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DocScrutinizer05nah, Cree is pretty up to date02:45
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natsukaohave you busybox for Android 4.1 ?09:46
natsukaoi am searchin the binary09:46
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qwazixmy brother's N900 fails flashing during something CMT related (different every time) and half of the times it doesn't boot (I have to take out the battery, press the power button and insert the battery with the button depressed)12:45
qwazixand it also shows all telephony functions are disabled12:45
qwazixI guess there's no hope...12:45
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ShadowJKSounds like classical modem failure12:59
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qwazixShadowJK, yeah, it fell along with it's owner off a bike :(13:12
qwazixI'm thinking to put it in the oven, you never know...13:12
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ShadowJKthere's another trick that people do with bit of spring from ballpoint pen13:17
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Hurrianqwazix: a full oven is a bit much for a tiny board, don't you think?13:18
Hurriando you have one of those neat convection ovens?13:18
ShadowJKalso what does oven do with doublesided board...13:18
HurrianShadowJK: some have the balls to lay a board on an oven raw, I prefer to use protection - mobo standoffs work quite nicely.13:19
HurrianI have an oven tray with holes drilled into it so I can mount mobo standoffs on them to support boards when baking.13:20
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qwazixHurrian, no, no convection oven. I got a microwave though :P13:32
qwazixI think it's beyond repair anyway so I'm willing to try anything13:32
Hurrianqwazix: aww. those little things are the closest you'd get to a nicely-controlled reflow oven though :P13:32
qwazixShadowJK, that spring thing is only about the modem isn't it? Or are the boot problems also related?13:33
qwazixHurrian, I had one of those, when I was a student13:33
ShadowJKmy modemdead n900 do boot13:34
qwazixI didn't see any reports of non-booting N900's due to modem failures so I think it's something severe13:34
qwazixThat's why I thought oven13:34
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qwazixI'll put it in the big oven along with a nice piece of ham. If it fails I'll at least eat the ham :)13:36
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sixwheeledbeastqwazix: have you had it apart? What kind of bike?14:08
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darkschneiderqwazix: just to report a success. i did the spring thing and it now works.. still the thing does not fit that much well and will not last... imho if you go for spring fix, then go for a neo900. Apart that at the time i read somewhere on forums that modem issues can give other issues just for the fact that some contacts are going in and out maybe each time you move the phone (but i know those a just my 2 cents)14:21
sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't rule out something coming loose inside, if violent shock has happened.14:22
darkschneideryep i do agree, open and check14:23
sixwheeledbeastmaybe even a shield shorting something out or whatever14:23
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sixwheeledbeastalso I would check the flasher as they maybe unrelated.14:24
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sixwheeledbeastI have trouble flashing on eMMC on my desktop ubuntu, for example.14:26
sixwheeledbeasts/on eMMC/my eMMC/14:26
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: I have trouble flashing my eMMC on my desktop ubuntu, for example.14:26
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: DO NOT EAT the ham! do not eat the N900 mobo either!15:07
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: apart from that, a 5-10 min in 230°C might actually do the trick, but odds are it also might destroy your mobo15:10
DocScrutinizer05going higher than 240° is strongly discouraged (and probably also not possible in a usual oven)15:10
DocScrutinizer05make sure you don't get any radiation heat15:11
ShadowJKmine goes ober 300 :D15:11
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: actaully you want to remove the cans' lids before doing this reflow botch15:12
DocScrutinizer05which in itself is a nice practice in zen15:12
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, thanks for advice15:39
DocScrutinizer05yw :-915:39
qwazixcans lids are the metal parts over chips?15:39
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DocScrutinizer05the lids are ... well, the lids on the cans15:40
DocScrutinizer05don't rip off the complete can!15:40
qwazixyeah, just to make sure it isn't any weird jargon15:40
qwazixand of course I wasn't going to put ham with the N900, I was just joking15:41
DocScrutinizer05you see two opened cans on this scan15:41
DocScrutinizer05opening up the lids is really zen for experts15:42
DocScrutinizer05takes ~ 15min15:42
qwazixaren't they three open cans?15:42
DocScrutinizer05err maybe I conted incorrectly15:42
DocScrutinizer05nope 215:43
DocScrutinizer05err 315:43
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sorry15:43
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DocScrutinizer05you *might* want to flood the whole thing with flux before baking it15:46
qwazix right?15:46
