IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-12-20

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spepsHi guys, n900 with a faulty eMMC here, most of the hierarchy got lost but I managed to get it mostly recovered (via ssh+rsync) without reflashing. To get it completed I need the part that is not rebuildable through packages, so here I am with the first question: /home/opt should be -> /opt, right? Thanks01:44
merlin1991 yep01:45
merlin1991or rather /opt is a binmount and /home/opt is the source01:46
spepsmerlin1991: yeah, you're right it's not a symlink but a bind mount, thanks01:49
spepsmerlin1991: I have an 1000:1000 /opt, probably is wrong, can you confirm it should be so or root:root?01:51
merlin1991my opt is root:root01:51
spepsmerlin1991: ok, i think i've got it, i forgot to preserve owner and group while unpacking, thanks again01:54
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spepsmerlin1991: what about /usr/share/themes? I have it as a symlink to /opt/usr/share/themes, is it right?01:58
spepsmerlin1991: I'm wondering which package creates the /opt/usr/share/themes path, seems no one here02:03
merlin1991maemo-optify-run-once or what it's called02:04
merlin1991it moves stuff around on first boot02:04
merlin1991maemo-optify-runonce is the name02:05
merlin1991essentially after pr1.1 nokia realized rootfs is too small02:05
merlin1991so pr1.1.1 came around which essentially was the optify stuff02:05
merlin1991then 1.2 and 1.3 came which already utilized /opt02:05
merlin1991I think they added Qt with 1.1 or 1.2 so a lot more space was needed02:06
merlin1991Qt libs in /opt/libs alone have 43.6 mb02:06
merlin1991and all user apps used to live on rootfs aswell ...02:07
spepsmerlin1991: so probably the whole /opt/usr is created via that script, right?02:08
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merlin1991check the scripts in /usr/sbin/maemo-optify*02:09
spepsmerlin1991: could you ls -R /opt/usr > somefile and pastebin it, so I can check by myself how it should be?02:09
WizzupDont you think reflashing is easier?02:10
spepsWizzup: if I do that again I could puke ;) now it is more a matter of principle :)02:11
Wizzup speps I recall it being better to flash...02:13
Wizzupbut ok :)02:13
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spepsWizzup: long story short, never been in maemo world, a week ago a guy sold me this n900 for few euros, but I discovered the internal eMMC is partially damaged and unfortunately the first sectors, so now I finding a setup that could work fine02:14
Wizzupspeps: if you reflash it should get rid of bad sectors02:14
Wizzupor rather, not use them02:14
spepsWizzup: tried a lot of times, unfortunately having the first sectors damaged means that the partition table gets randomly damaged so it's not a metter of reflashing02:16
spepsmerlin1991: thanks m8, checking right now02:16
Wizzupweird, the card should take care of that...02:16
spepsWizzup: it wouldn't be damaged so ;) or maybe is not the card itself, but I'm not an hardware guy, so I'm still facing it02:18
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spepsmerlin1991: I wonder why the /opt/usr structure is not handled by a package instead of script, maybe a backward compatibility reason? In case of conflicts it could be handled in a pre-install script too02:28
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merlin1991because /opt/* got created after the fact02:29
merlin1991but it couldn't get created by new packages because that would have filled up rootfs when extracting / dl all the packages that needed to move content around02:30
spepsmerlin1991: I admit I'm really new to n900, but on a first look the script looks to check whenever there is enough space to do the operation, so it could be potentially used in a pre-install script of a new packages, when and who calls the script?02:38
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spepsmerlin1991: sorry I gave you the wrong command, I meant ls -lR /opt/usr (it wouldn't show eventual symlinks if it has)02:53
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merlin1991I noticed that and made a new txt, but I think I did that before posting it, anyways try F5 :)02:54
spepsmerlin1991: the file is still the same, but I don't it depends on the fact that I'm more an Ctrl+R over F5 guy ;) btw it could be indifferent, probably /opt/usr has not symlinks, you can confirm02:59
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int_uaAnyone knows the best way to push two arguments through g_idle_add() ?03:50
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spepsmerlin1991: Ok, never mind. I did it, I restored the whole thing without reflashing :)06:27
