| Win7Mac | mail sent, qwazix, you still in council-ML? - your last reply regarding this was very helpfull! | 00:00 |
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| qwazix | seems to me that I am, just received something | 00:01 |
| Win7Mac | I actually c+p'ed your answer | 00:01 |
| Win7Mac | your last answer to this* | 00:01 |
| qwazix | Win7Mac, I never got the intermediate mails though | 00:02 |
| Win7Mac | the one you responded to was the second-but-last | 00:03 |
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| Win7Mac | so nothing missed for you | 00:03 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 00:05 |
| qwazix | btw you've got a funny typo | 00:05 |
| qwazix | maeomo.org | 00:05 |
| qwazix | :) | 00:05 |
| Win7Mac | shot... | 00:05 |
| qwazix | very nice reply! | 00:06 |
| qwazix | spot on | 00:06 |
| Win7Mac | thanks! | 00:06 |
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| Win7Mac | really need some feedback on this since I'm not 100% sure about the technical stuff | 00:07 |
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| Sicelo | hi. i would like to get help with a certificate problem.. | 11:28 |
| Sicelo | http://paste.debian.net/72328 | 11:28 |
| Sicelo | i would like to remove the offending certificate. it's blocking me from connecting to my work wi-i | 11:29 |
| Sicelo | *wi-fi | 11:29 |
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| Sicelo | freemangordon: would you be able to help? | 11:30 |
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| freemangordon | Sicelo: hmm, can't you just remove that certificate from the control panel? | 12:03 |
| freemangordon | "settings->certificate manager" that is | 12:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Happy Christmas! | 14:43 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: +1 | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err Merry Christmas | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: good day to do some real work ;-) | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get some real work done | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/541/ | 14:46 |
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| M4rtinK | exactly! :) | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | took a few hours to check the stuff on N900, see what filter criteria might help to spot compliant parts on digikey, and finally review the 741 parts the filters returned | 14:47 |
| M4rtinK | will hopefully get modRana development moving again :) | 14:47 |
| M4rtinK | heh | 14:48 |
| M4rtinK | when you finish, ~30 of them will be already discontinued :) | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I like that one http://rohmfs.rohm.com/en/products/databook/datasheet/opto/led/chip_multi/msl0201rgb.pdf for multicolor Neo900 kbd backlight | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pick the color of backlight you like | 14:49 |
| M4rtinK | nice! :) | 14:50 |
| M4rtinK | could be even useful - IIRC red light is better for night vision | 14:50 |
| M4rtinK | also bling :) | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bling? | 14:54 |
| M4rtinK | I think it is some sort of slang word for shiny things | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, stuff with many joyful colors always sells better | 14:55 |
| M4rtinK | unless it's a ThinkPad :) | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | moin dos1 | 14:57 |
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| Sicelo | freemangordon: delete isn't there... this is a system certificate | 15:08 |
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| fidelp | How can I tell my N900 that I prefer certain wifi networks over others? | 15:29 |
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| ShadowJK | there isn't | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | It stays connected until signal becomes too weak, disconnects and connects to strongest available | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, on *connect* I think you can prioritize certain WLAN APs | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so not necessarily it connects to strongest - afaik | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 16:18 |
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| cityLights | DocScrutinizer05: coming to FOSDEM? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly | 16:20 |
| cityLights | $$$? | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no time and no money for such fun | 16:21 |
| cityLights | too bad | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and also I tend to feel quite exhausted soon while attending such mass events | 16:22 |
| cityLights | how far are you from Brussels? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly ~1000km | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a bit less | 16:22 |
| cityLights | o, well, was hoping to meet some of the memebres here | 16:22 |
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| M4rtinK | well will going by bus :) | 16:31 |
| M4rtinK | 11 hours :) | 16:31 |
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| teotwaki | Happy Holidays #maemo. | 17:45 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o teotwaki | 17:46 | |
| *** teotwaki changes topic to "Happy whatever doesn't offend you | Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | Please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet" | 17:46 | |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Happy non-denominational winter festival to you too ;) | 17:49 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 waves | 18:25 | |
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| thedead1440 | season greetings to all too | 18:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | \o thedead1440 | 18:36 |
| thedead1440 | o/ | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi thedead1440 | 18:41 |
| thedead1440 | hows things doc? | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine, nobody and nothing distracting me from working for Neo900 | 18:42 |
| thedead1440 | cool | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and laughing about our "request for a relationship" thread | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suuuure, community will help to set up a closed appshop | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 18:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if they meant "maemo6" maybe | 18:44 | |
| thedead1440 | actually i wanted to send them STFU but then its official so held my lip :D | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we should point them to aegis ;-P | 18:44 |
| FIQ | the channel is also publically logged :) | 18:44 |
| thedead1440 | doc no maybe they meant sailfish- :p | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 18:44 |
| FIQ | @ "but then it's official" | 18:44 |
| thedead1440 | FIQ: i meant official from hifo's email address | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this channel is not 2official" ;-) | 18:45 |
| thedead1440 | +1 | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know that sort of students | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | had the fun several times | 18:45 |
| FIQ | what thread/whatever are you referring to? | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't want to cal it pleasure | 18:45 |
| FIQ | some jolla thing? | 18:45 |
