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dima`Does anybody know of a way to fsck /home on an n900? I'm getting corrupted sqlite rtcom databases, so suspect disk issues there.09:28
amonkremount it read only, fsck it and then remount it rw09:34
amonkpreferable with ; between commands and -y on fsck to be quick about it09:35
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dima`amonk: doing a fsck on a ro-mounted partition is safe?09:41
keriodon't use fsck on device09:43
keriounless you updated it09:43
dima`kerio: I'm not going to do this at all, unless somebody here says that it can be expected to not blow up my device :)09:44
dima`kerio: is there a way to boot to some sort of rescue console without mounting /home?09:45
amonkdima`: yes09:48
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amonkIf you want to be super safe, you could use the flasher to boot the ubiboot kernel WITHOUT actually installing it and use it's rescue mode to do the fsck from your nixbook.09:54
amonkoops, my bad.  that's for meego/harmattan.09:54
amonkbut the same principle applies.  fsck from your nixbook via usb however works.09:55
dima`amonk: so no rescue boot for maemo?09:55
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amonkI'm sure you can do it with maemo too.09:55
dima`amonk: what were you referring to that was for meego/harmattan?09:56
amonkif you go the usb route, you can also dd am image first to be safe. :)09:56
amonkThat was a boot loader that has a built in rescue mode.09:57
dima`ah. ok09:57
infoboti guess rescueos is
kerioboot from that, export mmcblk0 via usb mass storage09:58
kerioand fsck whatever you want09:58
amonk^that sounds promising :)09:58
dima`yes, that sounds like the way to go!09:59
dima`glad I asked here09:59
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infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is
infobotmethinks flasher is, or
zammyomg DocScrutinizer05 is 40411:26
DocScrutinizer05Nokia decided to discontinue that page and thus stop all support for maemo11:27
DocScrutinizer05use skeiron11:28
DocScrutinizer05or complain at Nokia care or Nokia customer support11:28
zammyanyway which one is the newest DocScrutinizer05 ?11:28
DocScrutinizer05or even do both please, and don't mix both I.E. don't tell Nokia11:29
DocScrutinizer05zammy: none of that stuff has changed since duh maybe 4 years11:29
zammysorry DocScrutinizer05 I don't understand what you meant11:30
DocScrutinizer05by what?11:31
zammyshit... I must reflash my n900 again DocScrutinizer05 can I occasionally install neo900 os?11:31
DocScrutinizer05no such thing like neo900 OS11:32
zammyalright DocScrutinizer05 .... which of that bin is the newest11:32
zammyI never understood that11:32
DocScrutinizer05sorry I'm busy doing real work11:32
ShadowJK-38, iirc11:33
freemangordonzammy: pr1.3 is the newest11:33
DocScrutinizer05and what in "this stuff didn't change since 4 years" you didn't understand?11:33
infobotcombined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
DocScrutinizer05if that's what you wanna know11:34
DocScrutinizer05also in the download page on maemo-dev-env-downloads.php it's pretty BOLD tagged which is LATEST. In RED iirc11:34
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zammythank you very much real worker DocScrutinizer0511:36
zammyand happy xmas11:36
zammyand new year11:37
DocScrutinizer05same to you. thanks11:37
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DocScrutinizer05dnag, now I start to think it's actually correct to call tmo being sailfish-flooded :-o11:42
DocScrutinizer05 almost one hour and not a single thanks yet11:42
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: isn't it too early in the morning?11:43
DocScrutinizer05almost noon here11:43
freemangordonit is holiday time after all, afaik11:43
freemangordonis it a working day in your place?11:44
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DocScrutinizer05for me every day is working day, but yes this is a pretty normal day around here11:52
freemangordonI see11:53
DocScrutinizer05and what do you think about Neo900's new golden belt?11:54
DocScrutinizer05I feel like this been one of my better ideas11:55
DocScrutinizer05some "AAAH!" moment when everything falls into place11:55
DocScrutinizer05mech support for kbd: solved (thus avoiding the "SIM defect" issue caused by modem (chips) popping off the PCB when bending it)11:57
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DocScrutinizer05spacer frame design drastically simplified11:57
