IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-12-16

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amonkHmm.  Something is definitely wrong with that formula, or the number fed to it (i.e. "UTRA channel"), so I'm unfortunately in high doubt again.  I switched to a roaming provider that displays 21777 for "UTRA channel," which comes out as 21777 / 5 = 4355, which is pretty far from any defined UMTS frequency. :-/03:43
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DocScrutinizer05the formula is only the common denominator and has many special rules and extensions04:10
amonkWell, I have confirmation on that formula, at least for most circumstances [argh!] (cite:, *but* 1850.1 is first subtracted from the frequency *if* it's a band II "additional channel" (whatever that vague shit is, and however it's known!).  In any case, reversing the formula for a band II  "additional channel" doesn't work with 9992 or [especially] 21777 either, so all I can figure is that whatever MeeCel04:11
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DocScrutinizer05in te end you will need to use a lookup-table based on 3GPP publications04:11
DocScrutinizer05>>A UARFCN (abbreviation for UTRA Absolute Radio Frequency Channel Number, where UTRA stands for UMTS Terrestrial Radio Access) is used to identify a frequency in the UMTS frequency bands .Typically channel number is derived from the frequency in MHz through the formula Channel Number = Frequency * 5. However, this is only able to represent channels that are centered on a multiple of 200 kHz, which do not align with licensing in North04:13
DocScrutinizer05America. 3GPP added several special values for the common North American channels.<<04:13
amonkWell, *if* I could be certain MeeCell is calling UARFCN "UTRA channel," and I could find definitive, *comprehensive* information regarding its  calculation, I'd be happy to do that. :)04:13
DocScrutinizer05  last rightmost col04:14
amonkYeah, already read that partially vague, incomprehensive shit, but thanks again. :)04:14
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DocScrutinizer059992 seems to be band-304:16
DocScrutinizer051800 DCS04:17
amonkYup, thanks.  Saw that too (but as a point of fact, it doesn't indicate *when* to use which formula in the many cases were there is an auxiliary formula).04:18
amonkHmm.  Looking into that last couple comments.  Thanks...04:18
DocScrutinizer05I however can't find any 5-digit UARFCN04:18
amonkYeah, and that^  Grrrr!04:19
DocScrutinizer05(when to use formula) those are meant to calculate channel number from frequency04:19
DocScrutinizer05not the other way round04:19
amonkAnd 9992 looked just out of range to me as well.  Rechecking based on your comment above now...04:19
DocScrutinizer05you first should make sure you're really looking at a UARFCN at all04:20
DocScrutinizer05then make sure if it's meant for UpLink or for DownLink04:21
DocScrutinizer05then use a LUT to find the associated band04:21
amonkRE: "when"  : yup, but should work backwards too, even if you have to try both.  I just find half-assed anything annoying, especially when it violates the principle of parsimony.  I'm used to this shit, but tstill.  Grrrrr!!!04:21
DocScrutinizer05(col 4/5:6/7 of
amonk"you first should make sure you're really looking at a UARFCN at all" <-- yeah, that. :)04:22
amonk"then make sure if it's meant for UpLink or for DownLink" <-- and that. :)  Ug.04:22
amonkWhy do people so often make the simple hard?  Oy vey. :-/04:23
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DocScrutinizer05well, their goals were not your goals, they are not interested in the actual RF frequency04:28
DocScrutinizer05and tbh I wonder why you are04:28
DocScrutinizer05not means as "meh, doesn't matter" - I'm also interested in that kind of stuff/info, but I don't know why you are04:29
DocScrutinizer05maybe for solving the problem you're tackling there's a simpler way. E.G. when carriers would publish the UARFCN they support04:30
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DocScrutinizer05alas BB5 modem is really braindamaged when it comes to extended AT commandset04:31
DocScrutinizer05maybe reading ISI specs and implementing an according function on phonet IF level would provide the info you're interested in04:32
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infobotmethinks isi is Ingénierie des Systèmes Informatiques04:33
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(04:33
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DocScrutinizer05amonk: sth like s Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip04:47
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DocScrutinizer05google for "Wireless Modem API G2 V2"04:48