| thedead1440 | FIQ: no; somebody has been contacting HiFo about a collaboration which is all BS; see backlog for convo b/w doc and Win7Mac to read details | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some Ghana student approaching HiFo about "help from community" for a very cloudy and fuzzy project involving heavily modified maemo-whatever ported to some new hw-platform | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a closed app shop | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and closed apps integrated into maemo | 18:47 |
| FIQ | sounds scary | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course "the community2 providing all that to them | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so HiFo now stands up ans shouts "COMMUNITY! go and produce what those fine gentlemen asked for!" | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 18:49 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, why HiFo btw, I think that would be council's job anyway | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just another detail those guys didn't get | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /me just wonders how phrases like >>But with the support the Maemo Community is ready to offer, we hope we can get that aid.<< sneaked in | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know of any support "the Maemo Community is ready to offer" | 18:58 |
| thedead1440 | doc imagine one joker sitting behind a PC having nothing to do but typing out such nonsense... his aim is to convince you for the most foolish things so don't read too much into it | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, my suspicion of yesterday(?) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly best answer: "We are Hildon Foundation, maemo's cashier. We thought *you* were (part of) >the maemo community<" | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Andrew's right | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *really* best answer: wait for their next mail | 19:04 |
| thedead1440 | yeah or just ignore them hereon | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's xmess over at your end? | 19:05 |
| thedead1440 | some decoration at the main shopping street otherwise its just a public holiday | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, not that crazy like e.g. in Taiwan? | 19:07 |
| thedead1440 | oh not here... after all the mix of various religions makes it just one of the few year-round festivals | 19:07 |
| thedead1440 | lunar new year is the crazy occasion here | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same in taiwan though | 19:08 |
| thedead1440 | with most businesses closed for around 3-5days | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this is end of January this year? | 19:09 |
| thedead1440 | its worst in indonesia; lunar new year means 1-2weeks at the minimum of closures. | 19:09 |
| thedead1440 | yup starts on the 31st of jan | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, had to deal with it when at OM. 2 weeks nothing goes | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm not even sure if that's identical with chinese new year, which is what I think they celebrate there | 19:10 |
| thedead1440 | its the same | 19:10 |
| thedead1440 | indonesian economy is chinese bosses with local workers (stereotype) so closures on both lunar new year and eid | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xmas and chinese new year - worse than ramadan | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | worse as in: longer | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and more relevant over in asia | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least from what I seen | 19:13 |
| thedead1440 | nowadays its pretty similar mainly due to workers not being able to return on time. for e.g. this year my relative's house-maid spent 4 days traveling from her village to the city due to the traffic. so bosses can open without workers :D | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stuff stops moving mid of december. and when mid of january some of the xmas holiday absences tend to end, chinese new year kicks in blocking stuff for another 3 weeks | 19:14 |
| thedead1440 | yup; this is usually our most hectic time of the year... first you do closing of pending orders then you do frantic collection of payments before lunar new year... business owners don't pay during lunar new year so either you collect earlier or wait it out | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and when you didn't get around to sourcing your components in time, you can close your business too from Nov.15 to Feb.20 | 19:16 |
| thedead1440 | hehe very true | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how do you like my idea about that "golden belt of contacts" around Neo900? | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's enough space for >40 contacts to "the world out there" | 19:20 |
| thedead1440 | its interesting and i think a number of pretty fun things would be done by people once its out there | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all kinds of cool "cradle" thingies could get built | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fullsize kbd cradle | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joystick cradle | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | VGA and charging and audio cradle | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wondering about that LED invasion though | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's mechanically challenging | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen that extremely cool (though not useful for Neo900) ultraflat ultrabright LED I found? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0.8mm high, shining *sideways*, ~2300mCd | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | white | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, we could build a flashlight to the left small side of Neo900 using 5 of those | 19:27 |
| thedead1440 | nope haven't seen the led; time to dig it out | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data Sheets/Optek PDFs/OVSRWAC2R6.pdf http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/OVSRWAC2R6/365-1550-1-ND/2203549 | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a tiny bit *thinner* than a SIM | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and as bright as two candles | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blinding | 19:31 |
| thedead1440 | nice | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-) | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tiny | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we could place 20 of those at the small side of Neo900, without stacking them | 19:36 |
| thedead1440 | but wouldn't it bulk things up? | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "apperture" 0.8*2.2mm | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, we have the spcer there anyway | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spacer | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we almist could mount them vertically into spacer | 19:37 |
| thedead1440 | ic | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | almost* | 19:37 |
| thedead1440 | thats a nice extension :D | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | making room for theoretically some 60 of them | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 120 Cd | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shudder* | 19:38 |
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| thedead1440 | haha | 19:39 |