DocScrutinizer05a wealth of new options via the contact pads that come for free with this design, for charging, HDMI, whatnot else11:58
DocScrutinizer05plus I finally found a pretty natural place for the diagnostic LEDs I plan to get to show e.g. Modem sending, WLAN powered, etc pp11:59
DocScrutinizer05(need to design in a convenient way to kill the LEDs when user can't stand them)12:00
DocScrutinizer05should be simple enough, a 0402 resistor is easily broken off the PCB12:00
DocScrutinizer05SMD LEDs with exactly 0.8mm width (== PCB thickness) seem readily available12:02
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_maniac_hi. happy new n900 user here.14:08
_maniac_fcam drivers doesn't work with kernel_power, is it expected?14:09
t3st3rthey're rather picky with which kernels they work :\14:11
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t3st3rthat's from my experience at least.14:11
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Sysaxedso, that's me again, and I'm still trying to install flite 1.4 . The only dependency that is missing is dpkg (>= 1.15.4), but this is required only for the installation, right? So it's not really needed for the program to be run, right?14:47
SysaxedI've tried compiling it from source right on my device, but it seems like it needs much more RAM than I expected14:47
Sysaxedso currently it is stuck constantly swapping for several hours14:48
Sysaxedso what should I do?14:48
Sysaxedis there any way to compile it on my pc and then install it on n900? I've seen some stuff about sdk but I don't understand what should I do in my particular case14:51
Sysaxedcan somebody help me out?14:51
freemangordonSysaxed: the easiest way is to get SDK vmware image14:52
Sysaxedfreemangordon: sounds good, where can I get it?14:52
SysaxedI see14:52
freemangordonhmm, wait14:53
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,
freemangordonSysaxed: the links are broken14:54
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: BTW do we have SDK vmware images hosted on mo?14:56
DocScrutinizer05I think so14:56
DocScrutinizer05as far as "hosted on m.o. goes"14:56
freemangordonsomeone should edit the wiki page to not point to
DocScrutinizer05yeah, *someone* should14:57
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I can do it, if only I could find where on mo are those14:58
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: OMG!!!
wnd -> "Get Cordia and run Hildon Desktop on MeeGo(tm)" -> probably not what was originally intended15:03
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teotwakisup DocScrutinizer0515:10
DocScrutinizer05ohai teotwaki15:10
teotwakifyi, I'm going to be consolidating my servers15:11
teotwakiso I might have to take down maemo-backup15:11
teotwakidunno if it's still used.15:11
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: aren't you hosting that MXR stuff?15:14
DocScrutinizer05we would like to host that on m.o. servers15:14
DocScrutinizer05missing it since quite a while15:15
teotwakiI can give you an sftp access if you want to get some of that stuff back15:17
teotwakiI'll probably take down the server late next month.15:17
DocScrutinizer05we don't need that maemo backup/mirror, we got the original ;-)15:18
DocScrutinizer05we need mxr though15:18
teotwakiDid you check everything that's on it?15:18
teotwakiI have a backup of the wiki, MohammadAG's stuff, tableteer, merlin1991's stuff, etc.15:18
DocScrutinizer05but the guys doing that are tired checking and comparing and tend to simply do mirrors of mirrors of mirrors of....15:19
teotwakiwell, I mirrored it when Nokia was shutting down everything15:19
teotwakiThen I was told (almost scolded) to stop the rsyncing, as I was pummeling the servers15:19
teotwakiI asked 6 months if it was still used, people told me to keep it15:19
teotwakinow I'm tired of having that shit around for apparently no reason15:20
DocScrutinizer05yes, since we needed the BACKUPs15:20
teotwakiso I'm just saying: If anyone needs it, grab it, it'll be down end of January.15:20
DocScrutinizer05not mirrors mirroring stuff rotting15:20
DocScrutinizer05again, do you host MXR?15:20
teotwakinot that I'm aware of, not sure what MXR is.15:20
DocScrutinizer05then that's been timeless15:21
DocScrutinizer05MXR is maemo LXR15:21
teotwakiYou mean this:
DocScrutinizer05I'll try to find somebody to allocate to the task of comparing wedropit to skeiron et al15:22
