find a place to download just that first20:19
keriomaybe that'll work20:19
solofightETA is 7 hours with my shitty internet con :(20:19
DocScrutinizer05but he will prolly flash anyway20:20
DocScrutinizer05in the end20:20
freemangordonkerio: and how's he supposed to unpack a deb on win7?20:20
SAiFhuh?20:20
SAiFthe flasher20:20
solofightits downloading a .bin file20:20
Sicelo7-zip on win unpacks debs20:20
solofightis that ok ?20:20
DocScrutinizer05yes20:20
solofightDocScrutinizer05: yes for me ?20:21
DocScrutinizer05yes20:21
keriofreemangordon: peazip?20:21
freemangordonSicelo: I know, but the point is that solofight doesn;t seem experienced enough with debs and such to torture him :)20:21
SAiFwhy do you want to unpack it/20:22
freemangordonSAiF: do get the kernel to be flashed20:22
DocScrutinizer05to flash --kernel-only20:22
freemangordon:nod:20:22
SAiFo.O20:22
keriohttp://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 btw20:22
freemangordonkerio: good boy :)20:22
SAiFgonna be a long night then.20:22
DocScrutinizer05:-D20:22
kerioalternatively i can grab the fiasco image20:23
SAiFGood luck solofight20:23
freemangordonsolofight: download what kerio posted20:23
keriodon't20:23
freemangordonkerio: hmm?20:23
keriodownload http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-20103103%2b0m5.fiasco20:23
DocScrutinizer05wut?20:23
freemangordonkerio: anyway20:23
kerioand just flash dat shit20:23
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you made a kernel-only fiasco?20:24
kerioit's the one in the `kernel` package20:24
DocScrutinizer05:nod:20:24
kerioon-device kernel updates are shipped via fiasco and flashed via flasher/softupd20:24
keriothe non-fiasco images are just for uboot, pretty much20:25
solofightSAiF: downloading both firmware and what kiero posted20:25
freemangordonkerio: actually you can flash zimage20:25
kerioyeah20:25
keriobut flashing a fiasco is similar to flashing the whole firmware20:25
freemangordonsolofight: download what kerio posted (the second one),20:25
solofightkerio: should i download the first link you agve or the latest ?20:25
freemangordonkerio: :nod:20:25
solofightok20:25
keriosolofight: it's irrelevant, the first you flash with -k, the second you flash with -F20:26
solofightoh ok20:26
solofightwhich one should i download in this http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/20:26
solofight?20:26
kerioto be completely fair you shouldn't download either, you can't know that i didn't put a rootkit or something in there ;)20:27
solofightWinFlasher_3.12.1.exe ??20:27
freemangordonsono: no20:27
solofightthat one ?20:27
keriomaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe20:27
solofightkerio: root kits work on windows 7 ??20:27
freemangordonmaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe20:27
keriosolofight: no, for your n90020:27
SAiFmaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.220:27
kerio...also, sure, why not?20:27
kerioload a malicious driver, it's pretty much the same thing as loading a rootkit on linux20:28
solofightoh20:28
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I don't think solofight has a sense for this sort of jokes20:28
DocScrutinizer05solofight: you download http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-20103103%2b0m5.fiasco or http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 whatever you already started. Same time you continue downloading that 191MB fiasco file20:30
DocScrutinizer05and flasher-3.5 for your flavor of PC OS20:30
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DocScrutinizer05the acehack.de stuff shall be in the 191MB fiasco as well, but we want to take a shortcut that doesn't take 7h for you to continue20:31
DocScrutinizer05later on when the 191MB fiasco DL finsihes, you can compare if it has same kernel as the acehack.de stuff20:32
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solofighthave downloaded zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco20:32
DocScrutinizer05great20:32
