IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-12-21

infobot , or http://tabletsdev.maemo.org00:02
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Woody14619heading home for the holiday break.  will be back on once setup :)04:43
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DocScrutinizer05hah, Friday night at USA westcoast?09:08
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wmarone__for a little longer09:27
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Psianyone know a way to get irreco working again, the DB has been down for years afaik10:26
Psior maybe the path it uses is just invalid now10:26
sixwheeledbeastPsi: have you tried Pierogi? It's not the same but includes large number of IR devices in app.10:33
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Psisixwheeledbeast: hm.. will try now thx10:39
sixwheeledbeastPsi: what's it for?10:39
sixwheeledbeasti.e. what do you wish to control10:40
Psimy room lighting10:40
Psiand a few TV's10:40
sixwheeledbeastmost TV's are not problem. How is your room lighting connected to IR?10:41
Psiits fine, i built it, so coded the MCU to use the same IR codes as some random device i found in the DB :P10:41
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sixwheeledbeastPSI: Ok well you can't change the timing in Pierogi. You will have to pick a keyset panel, maybe the camera one, then change the timings at your end not Pierogi's10:44
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Psiif pierogi uses the same IR DB as irreco it will have the device i used in the list10:45
Psiand i think it does10:45
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sixwheeledbeastIf you know the device I can check for you?10:49
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Psiits just called DAT in irreco10:54
Psii think its some digital tape system10:54
Psiactually i think i might have edited the file to change the button names. but meh10:55
Psiim not worried about getting that going10:55
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sixwheeledbeastPsi: I doubt that is in Pierogi but you can recode your MCU to something in Pierogi if you like.11:01
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Psiyeah, not in pierogi, i think the sony model number starts with DTC and thers's none of those11:06
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SAiFanyone maintains pierogi?11:13
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SAiFgot mine bootlooping again. without any possible reasons..11:16
SAiFthis time I got abt 3 months without flashing.. :)11:16
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sixwheeledbeastSAiF: Yes, there is a maintainer. Device bootlooping?11:24
SAiF..yes n900 bootloopng again.  I dont remember any recent changes i made11:25
SAiFmay be because Its  a while since I flashed.11:26
sixwheeledbeastsome package update?11:26
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SAiFnot in the last week.11:27
SAiFwhat happened is..11:28
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SAiFn900 got switched off in the night. That automatic wifi will drain battery, an I was using heavily in the day time.  In the morning without bothering to charge it I put the sim in another phone. Now when I charge it without sim, Its bootlooping.11:29
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sixwheeledbeastPsi: try the power key search feature in Pierogi to see if you can find a something with that code.11:30
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.11:31
sixwheeledbeastSAiF: ^^11:31
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SAiFsixwheeledbeast: thanks will try that11:33
DocScrutinizer05this does NOT fix botlooping, as is clearly stated in a footnote I recently added!11:34
infoboti heard bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.11:34
SAiFActualy I think its no bootloop, more like flatbatrecover.11:35
sixwheeledbeastI suspect's it not a bootloop11:35
sixwheeledbeastHow can you damage rootfs if device is off!11:35
sixwheeledbeastWithout a hammer11:35
DocScrutinizer05you usualy damage it when device is up and running, and it *shows* on next boot11:36
DocScrutinizer05pretty easy, any silly fsckup in initscripts or mudules will do11:36
DocScrutinizer05both won't stop a booted system from working normally. But it reliably casues bootloop on next boot11:37
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sixwheeledbeastIt could be a ~bootloop, however, if SAiF knows he hasn't been playing with or installing anything best to try ~flatbatrecover first IMO. I was sure he is capable of reading the CAVEAT11:39
freemangordonmy desktop is dead :(11:39
sixwheeledbeastoh dear11:39
SAiFdead in the sense?11:39
SAiFhw failure?11:40
freemangordondoesn't boot11:40
freemangordonmost probably mobo11:40