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: much appreciated.15:22
teotwakisorry if I'm being a dick about this, but I'm at over 300€ in servers, I want to get down to 50€.15:23
DocScrutinizer05please send info about sftp account to techstaff@maemo.org15:23
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teotwakiSo I'm just going to get a big server and create VMs, but full dedis is too much work.15:23
teotwakiwill do.15:23
DocScrutinizer05we will prolly just download everything, and then _never_ sort out15:24
teotwakiidc :P15:24
DocScrutinizer05I think our aux storage on m.o has a few free TB still15:25
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: could you maybe take care?15:25
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: contact teotwaki and warfare (the latter for access to aux HDD)15:25
DocScrutinizer05warfare: or simply tell warfare the scp command ;-)15:27
teotwakiDo you guys want an scp/sftp-only account, or would you like ssh access so you send the stuff directly to another server?15:28
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, we have ssh account on the target server ;-)15:29
DocScrutinizer05so prolly a scp/sftp whatever is just fine15:29
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^ please read backscroll and see what you think about the whole thing15:31
DocScrutinizer05I guess ideally we'd use rsync, but...15:31
DocScrutinizer05after cp -l $local $local-for-rsync15:32
DocScrutinizer05I bet 99.999% are duplicate15:33
Sysaxedfreemangordon: what is the default password? :))15:36
DocScrutinizer05for what?15:36
DocScrutinizer0512345, rootme, password, root... just a few for your convenience15:37
Sysaxedvmware image15:37
DocScrutinizer05prolly rootme15:37
DocScrutinizer05or maybe maemo15:38
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DocScrutinizer05ask freemangordon, sorry busy, o/15:38
Sysaxedit was 'maemo' in qwerty keyboard15:39
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Sysaxedhow do I ./configure in scratchbox? Which --host or --target should I use?16:12
SysaxedThis makes it to continue ./configure --host randomstring16:22
Sysaxedbut I'm pretty sure that it is not a right way to do it16:22
jon_yyou don't even know what you are compiling for?16:29
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Sysaxedjon_y: well, I don't get it. Should it be arm or armel or arm-linux or what?16:31
Sysaxedor that arm-unknown-linux-gnu16:32
jon_ythe whole idea of scratchbox is you don't need to set those16:33
jon_yqemu is usually involved16:33
jon_ysomewhere in a chroot env16:33
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DocScrutinizer05you set SB target accordingly. There's only X86 and the arm target preconfigured16:37
DocScrutinizer05then you build for the emulated "native" target which is arm in case you set SB target to arm16:39
DocScrutinizer05you have set SB target to "sbox-FREMANTLE-ARMEL"16:41
hbib1is it possible to fire a pop up notification (like when receiving sms) via a dbus call from console?16:42
DocScrutinizer05no idea why your check for c compiler fails16:42
hbib1in the wiki i found only the other notification type ...16:42
infobotmethinks phonecontrol is
hbib1but these are sadly only the "other type" of notifications, not that blinking one when receiving an sms or a missed phone call16:44
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05: so I went to sb-menu and did some magic there16:44
Sysaxedselected qemu and something else...16:45
Sysaxedso now it works without even asking16:45
DocScrutinizer05sure, that's how it's supposed to be16:45
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DocScrutinizer05hbib1: you mean that blinking icon in upper left corner?16:46
DocScrutinizer05hmm, this been some nifty stuff about a counter counting up for each call you send to the notifier, can't recall it anymore16:50
DocScrutinizer05here you are, I guess16:51
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hbib1DocScrutinizer05: Thanks!16:53
DocScrutinizer05note that 'control_bluetooth_paired' is probably the name of the class of notifications you want to use16:53
DocScrutinizer05all of same class add up16:53
DocScrutinizer05I guess you can make up and use your own class name16:54
hbib1i will experiment :)16:54
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sixwheeledbeastYes 'control_bluetooth_paired' is the way to do it, IIRC it has a green tick in the message popup and also opens a missed call type window. Why not use a info or dialog popup?17:17