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amonkDocScrutinizer05:  Still looking into your DCS comment (though it seems pretty unlikely because I'm using T-Mobile in the USA, which is in the process of moving their UMTS from AWS to PCS [i.e. not DCS, so I *should* be using a UARFCN in band 4 or 2 only, at least when not roaming].  Why am I interested?  There are many reasons to want/need to know such things, as you are clearly aware.  In this case, I have an old amplifier and antenna, each of which suppo05:01
DocScrutinizer05seems your client doesn't know about continuation lines05:03
DocScrutinizer05(trunkated at >>I have an old amplifier and antenna, each of which suppo<<)05:03
DocScrutinizer05amplifier?? :-o05:04
DocScrutinizer05N900 not even has an official support to connect external WWAN antenna, not to think about amplifiers05:05
amonkDocScrutinizer05: What exactly is that zip file?  I am using a Huawei E1691 at the moment (and an internal Iridium document for AT commands that is highly applicable, though for the wrong equipment).  Sure would like accurate docs, but my motto is "shitty docs are better than no docs." lol05:05
DocScrutinizer05Iridium? douböe-plus- :-O05:06
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amonkHmm.  Never had that "continuation" issue.  Here's the rest (or at least more - lol - let me know). ..."each of which support band 2, so if I am actually using a tower which has already switched to to band 2, I can use the combo to significantly boost my signal in my current location (which is admittedly already pretty good), and thereby increase my bandwidth. :D  I *probably* don't really need the UARFCN in this case (need to check my amp and antenna specs05:07
DocScrutinizer05probably any Iridium docs about AT are the least applicable for GSM/UMTS05:07
amonkTheir extended Hayes commands have the highest degree of hits I've found for this device.  Better doc suggestions quite welcome. :D05:08
amonkI was surprised how accurate it is too.05:09
DocScrutinizer05No clue about Huawei E169105:10
nox-there also is this:
nox-(at commands etc)05:17
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amonkIt's just a shitty USB stick (needs usb_modeswitch), but I already had it (though I had to unlock it when I went back into the USA - fuckers!), it's pentaband [including AWS] and has an external antenna port.  I'll switch to a PCIe inside myblack box at some point, but this works for now.  Consumer/COTS devices never have AT docs in my experience.  It's always a hack-n-slash proposition. :-/05:18
amonk"What exactly is that zip file?"05:18
amonkAnd what is "BB5 modem?"05:19
amonk"maybe reading ISI specs and implementing an according function on phonet IF level would provide the info you're interested in" <-- yeah, some good docs on that would probably be pretty handy. :D05:21
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amonknox-: Saw that first like, but it's all "meeting minutes" indirection or something - tl;dr.  That second link is a nice bullseye though.  That's probably more accurate than my Iridium docs - lol.  Will check it out later.  Thanks. :)05:30
infobotamonk meant: nox-: Saw that first link, but it's all "meeting minutes" indirection or something - tl;dr.  That second link is a nice bullseye though.  That's probably more accurate than my Iridium docs - lol.  Will check it out later.  Thanks. :)05:30
amonkinb4 :-P05:30
nox-the first link links the second05:31
nox-`RTS/TSGC-0127007vb80' in the right column05:31
amonkDocScrutinizer05: And... why are *you* interested in such things? :)05:31
amonknox-: yeah, I'm sure it does if you dig around through all the links enough, but it was too much bureaucratic crap for me to digest at the time. :)05:32
amonkThanks again for the direct hit! :D05:33
amonkI was in too big a hurry at the time.  I clicked on like 3 out of 200 damn links with no joy, gave up and moved on.  My bad.05:37
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DocScrutinizer05amonk: well, I do stuff like, or
amonkSa-weeeet!  Saw Neo900 pop up recently.  Sooo interested in that.  I have two N900s, so I'll definitely Neo one. :D06:15
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DocScrutinizer05so watching the second youtube link and reading the ML mail from 2008 it's based upon, you see why I'm interested in such stuff. It allows me to come up with ideas like this06:32
DocScrutinizer05and for example that idea which provides Germany-wide location to an accuracy of up to 50m, without relying on GPS at all, I think that's worth it to learn about that stuff06:34
