| zamn900 | nevermind if you dont know | 00:00 |
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| zamn900 | better dont know | 00:00 |
| Ori_88 | hahaha | 00:00 |
| Ori_88 | i added some repositories addresses getting the link from some random page before it detected i had to upgrade and it eventually died, is that what you meant zamn900? | 00:01 |
| zamn900 | nope dist-upgrade is a command to over upgrade | 00:02 |
| zamn900 | it's like updating win | 00:02 |
| zamn900 | but with shrink to new win version | 00:02 |
| zamn900 | that's dist-upgrade | 00:02 |
| zamn900 | what you did is not properly reccomended anyway | 00:03 |
| zamn900 | especially if you don't know very well what you are doing | 00:03 |
| zamn900 | normal repository are ok | 00:03 |
| zamn900 | or just ask us | 00:03 |
| zamn900 | about more | 00:04 |
| zamn900 | such as before faari suggested skeiron | 00:04 |
| zamn900 | as source | 00:04 |
| zamn900 | reliable | 00:04 |
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| Ori_88 | ok | 00:04 |
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| zamn900 | and DocScrutinizer05 is the devil god master here | 00:05 |
| zamn900 | but now he seems finally sleepy | 00:05 |
| zamn900 | but sometimes he is not | 00:06 |
| Ori_88 | why? | 00:06 |
| zamn900 | often | 00:06 |
| zamn900 | actually is always awake | 00:06 |
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| Ori_88 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315901 | 00:09 |
| Ori_88 | does that mean that i don't need to update repositories addresses in my new phone? | 00:09 |
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| zamn900 | idk | 00:13 |
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| paranoik | Hi guys. I have an old N900 with damaged mainboard(gsm, gps chips and usb port broken, vibrator damaged) and I would like to sacrifice its parts for Neo900 | 10:31 |
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| zamn900 | you... dirty... tell me.. did ya use it as sex toy? | 10:32 |
| paranoik | it was amazing | 10:32 |
| zamn900 | why vibrator damaged and acid damaged | 10:32 |
| paranoik | I bought it with these components damaged | 10:33 |
| zamn900 | oh... i am deeply sorry | 10:33 |
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| paranoik | I guess that at least the display connector could be used for Neo | 10:34 |
| zamn900 | idk... | 10:35 |
| zamn900 | go in #neo900 | 10:35 |
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| zamn900 | I just awaked now from an erotic dream | 10:35 |
| paranoik | when I saw your first reply I understood that it is the wrong channel :) | 10:35 |
| zamn900 | lol | 10:37 |
| zamn900 | ahahahahahhahahhahahhahahha | 10:37 |
| zamn900 | i am rolling at floor | 10:38 |
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| * jaska hits faari with a rotten baltic herring. | 10:39 | |
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| grr | moin :) | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >> j_o_l_l_a \n coming doon! \n your Limited Edition The Other Half will be shipped in the next few weeks. \n We'll send an email confirmation with shipping details<< | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice surprise in that parcel that arrived today | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/doon/soon/ | 14:13 |
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| zGrr | I've read on the other day, that jolla is planning to release new model with hw keyboard (N810 style) and larger 1080p display. | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 14:20 |
| infobot | ~pong | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and WTF?! tmo down? | 14:21 |
| zGrr | That would be cool. | 14:21 |
| zGrr | If they don't screw up the system software. | 14:21 |
| zGrr | Like N9 | 14:22 |
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| Wizzup | zGrr: source on this? :) | 14:28 |
| zGrr | Wizzup: I don't remember. I'll go through my bookmarks. | 14:29 |
| Wizzup | thx | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody please test | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | host -a ct.de 217.0.43.177 | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | THREE dns servers are down for me, giving me headache doing anything on internet | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8.8.8.8 works great though | 14:38 |
| Hakki_ | no answer | 14:38 |
| wnd | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's not me but germany down on DNS :-o | 14:39 |
| zGrr | Wizzup: it was that page, I saw on the other day: http://jollasuomi.fi/erittain-hieno-fani-konsepti-jollan-seuraavasta-puhelimesta/ | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Hakki_: wnd: thanks! | 14:41 |
| Wizzup | ah, that is .. totally comprehensible | 14:42 |
| * Wizzup gtranslates | 14:42 | |
| Wizzup | It does say fan-concept | 14:43 |
| Wizzup | no? | 14:43 |
| wnd | it does | 14:43 |
| zGrr | Oh | 14:43 |
| zGrr | IC. Too beautiful to be true. | 14:43 |
| zGrr | They probably can't afford another launch anyway. | 14:44 |
| wnd | also, I don't get idea of phones large enough to be chopping boards | 14:44 |
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| zGrr | All so called phones, are too large anyway. | 14:45 |
| zGrr | I actually liked the size of N810. | 14:46 |
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| wnd | it's fine as a pda | 14:46 |
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| zGrr | N900 was bit smallish, though it had better, more comfortable keyboard. | 14:47 |
| zGrr | Or IS smallish, since I still use it every day. | 14:47 |
| wnd | I wouldn't mind if my n900 was slightly smaller | 14:48 |
| wnd | but then again there are occasions when the opposite would also be true | 14:49 |
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| ampharos | i'd be ok with N800 form factor if it didn't have the hump | 14:49 |
| ampharos | i never touched N810 so dunno | 14:49 |
| zGrr | Battery life is always an issue. You just can't have small smartphone with decent battery life. | 14:50 |
| wnd | but yeah, I think I prefer n810's overall shape, or relative dimensions | 14:50 |