solofightdownloading the maemo-flasher and the 191 mb file20:32
DocScrutinizer05good20:32
kerioflasher-3.5.exe -F that/zImage.fiasco -f -R20:32
solofightkerio: where should i type that ?20:33
DocScrutinizer05first check the USB stuff20:33
SAiFand this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=2020:33
keriooh right, windows x6420:33
DocScrutinizer05yep20:34
DocScrutinizer05see what SAiF provided20:36
DocScrutinizer05sounds sane to a windows noob like me20:36
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solofightso i need to first do this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=2020:37
DocScrutinizer05solofight: so you also need to download that http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/ stuff as of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=2020:37
solofightthen do this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows20:37
solofightis it right >20:37
solofight?20:37
DocScrutinizer05it's needed to make flasher-3.5 work on 64bit win20:37
DocScrutinizer05yes20:37
solofightbut the libusb is avail only for 32 bit ?20:38
DocScrutinizer05well, after you got http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 done, wait for instructions from kerio or freemangordon20:38
DocScrutinizer05solofight: no, that is a 32bit lib for 64bit win20:38
SAiFsolofight, its the name20:38
DocScrutinizer05compatibility20:38
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I can't help much with win7, I refuse to touch that sh*t :D20:38
DocScrutinizer05same here20:39
freemangordondespite I am on still XP20:39
DocScrutinizer05the flasher works the same though, afaik20:39
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: have a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post84998020:39
freemangordonok20:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sounds sane20:40
DocScrutinizer05NFC about "cmd, run as admin" shit20:40
freemangordonright-click, "run as" I guess20:41
SAiFyes20:41
DocScrutinizer05sth like that20:41
freemangordonthough I am not sure there is "administrator" account in win720:41
DocScrutinizer05UAE?20:41
freemangordonso I have NFC what "admin" user is supposed to mean20:41
freemangordon~uae20:42
infobotSoftware emulation of the hardware of theCommodore Amiga 500/1000/2000. URL: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/~uae/20:42
freemangordonhmm?20:42
DocScrutinizer05nah, dunno20:42
DocScrutinizer05with win7 M$ invented that "everybody is admin, everybody needs to answer yes" requester stuff20:42
SiceloUAC20:42
solofightkerio: is it possible for you to list the instructions that i need to follow in order please ? the 191 mb file is giving me several hours to download...20:43
kerioflasher-3.5.exe -F zImage.fiasco -f -R20:43
kerioplug the turned-off n900 in20:43
DocScrutinizer05kerio: that's not "in order"20:43
keriowhile holding "u" on the keyboard20:43
keriowhy not?20:43
DocScrutinizer05kerio: he first needs to open a dosbox20:43
keriooh god D:20:44
keriowin+r `cmd`20:44
SAiFopen the door,20:44
keriothen...20:44
kerioidk, is flasher in the path?20:44
freemangordonkerio: yep, and fiasko image name you gave is wrong. We talk windoze user here ;)20:44
SAiFget in the car..20:44
DocScrutinizer05SAiF: lease stop it20:44
SAiFok20:44
kerioso20:44
keriowhere's flasher-3.5.exe usually installed?20:44
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SAiFit will be asked while nstalling20:45
freemangordonunder XP it is in Start Menu->Programs->Maemo->Maemo Flasher 3.520:45
solofightfreemangordon: yeah, you were saying a name wirh ARM in it20:45
SAiFmostly in program files64  i guess20:45
DocScrutinizer05PLEASE!!! don't tell solofight to start flasher-3.5 from menu!20:45
freemangordonit MUST start it from there20:46
freemangordon*he20:46
DocScrutinizer05o.O20:46
freemangordonas it sets up the environment for the flasher20:46
freemangordonand opens a cmd promt in the correct directory20:46
kerioreally? :O20:46
freemangordonreally20:46