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DocScrutinizer05hah, now run a fsck against mmcblk0p206:52
DocScrutinizer05don't use autofix!06:52
DocScrutinizer05just *check*06:52
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meehWhen my phone is locked and someone calls me, I don't hear any sound (so, I miss the call). I don't want that to happen. What can I do about that?10:19
meehIt's an N900.10:20
freemangordonmeeh: move the swap on uSD and install cssu-thumb10:20
freemangordonmeeh: and in case you have battery/speedpatch installed - remove them10:21
meehfreemangordon: that is a bit too much of a mental leap for me to see the relation between those things.10:21
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meehfreemangordon: is this documented somewhere?10:22
infobothmm... cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or, or
infoboti heard swappolube is
infobothmm... ereswap is anti swap-fragmentation tool for maemo:
meehfreemangordon: I think I am already using that.10:23
freemangordonwhich one?10:23
meehfreemangordon: I noticed a huge improvement.10:23
meehfreemangordon: the thumb part10:23
freemangordonmeeh: and you still have missed call notifications?10:23
freemangordonthat's more than weird10:24
meehfreemangordon: the problem is that there is no sound during a locked call screen.10:24
freemangordonmeeh: every time?10:24
meehfreemangordon: if the phone is not locked, there is sound.10:24
meehfreemangordon: every time.10:24
meehfreemangordon: it's configured to be in the 'general' profile.10:25
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: please don't suggest advanced expert stuff as fix for basic defects that are not supposed to be seen first instance10:25
freemangordonhmm, something is broken (in SW), AIUI you have 2 options:10:25
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: which one is advanced?10:25
DocScrutinizer05meeh: I have none of the stuff freemangordon suggested and I've never seen that problem10:26
freemangordonmeeh: 1. reflash10:26
freemangordon2. install syslog and try to get some info on the problem10:26
freemangordonmeeh: missing call sound is not supposed to hapen10:27
meehI think it's just a configuration setting somewhere myself.10:27
freemangordonmeeh: most probably10:27
meehExcept, I have no idea where and I tried to find it in the manual.10:27
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freemangordonbut I can;t think of anything but syslog you may try to use to find what the problem is10:28
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: my fault, I though initially that he is missing the calls only from time to time10:28
DocScrutinizer05it seems obvious to look into lockscreen10:28
freemangordonlockscreen is by no means related to the incomming calls10:29
DocScrutinizer05obviously it is10:29
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-20 09:24:45] <meeh> freemangordon: if the phone is not locked, there is sound.10:29
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-20 09:24:48] <meeh> freemangordon: every time.10:29
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, you may want to check the (C) of the tklock replacement :P10:30
DocScrutinizer05no, since I don't have such replacement10:30
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: but meeh has it10:31
DocScrutinizer05I also fail to see how a (C) changes anything regarding this problem10:31
meehI have the password lock system enabled.10:31
meehI also have qtlock installed.10:32
freemangordonmeeh: oh10:32
DocScrutinizer05I'd guess the latter is the culprit for your issue10:32
freemangordonmeeh: try to remove it to see of it will solve the problem10:32
DocScrutinizer05meeh: as a general rule: maemo5 stock usually works just fine (except for copying large amounts of data between internal storage, and for opening and keeping open websites in browser)10:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: the (C) part is about - I *KNOW* what I am talking about when I talk tklock
DocScrutinizer05any massive defects like the one you encounter are usually caused by additional packages installed by user10:34
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you don't want me to comment that10:35
freemangordonsure I don't, I was just explaining :)10:35
meehDocScrutinizer05: ok, so remove the password lock or qtlock?10:35
DocScrutinizer05the latter10:36
DocScrutinizer05no idea what's password lock10:36
freemangordonmeeh: wtf is password lock?10:36
meehDocScrutinizer05: password lock is a stock system10:36
DocScrutinizer05the device lock?10:36
meehDocScrutinizer05: that you can press a numeric code to unlock it.10:36
meehDocScrutinizer05: yes10:36
