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| natsukao | hi | 09:45 |
| natsukao | have you busybox for Android 4.1 ? | 09:46 |
| natsukao | i am searchin the binary | 09:46 |
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| qwazix | my brother's N900 fails flashing during something CMT related (different every time) and half of the times it doesn't boot (I have to take out the battery, press the power button and insert the battery with the button depressed) | 12:45 |
| qwazix | and it also shows all telephony functions are disabled | 12:45 |
| qwazix | I guess there's no hope... | 12:45 |
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| ShadowJK | Sounds like classical modem failure | 12:59 |
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| qwazix | ShadowJK, yeah, it fell along with it's owner off a bike :( | 13:12 |
| qwazix | I'm thinking to put it in the oven, you never know... | 13:12 |
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| ShadowJK | there's another trick that people do with bit of spring from ballpoint pen | 13:17 |
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| Hurrian | qwazix: a full oven is a bit much for a tiny board, don't you think? | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | do you have one of those neat convection ovens? | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | also what does oven do with doublesided board... | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | ShadowJK: some have the balls to lay a board on an oven raw, I prefer to use protection - mobo standoffs work quite nicely. | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | I have an oven tray with holes drilled into it so I can mount mobo standoffs on them to support boards when baking. | 13:20 |
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| qwazix | Hurrian, no, no convection oven. I got a microwave though :P | 13:32 |
| qwazix | I think it's beyond repair anyway so I'm willing to try anything | 13:32 |
| Hurrian | qwazix: aww. those little things are the closest you'd get to a nicely-controlled reflow oven though :P | 13:32 |
| qwazix | ShadowJK, that spring thing is only about the modem isn't it? Or are the boot problems also related? | 13:33 |
| ShadowJK | dunno | 13:33 |
| qwazix | Hurrian, I had one of those, when I was a student | 13:33 |
| ShadowJK | my modemdead n900 do boot | 13:34 |
| qwazix | I didn't see any reports of non-booting N900's due to modem failures so I think it's something severe | 13:34 |
| qwazix | That's why I thought oven | 13:34 |
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| qwazix | I'll put it in the big oven along with a nice piece of ham. If it fails I'll at least eat the ham :) | 13:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix: have you had it apart? What kind of bike? | 14:08 |
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| darkschneider | qwazix: just to report a success. i did the spring thing and it now works.. still the thing does not fit that much well and will not last... imho if you go for spring fix, then go for a neo900. Apart that at the time i read somewhere on forums that modem issues can give other issues just for the fact that some contacts are going in and out maybe each time you move the phone (but i know those a just my 2 cents) | 14:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't rule out something coming loose inside, if violent shock has happened. | 14:22 |
| darkschneider | yep i do agree, open and check | 14:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maybe even a shield shorting something out or whatever | 14:23 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | also I would check the flasher as they maybe unrelated. | 14:24 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I have trouble flashing on eMMC on my desktop ubuntu, for example. | 14:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/on eMMC/my eMMC/ | 14:26 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: I have trouble flashing my eMMC on my desktop ubuntu, for example. | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: DO NOT EAT the ham! do not eat the N900 mobo either! | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: apart from that, a 5-10 min in 230°C might actually do the trick, but odds are it also might destroy your mobo | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | going higher than 240° is strongly discouraged (and probably also not possible in a usual oven) | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you don't get any radiation heat | 15:11 |
| ShadowJK | mine goes ober 300 :D | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: actaully you want to remove the cans' lids before doing this reflow botch | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which in itself is a nice practice in zen | 15:12 |
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| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, thanks for advice | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-9 | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 15:39 |
| qwazix | cans lids are the metal parts over chips? | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 15:39 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the lids are ... well, the lids on the cans | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't rip off the complete can! | 15:40 |
| qwazix | yeah, just to make sure it isn't any weird jargon | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_02.jpeg | 15:40 |
| qwazix | and of course I wasn't going to put ham with the N900, I was just joking | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you see two opened cans on this scan | 15:41 |
| qwazix | yep | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | opening up the lids is really zen for experts | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | takes ~ 15min | 15:42 |
| qwazix | aremt | 15:42 |
| qwazix | aren't they three open cans? | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err maybe I conted incorrectly | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope 2 | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err 3 | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sorry | 15:43 |
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| qwazix | :nod: | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* want to flood the whole thing with flux before baking it | 15:46 |
| qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/n900_02.jpeg right? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually flux might help a damn lot to make the broken solder points to join again | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need SMT flux for that, very thin viscosity | 15:48 |
| qwazix | I suppose I can find that in electronics stores? | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | put a drop of it to every corner between a BGA chip and the PCB | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, in very good electronic stores, yes | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the flux has to creep under the chip | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you might want to think about any method to apply some gently pushing-down force to the chip | 15:50 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe that's too demanding to accomplish, particularly given you mustn't apply any force that would slide the chip out of its position | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so tather do not do anything like this. I at least wouldn't dare to | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather* | 15:52 |