| zGrr | Semi-smart, could be done, but who wants a semi-smart phone these days anyway? | 14:51 |
| wnd | we have an android phone as a "support line" at work. it's samsungs's candy bar phone using 3G network, it automagically updates emails and such, and the battery lasts for over a week. | 14:51 |
| wnd | of course it doesn't have active users as is | 14:52 |
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| zGrr | Never had Samsung. Some friends told me, it has good battery life but I never had any chance touch it. | 14:53 |
| wnd | I don't really know which model it is, but it's considerably smaller than n900, and I believe it was one of the cheapest available | 14:53 |
| zGrr | I think of buying nice, small feature phone to replace my annoying N9. | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are instances where I could shoot down KDE with a MTHEL. One such instance is when kio_http hogs all 4096 nat sessions of my router, to talk to the router HTTP | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which conveniently brings down everything incl DNS lookup on public DNS servers | 15:43 |
| jaska | wtf. | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, actually my primary DNS server has an "issue", so I switched to 8.8.8.8 for now (OUCH!), but the kio_idiots were busy to try and find out about dunnowhat and kio_fubar doesn't terminate when you close the app that invoked it | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it goes on and on and on | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually it just keeps downloading youtube videos you closed a 20 min ago. This time it retried connecting to dunno what | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I'm wasted after 1h of DEFCON-1 | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already thought something rooted my PC | 15:54 |
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| jaska | o.O | 15:56 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: why are you not running your own resolver? :( | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 16:00 |
| jon_y | you can enforce DNS signing checks for extra paranoia :) | 16:00 |
| jon_y | your own resolving DNS server for networks under your control | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because this OpenSuse distro is configured that way by default? I didn't know I'm "running my own resolver" | 16:01 |
| jon_y | or better yet, on every device capable of accessing the internet | 16:01 |
| jon_y | unbound is pretty easy to setup | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what would that help? | 16:01 |
| jon_y | bind is fine too if you don't mind the learning curve | 16:01 |
| jon_y | its just that I come from a country where ISP is blatantly fucjking with the DNS for censorship | 16:02 |
| jon_y | and supposed anti-piracy efforts | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, so what's the solutions, except using a different DNS? | 16:02 |
| jon_y | do your own lookup | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 16:03 |
| jon_y | have your local DNS query from the root | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that DNS is hierarchical? | 16:03 |
| jon_y | yes | 16:03 |
| jon_y | don't trust the ISP server | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't | 16:03 |
| jon_y | not even 8.8.8.8 | 16:03 |
| jon_y | or opendns | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I picked my own DNS | 16:04 |
| jon_y | there used to be 4.4.4.2 but it died | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and obviously 8.8.8.8 is EVIL | 16:04 |
| jon_y | anyway, the top level domains are signed | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the DNS I picked went south | 16:04 |
| jon_y | so at least 1 level of defense | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think I could query tld | 16:05 |
| jon_y | what do you mean? | 16:05 |
| jon_y | dig com.? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what DNS you suggest I should query, and how using my own resolver does change anything with the issues this DNs might give me | 16:06 |
| jon_y | oh NAT died | 16:07 |
| jon_y | yeah, nothing much you can do about it | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, the DNS I configured since I know it's run by good guys died | 16:07 |
| jon_y | except maybe a more intelligent firewall to limit your kio_http | 16:08 |
| jon_y | the next best thing is to look it up from root | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then kio went mad on that 32byte reply for everything, and then kio killed my NAT | 16:08 |
| jon_y | it is how I got around government DNS blocks | 16:08 |
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| jon_y | anyway, this is best used against ISPs messing around with DNS | 16:09 |
| jon_y | or if you want to be independent on any single DNS provider | 16:09 |
| jon_y | there are at least half a dozen root dns servers, all signed of course | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's why I originally configured my very own set of DNS addr in resolv.conf | 16:10 |
| jon_y | you point your dns to root? | 16:10 |
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| jon_y | in /etc/resolv.conf? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 16:10 |
| jon_y | I don't think that would work | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I point it to IP of a DNS server of some nice little company I know | 16:10 |
| jon_y | I am saying that now they are gone, the next best course of action is to run your own recursive resolver | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who I know doesn't give sh*t about spying on their 3000 customers | 16:11 |
| jon_y | your network will query the resolver, the resolver will look up the records from root | 16:11 |
| jon_y | it is slower than google or opendns, but more secure | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what ever root is | 16:12 |
| jon_y | and easier to bring up if it goes down | 16:12 |
| jon_y | root means the DNS responsible for top "." domain | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think they are open to john doe | 16:13 |