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that works10:36
meehSo, remove qtlock then?10:36
freemangordonmeeh: doesn't qtlock have some functionality similar to the media player widget?10:37
freemangordonso you can play/pause music from it?10:38
DocScrutinizer05BWAHAHA good point10:38
meehSort of, but it does seem to conflict with password lock anyway.10:38
freemangordonmeeh: on a side note - if you need some functionality in the stock tklock, just open an enhamcement request on against CSSU10:39
DocScrutinizer05cya, time for brinner, maybe make that brunch10:39
freemangordonbye doc10:39
freemangordonmeeh: enhancement even10:39
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meehWhere can I disable the device lock?10:54
meehSuch that I don't need to input a password anymore and can just slide to unlock.10:54
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wndI'd assume settings -> device lock10:58
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DocScrutinizer05I had a first cursory look at Jollaphone's RF design - read: antennae. Very interesting13:18
DocScrutinizer05the thing is basically crammed with antennae13:18
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, and it has a mechanical (power?)switch operated by a notch on TOH13:19
DocScrutinizer05TOH seems to have a RFID patch glued in. But then, some remarks say the device can't do NFC/RFID at all, until you get a special NFC-enabled TOH for it13:21
DocScrutinizer05removing TOH is about as icky a procedure as it been on N900, probably even worse13:23
DocScrutinizer05when I'd swap the neutral white TOH for an angry magenta one to show my mood, you could bet that my mood matches the cover, *after* I swapped it13:24
ShadowJKI would think that it has NFC support, just that it only has one NFC app, the built-in one that reads the nfc tag on TOH13:24
ShadowJKI mean, this is the general state of NFC everywhere. Here in .fi shops have NFC debit/credit card readers, and banks enthusiastically issue cards with NFC support13:25
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's what I thought as well when I seen that *huge* antenna structure, which isn't exactly the coil you'd expect for 14MHz RFID but nevertheless looks like 14MHz suitable13:25
ShadowJKBut they're not compatible with eachother :D13:26
DocScrutinizer05LOL, great13:26
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ShadowJKThe banks and shops are in a race to deploy the most of THEIR standard so the other is forced to switch13:26
jaskaguess i'll have to start storing my card in a tinfoil pouch <.<13:26
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DocScrutinizer05anyway Jolla body has 6 pogopinns in 3 pairs to TOH13:27
DocScrutinizer05one pair is puzlling close to a) battery, but b) also to NFC (supposed) antenna and the location where RFID patch seems to sit in TOH13:28
ShadowJKAlso this is a little bit of a concern of mine when I see people wishing for neo900 NFC and BT LE.. yeah the hardware can be added, fine, but then what, who will write software stack for it? And there'll always be some nfc thing which will lack sw support13:28
ShadowJKsame for bt le13:28
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; officially disclosed pins: gnd, 3.3V out, 5V in, 2 x i2c, interrupt13:29
ShadowJKthere was a picture somewhere on interwebs labeling them13:29
ShadowJKmaybe even on tmo13:29
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DocScrutinizer05meh, then not13:30
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ShadowJK3.3V 100mA max recommended 200mA absolute max, iirc13:30
DocScrutinizer05I'd be more iterested in the link rather than the specs13:30
DocScrutinizer05OK, the mech switch operated from notch on TOH is NOT a powerswitch13:32
ShadowJKdoes it have a receive diversity antenna too? :-)13:33
DocScrutinizer05btw NO visible testpads anywhere13:33
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: that's what I suspect13:34
DocScrutinizer05though I'm still puzzling tpogether the RF properties and design13:34
ShadowJKcan you do 850 - 2600MHz with a single antenna? would be kinda inefficient for such wide band13:35
DocScrutinizer05counting 4 aerials13:35
ShadowJKotoh i dont think they've said what bands are supported13:35
DocScrutinizer05nah, they design antenna in such a way that it pics the right wave pattern in structure for the frequency13:35
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DocScrutinizer05and indeed the "wait for info about bands supported and countries it is compliant to to get released later on" is still open13:37
DocScrutinizer05either they got a true global multiband design, or they simply ship a design that works for the shipping destination13:38
