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| lufu | When I buy a battery like the PolarCell online it won't arrive fully charged, will it? | 02:05 |
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| lufu | I would like to know since my n900 doesn't start atm but I can't flash it either since the battery is not fully charged. | 02:23 |
| nox- | ~flatbatrecover | 02:24 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. | 02:24 |
| nox- | ~bootloop | 02:24 |
| infobot | well, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. | 02:24 |
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| lufu | It seems I'm in a bootloop. I can't just buy a new battery and use that for flashing, since it probably won't be fully charged, right? | 02:32 |
| nox- | well probably makes more sense to buy an external charger... | 02:34 |
| nox- | (tho id have to check myself which ones are ok) | 02:34 |
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| lufu | I was hoping to avoid that since I don't think I'll need it ever again. | 02:36 |
| nox- | ~recover | 02:38 |
| infobot | A utility which automates some steps to undelete a file.. URL: http://users.linuxbox.com/~recover/ | 02:38 |
| nox- | hm | 02:38 |
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| nox- | wasnt there also some way to boot a working small rootfs via other means? | 02:38 |
| nox- | ~rootfs | 02:38 |
| infobot | rootfs: the content of the storage volume mounted under /, on NAND mtd5 partition. Also called "the system", since it's all the files forming the linux core system (except the kernel itself). Reflash rootfs from COMBINED (see ~flashing). Also see ~bootloop | 02:38 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer05, ping | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 02:39 |
| nox- | what was that rootfs booted via usb thing or so? | 02:40 |
| nox- | so he can charge... | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos | 02:40 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 02:40 |
| nox- | ah | 02:40 |
| nox- | (might want to add that to the bootloop factoid? :) | 02:41 |
| lufu | Thanks nox- and DocScrutinizer05... I'll try that. | 02:42 |
| nox- | good luck :) | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal bootloop | 02:43 |
| infobot | "#maemo bootloop" is "when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing." | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS | 02:44 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 02:44 |
| nox- | thx :) | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 02:45 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 02:45 |
| nox- | btw will neo900 be able to charge w/o working rootfs? | 02:48 |
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| lufu | nox-: Yay, it's already charging... :) | 03:18 |
| nox- | \o/ | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: we'll see | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: obviously N900 *can* do | 03:50 |
| nox- | as we've seen yeah but its still a bit tricky :) | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: isn't the question more like: can we flash it when battery empty? | 03:51 |
| nox- | or that | 03:51 |
| nox- | or can it run from usb power w/o battery? | 03:51 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: Neo900 will only have 200 produced units as it stands? | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 250 min as of right now | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: if feasible, we will make sure it can | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what never will work is modem without battery | 04:07 |
| nox- | ok | 04:07 |
| nox- | bbl | 04:08 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: ping | 10:10 |
| freemangordon | ooh, Pali's here :) | 10:11 |
| freemangordon | Pali: how's your pythinfu? | 10:11 |
| freemangordon | *python | 10:11 |
| Pali | hi :-) | 10:11 |
| Pali | I'm not doing in python | 10:11 |
| Pali | bash, perl, C, C++, haskell, prolog :-) | 10:12 |
| freemangordon | I just wrote my first couple of lines in python :D | 10:12 |
| freemangordon | but need someone to review it | 10:12 |
| freemangordon | I *think* I fixed that bug in the autobuilder, when it gets stuck if you resend one and the same package version 2 or more times | 10:13 |
| freemangordon | anyone python here? | 10:15 |
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| ruskie | I'm actually starting to lean on getting a neo900 upgrade | 10:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [NOTICE] council elections voting booth opening. DONT FORGET TO VOTE! | 16:42 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's not open yet dammit | 17:01 |
| kerio | >:c | 17:01 |
| freemangordon | kerio: hi | 17:01 |
| kerio | 'lo | 17:01 |
| freemangordon | kerio: could you have a look at some python code? | 17:01 |
| kerio | sure | 17:01 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: http://pastebin.com/hK5e3BKf | 17:02 |
| freemangordon | the part that starts with "+" | 17:02 |
| kerio | what's the problem? | 17:03 |
| freemangordon | that's my first python code :D | 17:03 |
| freemangordon | I have NFC what I did | 17:03 |
| freemangordon | kerio: do you see any problem in that code | 17:03 |
| kerio | apart for the screwed up indentation caused by irc, no | 17:04 |
| freemangordon | ok | 17:04 |
| kerio | although | 17:04 |
| kerio | i would remove the second os.path.exists | 17:04 |
| freemangordon | why? | 17:04 |
| freemangordon | wouldn't os.remove throw if the file is missing? | 17:05 |
| kerio | ...sure | 17:05 |
| kerio | oh nvm you're not silencing exceptions | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | I don't want | 17:05 |
| kerio | yeah but | 17:05 |
| kerio | there's time between stat() and unlink() | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | kerio: this is a fix for a long-statnding bug in the autouilder | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | *standing | 17:06 |
| kerio | which python is this? | 17:06 |
| freemangordon | kerio: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/139606.html | 17:07 |