freemangordonor HDD failure11:40
SAiFyou get any signal while trying to boot?11:40
DocScrutinizer05HDD will still give you bios setup screen11:41
freemangordonit tries to boot11:41
freemangordonbut there are lots of hdd errors11:41
freemangordonboth win and ubuntu fail to boot11:41
SAiFthen HDD.11:41
freemangordonbut i suspect its the mobo11:41
freemangordonno, as I have 2 hdds11:42
DocScrutinizer05and both throw errors?11:42
freemangordonmost probably it is the hdd controller11:42
DocScrutinizer05check your PSU11:42
freemangordonit shoudl be ok11:42
SAiFtry live cd?11:42
freemangordonSAiF: what for?11:43
SAiFafter disconnecting HDDs.11:43
sixwheeledbeastYep I agree test PSU11:43
zamn900good morning11:43
DocScrutinizer05often +12V freaking out causes this11:43
freemangordonI just bought a new mobo+cpu+etc11:43
freemangordonI don;t think it is the PSU11:43
freemangordonmobo is about 4-5 years old11:44
DocScrutinizer05ckeck the voltages in live monitoring PSU in BIOS11:44
freemangordonhmm, I will11:44
freemangordonyou suspect 12V is not 12V?11:45
DocScrutinizer05I suspect it might have glitches or noise11:45
DocScrutinizer05would show in unsteady readout for 12V voltage11:45
freemangordonbtw this failure is a result of a power loss11:46
DocScrutinizer05also when 12V is off by more than 5% it's suspicious11:46
DocScrutinizer05PSU is pretty sensible to such events11:46
freemangordonPSU is very good one11:47
DocScrutinizer05power loss often goes hand in hand with bursts and overvoltage on mains line11:47
sixwheeledbeastBut there could of been a surge on reconnection11:47
freemangordonyep, that is why I suspect it is the mobo11:47
DocScrutinizer05the mobo usually doesn't see the surges on mains. that's why you got a PSU11:48
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05:  it was not central power loss, I switched it off by accident11:48
* sixwheeledbeast hugs his APC UPS11:48
freemangordonyeah, maybe it is about time to by ups finally :)11:48
freemangordonbuy even11:48
DocScrutinizer05err switched off what? PC or fuse?11:49
DocScrutinizer05your flat?11:49
freemangordonoutlet :)11:49
freemangordonhmm, well, I'll buy a new PSU too11:50
DocScrutinizer05when there been multiple devices you switched then odds are recoil from one killed the other11:50
freemangordonthere is only one printer supply connected to the same outlet11:50
DocScrutinizer05hmm, then not11:50
freemangordonoh, and the speakers. but i don't think either of those could cause damage to the PC PSU11:51
sixwheeledbeastinkjet printer?11:51
freemangordonand the monitor11:51
freemangordonnothing more11:51
DocScrutinizer05anyway, get a usb<->SATA(?) adapter and do a physical image of both your HDD *first*11:51
DocScrutinizer05using another PC11:51
freemangordonyes, my new mobo+cpu+ram :011:52
DocScrutinizer05btw we just had a blade-a/b ALARM11:52
freemangordondammit, I was planning to spend some time on maemo/kernel these days :(11:52
DocScrutinizer05maybe this is HDDs-act-up day11:52
freemangordonyeah, maybe11:53
freemangordonsome cosmic rays :D11:53
freemangordongamma-ray bursts11:53
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at his HDD11:53
freemangordonlock it in the basement :P11:53
DocScrutinizer05ohplease no gamma rays! those will erase the flash in my SSD11:53
* DocScrutinizer05 once more got his baffled 2 minutes, looking at a 16GB uSD and figuring how many of those would fit into a CD cover or even in a 50MB HDD as of 199011:56
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Hurrianoh man, i'd be totally bummed if I had to buy a new PSU.11:58
freemangordonwell, if it is the PSU I'll be happy, despite I've just spent 500 euros on new compunents12:00
Psiyou can get 64GB and probably 128GB uSD cards12:00
HurrianSeasonic power supplies are expensive :/12:00
DocScrutinizer05Psi: I don't need to go to extremes like 128GB uSD and 5MB HDD12:01
DocScrutinizer05it feels bizarre enough using pretty standard values12:01
DocScrutinizer05not only bizarre, actually like unreal12:02
freemangordonHurrian: hmm, what "expensive" is supposed to mean?12:02
freemangordonthe most expensive PSU I can find here is about 30 euros12:02
Hurrianfreemangordon: >$100 - my system's power supply is a Seasonic X-660.12:03
DocScrutinizer05check the PSUs in maemo server ;-P12:03
DocScrutinizer05they probably have their own PC built in for management12:03
freemangordonwell, well, it is desktop PC after all, not rack mounted blade with spare PSUs :)12:03
Hurriangiven how expensive the rest of the components in my system, i really should buy a UPS, but a good UPS is almost the cost of half a tower D:12:03
Hurrian*half another desktop tower12:04
DocScrutinizer05and do NOTuse cheap UPS, they usually cause more damage than they fight12:04