ShadowJKthat's more likely13:38
ShadowJKglobal designs (even excluding US) seem rare and expensive13:39
DocScrutinizer05which would be quite a bit of a disappointment for those in USA who bought a jolla from ebay13:39
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ShadowJKSamsung for example also has totally different CPU and RAM amount in different regions for the same phone model13:39
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sure13:40
DocScrutinizer05see cinterion modules13:40
DocScrutinizer05LTE global seems a major problem for the chipset builders13:40
ShadowJKEven a single country lte is morphing into pentaband affairs13:41
DocScrutinizer05UMTS global been about the limit you reasonably can achieve in a embedded design13:41
ShadowJKAnd then when voice is problematic on lte, you'd need to shut down lte when voice call arrives, or have double set of atennae13:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, VoLTE isn't widespread technology yet, usually they do fallback-to-3G for voice13:42
DocScrutinizer05possibly VoLTE never will make it13:42
DocScrutinizer05too complex, and carriers don't like it anyway13:43
DocScrutinizer05basically it's (SIP)VoIP with builtin automatic accounting13:44
DocScrutinizer05and cross-domain authentication13:44
DocScrutinizer05so carriers have the hassle with accounting and getting the money for the calls, just to pass it on to the voicecall-providers13:45
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DocScrutinizer05while same time losing business on own voice3 minutes13:46
DocScrutinizer05thus all the LTE carriers rather do fallback-to-3G than offering a VoLTE service that per definition needs to be open to competitor voicecall providers too13:47
DocScrutinizer05anyway last 2 days I wish I had a dip-meter ranging from 10MHz (err 100kHz) to 4GHz13:48
DocScrutinizer05or maybe a pulse generator that creates needle bursts ranging from 0 to 4GHz harmonics, and a really good spectrum analyzer13:50
DocScrutinizer05or at least a proper 2GHz+ stroage scope13:50
DocScrutinizer05I probably could improvise the needle burst generator with a piezo spark from a lighter13:51
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DocScrutinizer05all the antennae are in pretty weird black thick stickytape patches13:52
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, the whole thing has at least 11 screws holding it together13:53
DocScrutinizer05and there is at least one black sticky patch that doesn't look like antenna13:55
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DocScrutinizer05cameras seem to be relatively OK, at least compared to what we've seen for N810/N900-front camera13:57
FIQ[12:26:44] <ShadowJK> The banks and shops are in a race to deploy the most of THEIR standard so the other is forced to switch13:57
FIQlol nice13:57
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: re NFC and privacy: yes, a huge concern to me too13:58
ShadowJKI bet it will be the same with phone nfc payment13:59
DocScrutinizer05don't see the issue with BLE though, maybe due to my lack of understanding what exactly BLE does13:59
ShadowJKneither apple nor google nor visa nor mastercard will be compatible with the nfc terminals in the shops, and opensource nfc will of course not work with any of those either :P14:00
ShadowJKI was under the impression it needed a new software stack14:00
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narcosHey maimers.15:01
narcosOr, Maimoers, probably.15:01
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narcosAnyone had luck streaming video from their N900 to PC?15:07
narcosI'm following this tutorial, but staring at a blank white canvas -
jogaI've done it some time ago at least15:11
jogaI think I used v4l2loopback15:11
* narcos Googles that15:12
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jogahmm... I have some script on my n900 that essentially runs gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video2 ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host= port=543415:20
jogaI don't have the pc side script handy right now tho...15:21
joganot sure actually if that was the one I used then...need to check15:21
narcosYa I'm using the same15:24
narcosI can see the UDP data flying over the network now with tshark, so I think it's VLC that's failing to decode it15:24
jogaah actually now I remember, the loopback was because I wanted to use n900 as a webcam15:24
jogaI seem to remember no big probs using vlc to watch the stream but it was some time ago15:25
jogadoes this work any better? gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=$HOST port=$PORT15:26
joga(of course make sure camera lid is open heh) :)15:26