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DocScrutinizer05and when we can get sufficient control over the modem in Neo900, I might implement this locating function there, thus providing another very unique selling point for the Neo90006:35
nox-does that only work with an o2 sim tho?06:36
amonkDocScrutinizer05: Cool link on location stuff.  Here's one from me. :)  ...although EVDOforums cut the end off as being probably a little too "in yer face." lol  It said...  "P.S.  And tell Dave Taylor to ask Kyle Amon!"  With a link to...  I don't know if he still does, but at the time, that clown was charging people to ask him geek qu06:37
DocScrutinizer05the gauss-wegener coords are only available on O2(-Germany) BTS afaik. For other carriers you need a database about the location of BTS, which are already available for many carriers and countries06:37
DocScrutinizer05amonk: you're also cutting off the ends... of your posts06:38
amonkHuh.  Not me.  Maybe some new option I activated a while back.  I'll look into it soonish.  Where did the last one end?06:39
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* - prolly after the same cunt of chars as the 2 or 3 previous truncated ones06:40
DocScrutinizer05ask him geek qu06:40
DocScrutinizer05count, even06:41
DocScrutinizer05whatever MYOB IRC is, it doesn't know to handle overlength posts06:42
amonkMYOB is my custom CTCP version response to "Mind Your Own Business." lol06:45
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amonkIt used to know.  I must have broken it lately when mucking with it. :-/  Thanks for letting me know.  Will put it into the fixit fifo. ;)06:47
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amonkHadn't seen OpenPhoenux yet (or OHSW).  Nice.  Thanks. :)07:10
amonkDocScrutinizer05: Are you the main driver of Neo900?07:10
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DocScrutinizer05well, prolly yes07:10
amonkcool.  respect. :)07:11
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SAiFanybody play badminton?08:15
SAiFwhich is a good racquet for a beginner.08:16
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amonkBe nice if this one had good audio. :-/
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iDavidanybody here?12:31
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Sicelohaha.. so fast12:33
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DocScrutinizer05 ;-D13:20
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* DocScrutinizer05 wishes the N900 BB5 modem would support this AT command OOTB13:25
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DocScrutinizer05^SMONI: 2G,786,-101,262,03,2401,8EEB,--,--,3,1,G,LIMSRV13:34
DocScrutinizer05this is without any antenna(!) (-101dBm BCCH signal level) and no SIM (= LIMSRV, only 911 calls allowed)13:36
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DocScrutinizer05thus, without antenna: no neighbour cells13:39
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DocScrutinizer05FEDEX TRACKING NUMBER "7.975234E+11"  -- not found!  O*M*G!!!!14:05
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks14:06
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jaskaive seen phone numbers as doubles before14:06
DocScrutinizer05honestly how hard can it be to print a tracking number as string and not as scientific number14:07
DocScrutinizer05now I converted that shit to sth like 797523400000 and fedex tells me >>Not foun dNo record of this tracking number can be found. For more information, please contact Customer Service at 1.800.GoFedEx 1.800.463.3339<< - now if only I knew if I got the number right, or this is just a bogus crippled number the fsckdup Jolla mailing script created from the actual 12 (non-zero) digits of the true tracking number14:17
RaimuHaha, "I rounded it up for you"14:18
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DocScrutinizer05not only Jolla fails to send proper multipart/alternative or even plaintext mails, now they send out my device and tell me to check/track on fedex with a float as tracking-ID. I bet this parcel will retur to them, since I can't catch the fedex drone which will inevitably result in "Address not found, return to sender"14:35
DocScrutinizer05and of course the mail is from <> THANKYOU!14:38
DocScrutinizer05sure I'll call US-fedex customer service now, to find out that they also need at least proper tracking number - for a parcel adressed at GERMANY >:-(14:39
DocScrutinizer05I honestly wonder how much you can mess up with one device to ship14:41
DocScrutinizer05for the great t-shirt I got a tracking number 3 months before they shipped, I have no clue how that would've helped - unless I had checked every day if maybe status of my parcel changed14:42