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: those are some fancy PSUs - server PSUs I've adapted for ATX look like ATX power supplies, but with really big heatsinks :P12:04
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: my PSU clearly recommends using mains, but if it cannot be avoided, power input must be true sine wave.12:05
freemangordonactually it seems PC components are pretty cheap here, I bought mobo+4 cores i5+ 16G of ram +2TB hdd for under 500 euros12:05
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, I can monitor them for voltage current, input (mains) voltage, Watt, temperature, fan speed, whatnot else12:06
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DocScrutinizer05efficiency (of course, from all the other values)12:07
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DocScrutinizer05but i failed to do this since at least 6 months now ;-S12:08
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: I assume they're all 80+ efficiency power supplies? ;)12:08
DocScrutinizer05though our maemo server is pretty humble: some <200W, often closer to 100W iirc12:09
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solofightAs suggested in this room - i tried to install i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo3_armel on my nokia n900 and it says "Incompitable application package"12:11
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solofighti did this because i wanted to install usb host mode application and it says unmet dependencies12:12
solofightso the team here suggested to manually install i2ctools and then do a apt-get install host mode app12:12
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solofightknock knoc12:39
solofight! ! !12:39
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solofightanybody there ?14:15
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solofightAs suggested in this room - i tried to install i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo3_armel on my nokia n900 and it says "Incompitable application package"14:15
solofighti did this because i wanted to install usb host mode application and it says unmet dependencies14:16
solofightso the team here suggested to manually install i2ctools and then do a apt-get install host mode app14:16
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ampharosit seems the SSL certs on the thing are what i'd like to call "really fucking outdated" - it's causing things like git clones on the device to fail15:04
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ampharoshow can i get new certs?15:06
DocScrutinizer05first I guess you need to literally get them from somewhere15:12
DocScrutinizer05then one you got them there are commands to add them to the cert database on device. Ask freemangordon who iirc has done some work regarding this, for the cert needed for
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spoofyHello, I have a problem with maemo fremantle sdk. Where I can find an */eula/token.php mirror?17:16
spoofyboth and nokia page are down17:17
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Sicelodon't know if i'm helping you with what you need..17:26
infobot , or http://tabletsdev.maemo.org17:26
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it turned out to be the PSU.17:27
DocScrutinizer05HARR! :-)17:27
DocScrutinizer05believe an old copper eating fart17:27
freemangordonat least it booted with the new PSU, will see how it'll continue17:28
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sure, but I *HAD* to buy new mobo etc, just in case it is not the PSU17:28
DocScrutinizer05nah, you should immediately switch back to old PSU and check if the error is reproducable17:28
spoofySicelo: "This page got discontinued, please call yout Nokia customer care."17:28
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no, I wont risk further corruption of filesystmes17:29
freemangordonit took 2 reboots for NTFS to recover17:29
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I don't think there would be much further corruption. You have to run thorough fsck anyway17:29
DocScrutinizer05NTFS ;-S17:30
freemangordonand the cherry - the partition my SB wmware is is FAT32 ;)17:30
freemangordonso no, I won't risk it :)17:30
spoofyah and another question - Is there a plans with the new cssu to be on the newer kernel? 3.11/13 or something?17:30
sixwheeledbeastAs long as you don't switch it off at the outlet, you'll be fine testing the old one. ;)17:30
spoofyI heard some rumors..17:30
freemangordonspoofy: yes, there are plans17:30
freemangordonbut not enough developers ;)17:31
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: no, the PSU seems busted17:31
spoofyThe "so called" "closed nokia modules" are the main problem?17:31
freemangordonand both HDDs fail with it17:31
