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| speps | Hi guys, n900 with a faulty eMMC here, most of the hierarchy got lost but I managed to get it mostly recovered (via ssh+rsync) without reflashing. To get it completed I need the part that is not rebuildable through packages, so here I am with the first question: /home/opt should be -> /opt, right? Thanks | 01:44 |
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| merlin1991 | yep | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | or rather /opt is a binmount and /home/opt is the source | 01:46 |
| merlin1991 | *bindmount* | 01:46 |
| speps | merlin1991: yeah, you're right it's not a symlink but a bind mount, thanks | 01:49 |
| speps | merlin1991: I have an 1000:1000 /opt, probably is wrong, can you confirm it should be so or root:root? | 01:51 |
| merlin1991 | my opt is root:root | 01:51 |
| speps | merlin1991: ok, i think i've got it, i forgot to preserve owner and group while unpacking, thanks again | 01:54 |
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| speps | merlin1991: what about /usr/share/themes? I have it as a symlink to /opt/usr/share/themes, is it right? | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 01:58 |
| speps | merlin1991: I'm wondering which package creates the /opt/usr/share/themes path, seems no one here | 02:03 |
| merlin1991 | maemo-optify-run-once or what it's called | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | it moves stuff around on first boot | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | maemo-optify-runonce is the name | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | essentially after pr1.1 nokia realized rootfs is too small | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | so pr1.1.1 came around which essentially was the optify stuff | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | then 1.2 and 1.3 came which already utilized /opt | 02:05 |
| Wizzup | interesting | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | I think they added Qt with 1.1 or 1.2 so a lot more space was needed | 02:06 |
| merlin1991 | Qt libs in /opt/libs alone have 43.6 mb | 02:06 |
| merlin1991 | and all user apps used to live on rootfs aswell ... | 02:07 |
| speps | merlin1991: so probably the whole /opt/usr is created via that script, right? | 02:08 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 02:08 |
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| merlin1991 | check the scripts in /usr/sbin/maemo-optify* | 02:09 |
| speps | merlin1991: could you ls -R /opt/usr > somefile and pastebin it, so I can check by myself how it should be? | 02:09 |
| merlin1991 | sure | 02:10 |
| Wizzup | Dont you think reflashing is easier? | 02:10 |
| speps | Wizzup: if I do that again I could puke ;) now it is more a matter of principle :) | 02:11 |
| merlin1991 | speps: http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/usr.txt | 02:12 |
| Wizzup | speps I recall it being better to flash... | 02:13 |
| Wizzup | but ok :) | 02:13 |
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| speps | Wizzup: long story short, never been in maemo world, a week ago a guy sold me this n900 for few euros, but I discovered the internal eMMC is partially damaged and unfortunately the first sectors, so now I finding a setup that could work fine | 02:14 |
| Wizzup | speps: if you reflash it should get rid of bad sectors | 02:14 |
| Wizzup | or rather, not use them | 02:14 |
| Wizzup | AFAIK | 02:14 |
| speps | Wizzup: tried a lot of times, unfortunately having the first sectors damaged means that the partition table gets randomly damaged so it's not a metter of reflashing | 02:16 |
| speps | merlin1991: thanks m8, checking right now | 02:16 |
| Wizzup | weird, the card should take care of that... | 02:16 |
| speps | Wizzup: it wouldn't be damaged so ;) or maybe is not the card itself, but I'm not an hardware guy, so I'm still facing it | 02:18 |
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| speps | merlin1991: I wonder why the /opt/usr structure is not handled by a package instead of script, maybe a backward compatibility reason? In case of conflicts it could be handled in a pre-install script too | 02:28 |
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| merlin1991 | because /opt/* got created after the fact | 02:29 |
| merlin1991 | but it couldn't get created by new packages because that would have filled up rootfs when extracting / dl all the packages that needed to move content around | 02:30 |
| speps | merlin1991: I admit I'm really new to n900, but on a first look the script looks to check whenever there is enough space to do the operation, so it could be potentially used in a pre-install script of a new packages, when and who calls the script? | 02:38 |
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| speps | merlin1991: sorry I gave you the wrong command, I meant ls -lR /opt/usr (it wouldn't show eventual symlinks if it has) | 02:53 |
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| merlin1991 | I noticed that and made a new txt, but I think I did that before posting it, anyways try F5 :) | 02:54 |
| speps | merlin1991: the file is still the same, but I don't it depends on the fact that I'm more an Ctrl+R over F5 guy ;) btw it could be indifferent, probably /opt/usr has not symlinks, you can confirm | 02:59 |
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| speps | merlin1991: Ok, never mind. I did it, I restored the whole thing without reflashing :) | 06:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, now run a fsck against mmcblk0p2 | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't use autofix! | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just *check* | 06:52 |
