IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-12-24

Win7Macmail sent, qwazix, you still in council-ML? - your last reply regarding this was very helpfull!00:00
qwazixseems to me that I am, just received something00:01
Win7MacI actually c+p'ed your answer00:01
Win7Macyour last answer to this*00:01
qwazixWin7Mac, I never got the intermediate mails though00:02
Win7Macthe one you responded to was the second-but-last00:03
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Win7Macso nothing missed for you00:03
qwazixbtw you've got a funny typo00:05
qwazixvery nice reply!00:06
qwazixspot on00:06
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Win7Macreally need some feedback on this since I'm not 100% sure about the technical stuff00:07
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Sicelohi. i would like to get help with a certificate problem..11:28
Siceloi would like to remove the offending certificate. it's blocking me from connecting to my work wi-i11:29
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Sicelofreemangordon: would you be able to help?11:30
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freemangordonSicelo: hmm, can't you just remove that certificate from the control panel?12:03
freemangordon"settings->certificate manager" that is12:03
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DocScrutinizer05Happy Christmas!14:43
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: +114:44
DocScrutinizer05err Merry Christmas14:44
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DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: good day to do some real work ;-)14:45
DocScrutinizer05get some real work done14:45
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M4rtinKexactly! :)14:47
DocScrutinizer05took a few hours to check the stuff on N900, see what filter criteria might help to spot compliant parts on digikey, and finally review the 741 parts the filters returned14:47
M4rtinKwill hopefully get modRana development moving again :)14:47
M4rtinKwhen you finish, ~30 of them will be already discontinued :)14:48
DocScrutinizer05I like that one for multicolor Neo900 kbd backlight14:48
DocScrutinizer05pick the color of backlight you like14:49
M4rtinKnice! :)14:50
M4rtinKcould be even useful - IIRC red light is better for night vision14:50
M4rtinKalso bling :)14:50
M4rtinKI think it is some sort of slang word for shiny things14:54
DocScrutinizer05yeah, stuff with many joyful colors always sells better14:55
M4rtinKunless it's a ThinkPad :)14:56
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DocScrutinizer05moin dos114:57
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Sicelofreemangordon: delete isn't there... this is a system certificate15:08
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fidelpHow can I tell my N900 that I prefer certain wifi networks over others?15:29
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ShadowJKthere isn't16:11
ShadowJKIt stays connected until signal becomes too weak, disconnects and connects to strongest available16:11
DocScrutinizer05err, on *connect* I think you can prioritize certain WLAN APs16:14
DocScrutinizer05so not necessarily it connects to strongest - afaik16:15
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cityLightsDocScrutinizer05: coming to FOSDEM?16:20
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DocScrutinizer05no time and no money for such fun16:21
cityLightstoo bad16:21
DocScrutinizer05and also I tend to feel quite exhausted soon while attending such mass events16:22
cityLightshow far are you from Brussels?16:22
DocScrutinizer05prolly ~1000km16:22
DocScrutinizer05maybe a bit less16:22
cityLightso, well, was hoping to meet some of the memebres here16:22
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M4rtinKwell will going by bus :)16:31
M4rtinK11 hours :)16:31
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teotwakiHappy Holidays #maemo.17:45
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sixwheeledbeastHappy non-denominational winter festival to you too ;)17:49
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* DocScrutinizer05 waves18:25
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thedead1440season greetings to all too18:34
sixwheeledbeast\o thedead144018:36
DocScrutinizer05hi thedead144018:41
thedead1440hows things doc?18:42
DocScrutinizer05fine, nobody and nothing distracting me from working for Neo90018:42
DocScrutinizer05and laughing about our "request for a relationship" thread18:42
DocScrutinizer05suuuure, community will help to set up a closed appshop18:43
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if they meant "maemo6" maybe18:44
thedead1440actually i wanted to send them STFU but then its official so held my lip :D18:44
DocScrutinizer05we should point them to aegis ;-P18:44
FIQthe channel is also publically logged :)18:44
thedead1440doc no maybe they meant sailfish- :p18:44
FIQ@ "but then it's official"18:44
thedead1440FIQ: i meant official from hifo's email address18:44
DocScrutinizer05this channel is not 2official" ;-)18:45
DocScrutinizer05I know that sort of students18:45
DocScrutinizer05had the fun several times18:45
FIQwhat thread/whatever are you referring to?18:45
DocScrutinizer05I don't want to cal it pleasure18:45
FIQsome jolla thing?18:45
thedead1440FIQ: no; somebody has been contacting HiFo about a collaboration which is all BS; see backlog for convo b/w doc and Win7Mac to read details18:46
DocScrutinizer05some Ghana student approaching HiFo about "help from community" for a very cloudy and fuzzy project involving heavily modified maemo-whatever ported to some new hw-platform18:47