DocScrutinizer05what? new kernel for CSSU? that's pretty silly an idea17:31
Sicelospoofy: i think the skeiron one worked yesterday when i checked17:31
freemangordonspoofy: there are no closed nokia modules17:31
spoofySo what is the biggest problem?17:32
freemangordonthe so called "upstream kernal" is the main problem17:32
freemangordonspoofy: you don't want your battery to last 2 hours, ain't?17:32
sixwheeledbeastIf the error is reproducible as Doc says then dropkick the PSU.17:32
spoofyfreemangordon: I have a polarcell and dc-1617:33
spoofygod damn it... I can pay that price17:33
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: I'll bring it to my office, we have experienced guys and lots of scopes etc there17:33
spoofyI tried so hard to update some pacakges - like webkit, ruby etc17:33
spoofybut I always ended up with old kernel dep.17:33
freemangordonspoofy: and why do you need newer kernel for that?17:33
spoofySo.. cssu with newer kernel is just a dream?17:35
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: scope sounds good, yeah17:35
freemangordonspoofy: no, but it takes time17:35
spoofyIs it related with neo900 project?17:36
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: make sure you give the thing proper load on output when testing it17:36
spoofyOk. Thank u17:36
DocScrutinizer05scope on output without load will not show anything useful17:36
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: my coleagues are the guys who support ~95% of the ATMs here, they know how to test a PSU ;)17:36
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DocScrutinizer05spoofy: I like to disagree with freemangordon here, CSSU shouldn't move on to newer kernel, since it's pretty unclear why N900 would need that17:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: because we lack the manpower to support 2 CSSUs17:38
spoofyThe whole fremantle need to be upgraded17:38
spoofythat's the main reason why cssu shuld be moved to newer kernel17:38
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: but I don;t want to argue on that right now :)17:38
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you lack the manpower to suuport even one CSSU, when that means it ships with new completely different kernel17:38
freemangordonI am still happy with my desktop being resurrected17:39
DocScrutinizer05tbh atm it seems we lack manpower to support CSSU at the stage and state it's right now17:39
freemangordonyeah :(17:39
freemangordon17:31 <freemangordon> but not enough developers ;)17:40
DocScrutinizer05sure, since all developers are "wasting time" on 3.12 kernel ;-P17:40
spoofywasting time... eh17:41
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: there is more than enough material for a new update, and I really hope merlin1991 will put it out before 2015 :D17:41
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: well, yeah. There's no need for new kernel for fremantle CSSU-S/T17:41
freemangordonspoofy: there is 3.13 kernel on gitorious for n900, only cameras are not working17:42
freemangordonand there are lots of other issues as well, but relatively minor17:42
spoofyOk. Please tell me why in your opinion - there's no need for new kernel, huh?17:43
DocScrutinizer05we might need or at least want or prefer new kernel for Neo90017:43
spoofywhy not n900 as a proof of concept?17:43
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: no, you tell me why you think there IS any such need17:43
spoofybecouse I need newer pacakeges - like newer gstreamer, newer ruby, python, webkit etc. etc.17:44
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: do you suggest we deploy a proof of concept to 30,000 devices using CSSU as their major update repository?17:44
freemangordonspoofy: feel free to help :P
spoofyI don't know how you would like to deploy it. Not a stable version that's for sure17:45
DocScrutinizer05when YOU need such newer packages then YOU need to install that newer kernel on YOUR device, from whatever source you can find. That's largely unrelated to what CSSU is meant to provide to the majority of maemo N900 users17:45
spoofyas a stable version*17:45
freemangordonspoofy: DocScrutinizer05 has a point here17:46
spoofyI think many n900 users want to have their devices to be 'functional'.17:46
freemangordonwe may setup a repo with newer kernel and adaptation packages17:46
freemangordonto be installed on top of CSSU17:46
DocScrutinizer05CSSU is *not* factory/experimental17:46
spoofycssu thumb is17:47
freemangordonno, it is not17:47
DocScrutinizer05ok, not17:47
spoofyholy war :)17:47
spoofycssu thumb is fu**ing awsome but it's unstable as hell17:47
freemangordonno, really, cssu-thumb is *not* experimental for more than an year17:47
spoofyso it IS experimental17:47
freemangordonspoofy: whaaat?17:48
spoofyIMHO of course17:48