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| meeh | When my phone is locked and someone calls me, I don't hear any sound (so, I miss the call). I don't want that to happen. What can I do about that? | 10:19 |
| meeh | It's an N900. | 10:20 |
| freemangordon | meeh: move the swap on uSD and install cssu-thumb | 10:20 |
| freemangordon | meeh: and in case you have battery/speedpatch installed - remove them | 10:21 |
| meeh | freemangordon: that is a bit too much of a mental leap for me to see the relation between those things. | 10:21 |
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| meeh | freemangordon: is this documented somewhere? | 10:22 |
| freemangordon | yes | 10:22 |
| freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb | 10:22 |
| infobot | hmm... cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 10:22 |
| freemangordon | ~swappolube | 10:22 |
| infobot | i heard swappolube is http://wiki.maemo.org/Swappolube | 10:22 |
| freemangordon | ~ereswap | 10:22 |
| infobot | hmm... ereswap is anti swap-fragmentation tool for maemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84413 | 10:23 |
| meeh | freemangordon: I think I am already using that. | 10:23 |
| freemangordon | which one? | 10:23 |
| meeh | freemangordon: I noticed a huge improvement. | 10:23 |
| meeh | freemangordon: the thumb part | 10:23 |
| freemangordon | meeh: and you still have missed call notifications? | 10:23 |
| freemangordon | that's more than weird | 10:24 |
| meeh | freemangordon: the problem is that there is no sound during a locked call screen. | 10:24 |
| freemangordon | meeh: every time? | 10:24 |
| meeh | freemangordon: if the phone is not locked, there is sound. | 10:24 |
| meeh | freemangordon: every time. | 10:24 |
| freemangordon | ooh | 10:24 |
| meeh | freemangordon: it's configured to be in the 'general' profile. | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: please don't suggest advanced expert stuff as fix for basic defects that are not supposed to be seen first instance | 10:25 |
| freemangordon | hmm, something is broken (in SW), AIUI you have 2 options: | 10:25 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: which one is advanced? | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meeh: I have none of the stuff freemangordon suggested and I've never seen that problem | 10:26 |
| freemangordon | meeh: 1. reflash | 10:26 |
| freemangordon | 2. install syslog and try to get some info on the problem | 10:26 |
| freemangordon | meeh: missing call sound is not supposed to hapen | 10:27 |
| meeh | I think it's just a configuration setting somewhere myself. | 10:27 |
| freemangordon | meeh: most probably | 10:27 |
| meeh | Except, I have no idea where and I tried to find it in the manual. | 10:27 |
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| freemangordon | but I can;t think of anything but syslog you may try to use to find what the problem is | 10:28 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: my fault, I though initially that he is missing the calls only from time to time | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems obvious to look into lockscreen | 10:28 |
| freemangordon | lockscreen is by no means related to the incomming calls | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously it is | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-20 09:24:45] <meeh> freemangordon: if the phone is not locked, there is sound. | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-20 09:24:48] <meeh> freemangordon: every time. | 10:29 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, you may want to check the (C) of the tklock replacement :P | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, since I don't have such replacement | 10:30 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but meeh has it | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also fail to see how a (C) changes anything regarding this problem | 10:31 |
| meeh | I have the password lock system enabled. | 10:31 |
| meeh | I also have qtlock installed. | 10:32 |
| freemangordon | meeh: oh | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess the latter is the culprit for your issue | 10:32 |
| freemangordon | meeh: try to remove it to see of it will solve the problem | 10:32 |
| freemangordon | *if | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meeh: as a general rule: maemo5 stock usually works just fine (except for copying large amounts of data between internal storage, and for opening and keeping open websites in browser) | 10:34 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the (C) part is about - I *KNOW* what I am talking about when I talk tklock https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-systemui-tklock/source/2f72c1718e53d2ae2506fa37cad9d4195850114a:osso-systemui-tklock.c#L6 | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any massive defects like the one you encounter are usually caused by additional packages installed by user | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you don't want me to comment that | 10:35 |
| freemangordon | sure I don't, I was just explaining :) | 10:35 |
| meeh | DocScrutinizer05: ok, so remove the password lock or qtlock? | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the latter | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea what's password lock | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | meeh: wtf is password lock? | 10:36 |
| meeh | DocScrutinizer05: password lock is a stock system | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the device lock? | 10:36 |