* Sicelo is also surprised.. 20:47
SAiFyes. thats correct.20:47
DocScrutinizer05afaik it also closes that cmd promt immediately after flasher quits20:47
freemangordonyou don;t have %path% to the flasher executable20:47
freemangordonno, it opens cmd.exe20:47
freemangordonyou have to type flasher3.5 by hand :)20:47
DocScrutinizer05o.O20:47
* solofight is dozing off...20:47
Siceloi don't recall ever seeing Maemo on XP start menu.. then again, ran flasher on windows only once20:48
DocScrutinizer05so... solofight still waiting what to do20:48
solofightwill set an alarm after the download gets over, will come here to read the instructions and perform the same20:48
solofightis that ok ?20:48
keriosolofight: wait, have you downloaded the first file?20:48
keriowe can save your n900 right now20:48
kerioi mean, try20:48
solofightkerio: currently the 191mb file is going on, remaining two is over20:49
freemangordonsoltys: pause that big one20:49
freemangordonoops20:49
DocScrutinizer05why pause it?20:49
kerionah, keep it going if this fails20:49
DocScrutinizer05yes20:49
freemangordonI got it wrong :)20:49
kerio*in case this fails20:49
freemangordonsolofight: did you do the instructions here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 ?20:50
DocScrutinizer05please explain solofight what to do next20:50
freemangordonsolofight: did you install the flasher?20:50
solofightfreemangordon: on it now20:50
DocScrutinizer05:-)20:51
freemangordonflasher?20:51
DocScrutinizer05he's about to do the http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post84998020:51
freemangordonok20:51
solofightand by the way looks like i already have downloaded this libusb-win32-src-0.1.12.1.tar.gz20:51
solofightis this something of interest to us ?20:51
SAiF.tar.gz?20:51
DocScrutinizer05yes, you need that for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post84998020:52
DocScrutinizer05oops20:52
solofightok20:52
DocScrutinizer05dunno about tar.gz20:52
freemangordonhmm, it says "zip" in the post20:52
DocScrutinizer05yes20:52
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SAiFits a zip20:52
Siceloi think he downloaded source files.. :-/20:53
freemangordonyeah :(20:53
freemangordonsolofight: get this http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/files/latest/download20:53
DocScrutinizer05what freemangordon said20:54
freemangordonsolofight: and extract it somewhere on your PC20:54
solofightwhen i do the 3rd step, i see the nokia logo with the backlight and the usb icon on the top right - is it correct ?20:55
freemangordonyes20:55
solofightand nothing happens - i am waiting20:55
freemangordonyes20:55
freemangordonget the ^^^ zip and extract it somewhere20:55
DocScrutinizer05it has the  inf-wizard.exe20:56
freemangordonyep20:56
solofightam downloading the libusb .zip package now20:57
solofightand by the way its very bad that the device will not charge in this stage !20:57
solofighti dont have anybody else here who owns a n90020:57
DocScrutinizer05in bin\inf-wizard.exe20:57
DocScrutinizer05solofight: then don't operate it too long in that state20:58
DocScrutinizer05and the battery is compatible with a number of other phones, e.g. nokia 5800 IIRC20:59
Sicelosolofight: N900 uses same battery as a couple of other Nokia20:59
DocScrutinizer05:-P20:59
SAiFby the way, One question solofight: have you installed Nokia PC suite o this machne?20:59
DocScrutinizer05faster ;-)20:59
Sicelo:p20:59
solofightit gave me installation successfull as per this link http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=2021:00
solofightnow what ?21:00
DocScrutinizer05great!21:00
solofightSAiF: yes21:00
freemangordonsolofight: what is that, inf-wizard.exe?21:00
SAiFoops21:00
solofightfreemangordon: yes21:01
freemangordonsolofight: follow the next steps then21:01
DocScrutinizer05SAiF: :nod:21:01
SAiFwait21:01
solofightnext step is this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows ???21:01
freemangordon"Check Windows Device Manager for "libusb-win32 devices", expand and verify "Nokia N900 (Update Mode)" can be found."21:01