freemangordonspoofy: it is exactly as stable as cssu-testing is17:48
DocScrutinizer05should be17:48
DocScrutinizer05unless you run it on a non-thombified kernel ;-P17:49
freemangordonyeah :)17:49
DocScrutinizer05then for sure it's unstable like hell17:49
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spoofyI think that you forget about the "functionality". Have you ever tried to update such a thing like webkit? For eg. the midori developer relesed newer versions with "maemo compatibility" but no one ever tried to build newer midori. The main reason for that is midori need a newer webkit, but newer webkit need newer gstreamer and so long...17:51
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freemangordonspoofy: well, upstream gecko builds in fremantle SB, I don;t see why webkit can't be ported either17:52
spoofyJust.. try it yourself.17:53
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DocScrutinizer05haha, I see what you're doing there! ;-P17:53
freemangordonif I need it someday, I will , for sure17:53
freemangordonuntil then...17:53
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spoofyeh.. hard life of n900 lover...17:54
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: I bet damn xchar with python plugin and tab close button lower left removed can't get compiled on fremantle!17:54
DocScrutinizer05xchat even17:54
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spoofyOk. Now you can tell me how can I install scratchbox with nokia-binaries and fremantle target? yelling about eula token.17:56
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DocScrutinizer05a) I think the gui installer doesn't really work, probably never did17:57
DocScrutinizer05use the script17:57
freemangordonspoofy: read the insctructions on maemo wiki ;)
spoofyfreemangordon: thx. I read it few times.17:58
DocScrutinizer05b) if that script has any references to you might want to check them and maybe change them to skeiron17:58
freemangordonand if you need a -thumb target17:58
spoofyand yes, gui installer sucks on the newest debian sid. Xephyr newer worked propertly17:58
freemangordonspoofy: or just use the VMWare SDK image ;)17:58
DocScrutinizer05seems a very popular alternative indeed17:59
spoofyAlso I had an issue with linaro target. I had to export something what I found on tmo.17:59
spoofysomething about arm..blah nvm17:59
* Sicelo just hopes the SB script will work fine on Debian Wheezy18:04
spoofyIt will18:04
Sicelogreat then. about to finish installing the vm18:05
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spoofyAh I had issue with libgtk-2.0-018:05
spoofyI had to export PIXMAN_DISABLE=arm-neon18:05
freemangordonspoofy: yeah, qemu doesn't like neon instructions :)18:05
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spoofyCan I ask you one more question freemangordon ?18:15
freemangordonsure, go ahead18:15
spoofyWhat do you realy think about mer/sailfish os?18:15
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freemangordonnothing :). the last thing I've tried was nemo on n900 and it was not good IMO18:16
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spoofyYeah.. couse IMHO fremantle is just a good arm debian true linux distro. Sailfish (IMHO) is not a true linux distro.18:17
spoofyIf u know what I (in my lame english) mean..18:17
freemangordonI suspect that to be true, but can't really comment as I've never tried sailfish18:17
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spoofyYou think neo900 will success? Or It will be dead/zombie like openmoko18:18
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FIQafaik sailfish is true linux for the backend (unlike android which runs something weird), but the frontend is completely closed-source18:19
FIQi.e. the nemo parts are open, the UI/whatever is not18:19
freemangordonspoofy: though AFAIK jolla didn't promise a "true linux distro" :)18:19
spoofyyeap - sailfish os = meros + closed sailfish ui18:19
FIQI'm a little concerned whether or not this means that CSSU will, unlike in N900, be completely impossible for jollas18:20
FIQ*something like CSSU18:20
freemangordonFIQ: see n9/50 ;)18:20
spoofyEh.. I dream about a phone with open linux platform with hw keyboard where I can just type apt-get and install whatever I want to...18:20
freemangordonspoofy: get neo900 ;)18:20
FIQspoofy: neo90018:20
spoofyYeah but..18:20
freemangordonwhen it is out ofc18:20
spoofyI don't know..18:20
FIQfreemangordon: I'm not that involved in n9/50 at all so I dunno how it is like there :p18:21
FIQbut afaik, that odd meego/maemo hybrid called harmattan is open?18:21
freemangordonFIQ: me neither, but AFAIK there is no CSSU18:21
FIQwell, open enough to be able to provide cssu updates18:21
FIQwhether or not people actually *do* that is another question though18:21