Sicelowi-fi issue here17:18
Siceloi'm trying to connect to an AP with 801.2x EAP security. the syslog above seems to suggest to me that maemo tries to see if the system certificates can be used for this.. then it bombs out once it sees the expired cert (utoridad de Certificacion Firmaprofesional)17:20
Siceloany ideas?17:20
Siceloso atm, i can't connect to this AP17:21
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_maniac_what do you recommend for backing up contacts and messages on linux?17:27
_maniac_preferably gui-less17:27
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_maniac_I mean, i have obex-data-server installed, but I can't figure out how to make it actually backup data17:32
SysaxedSo, okay, so now this application is installed in scratchbox, how can I move it to the actual device now?17:35
Sysaxedshould I just move /usr/local to the device?17:38
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Siceloif you haven't made a deb, that looks like it for sure.. ssh should be very handy17:41
hbib1sixwheeledbeast: i like that message notification pop up and want to implement it for my chroot claws-mail, so i have the same style for all kind of new messages(sms, whatsapp, e-mail)17:42
sixwheeledbeastif it's for mail that's fine but it would annoy me for "standard" msgs.17:44
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freemangordonSysaxed: does this "application" has debian packaging?17:52
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Sysaxedfreemangordon: I don't think so17:53
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freemangordonSysaxed: hmm, is there a "debian/" subdirectory in the source directory?17:54
freemangordonSysaxed: which application is that?17:54
Sysaxedfreemangordon: flite17:54
Sysaxedfreemangordon: there is flite 1.3 in maemo repos, I'm trying to install 1.417:54
Sysaxedfreemangordon: the problem with 1.4 deb file is that it requires newer dpkg version, but dpkg is old in maemo17:55
freemangordonget the tarball from debian, "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot" it17:55
Sysaxedother dependencies are satisfied, as far as I can see17:55
freemangordonhmm, weirs17:55
freemangordonSysaxed: get the source package, not binary17:56
freemangordonand build it in SB17:56
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Sysaxedfreemangordon: ohhh, sorry, but what should I do actually17:57
freemangordonSysaxed: get
Sysaxedfreemangordon: currently I just downloaded the source of flite, compiled it, and now I'm trying to get it on my device17:58
Sysaxedfreemangordon: and that's not what I should do, right?17:58
freemangordonSysaxed: the correct way IMO is to build a .deb17:58
Sysaxedfreemangordon: that sounds right17:58
freemangordonSysaxed: so, gett the ^^^ file, along with:17:59
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freemangordonafter that run (in scratchbox, in the same dir those files are located)  - dpkg-source -x flite_1.4-release-2.dsc18:00
freemangordoncd to flite directory and execute - "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot"18:00
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freemangordonSysaxed: that way you'll have .deb that is compatible with maemo18:00
Sysaxedand.. that's it?18:01
freemangordonyep :)18:01
Sysaxedfreemangordon: where have you been? :((18:01
freemangordonwell, if you have all the dependencies in place18:01
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freemangordonSysaxed: give me 2 minutes, I'll check if that works18:02
Sysaxedfreemangordon: hm, I wonder, is it possible to that right on n900?18:02
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freemangordonSysaxed: not smart, even if possible18:02
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freemangordonSysaxed: hmm, ok, won't be that simple, .dsc is 3.0 format18:03
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Sysaxedfreemangordon: then what? :)18:05
freemangordongimme 2 minutes18:05
Gatta_NegraACTION gives freemangordon18:05
freemangordonSysaxed: though you can just uncompress those tar.gz files by hand18:06
freemangordonSysaxed: though it has a dependency to texlive, where did you find that?18:07
Sysaxedfreemangordon: what is texlive and where do you see that it is dependency?18:07
freemangordon"dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: texlive"18:08
freemangordonSysaxed: I guess it is in extras18:08
freemangordonjust a minute18:08
freemangordonyep, it is there18:09