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| qwazix | I think I won't. It's probably a lost cause anyway, seems to have all sorts of problems, including a busted screen connector, but I might just try reflowing just for the fun of it | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | busted screen connector?? | 15:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gravity is "gently pushing down force" | 15:53 |
| qwazix | horizontal lines on screen from time to time *if* and when it does boot | 15:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~fixribbon | 15:53 |
| infobot | i heard fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, but given the chip is about 0.1g in mass, this doesn't really count | 15:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | fair enough | 15:54 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, thx | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chips don't fall off the board even when holding it upside down, due to "glue" effect of any liquid incl molten solder between the PCB and the chip | 15:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | surface tension? | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: when you got symptoms like broken-ribbon then that aslo might be caused by pins of SoC came off the PCB | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: yep that#s probably the term | 15:56 |
| qwazix | might be, haven't opened up the thing yet | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus adhesion | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: anyway, try reflow with flux. when fail, it still makes a good base for GTA04-NeoN | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless LCD itself or digitizer got damaged | 15:58 |
| qwazix | no digitizer and lcd are fine | 15:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | swap the display module over with a known ok one first? You need to open it up first really. | 15:58 |
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| qwazix | btw what is cmt? | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cell modem telephony - dunno | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1400717&postcount=234 related. Mentions boot failing | 16:05 |
| qwazix | flashing was failing on cmt in various stages. Finally I managed to flash fw but failed on cmt erase afterwards | 16:08 |
| qwazix | how do I unplug the uSD daughterboard? Just pull? | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NOOOO | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't detach it! | 16:11 |
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| qwazix | wrong words, I don't want to detach it | 16:12 |
| qwazix | I want to make it look like your photo | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's fixed by sticky tape to the top of the cans underneath, and the ribbon at the edge of mobo running to daughterboard is fixed and delicate and not fixable | 16:13 |
| qwazix | i.e. not sandwiched on the mobo | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the sticky comes off when carefully pulling it up | 16:13 |
| qwazix | ok thx | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try to make the DS sticky stay on black rubber | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | helps a lot on later reassembly | 16:14 |
| qwazix | can next to vibrator can't be opened? | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cover the sticky with alu foil | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are some modules that look similar to cans but can't get opened, yes | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, and this is actually a can that has no lid | 16:15 |
| qwazix | indeed removing the lids requires zen mastership | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_11.jpeg | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in center you see RAPUYAMA modem chip | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the icon lower right is a lobster (= rapuyama aiui) | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also you see I failed to keep the DS sticky with black rubber | 16:18 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that this DS sticky is really needed to ensure proper operation of device | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably just for manufacturing to keep the daughterboard in place | 16:20 |
| qwazix | I opened up all cans in this side and I can't see any visible damage | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you won't see damage | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never jeard of a chip breaking into pieces ;-) | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heard* | 16:20 |
| qwazix | is really needed or it's *not* really needed? :confused: | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not needed | 16:21 |
| qwazix | I covered it with foil anyway, but I doubt stickiness will survive the oven | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like if it was needed | 16:21 |
| qwazix | camera can be removed? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you must remove it | 16:22 |
| qwazix | sounds dangerous | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | needs insertion of very thin steel sheets on all 4 sides | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to open the latches inside socket | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course you need to find a way to remove (or protect) the black plastic frame incl rubber on daughterboard | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also domesheet | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I hope your mobo is fine for reflow | 16:25 |
| qwazix | camera removed, but I bent one pin | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 16:26 |
| qwazix | no, it's not a pin | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a latch I guess | 16:27 |
| qwazix | it's one of those things on the sides | 16:27 |
| qwazix | yea | 16:27 |
| qwazix | *yeah | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure to bend it out of the way before reassembling | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you prolly won't get it into original shape again, but then it's not absolutely needed | 16:28 |
| qwazix | I bent it back in place, almost | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are 3 other latches afaik | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so first priority is "keep it out of the way" | 16:29 |
| qwazix | ok | 16:29 |
| qwazix | two lids to go | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to cover all obvious plastic parts with alu foil to protect them a little bit | 16:32 |
| qwazix | ok lids gone | 16:32 |
| qwazix | now do you think foil is enough to protect domesheet? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually wrap half the mobo into alu, the "right" half has no parts that would need reflow | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | domesheet no | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has to get removed | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's absolutely _not_ heat resilient | 16:35 |