DocScrutinizer05actually flux might help a damn lot to make the broken solder points to join again15:47
DocScrutinizer05you need SMT flux for that, very thin viscosity15:48
qwazixI suppose I can find that in electronics stores?15:48
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DocScrutinizer05put a drop of it to every corner between a BGA chip and the PCB15:48
DocScrutinizer05well, in very good electronic stores, yes15:49
DocScrutinizer05the flux has to creep under the chip15:49
DocScrutinizer05and you might want to think about any method to apply some gently pushing-down force to the chip15:50
DocScrutinizer05but maybe that's too demanding to accomplish, particularly given you mustn't apply any force that would slide the chip out of its position15:51
DocScrutinizer05so tather do not do anything like this. I at least wouldn't dare to15:52
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qwazixI think I won't. It's probably a lost cause anyway, seems to have all sorts of problems, including a busted screen connector, but I might just try reflowing just for the fun of it15:52
DocScrutinizer05busted screen connector??15:53
sixwheeledbeastgravity is "gently pushing down force"15:53
qwazixhorizontal lines on screen from time to time *if* and when it does boot15:53
infoboti heard fixribbon is
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: yeah, but given the chip is about 0.1g in mass, this doesn't really count15:54
sixwheeledbeastfair enough15:54
qwazixsixwheeledbeast, thx15:54
DocScrutinizer05chips don't fall off the board even when holding it upside down, due to "glue" effect of any liquid incl molten solder between the PCB and the chip15:55
sixwheeledbeastsurface tension?15:55
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: when you got symptoms like broken-ribbon then that aslo might be caused by pins of SoC came off the PCB15:56
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: yep that#s probably the term15:56
qwazixmight be, haven't opened up the thing yet15:56
DocScrutinizer05plus adhesion15:56
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: anyway, try reflow with flux. when fail, it still makes a good base for GTA04-NeoN15:57
DocScrutinizer05unless LCD itself or digitizer got damaged15:58
qwazixno digitizer and lcd are fine15:58
sixwheeledbeastswap the display module over with a known ok one first? You need to open it up first really.15:58
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qwazixbtw what is cmt?16:02
DocScrutinizer05cell modem telephony - dunno16:05
DocScrutinizer05  related. Mentions boot failing16:05
qwazixflashing was failing on cmt in various stages. Finally I managed to flash fw but failed on cmt erase afterwards16:08
qwazixhow do I unplug the uSD daughterboard? Just pull?16:09
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DocScrutinizer05you can't detach it!16:11
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qwazixwrong words, I don't want to detach it16:12
qwazixI want to make it look like your photo16:12
DocScrutinizer05it's fixed by sticky tape to the top of the cans underneath, and the ribbon at the edge of mobo running to daughterboard is fixed and delicate and not fixable16:13
qwazixi.e. not sandwiched on the mobo16:13
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DocScrutinizer05the sticky comes off when carefully pulling it up16:13
qwazixok thx16:13
DocScrutinizer05try to make the DS sticky stay on black rubber16:13
DocScrutinizer05helps a lot on later reassembly16:14
qwazixcan next to vibrator can't be opened?16:14
DocScrutinizer05cover the sticky with alu foil16:14
DocScrutinizer05there are some modules that look similar to cans but can't get opened, yes16:15
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah, and this is actually a can that has no lid16:15
qwazixindeed removing the lids requires zen mastership16:16
DocScrutinizer05in center you see RAPUYAMA modem chip16:17
DocScrutinizer05the icon lower right is a lobster (= rapuyama aiui)16:17
DocScrutinizer05also you see I failed to keep the DS sticky with black rubber16:18
DocScrutinizer05not that this DS sticky is really needed to ensure proper operation of device16:19
DocScrutinizer05it's probably just for manufacturing to keep the daughterboard in place16:20
qwazixI opened up all cans in this side and I can't see any visible damage16:20
DocScrutinizer05you won't see damage16:20
DocScrutinizer05I never jeard of a chip breaking into pieces ;-)16:20
qwazixis really needed or it's *not* really needed? :confused:16:20
DocScrutinizer05it's not needed16:21
qwazixI covered it with foil anyway, but I doubt stickiness will survive the oven16:21
DocScrutinizer05it's not like if it was needed16:21
qwazixcamera can be removed?16:22
DocScrutinizer05yes, you must remove it16:22
qwazixsounds dangerous16:22
DocScrutinizer05needs insertion of very thin steel sheets on all 4 sides16:22
DocScrutinizer05to open the latches inside socket16:23
DocScrutinizer05and of course you need to find a way to remove (or protect) the black plastic frame incl rubber on daughterboard16:24
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DocScrutinizer05also domesheet16:24
DocScrutinizer05then I hope your mobo is fine for reflow16:25
qwazixcamera removed, but I bent one pin16:26
qwazixno, it's not a pin16:27
DocScrutinizer05a latch I guess16:27
qwazixit's one of those things on the sides16:27
DocScrutinizer05make sure to bend it out of the way before reassembling16:27