Sysaxedyes it is, but I wonder why would it need it18:10
freemangordonno idea, maybe some docs18:11
freemangordonanyway, building (without texlive)18:11
freemangordonhmm, won't fly18:11
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freemangordonSysaxed: ok, seems it builds now18:13
Sysaxedsomehow when I was compiling from source I got binaries that were quiet huge...18:13
freemangordonSysaxed: so, get those 2 tar.gz files ^^^18:14
freemangordonexctract them, make sure to extract "debian" dir in flite-1.4-release dir18:15
freemangordonedit debian/control and remove the dependency to "texlive"18:15
freemangordonSysaxed: edit debian/compat and change 7 -> 518:15
freemangordonSysaxed: in flite-1.4-release directory execute:18:16
freemangordon"QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a" without quotes18:16
freemangordonafter that execute "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot -b"18:17
freemangordonand you'll have it :)18:17
Sysaxedfreemangordon: amazing18:17
Sysaxedfreemangordon: thank you very much18:17
DocScrutinizer05and maybe strip18:17
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it will strip it18:18
SysaxedI'm so starving, I've been trying to do that for the whole day18:18
freemangordondpkg-buildpackage that is18:18
Sysaxedso I'll have a little break for food and then I'll try it18:18
Sysaxedthank you very much18:18
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Sysaxedfreemangordon: what should I do here?
Sysaxedunmet build dependencies... Well, of course these are not installed19:05
Sysaxedwhat should I do? I cannot apt-get install them19:05
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DocScrutinizer05honestly? screenshots made with camera?19:08
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SysaxedDocScrutinizer05: ? camera?19:08
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Sysaxedumm, camera??19:09
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SysaxedDocScrutinizer05: that screenshot was made with scrot. I'm not following you :)19:09
DocScrutinizer05what ever scrot might be (sounds like a crippled scrotum ;-D )19:10
DocScrutinizer05I'm using pastebinit or similar tools, which has the advantage to paste plain text you highlighted before19:11
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DocScrutinizer05conveniently reduces amount of data to shuffle19:11
Sysaxedscrot is a screen capturing tool, it is the default screenshoting tool in most distros actually19:12
Sysaxedso how do I meet these dependencies? Or can I just use -d flag?19:13
DocScrutinizer05well, this thing here is called Ksnapshot, but honestly I only use it when I *really* need pictures and not for console text19:13
Sysaxedwell, yeah, but it takes me less than 5 seconds to take a screenshot and paste the link19:15
Sysaxedbut whatever, I will use pastebin next time if you want so :)19:15
DocScrutinizer05the KDE pastebin applet in widgets bar is surprisingly called pastebin19:16
DocScrutinizer05and it takes me prolly 4 s to upload sth19:16
DocScrutinizer05too bad it takes me 8s to download the bloat19:18
DocScrutinizer05and I can't c&p it to refer to it or edit it for some fixing19:19
Sysaxedanyway, how can I fix these dependency problems in scratchbox? :)19:19
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05: you're right19:19
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, I can't help with SB19:20
thedead1440Sysaxed: you just need to apt-get install those missing packages?19:20
DocScrutinizer05others might, but they might want to first c&p your command and reproduce your results locally19:20
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DocScrutinizer05ten edit it to verify what they want to suggest, then pastebin their modified command set19:22
DocScrutinizer05I'm just trying to suggest a better way to post questions when they refer to commandline input/output19:22
DocScrutinizer05png also doesn't really scale well to other screen resolutions and sizes19:23
thedead1440agreed doc; i have to keep scrolling to see whats going on once firefox is occupying half my screen19:24
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DocScrutinizer05I might want to search for.... the list of unmet dependencies I had c&p to here or to grep, when this wasn't a bitmap that's not possible to c&p any text from there19:28
DocScrutinizer05err text2html19:28
DocScrutinizer05nope texi2html19:29
DocScrutinizer05I guess i made my point19:29