| qwazix | ouch | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh careful peel off might allow reusing it | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a tad ow increased temperature (40..50°C) may help while peeling it off | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of* | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't bend it more than maybe 30° while peeling off, or it will get damaged | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (on the bright side you can get replacement for domesheet and easily apply it) | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take care about the LEDs under the upper silver sticky! | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't break them off the PCB! | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, outside is actually white | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not silver | 16:40 |
| qwazix | I peeled it off, who knows if I destroyed it :P | 16:40 |
| qwazix | leds are intact | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it's not bent or otherwise lost shape, it should be fine | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly the clickdiscs need to stay unbent | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and keep the sticky intact | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | place the whole sheet on a clean plastic surface maybe | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it doesn't attract dust etc | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or place it into a closed box, sticky facing up | 16:42 |
| qwazix | safely tucked in a box | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have a look at those LEDs, must be the weirdest LED I ever seen :-) | 16:43 |
| qwazix | yeah | 16:44 |
| qwazix | just some white monolith | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0.33mm thick, side view | 16:44 |
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| qwazix | indeed, but they do their job quite alright | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I just wonder how they managed to make those things shine to the side | 16:45 |
| qwazix | (I wouldn't believe they were all on the top from the light distribution on keyboard | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the domesheet light spreader does a good job | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | age old known principle though | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | light comes out from the white dots | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which are printed all over the domesheet | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the more dots, the more light | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so they manage to get same amount of backlight to each key, by placing more7larger dots under the keys that are farther from the LEDs | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: ypu should make sure your oven is actually only 240° and not maybe 260 or higher | 16:49 |
| qwazix | nice, didn't know that | 16:49 |
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| qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/_DSC5011.JPG | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chips have a damn narrow window between solder temeprature and damage temperature | 16:50 |
| qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/_DSC5011.JPG | 16:50 |
| qwazix | any household solvent I might use for flux? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | niiice, I only have terribly crappy photos | 16:51 |
| qwazix | s/solvent/liquid/ | 16:51 |
| infobot | qwazix meant: any household liquid I might use for flux? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no way | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flux != solvent | 16:51 |
| qwazix | then I'll not do the actual baking today, try to visit an electronics shop in the center of the city tomorrow | 16:52 |
| qwazix | should I pre-heat the oven? | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for at least 30 min | 16:54 |
| qwazix | is there a point trying without flux? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SMT flux is a hightech product composed from antioxidant, organic acids and passivating resin | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have no second try | 16:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wow, they are the keyboard LED's cool | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird little critters | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't fine exactly those | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for Neo900 | 16:56 |
| qwazix | ok then, adventure over for today :-) gonna get something to eat. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | found a tiny bit larger RGB LEDs though :-) | 16:56 |
| qwazix | many thanks! | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a pleasure | 16:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | clever design really, oh I read on #neo900 about RGB :) | 16:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It will have to be a good electronics shop to have SMT flux | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It wouldn't be available in any electronics shop over here. only online. | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/588408/Stannol-Flussmittelstift-Fine-Fluxer-350-830333Inhalt-8-ml?queryFromSuggest=true | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT use http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/588583/Stannol-Loetwasser-Nr-1V-114033-Flussmittel-Typ-311-A-Inhalt-50-ml?ref=searchDetail and similar corrosives | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rather flux explicitly rated for SMT: http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/588753/Edsyn-FLUXI-Flussmittel-Pinselflasche-FL-112-FL112-Flussmittel-Typ-F-SW-34-RO-L0-VOC-frei-Inhalt-30-ml?ref=searchDetail | 17:02 |
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| qwazix | ouch, I'd rather donate 30eur to Neo900 project really, than wasting it on something which might never work | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/588766/Edsyn-FLUXI-Flussmittel-Pinselflasche-FL-19-222-FL19222-Flussmittel-Typ-F-SW-33-Inhalt-30-ml?ref=searchDetail | 17:03 |
| qwazix | hmm that's more manageable. Let's see if they ship to greece | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/812062/Stannol-No-clean-Flussmittelstift-830322-Flussmittel-Typ-F-SW-33-Inhalt-10-ml?ref=searchDetail | 17:04 |
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| qwazix | ugh, I don't understand a thing | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/828718/Edsyn-No-clean-Flussmittelstift-FL-88-Flussmittel-Typ-F-SW-34-Inhalt-10-ml?ref=searchDetail | 17:05 |
| qwazix | this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Flux-pen-Stannol-MINI-FLUXER-500-6B-NO-CLEAN-for-solar-cells-/281192379808?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item41785f35a0 | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I recommend the latter one | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Edsyn-No-clean-Flussmittelstift-FL-88-Flussmittel-Typ-F-SW-34 | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, the one for solar cells is too agressive for SMT | 17:09 |