DocScrutinizer05you prolly won't get it into original shape again, but then it's not absolutely needed16:28
qwazixI bent it back in place, almost16:28
DocScrutinizer05there are 3 other latches afaik16:28
DocScrutinizer05so first priority is "keep it out of the way"16:29
qwazixtwo lids to go16:29
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DocScrutinizer05you might want to cover all obvious plastic parts with alu foil to protect them a little bit16:32
qwazixok lids gone16:32
qwazixnow do you think foil is enough to protect domesheet?16:33
DocScrutinizer05actually wrap half the mobo into alu, the "right" half has no parts that would need reflow16:34
DocScrutinizer05domesheet no16:35
DocScrutinizer05has to get removed16:35
DocScrutinizer05it's absolutely _not_ heat resilient16:35
DocScrutinizer05otoh careful peel off might allow reusing it16:36
DocScrutinizer05a tad ow increased temperature (40..50°C) may help while peeling it off16:37
DocScrutinizer05don't bend it more than maybe 30° while peeling off, or it will get damaged16:37
DocScrutinizer05(on the bright side you can get replacement for domesheet and easily apply it)16:38
DocScrutinizer05take care about the LEDs under the upper silver sticky!16:39
DocScrutinizer05don't break them off the PCB!16:39
DocScrutinizer05err, outside is actually white16:40
DocScrutinizer05not silver16:40
qwazixI peeled it off, who knows if I destroyed it :P16:40
qwazixleds are intact16:40
DocScrutinizer05if it's not bent or otherwise lost shape, it should be fine16:41
DocScrutinizer05particularly the clickdiscs need to stay unbent16:41
DocScrutinizer05and keep the sticky intact16:41
DocScrutinizer05place the whole sheet on a clean plastic surface maybe16:42
DocScrutinizer05so it doesn't attract dust etc16:42
DocScrutinizer05or place it into a closed box, sticky facing up16:42
qwazixsafely tucked in a box16:43
DocScrutinizer05have a look at those LEDs, must be the weirdest LED I ever seen :-)16:43
qwazixjust some white monolith16:44
DocScrutinizer050.33mm thick, side view16:44
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qwazixindeed, but they do their job quite alright16:44
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I just wonder how they managed to make those things shine to the side16:45
qwazix(I wouldn't believe they were all on the top from the light distribution on keyboard16:45
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, the domesheet light spreader does a good job16:45
DocScrutinizer05age old known principle though16:46
DocScrutinizer05light comes out from the white dots16:46
DocScrutinizer05which are printed all over the domesheet16:46
DocScrutinizer05the more dots, the more light16:46
DocScrutinizer05so they manage to get same amount of backlight to each key, by placing more7larger dots under the keys that are farther from the LEDs16:48
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: ypu should make sure your oven is actually only 240° and not maybe 260 or higher16:49
qwazixnice, didn't know that16:49
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DocScrutinizer05chips have a damn narrow window between solder temeprature and damage temperature16:50
qwazixany household solvent I might use for flux?16:51
DocScrutinizer05niiice, I only have terribly crappy photos16:51
infobotqwazix meant: any household liquid I might use for flux?16:51
DocScrutinizer05no way16:51
DocScrutinizer05flux != solvent16:51
qwazixthen I'll not do the actual baking today, try to visit an electronics shop in the center of the city tomorrow16:52
qwazixshould I pre-heat the oven?16:53
DocScrutinizer05yes, sure16:53
DocScrutinizer05for at least 30 min16:54
qwazixis there a point trying without flux?16:54
DocScrutinizer05SMT flux is a hightech product composed from antioxidant, organic acids and passivating resin16:54
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't16:55
DocScrutinizer05you have no second try16:55
sixwheeledbeastwow, they are the keyboard LED's cool16:55
DocScrutinizer05weird little critters16:55
DocScrutinizer05couldn't fine exactly those16:56
DocScrutinizer05for Neo90016:56
qwazixok then, adventure over for today :-) gonna get something to eat.16:56
DocScrutinizer05found a tiny bit larger RGB LEDs though :-)16:56
qwazixmany thanks!16:56
DocScrutinizer05a pleasure16:56
sixwheeledbeastclever design really, oh I read on #neo900 about RGB :)16:56
sixwheeledbeastIt will have to be a good electronics shop to have SMT flux16:58
sixwheeledbeastIt wouldn't be available in any electronics shop over here. only online.16:59
DocScrutinizer05do NOT use and similar corrosives17:01
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DocScrutinizer05rather flux explicitly rated for SMT:
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qwazixouch, I'd rather donate 30eur to Neo900 project really, than wasting it on something which might never work17:03
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qwazixhmm that's more manageable. Let's see if they ship to greece17:04
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qwazixugh, I don't understand a thing17:05
qwazixthis one?
DocScrutinizer05actually I recommend the latter one17:06
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DocScrutinizer05nope, the one for solar cells is too agressive for SMT17:09
qwazixhow can I distinguish those who are ok for this job?17:10
sixwheeledbeastqwazix: I can't read greek but maybe some here?