* DocScrutinizer05 angrily switches off the PHS8-P Neo900-protoboard, to not drain battery while ranting about silly Jolla. Then heads out to do more pleasant things14:43
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DocScrutinizer05>>we are very sorry that you have received the wrong tracking code.15:22
DocScrutinizer05The lack of tracking code is due to a technical error and we are currently trying to solve this and resend your code.15:22
DocScrutinizer05The good news is that your Jolla is on its way and you should receive it within a few days!15:22
DocScrutinizer05Thank you for your patience!<<15:22
DocScrutinizer05NOT without tracking number, sorry Jolla but FEDEX is as silly as you are, just for not finding the door in our house15:23
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DocScrutinizer05so I don't think this are exactly the good news15:24
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ampharoscalling it, jolla deader than n9 on arrival15:25
ampharosi bet 50 east german marks15:26
DocScrutinizer05at least they hired a premium first level help desk and customer care15:27
DocScrutinizer05which actually answers in 20min and is indeed capable of sending plain text mails instead of HTML-only15:28
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; i heard if you take order number (either the long one, or the short one in the url in my orders), you can find package by reference on fedex15:40
ShadowJKAlso, many people reported jolla arriving before tracking code email15:40
ShadowJKSo your jolla might be halfway to Uzbekistan already, or wherver fedex's "Convenient" stash of "recipient not at home" packages go15:41
DocScrutinizer05don't get the "order number" trick15:42
ShadowJKYa dunno, think someone was hacking randomm copypasted numbers into fedex and accidentally found their jolla15:44
DocScrutinizer05I think that doesn't work15:52
DocScrutinizer05I can't come up with more made up numbers that have any relation to my order. And the ones I tried are almost all invalid15:52
ShadowJKnot tracking numbers, but by reference15:53
ShadowJKwhatever that means15:53
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DocScrutinizer05I don't see a way to serch "by refrence" on fedex16:26
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DocScrutinizer05there's "frachtbriefnummer" you can serch for, but that doesn't yield any result either16:31
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ShadowJKircers said it was a page with src dst countries and "reference"16:33
* ShadowJK shrugs16:33
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DocScrutinizer05I have a hex "order id" and "Order #200001553 - Shipped" from and "Your Shipment #200000382 for Order #200001553" from that nonsensical mail16:36
DocScrutinizer05then there's "SKU    311013103A1110131001" which I bet is same for every customer16:36
ShadowJKand scientific notation tracking number16:37
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DocScrutinizer05which most definitely has 6 digits rounded away16:37
ShadowJKwhat's your postal code?16:39
DocScrutinizer05and I'm feeling pretty pissed about jolla stealing my time16:39
ShadowJKfound it16:41
ShadowJKi think they attempted deliver already :P16:42
* ShadowJK tries to figure out how to link this16:42
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: -> verfolgen dropdown (oben mitte) -> Per referenznummer verfolgen (ganz rechts 2tes von unten)16:44
DocScrutinizer05Kunde nicht angetroffen oder Geschäft geschlossen16:44
ShadowJKyou found it too?16:44
DocScrutinizer05yeah, finally16:45
DocScrutinizer05weird shit16:45
ShadowJKso it's on its way to fedex pickup point in Uzbekistan then16:45
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DocScrutinizer05if Jolla had asked, I could've told them that fedex regularly fails to understand that the door of our house is at the backside16:56
DocScrutinizer05and thus sending by fedex is generally useless16:56
DocScrutinizer05I won't make a door at frontside for the fedex idiot16:57
ShadowJKI hate couriers16:57
ShadowJKExcept one, that was awesome16:57
ShadowJKThe doors were locked, and I was away, but he managed to get in, and had left parcel on kitchen table :D16:58
tillDocScrutinizer05 i got the same..16:58
tillalthough I was at home during the time noted....16:58
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: LOL16:58
DocScrutinizer05till: I was at home too, but I didn't know I had to hang out of the window and wait for the fedex dummy to stop in front of my house17:00
tillwe even have a small shop in our house, but they didn't delivered there but just put a note "we missed you". and nothing about how to continue..17:01
DocScrutinizer05since Jolla didn't manage to send this idiotic mail before the parcel arrived and moved on17:01