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DocScrutinizer05see if you can `host`19:32
DocScrutinizer05or simply `ping`19:32
DocScrutinizer05looks to me like a connectivity/DNS problem19:33
freemangordonSysaxed: "fakeroot apt-get install texinfo gs-common texi2html autotools-dev autoconf libasound2-dev ed"19:34
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: W: Failed to fetch  Temporary failure resolving ''19:34
Sysaxedwhatever, I fixed my apt-get19:34
freemangordonSysaxed: but yeah, you need to fix your DNS first, check you network kard settings19:34
freemangordoncard even19:34
freemangordonSysaxed: is it building now?19:35
DocScrutinizer05HMMM 40419:35
DocScrutinizer05 maybe?19:36
freemangordonyep, /etc/apt/sources.list needs to be fixed19:36
* DocScrutinizer05 is evil[TM] - just thought it would be funny to send a .png19:38
DocScrutinizer05prolly beating a dead horse, eh?19:39
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freemangordonSysaxed: you're missing nikia-binaries19:42
freemangordonSysaxed: comment "maemo extras" repo, add nokia-binaries and apt-get update/apt-get upgrade19:43
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freemangordonSysaxed: no idea why it tries to install 386 package in armel SB19:51
Sysaxedyes, this is weird.19:51
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freemangordonSysaxed: hmm, try to install nokia-applications metapackage19:52
freemangordonSysaxed: "fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps"19:52
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thedead1440just a wild guess but check the nokia binaries in the sources.list, is x86 enabled instead of armel? There are both options iirc...19:54
freemangordonthedead1440: hmm I don;t see such options19:56
thedead1440oh ok then i must have seen that in skeiron's listing of nokia binaries...19:56
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Sysaxedsomething is wrong here...19:58
freemangordonSysaxed: hmm, did you try to install build-essentiols?19:58
freemangordonSysaxed: anyway, you somehow managed to break the fremantle_armel target19:58
Sysaxedfreemangordon: no, but same thing - lots of dependencies unsatisfied19:59
freemangordonyou'd better delete it and create it from scratch19:59
freemangordonit is easy19:59
Sysaxedokay, then I just start the vmware image from scratch19:59
freemangordoneven better19:59
Sysaxedand start from scratch*19:59
Sysaxednot hard indeed19:59
freemangordonSysaxed: I won;t be available to help until tomorrow :)20:00
freemangordonso - wish you luck20:00
freemangordonSysaxed: you may read to get some idea what it is all about20:01
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Sysaxedfreemangordon: I think that I have everything needed, thank you very much :)20:01
freemangordonSysaxed: great, anyway, check 12 on that page20:02
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SysaxedIT IS WORKING20:53
Sysaxedand even more than then20:54
Sysaxedif previously I had to use 'flite -t test -o - | play-sound -'20:54
Sysaxednow you can just 'flite -t test'20:54
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Sicelowhat is flite?21:00
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SysaxedSicelo: text-to-speech software21:03
Sysaxedsimilar to espeak or festival21:03
Sysaxedbut the voice is much better, imo21:03
Gh0styalways been dreaming of text-to-speech to enable on irc :p21:04
Gh0styso I can just follow irc conversations while standing in traffic :p21:04
Gh0styhow cool would that be! :p21:04
Sysaxedalso it does not freak out if you pass time to it, like 12:3521:04
Gh0styand speech to text to reply back! :D21:04
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Sysaxednow I have to understand how to get that into maemo repos.. :)21:05
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vakkovhey guys, i need some help. I am building a kernel and for some reason it hangs after u-boot says "Starting kernel". Is there a way to see what's going on? (probably Pali knows the answer but he's not here)21:15
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uncloudedvakkov: have you got the framebuffer console compiled in and a kernel command-line parameter that says to use it?21:26
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vakkov_yes, it's on21:29
vakkov_seems that the kernel doesn't start .. have had this problem before but can't remember what the solution was21:29
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Sicelovakkov: test loading the kernel with flasher21:40