| kerio | that exception syntax is required in 2.5, deprecated in 2.6 and broken in 2.7 | 17:07 |
| freemangordon | I guess 2.7 | 17:07 |
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| kerio | then there's a big problem :) | 17:07 |
| freemangordon | why? | 17:07 |
| freemangordon | it works, besides that problem | 17:08 |
| kerio | mmh | 17:08 |
| kerio | ok nevermind, the old syntax is still in 2.7 | 17:09 |
| freemangordon | ok, so the code is fine? | 17:09 |
| kerio | that should be "except (OSError, IOError) as exobj:" | 17:09 |
| kerio | but yeah | 17:09 |
| kerio | looks fine | 17:09 |
| freemangordon | ok, thanks | 17:09 |
| kerio | but you're only keeping the latest version of the file | 17:10 |
| kerio | that's intended, i assume | 17:10 |
| freemangordon | kerio: that's the idea | 17:10 |
| freemangordon | yep | 17:10 |
| kerio | why not os.rename? | 17:10 |
| kerio | so you don't have any issues | 17:11 |
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| freemangordon | afaik it will still throw an exception if the destination is there | 17:11 |
| kerio | nope | 17:11 |
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| kerio | os.rename is basically just a wrapper around rename(2) | 17:12 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: hmm, well, the original code uses shutil.move | 17:13 |
| kerio | mh | 17:14 |
| freemangordon | and I know nothing about python, so I'd rather keep it as it is, just fizing the bug | 17:14 |
| kerio | yeah, fair enough | 17:14 |
| freemangordon | *fixing | 17:14 |
| kerio | although shutil.move won't throw an exception when moving a file on another file | 17:14 |
| kerio | same as os.rename | 17:14 |
| kerio | you use shutil.move when you're not sure you're on the same filesystem | 17:14 |
| kerio | i guess | 17:14 |
| freemangordon | kerio: see the link I posted ^^^ | 17:14 |
| freemangordon | it throws | 17:14 |
| freemangordon | "Error: Destination path '/mnt/incoming-builder/fremantle/rejected/gconf-cleaner_0.0.3-1.dsc' already exists" | 17:15 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: fwiw it could be some other OSError or IOError | 17:15 |
| kerio | but meh | 17:15 |
| kerio | does it work now? | 17:15 |
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| freemangordon | I guess so: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/thread.html | 17:16 |
| freemangordon | there is no exception in the last "gconf-cleaner" message | 17:16 |
| freemangordon | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-December/154504.html | 17:16 |
| ShadowJK | Anyone ever profiled N900 cpu in terms of work/watt at different clock frequencies? | 17:18 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: iirc vi did it | 17:19 |
| ShadowJK | Did some quick testing 250 - 950MHz, and 550 seemed most power efficient frequency | 17:19 |
| freemangordon | it turned out that the "sweet spot" is 500 | 17:19 |
| freemangordon | maybe it depends on the workload | 17:20 |
| freemangordon | vi concluded that 500 is the best | 17:20 |
| ShadowJK | yeah, tbh 500-600 was all within my massively wide margin of error | 17:20 |
| ccxN | ~mirrors | 17:20 |
| infobot | hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new | 17:20 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: I guess his graphic is still somewhere on TMO in some SR related thread | 17:21 |
| ccxN | ~rmo-new | 17:21 |
| freemangordon | ccxN: why do you need mirrors? | 17:21 |
| freemangordon | repos are working just fine | 17:21 |
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| ccxN | had some issues where packages could not be found | 17:23 |
| freemangordon | weird | 17:25 |
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| lufu | Is there any recommended way to install emacs on a n900? | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | there is emacs24 in extras-devel | 18:15 |
| lufu | Great, I'll take a look at it. | 18:16 |
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| ampharos | have fun with carpal tunnel trying to use emacs with tiny keyboard | 18:26 |
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| lufu | Thank you, ampharos. | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: "opening" == "will be open soon" >:-( | 19:47 |
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| kerio | >:-( | 19:52 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: heya | 19:53 |
| javispedro | long time no see =) | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | hmm, seems like marxian is trying to bring the autobuilder down :D https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: HEY!!! | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed! | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | but it holds on so far :) | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: missed your insightful contributions :ยด( | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | javispedro: hi! | 19:58 |
| javispedro | freemangordon: hello | 19:58 |
| javispedro | (and everyone else :) ) | 19:58 |
| javispedro | was just trying to avoid my nickname from expiring | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: how about joining FPTF? not a tempting thing for you? :-) | 19:59 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: would not be able to do much, albeit I already donated | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 20:00 |
| javispedro | and wish you all the best of lucks | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! we need it | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even more we need kernel and OS hackers porting fremantle to "freemantle" | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FINALLY! long overdue | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | yeah, 1-2 more kernel devs will make all the difference | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see even more need for OS/middleware hackers | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel hackers for OMAP3 platforms are a few already, though not all joined #maemo-ssu yet | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested /join #linux-omap a few days ago over in #maemo-ssu already | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (I did the inverse at #linux-omap, some weeks ago) | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: who TF is raping autobuilder?? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qdl-plugins-winporn_0.1.0 ??????? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please check which upload permission to permanently revoke! | 20:08 |