DocScrutinizer05and a closed app shop18:47
DocScrutinizer05and closed apps integrated into maemo18:47
FIQsounds scary18:48
DocScrutinizer05and of course "the community2 providing all that to them18:48
DocScrutinizer05so HiFo now stands up ans shouts "COMMUNITY! go and produce what those fine gentlemen asked for!"18:49
DocScrutinizer05ooh, why HiFo btw, I think that would be council's job anyway18:49
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DocScrutinizer05just another detail those guys didn't get18:50
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DocScrutinizer05/me just wonders how phrases like >>But with the support the Maemo Community is ready to offer, we hope we can get that aid.<< sneaked in18:58
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DocScrutinizer05I don't know of any support "the Maemo Community is ready to offer"18:58
thedead1440doc imagine one joker sitting behind a PC having nothing to do but typing out such nonsense... his aim is to convince you for the most foolish things so don't read too much into it18:59
DocScrutinizer05yeah, my suspicion of yesterday(?)18:59
DocScrutinizer05prolly best answer: "We are Hildon Foundation, maemo's cashier. We thought *you* were (part of) >the maemo community<"19:01
DocScrutinizer05Andrew's right19:02
DocScrutinizer05*really* best answer: wait for their next mail19:04
thedead1440yeah or just ignore them hereon19:04
DocScrutinizer05how's xmess over at your end?19:05
thedead1440some decoration at the main shopping street otherwise its just a public holiday19:06
DocScrutinizer05ooh, not that crazy like e.g. in Taiwan?19:07
thedead1440oh not here... after all the mix of various religions makes it just one of the few year-round festivals19:07
thedead1440lunar new year is the crazy occasion here19:08
DocScrutinizer05same in taiwan though19:08
thedead1440with most businesses closed for around 3-5days19:08
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DocScrutinizer05this is end of January this year?19:09
thedead1440its worst in indonesia; lunar new year means 1-2weeks at the minimum of closures.19:09
thedead1440yup starts on the 31st of jan19:09
DocScrutinizer05yeah, had to deal with it when at OM. 2 weeks nothing goes19:09
DocScrutinizer05though I'm not even sure if that's identical with chinese new year, which is what I think they celebrate there19:10
thedead1440its the same19:10
thedead1440indonesian economy is chinese bosses with local workers (stereotype) so closures on both lunar new year and eid19:11
DocScrutinizer05xmas and chinese new year - worse than ramadan19:11
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DocScrutinizer05worse as in: longer19:12
DocScrutinizer05and more relevant over in asia19:12
DocScrutinizer05at least from what I seen19:13
thedead1440nowadays its pretty similar mainly due to workers not being able to return on time. for e.g. this year my relative's house-maid spent 4 days traveling from her village to the city due to the traffic. so bosses can open without workers :D19:13
DocScrutinizer05stuff stops moving mid of december. and when mid of january some of the xmas holiday absences tend to end, chinese new year kicks in blocking stuff for another 3 weeks19:14
thedead1440yup; this is usually our most hectic time of the year... first you do closing of pending orders then you do frantic collection of payments before lunar new year... business owners don't pay during lunar new year so either you collect earlier or wait it out19:15
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DocScrutinizer05and when you didn't get around to sourcing your components in time, you can close your business too from Nov.15 to Feb.2019:16
thedead1440hehe very true19:17
DocScrutinizer05how do you like my idea about that "golden belt of contacts" around Neo900?19:18
DocScrutinizer05seems it's enough space for >40 contacts to "the world out there"19:20
thedead1440its interesting and i think a number of pretty fun things would be done by people once its out there19:21
DocScrutinizer05all kinds of cool "cradle" thingies could get built19:22
DocScrutinizer05fullsize kbd cradle19:22
DocScrutinizer05joystick cradle19:22
DocScrutinizer05VGA and charging and audio cradle19:22
DocScrutinizer05wondering about that LED invasion though19:23
DocScrutinizer05it's mechanically challenging19:24
DocScrutinizer05seen that extremely cool (though not useful for Neo900) ultraflat ultrabright LED I found?19:25
DocScrutinizer050.8mm high, shining *sideways*, ~2300mCd19:26
DocScrutinizer05well, we could build a flashlight to the left small side of Neo900 using 5 of those19:27
thedead1440nope haven't seen the led; time to dig it out19:27
DocScrutinizer05 Sheets/Optek PDFs/OVSRWAC2R6.pdf
DocScrutinizer05a tiny bit *thinner* than a SIM19:30
DocScrutinizer05and as bright as two candles19:30
DocScrutinizer05yeah :-)19:34
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DocScrutinizer05we could place 20 of those at the small side of Neo900, without stacking them19:36
thedead1440but wouldn't it bulk things up?19:36
DocScrutinizer05"apperture" 0.8*2.2mm19:36
DocScrutinizer05nah, we have the spcer there anyway19:36
DocScrutinizer05we almist could mount them vertically into spacer19:37
thedead1440thats a nice extension :D19:37
DocScrutinizer05making room for theoretically some 60 of them19:37
DocScrutinizer05120 Cd19:38
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thedead1440see ya doc; time to go to bed o/19:41
DocScrutinizer05have a nice time!19:42