| meeh | DocScrutinizer05: that you can press a numeric code to unlock it. | 10:36 |
| meeh | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that works | 10:36 |
| meeh | So, remove qtlock then? | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | yes | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | meeh: doesn't qtlock have some functionality similar to the media player widget? | 10:37 |
| freemangordon | so you can play/pause music from it? | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHA good point | 10:38 |
| meeh | Sort of, but it does seem to conflict with password lock anyway. | 10:38 |
| freemangordon | meeh: on a side note - if you need some functionality in the stock tklock, just open an enhamcement request on bugs.maemo.org against CSSU | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya, time for brinner, maybe make that brunch | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | bye doc | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | meeh: enhancement even | 10:39 |
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| meeh | Where can I disable the device lock? | 10:54 |
| meeh | Such that I don't need to input a password anymore and can just slide to unlock. | 10:54 |
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| wnd | I'd assume settings -> device lock | 10:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I had a first cursory look at Jollaphone's RF design - read: antennae. Very interesting | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the thing is basically crammed with antennae | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and it has a mechanical (power?)switch operated by a notch on TOH | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TOH seems to have a RFID patch glued in. But then, some remarks say the device can't do NFC/RFID at all, until you get a special NFC-enabled TOH for it | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | removing TOH is about as icky a procedure as it been on N900, probably even worse | 13:23 |
| ShadowJK | icky? | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I'd swap the neutral white TOH for an angry magenta one to show my mood, you could bet that my mood matches the cover, *after* I swapped it | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | I would think that it has NFC support, just that it only has one NFC app, the built-in one that reads the nfc tag on TOH | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | I mean, this is the general state of NFC everywhere. Here in .fi shops have NFC debit/credit card readers, and banks enthusiastically issue cards with NFC support | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's what I thought as well when I seen that *huge* antenna structure, which isn't exactly the coil you'd expect for 14MHz RFID but nevertheless looks like 14MHz suitable | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | But they're not compatible with eachother :D | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, great | 13:26 |
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| ShadowJK | The banks and shops are in a race to deploy the most of THEIR standard so the other is forced to switch | 13:26 |
| jaska | guess i'll have to start storing my card in a tinfoil pouch <.< | 13:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway Jolla body has 6 pogopinns in 3 pairs to TOH | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one pair is puzlling close to a) battery, but b) also to NFC (supposed) antenna and the location where RFID patch seems to sit in TOH | 13:28 |
| ShadowJK | Also this is a little bit of a concern of mine when I see people wishing for neo900 NFC and BT LE.. yeah the hardware can be added, fine, but then what, who will write software stack for it? And there'll always be some nfc thing which will lack sw support | 13:28 |
| ShadowJK | same for bt le | 13:28 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; officially disclosed pins: gnd, 3.3V out, 5V in, 2 x i2c, interrupt | 13:29 |
| ShadowJK | there was a picture somewhere on interwebs labeling them | 13:29 |
| ShadowJK | maybe even on tmo | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, then not | 13:30 |
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| ShadowJK | 3.3V 100mA max recommended 200mA absolute max, iirc | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be more iterested in the link rather than the specs | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OK, the mech switch operated from notch on TOH is NOT a powerswitch | 13:32 |
| ShadowJK | does it have a receive diversity antenna too? :-) | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw NO visible testpads anywhere | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's what I suspect | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm still puzzling tpogether the RF properties and design | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | can you do 850 - 2600MHz with a single antenna? would be kinda inefficient for such wide band | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | counting 4 aerials | 13:35 |
| ShadowJK | otoh i dont think they've said what bands are supported | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, they design antenna in such a way that it pics the right wave pattern in structure for the frequency | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and indeed the "wait for info about bands supported and countries it is compliant to to get released later on" is still open | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either they got a true global multiband design, or they simply ship a design that works for the shipping destination | 13:38 |