freemangordonis it there?21:01
solofightyes21:02
solofightyes21:02
freemangordonok21:02
freemangordonnow go to:21:02
SAiFIIRC you have to stop one service 'which I dont remember' for the flashing to be succesful.21:02
SAiFI may be wrong21:02
SAiFyou may continue freemangordon21:02
freemangordonsolofight: "Start Menu->Programs->Maemo->Maemo Flasher 3.5"21:02
DocScrutinizer05yeah, some stuff of nokia suite is conflicting21:02
solofightfreemangordon: yes21:02
solofightdone21:02
freemangordonand start "Maemo Flasher 3.5"21:02
freemangordonyou should have a command prompt after that21:03
solofightfreemangordon: i have a dos window like screen infront of me now21:03
freemangordongreat!21:03
solofightit is inside the flasher-3.5 directory21:03
solofightcan i pull the battery from the phone to save power now or should it stay on ?21:03
freemangordonsolofight: no, from windows explorer, copy the .fiasco file to that directory21:03
freemangordondon;t21:03
DocScrutinizer05yes, sure21:04
freemangordonno,21:04
DocScrutinizer05err,21:04
freemangordonwe are 1 step away from flashing21:04
DocScrutinizer05ok, then not21:04
freemangordonsolofight: from windows explorer, copy the .fiasco file to that directory21:04
freemangordonand run:21:04
freemangordon"flasher-3.5.exe -f -F zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco -R"21:04
freemangordonwithout quotes21:04
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: he can remove battery during doing that21:04
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DocScrutinizer05instead of watzching phone bootloop21:05
freemangordonit is in update mode21:05
DocScrutinizer05(during copying that is)21:05
freemangordonit is not bootlooping21:05
DocScrutinizer05and I's first test if flasher works at all21:05
freemangordonstop it, please21:06
solofightfreemangordon: it says flashing done21:06
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SAiFo.O21:06
DocScrutinizer05wow! :-)21:06
freemangordonhe has nokia n900 update mode in device manager21:06
DocScrutinizer05ooh21:06
DocScrutinizer05missed that21:06
keriosolofight: it should be booting right now21:06
freemangordonsolofight: did it reboot?21:06
solofightyes and now i see the charging led glowing21:06
freemangordonthe device that is21:06
freemangordonok21:06
kerioglowing or pulsating?21:06
solofightshould is  try and start the device nwo ?21:07
solofightnow*21:07
solofightpulsating21:07
freemangordonit should be booting right noe21:07
freemangordon*now21:07
DocScrutinizer05let it sit like this21:07
keriook, it's saved21:07
solofightyellow - which means its charging right ?21:07
kerioish21:07
DocScrutinizer05yes21:07
keriolet it wait a bit21:07
keriothen turn it on21:07
DocScrutinizer05wait til LED green21:07
DocScrutinizer05may take an hour21:07
freemangordonfrom NOLO?21:07
keriofreemangordon: he said pulsating21:07
kerioso bme21:07
DocScrutinizer05:nod:21:07
DocScrutinizer05device already in act_dead21:08
freemangordonsolofight: oh, wait, connect it to wall charger21:08
solofightok i pressed the power button and its booting now.... i see the nokia hands logo and sound21:08
DocScrutinizer05or that21:08
freemangordonsolofight: you're saved :)21:08
kerio"let it sit" = "ok i pressed the power button"21:08
solofightnow i see the datee and time setting screen21:08
SAiFgreat21:08
keriooh you21:08
solofightkerio: i pressed it before i read your message - sorry21:08
freemangordonkerio: come on, windows user, what do you expect :P21:08
DocScrutinizer05solofight: no problem21:09
freemangordonsame like me21:09
solofightgod damn it - the device is on :D21:09
Sicelowhy should god damn it? :p21:09
solofightnow its asking me pc suite or mass storage - if i give pc suite, then i can sync all my data back to the device right ?21:09
solofightor its already there ?21:09
SAiFwell truly that was quicker than i thought.21:09
DocScrutinizer05fine. Seems I can go for dinner now21:10
freemangordonit is there21:10