| qwazix | how can I distinguish those who are ok for this job? | 17:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix: I can't read greek but maybe some here? https://www.inter-shop.gr/commerce/catalog/index.php?cPath=116_129 | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when they get advertised for "SMT/SMD no-clean" | 17:11 |
| qwazix | I found these http://www.skroutz.gr/c/961/spare-parts.html?from=catspan&keyphrase=flux but I have no idea which one | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or F - SW 26 (DIN EN 29454 / 1.1.2.A) | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebw.gr/el/Product/11615/REBALLING-KIT-RB910 | 17:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "SMT Flux Liquid" looks promising | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | F130 LIQUID FLUX BGA SOLDERING REBALLING REPAIR 50ml ειδικό υγρό για κολλήσεις και... | 17:13 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, thanks I'll get one of those | 17:14 |
| qwazix | the one sixwheeledbeast pointed at seems okay too | 17:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Reballing one sounds more appropriate | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Features: | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 50ml ROHS | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Low Residue | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | No-Clean rework Flux | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Low viscosity can penetrate under the BGA | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly what we want | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 50ml suffices for 3 human lifes | 17:16 |
| qwazix | ok perfect | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but meh | 17:16 |
| qwazix | I also know that store is trustworthy | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a reference: you'll need <0.1ml for that job | 17:16 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but for that stuff it's packaging and handling that creates the cost | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and probably a 50mL glass is cheaper than a 1mL syringe | 17:18 |
| qwazix | yeah | 17:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maybe be handy to have a dropper or syringe for application? | 17:18 |
| qwazix | I have one of those | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toothpick | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | q-tip | 17:19 |
| qwazix | and lots of those :P | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if q-tip is an imternational brand | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like... | 17:20 |
| qwazix | it isn't | 17:20 |
| qwazix | nobody knows it here | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you do? | 17:20 |
| qwazix | but my parents used to live in the US so they use the brand name as product name | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you know what I am talking about | 17:21 |
| qwazix | yep | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 17:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | cotton buds/swabs is the non brand name | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dip into flux once, then service all chips on the mobo, you don't need a second time dipping it into flux | 17:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that's what they are called here | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 17:22 |
| qwazix | we're calling them batonettes | 17:22 |
| qwazix | french origin or sth | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the amount of flux it soaks while dipping is sufficient for 30 jobs | 17:23 |
| qwazix | okay | 17:23 |
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| qwazix | now I really got to go eat something, cya later | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should do same | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yeah, cya | 17:24 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: 'later | 17:24 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: have a good one, hope you don't mind the topic change. | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no problem | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_(metallurgy) | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | F-SW33 or F-SW34 rating | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka 1.2.3 or 2.2.3 | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and "No-Clean" = <3% solids | 17:38 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Any concern about using the oven for a lamb joint afterwards? | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WOW learning something new every day >>Very thin layer of zinc can be used for joining aluminium parts. The parts have to be perfectly machined, or pressed together, due to the small volume of filler metal. At high temperature applied for long time, the zinc diffuses away from the joint. The resulting joint does not present a mechanical weakness and is corrosion-resistant. The technique is known as diffusion soldering.<< | 17:58 |
| M4rtinK | interesting :) | 18:02 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC soldering/welding aluminium is kinda complicated | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | complicated, yes. Impossible, no | 18:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | TIG and a skilled welder, for large items anyway. | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike magnesium alu isn't listed as "not solderable" | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually you frequently see alu bike frames soldered/welded together | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the T in TIG? | 18:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Tungsten Inert Gas | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, we call that stuff Wolfram, so WIG here | 18:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | aka GTAW tungsten is non consumable electrode unlike MIG | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw guess what the name OSRAM means ;-) | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you wonder about the first two: OSmium | 18:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | clever, I didn't even know it was a German company | 18:14 |
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| darkschneider | mm so it's OSmium Random Access Memory :D | 18:35 |
| darkschneider | (sorry, was a too tempting joke for the 26 of December) | 18:36 |
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| Win7Mac | a little late, but very merry christmas to #maemo :) | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ Win7Mac | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | o/ 6wheely... | 23:03 |
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| merlin1991 | hbib: so still no issues? | 23:21 |
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| hbib | merlin1991: nope, everything works fine :) | 23:39 |
| hbib | and the new battery applet is nice ... | 23:39 |
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