| ShadowJK | that's more likely | 13:38 |
| ShadowJK | global designs (even excluding US) seem rare and expensive | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which would be quite a bit of a disappointment for those in USA who bought a jolla from ebay | 13:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Samsung for example also has totally different CPU and RAM amount in different regions for the same phone model | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sure | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see cinterion modules | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LTE global seems a major problem for the chipset builders | 13:40 |
| ShadowJK | Even a single country lte is morphing into pentaband affairs | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UMTS global been about the limit you reasonably can achieve in a embedded design | 13:41 |
| ShadowJK | And then when voice is problematic on lte, you'd need to shut down lte when voice call arrives, or have double set of atennae | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, VoLTE isn't widespread technology yet, usually they do fallback-to-3G for voice | 13:42 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly VoLTE never will make it | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too complex, and carriers don't like it anyway | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically it's (SIP)VoIP with builtin automatic accounting | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and cross-domain authentication | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so carriers have the hassle with accounting and getting the money for the calls, just to pass it on to the voicecall-providers | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while same time losing business on own voice3 minutes | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus all the LTE carriers rather do fallback-to-3G than offering a VoLTE service that per definition needs to be open to competitor voicecall providers too | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway last 2 days I wish I had a dip-meter ranging from 10MHz (err 100kHz) to 4GHz | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe a pulse generator that creates needle bursts ranging from 0 to 4GHz harmonics, and a really good spectrum analyzer | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at least a proper 2GHz+ stroage scope | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I probably could improvise the needle burst generator with a piezo spark from a lighter | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all the antennae are in pretty weird black thick stickytape patches | 13:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, the whole thing has at least 11 screws holding it together | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there is at least one black sticky patch that doesn't look like antenna | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cameras seem to be relatively OK, at least compared to what we've seen for N810/N900-front camera | 13:57 |
| FIQ | [12:26:44] <ShadowJK> The banks and shops are in a race to deploy the most of THEIR standard so the other is forced to switch | 13:57 |
| FIQ | lol nice | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: re NFC and privacy: yes, a huge concern to me too | 13:58 |
| ShadowJK | I bet it will be the same with phone nfc payment | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't see the issue with BLE though, maybe due to my lack of understanding what exactly BLE does | 13:59 |
| ShadowJK | neither apple nor google nor visa nor mastercard will be compatible with the nfc terminals in the shops, and opensource nfc will of course not work with any of those either :P | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/539/#ic1570 | 14:00 |
| ShadowJK | I was under the impression it needed a new software stack | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BLE? | 14:01 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 14:08 |
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| narcos | Hey maimers. | 15:01 |
| narcos | Or, Maimoers, probably. | 15:01 |
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| narcos | Anyone had luck streaming video from their N900 to PC? | 15:07 |
| narcos | I'm following this tutorial, but staring at a blank white canvas - http://blog.pclewis.com/2010/02/streaming-nokia-n900-camera-to-vlc/ | 15:08 |
| joga | I've done it some time ago at least | 15:11 |
| joga | I think I used v4l2loopback | 15:11 |
| * narcos Googles that | 15:12 | |
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| joga | hmm... I have some script on my n900 that essentially runs gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video2 ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host=192.168.1.113 port=5434 | 15:20 |
| joga | I don't have the pc side script handy right now tho... | 15:21 |
| joga | not sure actually if that was the one I used then...need to check | 15:21 |
| narcos | Ya I'm using the same | 15:24 |
| narcos | I can see the UDP data flying over the network now with tshark, so I think it's VLC that's failing to decode it | 15:24 |
| joga | ah actually now I remember, the loopback was because I wanted to use n900 as a webcam | 15:24 |
| joga | I seem to remember no big probs using vlc to watch the stream but it was some time ago | 15:25 |
| joga | does this work any better? gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=$HOST port=$PORT | 15:26 |