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DocScrutinizer05T2S -> pocketsphinx22:29
DocScrutinizer05err S2T22:29
DocScrutinizer05somebody made it "work" already, for maeo22:30
Defiantcompiling pocketsphinx on n900 is not that hard...22:30
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Defiant0.6 is way too old22:33
DocScrutinizer05sure, I bet noboy did anything for it since 2 years22:33
DocScrutinizer05nobody, but ... same22:33
Defiantnothing major...22:34
Defiantbut some bugfixes memory leak fixes22:34
Win7Macis it correct to say that maemo makes use of "quite outdated" HW and that it is probably hard to find corresponding HW where it would work on?22:36
Win7Macor better, actuall devices that would run maemo22:36
Defiantwhy do you want to say that?22:37
Win7Macanother mail from ghana...22:37
Win7Mactheir asking for help for a new maemo-distro/UI (not very clear) and I wonder what HW they would make use of since they won't build their own device22:39
Defiantyou can always try to port it on new hardware..22:39
DocScrutinizer05except the proprietary blobs of course22:40
DocScrutinizer05which need RE22:40
DocScrutinizer05see FPTF22:40
infobotfptf is, like, the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see
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Win7Machas it been done before? any recent device running maemo?22:42
Win7Macwith all the basic functionality running ofc22:44
Defiantdamn. this is a real long list of closed packages22:44
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DocScrutinizer05that's why Neo900 aims at binary compatibility22:45
Defiantsounds like no armhf22:46
DocScrutinizer05otherwise would could have... used a snapdragon based platform ;-P22:46
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: otherwise we could have... used a snapdragon based platform ;-P22:46
DocScrutinizer05or at least OMAP522:47
DefiantI doubt you would have been able to get one.22:48
DocScrutinizer05we are able to get them22:48
Defiantat least for Omap4 there was a real high number for mininum order22:48
Win7Maci think that's basically what I meant, no *actual* cpu/gpu combo works ootb, right?22:48
DocScrutinizer05OOTB? no22:49
DocScrutinizer05nothing works OOTB, except N90022:49
DocScrutinizer05for fremantle22:49
Win7Mac...or that could be "hacked" easily22:49
DocScrutinizer05depends whom you ask22:50
DocScrutinizer05fremantle works on beagleboard, after 6h of adaption work. 80% at least22:51
Win7MacI'm trying to find the right words for my answer to them. I think they underestime the HW-part...22:51
DocScrutinizer05I think they have no clue22:51
Win7Macsounds a bit like that, yeah22:51
Win7Macis it feasable with some community-support?22:52
DocScrutinizer05no, since I will suggest community doesn't support a concurrent project to FPTF22:53
DocScrutinizer05if those dudes want to use fremantle on a different platform or otherwise tweak it, they shall contribute to FPTF22:53
Win7Macwell, if all that is resolved, they have what they want, no?22:53
DocScrutinizer05we won't open a sencong front22:54
Win7Macok, I'll mention that thread, thanks22:55
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Win7Macideas what to respond still welcome!23:01
hbib2Win7Mac: From ghana? Is there any information their project?23:02
Win7MacLuneShield Technologies Group... basically some students from ghana, nothing found in google23:03
Win7MacThe group consists of IT enthusiasts23:04
Win7Macand developers of High School based in Ghana. We are currently working23:04
Win7Macon a Development Project to improve upon education in Ghana and Africa23:04
Win7Macat large. Our work through innovation would help bridge the gap23:04
Win7Macbetween advanced schools and deprived ones. All this cannot be23:04
Win7Macachieved without the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo23:04
Win7MacCommunity with the Hildon Foundation. LuneShield Group hopes to23:04
Win7Macestablish a relationship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as23:04
Win7Macto aid in achieving our objectives.23:04
Win7Macoops, sorry23:04
Sicelohow sure are you that's not spam?23:05
DocScrutinizer05it's advanced spam23:06
Win7Mac4th mail already23:06
Win7Macand that guy exists, already googled him23:07
DocScrutinizer05the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo - BWAHAHAHA23:07
DocScrutinizer05I yeah, I googled too and found at least 5 guys with that name23:07