| thedead1440 | see ya doc; time to go to bed o/ | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have a nice time! | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas this miracle LED is "obsolete" :-( | 19:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maybe they have made a smaller one | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, doesn't seem so | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, this made me stroll to highpower white and thus pick a CRE for flash of Neo900 | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 350mA max, sounds about correct for what we have, though case is 5*5 not 3*3 | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope it fits nevertheless | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CLN6A-MKW | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: you got details about what we got in N900? (colortemp etc? Lm? Cd?) | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no idea. | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It's perhaps what - 4 year old design? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought you once did some tests | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | What's the peak watts? | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | The lumens is unlikely to exceed perhaps 80lm/W | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's what we got | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CLN6A-MKW | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | roundabout | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you know if N900 is warmwhite or cool? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *guess* it must be warmwhite | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not sure. | 21:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I'd guess cool myself | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd think neutral or cool is more likely | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a lot. So I at least know I have to check again | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - you don't want to go too wide a field of view on the LED. | 21:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | 60 degree will be four times as bright as 120 degrees. | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that might get difficult as well | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got a lens in front | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Per watt - though you can't go too narrow - or you get beam assymetries | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's that plastic fresnel in N900 case | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess try and roughly match the bare LED position and angle of view | 21:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | warm is more incandescent lightbulb colour <2500K | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm concerned we got a hardcoded whitebalance for flash in maemo | 21:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hardcoded where? | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I had to guess I'd say in omapcamd | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though maybe even in CAL | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in PR1.0 we had green macro issue | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | got fixed with a later PR | 21:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~bug7060 | 21:28 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | bug 7060 | 21:49 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7060 Sometimes photos are very green | 21:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, thanks | 21:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "This has been fixed in package kernel 2.6.28-20095102+0m5" | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why "kernel"? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9741 | 22:03 |
| povbot | Bug 9741: Pictures taken with flash have wrong white balancing (green tint) and are too dark. | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck can random users edit random attachments? https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2542&action=edit | 22:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | hmmm, just looking though the b.m.o for "camera" has bought up a good few WONTFIXes | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 22:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bug 9085 | 22:09 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9085 Camera lens is returned too hard back to home position | 22:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bug 10384 | 22:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10384 photo camera exposure correction defective for manual ISO setting | 22:10 |
| ecc3g | I've always thought that opening/closing the camera door to be very clunky on the n900. Not to mention what should it do when I wanted to run mBarcode and not camera. | 22:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bug 10091 | 22:12 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10091 Launching camera disables auto exposure for other applications | 22:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | bug 5693 I have suffered with this and thought it was just my device | 22:18 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5693 Artifact (single-pixel line) appears on the right of photos when using digital zoom | 22:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Oh well | 22:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ecc3g: re mBarcode that's a whole other bug that's a WONTFIX | 22:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | The buggy workaround is dsmetool -k the camera-ui | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, I simply close camera app? | 22:25 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | If you don't want to close the camera-ui everytime you open the lens cover | 22:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | should be a way of disabling the launch of camera-ui on lens cover IMO. but Nokia said WONTFIX | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when I start mBarcode, it says "please open cam door" and when I to this it starts scanning or autofocusing | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it however usually fails to detect any barcode | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't use flash | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or flashlight | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only for autofocus | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Christmas, Doc? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 22:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I am guessing mBarcode does "dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui" on start | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but probably it *should* just use cmera-ui in a way like the gallery shot review pops up with currently taken photo after shot, and closes again after a few seconds or when you press focus | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually a lot of usecases should work that way, e.g. when trying to select an avatar for a contact, there should be an automatic to take a photo when you open the camera door and it should be that photo taken for the avatar without me having to select in from gallery | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: do you have another of those Christmas for me? Last one was tasty | 22:51 |
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| Sicelo | i'm concluding that `cmcli` is maemo-specific. correct? i don't seem to find a man page anywhere | 23:55 |
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