freemangordonFIQ: remember - aegis18:21
FIQfreemangordon: isn't that more of a "people haven't bothered" rather than impossible?18:22
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FIQcan't you deactivate aegis via flasher?18:22
freemangordonFIQ: for sure nothing is impossible18:22
freemangordonFIQ: no idea, my n950 gathers dust in the drawer :D18:22
spoofyneo900 is just a hardware. IMO fremantle need to be upgraded to be more popular.18:22
FIQfreemangordon: sorry, what I meant was, isn't is as possible as on N900, just that people bothered to keep N900 alive, but nothing happened for n9/5018:23
FIQafaik aegis deactivation is as easy as a flasher flag, but perhaps I'm wrong on that18:23
spoofyqt5 ui, candy look - everything is sweet but... How it works under the hood - that is important18:24
FIQspoofy: what do you mean, upgraded?18:24
spoofy^ about sailfish18:24
spoofynot again :D I mean newer versions of everything18:24
FIQthere's CSSU18:24
* FIQ doesn't get it18:24
FIQfremantle didn't stop being updated just because nokia jumped ship18:25
FIQjust like diablo was still getting updates (iirc) for a while after nokia stopped caring, until N900 was released at least18:25
spoofyEh. Nobody understands me. I feel like an emo :D18:25
spoofyMaybe I'm stiupid but I see potential of fremantle as an debian based arm distro.18:26
FIQspoofy: you can actually install fremantle on a few ARM devices, but it is hardly stable18:27
spoofylike raspi?18:27
FIQ"a few" being like, really few18:27
spoofylike what?18:27
spoofyAh, about jolla phone - anybody knows is it "open" like n900? I mean bootloader and that kinda stuff. Is it possible (in theory) to install harmattan on jolla phone?18:29
freemangordonspoofy: there is a post on TMO about the bootloader18:30
freemangordonI am not sure I grok it :)18:30
FIQspoofy: not sure it works on non-omap devices though, or if it'll break horribly :p (but given that even semi-similar devices have major bugs...)18:31
freemangordonspoofy: as FIQ said, the last update of fremantle was a month or so ago (minor), a bigger update is comming soon18:31
freemangordonwhich will bring things like newer libglib, e2fsprogs etc18:32
freemangordonso I don;t see how is fremantle being "orphaned" or something18:32
spoofyOk ;) For now on on holidays I'll try to finish my little project - ppp. It will bring some newer packages like nmap, ruby etc.18:32
freemangordonhmm, nmap is in repos since ages afaik18:33
spoofyold version18:33
freemangordonpretty much recent version iirc18:33
freemangordonhmm, lemme check18:33
spoofyplease check it18:33
FIQspoofy: someone also tried to boot maemo directly w/o any tinkering on RPi and failed (allthough he points out that he lacks knowledge to test further)18:34
FIQnot sure if this answers your question on whether or not fremantle is relevant as a general debian arm distro18:34
spoofyEh. I would like to see fremantle as an alternative distro for raspi like devices18:35
freemangordonspoofy: in extras-devel is 5-1118:35
spoofyNow I have the newest18:35
freemangordonspoofy: anyway, newer libglib will open the door for newer gstreamer in CSSU18:36
freemangordonspoofy: the point being - slowly but steady newer versions are comming18:37
spoofyGood to hear. I'll try compile and .deb as much as I can on the holidays.18:37
Defiantfreemangordon: have the dsp codecs already been ported to gst1.0?18:37
freemangordonspoofy: hmm, what about the autobuilder?18:37
spoofyMaybe something will be useful18:37
freemangordonDefiant: never tried gst1.018:38
freemangordonDefiant: though I don;t think it will be much of a problem. however I don;t see the point18:38
Defiantfreemangordon: you just spoke of newer gstreamer18:38
freemangordonI don't think fremantle will ever throw .10 away18:39
spoofyAnyway I must go. Thank you very much for a talk freemangordon :)18:39
freemangordonwell, 0.10.36 is newer that 0.10.20 (iirc the stock version)18:39
freemangordonspoofy: np18:39
spoofycya :)18:39
Defiantaah that "newer" ;)18:39
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freemangordon:mod: :)18:40
freemangordonDefiant: the problem is with nokia closed plugins18:40
ampharosgrrrrrrr, I can't open HAM's catalogue window, "Operation Failed" since I re-enabled extras-devel18:42
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Defiantclosed plugins? ugly18:44
freemangordonyeah, iirc18:44
ampharosit's going to be one of THOSE days18:44
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* FIQ always found HAM a pita to use18:48
infobotsomebody said ham was Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does18:49
sixwheeledbeastbe patient with it.18:49
ampharosi had to break the config file to get ham to load18:53
ampharosthat's funny18:53
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