DocScrutinizer05alas this miracle LED is "obsolete" :-(19:44
sixwheeledbeastmaybe they have made a smaller one19:56
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DocScrutinizer05hehe, doesn't seem so21:07
DocScrutinizer05anyway, this made me stroll to highpower white and thus pick a CRE for flash of Neo90021:07
DocScrutinizer05350mA max, sounds about correct for what we have, though case is 5*5 not 3*321:08
DocScrutinizer05I hope it fits nevertheless21:09
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: you got details about what we got in N900? (colortemp etc? Lm? Cd?)21:10
SpeedEvilI have no idea.21:10
SpeedEvilIt's perhaps what - 4 year old design?21:11
DocScrutinizer05thought you once did some tests21:11
SpeedEvilWhat's the peak watts?21:11
SpeedEvilThe lumens is unlikely to exceed perhaps 80lm/W21:11
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's what we got21:11
DocScrutinizer05do you know if N900 is warmwhite or cool?21:12
DocScrutinizer05I *guess* it must be warmwhite21:12
SpeedEvilI'm not sure.21:12
sixwheeledbeastI'd guess cool myself21:13
SpeedEvilI'd think neutral or cool is more likely21:13
DocScrutinizer05that's a lot. So I at least know I have to check again21:13
SpeedEvilAlso - you don't want to go too wide a field of view on the LED.21:13
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SpeedEvil60 degree will be four times as bright as 120 degrees.21:13
DocScrutinizer05that might get difficult as well21:13
DocScrutinizer05we got a lens in front21:14
SpeedEvilPer watt - though you can't go too narrow - or you get beam assymetries21:14
DocScrutinizer05there's that plastic fresnel in N900 case21:15
SpeedEvilI guess try and roughly match the bare LED position and angle of view21:15
sixwheeledbeastwarm is more incandescent lightbulb colour <2500K21:15
DocScrutinizer05I'm concerned we got a hardcoded whitebalance for flash in maemo21:15
sixwheeledbeasthardcoded where?21:16
DocScrutinizer05if I had to guess I'd say in omapcamd21:17
DocScrutinizer05though maybe even in CAL21:17
DocScrutinizer05in PR1.0 we had green macro issue21:18
DocScrutinizer05got fixed with a later PR21:18
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sixwheeledbeastbug 706021:49
povbotBug Sometimes photos are very green21:49
DocScrutinizer05aah, thanks21:51
sixwheeledbeast"This has been fixed in package kernel 2.6.28-20095102+0m5"21:51
DocScrutinizer05hmm yeah22:02
DocScrutinizer05why "kernel"?22:03
povbotBug 9741: Pictures taken with flash have wrong white balancing (green tint) and are too dark.22:03
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DocScrutinizer05why the heck can random users edit random attachments?
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sixwheeledbeasthmmm, just looking though the b.m.o for "camera" has bought up a good few WONTFIXes22:08
sixwheeledbeastbug 908522:09
povbotBug Camera lens is returned too hard back to home position22:09
sixwheeledbeastbug 1038422:10
povbotBug photo camera exposure correction defective for manual ISO setting22:10
ecc3gI've always thought that opening/closing the camera door to be very clunky on the n900.  Not to mention what should it do when I wanted to run mBarcode and not camera.22:12
sixwheeledbeastbug 1009122:12
povbotBug Launching camera disables auto exposure for other applications22:12
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sixwheeledbeastbug 5693 I have suffered with this and thought it was just my device22:18
povbotBug Artifact (single-pixel line) appears on the right of photos when using digital zoom22:18
sixwheeledbeastOh well22:18
sixwheeledbeastecc3g: re mBarcode that's a whole other bug that's a WONTFIX22:21
sixwheeledbeastThe buggy workaround is dsmetool -k the camera-ui22:21
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DocScrutinizer05err, I simply close camera app?22:25
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sixwheeledbeastIf you don't want to close the camera-ui everytime you open the lens cover22:36
sixwheeledbeastshould be a way of disabling the launch of camera-ui on lens cover IMO. but Nokia said WONTFIX22:38
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DocScrutinizer05when I start mBarcode, it says "please open cam door" and when I to this it starts scanning or autofocusing22:39
DocScrutinizer05it however usually fails to detect any barcode22:40
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't use flash22:40
DocScrutinizer05or flashlight22:40
DocScrutinizer05only for autofocus22:40
RST38hChristmas, Doc?22:40
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* DocScrutinizer05 takes a Christmas from RST38h22:41
sixwheeledbeastI am guessing mBarcode does "dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui" on start22:43
DocScrutinizer05no idea22:43
DocScrutinizer05but probably it *should* just use cmera-ui in a way like the gallery shot review pops up with currently taken photo after shot, and closes again after a few seconds or when you press focus22:45
DocScrutinizer05actually a lot of usecases should work that way, e.g. when trying to select an avatar for a contact, there should be an automatic to take a photo when you open the camera door and it should be that photo taken for the avatar without me having to select in from gallery22:47
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: do you have another of those Christmas for me? Last one was tasty22:51
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Siceloi'm concluding that `cmcli` is maemo-specific. correct? i don't seem to find a man page anywhere23:55

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