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narcosSorry, connection dropped.15:31
narcosLast thing I said:15:31
narcoshehe, yes, it's open. Can you remember how you catch it with VLC? I have a .sdp file with   v=0   m=video 5434 RTP/AVP 96   c=IN IP4   a=rtpmap:96 H264/9000015:31
joga(1524  joga) ah actually now I remember, the loopback was because I wanted to use n900 as a webcam15:31
narcosBut that's for me gstream of:15:31
joga(1525  joga) I seem to remember no big probs using vlc to watch the stream but it was some time ago15:31
narcosgst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host= port=543415:31
joga(1526  joga) does this work any better? gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink  host=$HOST port=$PORT15:31
joga(also make sure camera lid is open if using video0)15:32
narcosand on the PC side?15:32
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jogaI forget if there was anything fancy in the sdp file but if the port is ok etc it probably should work, but I haven't messed with those in some time so not sure15:33
narcosOK - I'm fiddling some more15:33
jogawhat I think I did was use gst-launch on pc side to stuff it into v4l2loopback device but not entirely sure anymore, I do have a linux .iso that has the feature though heh15:34
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narcosahhh, sounds clever :)15:36
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narcosWeird, the VLC progress bar is moving, but I don't see a video15:38
jogalid is open? ;)15:39
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narcosRight, next is to get it to stream to my Nexus Android tablet....16:21
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narcosHmm, VLC on Android gives a blank screen, then exits16:46
narcosI wonder if I can get the n900 to create a local web server streaming the media...16:47
narcosso the client just has to be a browser16:47
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narcosMan, my connection is flakey.17:26
narcosPlease remind me how to start a script on boot?17:27
narcosI have one starting, but can't remember how I got it to work17:27
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narcosah - /etc/event.d/17:28
t3st3rmaybe added to /etc/rc.local? or some /etc/init.d? or some upstart job?17:28
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narcost3st3r: event.d works nicely - as I can run the script in a visible terminal after the desktop loads17:35
narcosRight, so now when the n900 starts it'll stream video to my laptop17:36
narcos?which means I'll hopefully get a nice video feed from 400 feet up in the air17:36
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DocScrutinizer05upstart jobs are good for daemons only, basically17:44
DocScrutinizer05you should use xsession startup stuff17:44
DocScrutinizer05for apps that run on "desktop"17:45
t3st3rIIRC he haves some camera streaming stuff which is hardly something "desktop"17:47
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, then upstart is just fine :-)17:49
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DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: please use irc to contact warfare18:00
DocScrutinizer05warfare: and by the way this been NOT "a promise *I* made"!18:02
DocScrutinizer05this been a part of the "contract" that Falk offered to maemo/HiFo18:02
DocScrutinizer05the only promise I made was I'd try to handle that on HiFo's behalf18:03
DocScrutinizer05it turned out I can't18:03
DocScrutinizer05I'm defintely not asking you for a private favor18:04
DocScrutinizer05I wonder what for you need Falk anyway18:08
DocScrutinizer05how hard van it be to look up the phone number of IPHH in HH phonebook?18:08
DocScrutinizer05and to give them a call, asking for bank account details18:08
DocScrutinizer05"hallo, guten tag! Hier ist Guido von maemo, wir haben einen server bei eich koloziert und wir wollten mal anfragen auf welches konto wir die naechste vertragsrate ueberweisen duerfen. Oh am besten spreche ich wohl mit $hat-den-vertrag-unterzeichnet, weil ich euch auch noch was zu weihnachten vorbeibringen wollte"18:11
DocScrutinizer05"oh, das hat Falk Stern mit euch ausgehandelt damals"18:12
DocScrutinizer05"Hildon Foundation steht auf dem Vertrag"18:13
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Defiantuuh is hostet in HH?!18:18
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DocScrutinizer05since 10 months18:19
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Defiantnice, never expected that18:20
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DocScrutinizer05courtesy warfare aka Falk Stern, and the great crew of IPHH.com18:21 actually18:22
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