| joga | (of course make sure camera lid is open heh) :) | 15:26 |
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| narcos | Sorry, connection dropped. | 15:31 |
| narcos | Last thing I said: | 15:31 |
| narcos | hehe, yes, it's open. Can you remember how you catch it with VLC? I have a .sdp file with v=0 m=video 5434 RTP/AVP 96 c=IN IP4 192.168.1.100 a=rtpmap:96 H264/90000 | 15:31 |
| joga | (1524 joga) ah actually now I remember, the loopback was because I wanted to use n900 as a webcam | 15:31 |
| narcos | But that's for me gstream of: | 15:31 |
| joga | (1525 joga) I seem to remember no big probs using vlc to watch the stream but it was some time ago | 15:31 |
| narcos | gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host=192.168.1.102 port=5434 | 15:31 |
| joga | (1526 joga) does this work any better? gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=$HOST port=$PORT | 15:31 |
| joga | (also make sure camera lid is open if using video0) | 15:32 |
| narcos | and on the PC side? | 15:32 |
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| joga | I forget if there was anything fancy in the sdp file but if the port is ok etc it probably should work, but I haven't messed with those in some time so not sure | 15:33 |
| narcos | OK - I'm fiddling some more | 15:33 |
| joga | what I think I did was use gst-launch on pc side to stuff it into v4l2loopback device but not entirely sure anymore, I do have a linux .iso that has the feature though heh | 15:34 |
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| narcos | ahhh, sounds clever :) | 15:36 |
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| narcos | Weird, the VLC progress bar is moving, but I don't see a video | 15:38 |
| joga | lid is open? ;) | 15:39 |
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| narcos | Right, next is to get it to stream to my Nexus Android tablet.... | 16:21 |
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| narcos | Hmm, VLC on Android gives a blank screen, then exits | 16:46 |
| narcos | I wonder if I can get the n900 to create a local web server streaming the media... | 16:47 |
| narcos | so the client just has to be a browser | 16:47 |
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| narcos | Man, my connection is flakey. | 17:26 |
| narcos | Please remind me how to start a script on boot? | 17:27 |
| narcos | I have one starting, but can't remember how I got it to work | 17:27 |
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| narcos | ah - /etc/event.d/ | 17:28 |
| t3st3r | maybe added to /etc/rc.local? or some /etc/init.d? or some upstart job? | 17:28 |
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| narcos | t3st3r: event.d works nicely - as I can run the script in a visible terminal after the desktop loads | 17:35 |
| narcos | Right, so now when the n900 starts it'll stream video to my laptop | 17:36 |
| narcos | ?which means I'll hopefully get a nice video feed from 400 feet up in the air | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | upstart jobs are good for daemons only, basically | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should use xsession startup stuff | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for apps that run on "desktop" | 17:45 |
| t3st3r | IIRC he haves some camera streaming stuff which is hardly something "desktop" | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, then upstart is just fine :-) | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: please use irc to contact warfare | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: and by the way this been NOT "a promise *I* made"! | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this been a part of the "contract" that Falk offered to maemo/HiFo | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only promise I made was I'd try to handle that on HiFo's behalf | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it turned out I can't | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm defintely not asking you for a private favor | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what for you need Falk anyway | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how hard van it be to look up the phone number of IPHH in HH phonebook? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and to give them a call, asking for bank account details | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "hallo, guten tag! Hier ist Guido von maemo, wir haben einen server bei eich koloziert und wir wollten mal anfragen auf welches konto wir die naechste vertragsrate ueberweisen duerfen. Oh am besten spreche ich wohl mit $hat-den-vertrag-unterzeichnet, weil ich euch auch noch was zu weihnachten vorbeibringen wollte" | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "oh, das hat Falk Stern mit euch ausgehandelt damals" | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Hildon Foundation steht auf dem Vertrag" | 18:13 |
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| Defiant | uuh maemo.org is hostet in HH?! | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since 10 months | 18:19 |
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| Defiant | nice, never expected that | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | courtesy warfare aka Falk Stern, and the great crew of IPHH.com | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IPHH.net actually | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: http://www.iphh.net/de/kontakt.html | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 040 37 49 19-0 | 18:23 |
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