Win7Mache's being poöite I guess23:08
Win7Macpolite and nice*23:08
DocScrutinizer055 students planning to start a business exploiting a OS they can get for free23:09
Win7Mac"The group consists of IT enthusiasts and developers of High School based in Ghana. We are currently working on a Development Project to improve upon education in Ghana and Africa at large. Our work through innovation would help bridge the gap between advanced schools and deprived ones. All this cannot be achieved without the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo Community with the Hildon Foundation. LuneShield Group hopes to establish a relat23:09
Win7Macionship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as to aid in achieving our objectives."23:09
DocScrutinizer05maemo is most open, by hierarchy23:09
DocScrutinizer05err you already posted that23:10
DocScrutinizer05if those guys had a faintest idea what is maemo and how it works, they would try to kick off apublic project instead of approaching HiFo23:12
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, they can only win by begging HiFo for support. If it's only an account and a VM on maemo servers23:13
DocScrutinizer05but sure they hope for more, best case a working OS for their project delivered by "the dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo" for free23:13
Win7MacI don't think it's a hoax and if they're working on an educational program, we should be open imho23:15
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DocScrutinizer05it's not a hoax, it's nonsense based on poor information paired with laziness and a mentality to see what you can get23:17
DocScrutinizer05why don't they go for ubuntu? because maemo is so great for their project? NAH! because they can't talk canonical into supporting then, it seems a harder target23:18
DocScrutinizer05or who knows, probably they *did* send same letter to canonical23:19
Win7Maci wondered about ubuntu too, probably you're right, i just don't want to knock their idea23:19
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Win7Macor their approach23:20
DocScrutinizer05suggest to them to read23:20
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.23:20
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
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DocScrutinizer05with a tad of abstraction all in there applies to here as well23:21
Win7Macsure, they're not very clear about wht exactly they want23:22
DocScrutinizer05if they had researched about maemo so much so they can claim it's "dynamic and exquisite ecosystem of the Maemo Community with the Hildon Foundation" they MUST have noticed that their approach is illconceived23:22
DocScrutinizer05since there basicaly is no such thing like an "ecosystem" around maemo (anymore) and particularly there#s just so much hiFo could do about that23:23
DocScrutinizer05the only ecosystem I can see right now is Neo900.org23:24
DocScrutinizer05heck there's not even a ovi store anymore, something that *maybe* dculd get called "ecosystem"23:25
DocScrutinizer05they try to gain maximum return on minimum investment. Seems on you they succeeded - somewhat23:26
DocScrutinizer05you're already acting as multiplier on their behalf23:27
Win7Macyeah, i'm too soft, probably23:27
DocScrutinizer05though never waste a spam, ask them how we can help ;-P23:28
DocScrutinizer05you can have weeks of fun watching them asking for all sorts of material and immaterial assets23:29
DocScrutinizer05"could you find somebody donating a faster PC to us?"  "could you ask community to review that idea?"23:30
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DocScrutinizer05"do you have development devices?"23:30
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DocScrutinizer05honestly, ask them what the heck they want from maemo/HiFo23:32
DocScrutinizer05>>LuneShield Group hopes to establish a relationship with Hildon Foundation(Maemo Community) so as to aid in achieving our objectives." is BS23:33
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Win7Macno idea how good their language-skills really are...23:34
DocScrutinizer05we have no time to build relationships. Those build en passant while doing stuff together23:34
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qwazixI agree with DocScrutinizer05 unfortunately23:54
qwazixif it was serious the first thing you'd see would be a commit, not an email23:54
qwazixWin7Mac, ^^23:55
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