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freemangordonsolofight: nothing is lost on your device21:10
Sicelonothing was lost solofight :)21:10
solofightwow, even the camera works now21:10
freemangordonsolofight: even the camera should beworking21:10
solofightyou guys are awesome.....21:10
solofightthank you all so very much21:10
freemangordonsolofight: no, go to HAM...21:10
DocScrutinizer05solofight: you could install powerkernel and get the cameradrivers working as well21:11
solofightkerio: freemangordon DocScrutinizer05 SAiF: you guys made my day21:11
DocScrutinizer05yw21:11
solofightyou guys rock21:11
SAiF:)21:11
freemangordon*AND DISABLE* extras-testing and extras-devel repos21:11
kerioyou still have no hostmode tho21:11
freemangordonkerio: and it is better that way21:11
DocScrutinizer05particularly extras-testing!21:12
solofightwhat is that fiasco file anyways ?21:12
DocScrutinizer05nobody ever wants extras-testing repo, unless s/he's a teter21:12
DocScrutinizer05tester even21:12
freemangordonsolofight: kernel fiasco image21:12
freemangordon~fiasco21:12
infobotL4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/21:12
DocScrutinizer05solofight: that is for complete reflash21:12
solofightwhat we just did is punch in the main kernel alone and it picked up ?21:12
freemangordonWTF21:12
freemangordonsolofight: yep21:12
freemangordonsomething like that21:13
DocScrutinizer05solofight: I suggest you complete that download anyway21:13
DocScrutinizer05of the 191MB fiasco21:13
solofightDocScrutinizer05: yes, just resumed21:13
DocScrutinizer05eventually you might need it21:13
solofightso is it now safe to install and uninstall the hen without problem to my camera and phone ?21:14
DocScrutinizer05solofight: first install recent powerkernel21:14
DocScrutinizer05~pk21:14
infobotAn Open-Source POSIX Threads embedded real-time kernel. URL: http://www.cornfed.com/pk/21:14
SAiFgoodnite all21:14
DocScrutinizer05~kp21:14
infobotkp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8982321:14
DocScrutinizer05installing powerkernel is the relevant part to enable hostmode, and it's this kernel change that causes temporary problems with camera21:15
DocScrutinizer05problems with camera can get solved21:15
kerioalso, which camera stopped working?21:15
keriothe standard one, or fcam?21:15
DocScrutinizer05uninstalling powerkernel is strictly NOGO. You install stock kernel to get rid of powerkernel21:16
solofightstandard one21:16
DocScrutinizer05kerio: aiui KP cam module kills all cam apps21:17
DocScrutinizer05rather, the lack of this module21:17
solofightif its that dangerous then powerkernel should not get uninstalled when i try to uninstall the hostmode right ?21:17
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DocScrutinizer05err driver21:17
DocScrutinizer05right21:17
DocScrutinizer05it shouldn't try to uninstall kernels ever21:18
solofightDocScrutinizer05: this gives 404 http://www.cornfed.com/pk/21:18
DocScrutinizer05and afaik H-E-N never did and doesn't21:18
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DocScrutinizer05umm, is that from the KP thread?21:18
solofightDocScrutinizer05: so i follow this to install a powerkernel http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 ???21:19
freemangordonsolofight: install it from the application manager21:19
solofightand whats the difference between a normal kernal and a power kernel by the way ?21:19
freemangordonsolofight: lots of21:19
freemangordondifferences that is21:20
DocScrutinizer05solofight: KP has stuff like hostmode support and whatnot else21:20
solofightfreemangordon: the name of the package will be kernel-power-flasher right ?21:20
solofightor i can do a sudo gainroot and then do apt-get kernel-power-flasher21:20
solofightcorrect ?21:20
DocScrutinizer05NO!21:20
freemangordonsolofight: use application manager21:20
freemangordon!!!21:20
DocScrutinizer05kernel-power is one of the packages that NEED HAM21:21