DocScrutinizer05when they get advertised for "SMT/SMD no-clean"17:11
qwazixI found these but I have no idea which one17:11
DocScrutinizer05or F - SW 26 (DIN EN 29454 / 1.1.2.A)17:11
sixwheeledbeast"SMT Flux Liquid" looks promising17:13
DocScrutinizer05F130 LIQUID FLUX BGA SOLDERING REBALLING REPAIR 50ml ειδικό υγρό για κολλήσεις και...17:13
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, thanks I'll get one of those17:14
qwazixthe one sixwheeledbeast pointed at seems okay too17:14
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sixwheeledbeastReballing one sounds more appropriate17:14
DocScrutinizer0550ml ROHS17:15
DocScrutinizer05Low Residue17:15
DocScrutinizer05No-Clean rework Flux17:15
DocScrutinizer05Low viscosity can penetrate under the BGA17:15
DocScrutinizer05exactly what we want17:15
DocScrutinizer0550ml suffices for 3 human lifes17:16
qwazixok perfect17:16
DocScrutinizer05but meh17:16
qwazixI also know that store is trustworthy17:16
DocScrutinizer05for a reference: you'll need <0.1ml for that job17:16
DocScrutinizer05but for that stuff it's packaging and handling that creates the cost17:18
DocScrutinizer05and probably a 50mL glass is cheaper than a 1mL syringe17:18
sixwheeledbeastmaybe be handy to have a dropper or syringe for application?17:18
qwazixI have one of those17:19
qwazixand lots of those :P17:19
DocScrutinizer05dunno if q-tip is an imternational brand17:20
DocScrutinizer05sounds like...17:20
qwazixit isn't17:20
qwazixnobody knows it here17:20
DocScrutinizer05but you do?17:20
qwazixbut my parents used to live in the US so they use the brand name as product name17:20
DocScrutinizer05so you know what I am talking about17:21
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sixwheeledbeastcotton buds/swabs is the non brand name17:21
DocScrutinizer05dip into flux once, then service all chips on the mobo, you don't need a second time dipping it into flux17:22
sixwheeledbeastthat's what they are called here17:22
qwazixwe're calling them batonettes17:22
qwazixfrench origin or sth17:22
DocScrutinizer05the amount of flux it soaks while dipping is sufficient for 30 jobs17:23
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qwazixnow I really got to go eat something, cya later17:24
DocScrutinizer05I should do same17:24
DocScrutinizer05so yeah, cya17:24
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: 'later17:24
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: have a good one, hope you don't mind the topic change.17:24
DocScrutinizer05no problem17:24
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DocScrutinizer05F-SW33 or F-SW34 rating17:35
DocScrutinizer05aka 1.2.3 or 2.2.317:36
DocScrutinizer05and "No-Clean" = <3% solids17:38
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sixwheeledbeastAny concern about using the oven for a lamb joint afterwards?17:48
DocScrutinizer05WOW  learning something new every day >>Very thin layer of zinc can be used for joining aluminium parts. The parts have to be perfectly machined, or pressed together, due to the small volume of filler metal. At high temperature applied for long time, the zinc diffuses away from the joint. The resulting joint does not present a mechanical weakness and is corrosion-resistant. The technique is known as diffusion soldering.<<17:58
M4rtinKinteresting :)18:02
M4rtinKIIRC soldering/welding aluminium is kinda complicated18:03
DocScrutinizer05complicated, yes. Impossible, no18:05
sixwheeledbeastTIG and a skilled welder, for large items anyway.18:05
DocScrutinizer05unlike magnesium alu isn't listed as "not solderable"18:05
DocScrutinizer05and actually you frequently see alu bike frames soldered/welded together18:07
DocScrutinizer05what's the T in TIG?18:08
sixwheeledbeastTungsten Inert Gas18:09
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DocScrutinizer05aaah, we call that stuff Wolfram, so WIG here18:10
sixwheeledbeastaka GTAW tungsten is non consumable electrode unlike MIG18:11
DocScrutinizer05btw guess what the name OSRAM means ;-)18:11
DocScrutinizer05if you wonder about the first two: OSmium18:12
sixwheeledbeastclever, I didn't even know it was a German company18:14
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darkschneidermm so it's OSmium Random Access Memory :D18:35
darkschneider(sorry, was a too tempting joke for the 26 of December)18:36
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sixwheeledbeastI'd expect better from you darktailor19:03
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Win7Maca little late, but very merry christmas to #maemo :)22:58
sixwheeledbeasto/ Win7Mac23:02
Win7Maco/ 6wheely...23:03
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merlin1991hbib: so still no issues?23:21
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hbibmerlin1991: nope, everything works fine :)23:39
hbiband the new battery applet is nice ...23:39
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