tilldhl ftw17:01
DocScrutinizer05fedex is abysmal17:01
DocScrutinizer05they are so busy delivering parcels a second and third time that they have no time doing it right on the first try17:02
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tillthe support chat now changed the address to my office17:02
DocScrutinizer05and then they complain that they don't earn money17:02
DocScrutinizer05support chat? hah, I failed to even get there17:03
DocScrutinizer05which maybe is a good thing, since otherwise random rogue person would redirect my parcel to Russia17:04
tillwell I don't want to pay more money for their support hotline...17:04
tilland there is no note about a second try17:04
DocScrutinizer05I at least have "will retry tomorrow"17:04
tillevery other courier just deliveres to the small shop downstairs... but not fedex....17:05
DocScrutinizer05also supposedly there's a miss tag on my door (no it's not) or somewhere where I yet have to spot it17:05
DocScrutinizer05every other courier delivers to my neighbour, particularly since I alwas write "c/o <neighbour1>/<neighbour2>", but sure, not fedex17:06
tillwell, tomorrow will be exactly one week until christmas...17:07
DocScrutinizer05tomorrow will be early enough to check if "does it blend?"17:08
DocScrutinizer05I can't think of anything else I would want to do with jPhone, since it comes without flasher17:09
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Win7Macsurprised to see you ordered a jolla, Doc, but... just to find out if it blends?17:56
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ampharosnah, see how bad the dumbkopfs were17:57
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DocScrutinizer05I guess none of my last 4 lines made it?18:03
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DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: I regret I didn't preorder 518:03
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: best deal ever, they go on ebay for 250%18:03
DocScrutinizer05so, if I had the money, I should've preordered 10018:03
DocScrutinizer05and then have a looooong holiday and forget about all this mess18:03
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Win7Macbut why you bought it? you build your own device after all...18:05
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DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: honestly, I don't feel like supporting this "project". It doesn't feel right to me, it seems even worse than maemo/meego ever been18:23
DocScrutinizer05this is my personal take on it, of course I'll support community on their following the rat piper18:23
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DocScrutinizer05pied piper? hmmm18:25
Win7Macstill its a better alternative to the 2,5 big players18:25
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Win7Macany idea why the timestamps in Hexchat shows actual time for all missed lines. Is this a client- or znc-problem?18:30
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Win7MacI mean actual time = time of opening hexchat18:31
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DocScrutinizer05this is a feature of clients18:32
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DocScrutinizer05ZNC offers the true timestamp, either leading or trailing18:32
DocScrutinizer05moin dos118:33
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vi__does jolla use the same VM task swap BS that makes android suck so many asses?18:37
Win7Macthanks, unfortunately I seem to have no settings for that in Hexchat18:37
DocScrutinizer05that's ZNC!18:37
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Win7MacI know, but you said "it's a client feature"18:38
DocScrutinizer05the timestamp you see is a client feature18:38
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DocScrutinizer05<Win7Mac> any idea why the timestamps in Hexchat shows actual time for all missed lines. Is this a client- or znc-problem? <DocScrutinizer05> this is a feature of clients18:39
DocScrutinizer05client can't know what's a "missed line"18:39
Win7MacHexchat = client, ZNC = bouncer18:40
DocScrutinizer05if it would, you wouldn't need a bouncer18:40
DocScrutinizer05so each client tags all inbound lines with current time18:40
DocScrutinizer05ZNC however has an option to tag the lines in "body" with the "true" timestamp18:41
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DocScrutinizer05so for "missed lines" you get *two* tmestamps18:42
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Win7Macso it *is* a setting in ZNC... what would the format be then? (like [%H:%M:%S])18:43