| jon_y | they would know where the servers delegated for com, org, net etc | 16:13 |
| jon_y | they are, I am using them now | 16:13 |
| jon_y | the only hard part is setting up a recursive resolver, which is to say bind or unbound | 16:14 |
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| jon_y | once you have that up, just have your local dhcp or what not point to it | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then you say I shall run my own DNS here for my LAN? | 16:15 |
| jon_y | yes | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a hell of configuration | 16:15 |
| jon_y | it's pretty low maintenance | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhhmmm | 16:16 |
| jon_y | I have mine running for 2 years already without messing with it | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah sure, just tell me how to make the DD-WRT tell all the Nxx0 devices and other appliences to use my local DNS which I also have to run on a 24/7 on machine | 16:17 |
| jon_y | do you have a 24/7 machine? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 16:17 |
| jon_y | :( | 16:17 |
| jon_y | some DD-WRT routers are big enough to run their own resolvers | 16:17 |
| jon_y | not sure which model you have | 16:18 |
| jaska | dnsmasq needs something to forward to | 16:18 |
| jon_y | raspberry pi is awesome for this :) | 16:18 |
| jaska | smallest i can think of is pdns-recursor | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Linksys WRT54G/GL/GS | 16:18 |
| jon_y | is that the newest model? | 16:18 |
| jon_y | iirc the newer model is pretty sucky | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not, given it's at least 4 years old | 16:19 |
| jaska | no its the old good model.. atleast older g and gl | 16:19 |
| jaska | wrt54gl is what i have at home running tomato.. ive seen it with uptimes 500+ days | 16:19 |
| jon_y | the old model had double the amount of RAM | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's about what mine had too... until 1h ago :-S | 16:20 |
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| jon_y | well, if you do get another smallish device like a rpi, it should run a dns server nicely | 16:20 |
| jon_y | it can live behind NAT | 16:20 |
| jon_y | have whatever router DHCP config point to it | 16:21 |
| jon_y | I don't know what Dlink thought it was doing to screw over buyers | 16:21 |
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| jon_y | I mean Linksys | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DLink omg | 16:23 |
| jon_y | jaska: does pdns-recursor do DNSSEC? | 16:23 |
| jaska | hmm | 16:23 |
| jaska | not sure | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I nuked that dlink shit and got me this dd-wrt from a friend | 16:23 |
| jon_y | your NAT might not like it though | 16:23 |
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| jon_y | you can check with: | 16:24 |
| jaska | looks like no dnssec validation yet | 16:24 |
| jon_y | dig +dnssec AAAA in .gov. | 16:24 |
| jon_y | or A for ipv4 | 16:24 |
| jon_y | it should point you to servers in control of the gov domain | 16:25 |
| jon_y | query for "." is fine too, since TLDs are also signed | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dig: '.gov.' is not a legal name (empty label) | 16:25 |
| jon_y | huh | 16:25 |
| jon_y | fine, whitehouse.gov | 16:26 |
| jon_y | at least bind dig allows .gov. | 16:26 |
| jon_y | from ISC Bind | 16:26 |
| Hakki | dig +dnssec AAAA in gov. | 16:26 |
| Hakki | works better | 16:26 |
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| jon_y | google's 8.8.8.8 supports dnssec | 16:27 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: reducing the NAT ttl helps wonders if you have too many connections | 16:39 |
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| jon_y | it would help the NAT daemon to forget certain port associations | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I know | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see, the router had 4080some open sessions 20s after rebooting it | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~4080/20 | 16:49 |
| infobot | 204 | 16:49 |
| jaska | thats pretty wtf. | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now tell me, how long may NAT keep a session before dropping it, to keep up with that rate of new sessions created? | 16:50 |
| jaska | what sort of nat device is it? linux? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dd-wrt | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kio_foo is foobar | 16:52 |
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| warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Usual timeout for established nat entries is 5 days. | 17:04 |
| warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Have a look in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I reduced it to some 2 or 3 minutes | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on that dd-wrt | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway after killall kio-http the number of connections droped from 4090 to ~30 during maybe 3 minutes | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dropped* | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what that kio_crap is doing, since netstat didn't show anything unusual | 17:11 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer! | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ? | 18:32 |
| kerio | i have a first-level math degree :D | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that's your excuse to highlight me? | 18:32 |
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| kerio | eyup! | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I really dunno how you degree is relevant | 18:36 |
| kerio | well, i got it like 2 hours ago | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, fine :-) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | congrats | 18:38 |
| kerio | :D | 18:38 |
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| merlin1991 | congratz kerio | 20:13 |
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