Sicelo(i been installing it with apt-get since KP47. of course, i wouldnt suggest it at all for solofight)21:22
solofightfreemangordon: whatst the package name in application manager ?21:22
DocScrutinizer05solofight: sudo gainroot and then do apt-get kernel-power-flasher  is exactly what gives you a situation like we just saved you from21:22
solofight:P21:22
solofightok21:22
solofightwhats the package name that i need to look for in the application manager21:23
solofight?21:23
DocScrutinizer05Kernel for powerusers21:23
DocScrutinizer05something like that21:23
DocScrutinizer05search for "kernel"21:23
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solofightok thank you21:24
DocScrutinizer05you know searching works via keyboard in HAM?21:24
solofightok21:24
solofightwill do once i get to a wifi zone21:24
solofightthank you all for the timely help21:24
solofightHAM ?21:24
DocScrutinizer05~HAM21:24
infobot[ham] Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does21:24
solofightAM = application manager21:24
solofight?21:24
solofightgot it21:25
solofighti usually use the "faster application manager" for installing and uninstalling21:25
solofightits not recommended ?21:25
DocScrutinizer05yeah, another way to break your system when you dare to use fapman for KP install :-)21:26
DocScrutinizer05~fapman21:26
infobotfapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated21:26
Sicelo:P21:26
solofighti actually enabled testing and dev to fing the cateroise plus app... my menu is cluttered with so many icons now21:26
Sicelohmm, looks like you install everything you meet :)21:26
solofight:P21:26
DocScrutinizer05never enable extras-testing repo!21:26
kerioif it makes you feel any better, there's pretty much nothing you can do to truly break a n90021:27
DocScrutinizer05there#s nothing in extras-testing for you21:27
kerio(via software)21:27
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kerioexcept maybe overclocking21:27
solofighthow do you guys manage your menu items ? cant we organize it in custom groups ?21:27
solofightlike games, office_tools, social ...etc ?21:27
* kerio uses terminal, web and xchat21:27
kerioand also sometimes phone21:27
DocScrutinizer05solofight: I don't like catorize, I use apmefo which is kinda same21:27
DocScrutinizer05but has pretty convenient custom groups, and you even can have same icon in several concurrent groups21:28
DocScrutinizer05anyway both catorize and apmefo break when you drag&move the icons in appstarter directly21:29
DocScrutinizer05so don't try this21:29
solofightoh21:29
solofightok21:30
solofightthank you21:30
solofightwill try21:30
DocScrutinizer05in apmefo you can arrange icons in the apmefo config gui, by moving them up/down in the list21:30
keriobreak as in?21:30
DocScrutinizer05kerio: HD nukes the custom dirs of apmefo21:30
keriooh21:30
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't know of submenus21:30
kerioso it's "broken" until you actually reapply the settings21:30
DocScrutinizer05yes, you can open apmefo settings and save21:31
DocScrutinizer05and everything back to normal21:31
DocScrutinizer05but that sucks21:31
DocScrutinizer05particularly since you have a hard time finding the icon of apmefo to start it ;-)21:31
DocScrutinizer05when the complete appstarter is messed up21:32
DocScrutinizer05in MHD/CSSU you can lock/disable icon dragging in appstarter21:33
DocScrutinizer05iirc21:33
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DocScrutinizer05solofight: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/Screenshot-20131228-203356.png21:38
DocScrutinizer05first row of 5 are submenus21:39
Sicelowhat is bq27k monitor?21:43
SiceloDocScrutinizer05: ^^21:44
DocScrutinizer05bq27200.sh in a xterm21:45
Sicelook.21:45
DocScrutinizer05kinda like mc21:46
DocScrutinizer05which also just opens a shell with mc21:46
Siceloirssi, htop, etc ;)21:48
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ooh, FAM, that is why KP got uninstalled :(21:49
DocScrutinizer05yep21:53
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