DocScrutinizer05I told you [2013-12-16 17:32:53] <DocScrutinizer05> ZNC offers the true timestamp, either leading or trailing18:44
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-16 17:37:32] <DocScrutinizer05> that's ZNC!18:44
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Win7Macgot it, thanks18:52
ShadowJKThis N900 seems to corrupt optfs rather frequently..18:57
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ShadowJKanother trip to backupmenu..19:07
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ShadowJKlooks unfixable fs19:13
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DocScrutinizer05eMMC nroken?19:21
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DocScrutinizer05broken even19:21
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ShadowJKeach fsck pass seems to make it worse19:31
ShadowJKHad an unexpected shutdown earlier today, mightve started from that19:31
freemangordonShadowJK: which fsck?19:31
freemangordonwhat version that is19:31
ShadowJKwhatever is in backupmenu19:31
freemangordonShadowJK: does backupmenu comes with its own fsck?19:33
ShadowJKYeah I think so19:33
freemangordonShadowJK: in cssu-devel there is pretty much recent e2fsprogs (or whatever it is called), the other option is to boot RescueOS19:34
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freemangordonShadowJK: in cssu-devel is 1.42.5-1.1maemo1, it is stable, will be included in next cssu-t19:40
* ShadowJK restored from backup, as 1.4.1... made a mess :)19:40
freemangordonShadowJK: iirc rescueos comes with 1.42.719:40
freemangordonyeah, stock fsck is famous that it segfaults while repairing the fs :D19:41
freemangordonleaving mess all aound19:42
freemangordonaround even19:42
sixwheeledbeastWasn't fsck on stock maemo causing NFS stale issues and corruption?19:42
sixwheeledbeastfmg beat me to it19:42
ShadowJKoh god19:42
ShadowJKdid cssu enable fsck on boot?19:43
ShadowJKthat'd explain a thing or two19:43
sixwheeledbeastt8.1 IIRC19:43
* ShadowJK facepalms19:43
sixwheeledbeastsee changelog19:43
freemangordonShadowJK: only for a while, there was a follow-up update that disabled it19:43
freemangordonand that was 6 months or so ago19:43
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ShadowJKok, so "NFS Stale" came onto fs without fsck help then19:44
freemangordon(unless there is a new update I am not aware of :) )19:44
sixwheeledbeastT8.0 enabled it, T8.1 disabled it.19:46
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Ori_88hi guys, i'm a newbie, after updating my n900 keeps rebooting, i'm following instructions on reflashing it, i downloaded the image but the link for the flasher 3.5 doesn't work, anyone can help somehow?22:47
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flasher is, or
Ori_88i'm looking exactly at that same page22:49
Ori_88thanks zamn900, but the download links don't work22:51
Ori_88at least not in my pc22:51
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Ori_88does anyone have "flasher 3.5" maemo somewhere in their hard-drive? it would be my christmas present22:54
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faariOri_88: which operating system?22:54
Ori_88windows 7, 64 or 32 doesn't matter ( i have 2 laptops)22:55
zamn900i am on my n900 sry22:56
zamn900the main users I would expect use linux22:56
zamn900anyway that's not a problem22:56
faaricontains maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe, and instructions howto get flasher working on a 64bit windows22:58
zamn900so also 32 bit22:58
Ori_88faari, thanks :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))   i couldn't find it anywhere, because n900 is old and i was revising 3 year old pages22:58
Ori_88but i got it 5 days ago and i think its a really nice device aniway22:59
faariOri_88: no problem23:00
qwazixOri_88, use "skeiron" along with your future google searches about N900 software23:03
Ori_88thanks qwazix!23:06
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Ori_88wow it worked!23:54
Ori_88i fhased it and it works again, and i still have the programs, i didn't even expect that23:55
Ori_88i mean i don't have the programs i had before23:56
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Ori_88but i'm scared of that happening again, i didn't do anything really wrong, i remember downloading "ssh maemo" community updates (or something like that) before it broke, anyone had similar problems?23:57
zamn900dont dist-upgrade23:58
zamn900maybe neither upgrade with no common repository23:58
zamn900sometimes deb installer bring repository that are not allowed23:59
Ori_88what does "dont dist-upgrade" mean?23:59
zamn900just use the default application manager or faster application manager23:59

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