| javispedro | possibly that "find sex" program that was a few minutes ago in TMO =) | 20:08 |
| javispedro | not much time to hack from me, though I follow the news | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: having you around feels reassuring even when you don't contribute at all | 20:12 |
| javispedro | was recently working on some bluetooth low energy stuff, but that is not applicable to n900 or neo900 (afaiu) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google anelok, werner almesberger might be highly interested | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #qi-hardware | 20:13 |
| javispedro | oh, nice | 20:13 |
| javispedro | another guy who was doing a "find my car"-style project kickstarter lectured me mostly | 20:14 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: 19:56 <freemangordon> hmm, seems like marxian is trying to bring the autobuilder down :D | 20:18 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: btw this was a nice stress-test | 20:25 |
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| freemangordon | for the whole infra | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shall we discontinue the marxian account? | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | no, why is that? | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is this "stress test" legit basically | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1291936 | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | yep, it is fine | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok then :-) | 20:51 |
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| warfare | I'll start with security upgrades now. | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | ooh, security | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | :) | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: election opens in 3h | 21:12 |
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| warfare | I'll be quick about it then. | 21:16 |
| merlin1991 | warfare: you're doing this wrong | 21:18 |
| merlin1991 | if anything security updates have to be done full BOFH style | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | :D | 21:18 |
| merlin1991 | which ofc includes a proper find /home/* -type f -exec rm {} \; to clean up any "infected" files | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: please check the patches I posted on #maemo-admin, while having fun :P | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ** PROBLEM Service Alert: repository.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL ** | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didum didumm | 21:27 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, WFM | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ** RECOVERY Service Alert: repository.maemo.org/HTTP is OK ** :-D | 21:31 |
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| javispedro | btw, youtube is killing whatever special support they had for the n8x0 browser | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | javispedro: seems like, there is a thread about that on TMO, some guy asking for upgraded gecko | 21:37 |
| javispedro | yeah, saw it | 21:38 |
| javispedro | it's more about upgraded flash than upgraded gecko (I think) | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately upgrading gecko is not a trivial task IMO | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | hmm, could be | 21:38 |
| javispedro | youtube is known to do heavy user agent sniffing and serving special versions of swf player depending on it | 21:39 |
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| freemangordon | if it is about flash, I guess it is a no-go then. though maybe the same trick that works on n900 (hexediting the version in the binary) will work on n8x0 | 21:39 |
| javispedro | so I presume this is their "deprecation policy" in action | 21:40 |
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| freemangordon | I guess n8x0 is too weak for html5 video, ain;t? | 21:40 |
| javispedro | well, flash does it.. | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | is it HW accelerated? | 21:41 |
| javispedro | Not sure, but probably not | 21:41 |
| javispedro | DSP on N8x0 was used to accelerate audio mixing and other things | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | hmm. well, then maybe embedlite API based player would work | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | is gstreamer DSP accelerated? | 21:43 |
| javispedro | there is a working webkit port too, but I'm not sure what is required for HTML5 to work on it. | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | upstream gecko supports HTML5 video through gstreamer | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | and it actually works, even on n900 | 21:43 |
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| freemangordon | no idea about n8x0, never had one | 21:44 |
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| javispedro | no, I don't think it was accelerated, as said, DSP was used for other stuff | 21:47 |
| javispedro | the N8x0s don't have enough framebuffer bandwidth for more than quarter-screen video | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ** PROBLEM Service Alert: www.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL ** ;-) | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | TMO has some database error... just reporting, in case it's not known | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | ah, same time | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [NOTICE] maemo.org maintenance may cause temporary service outages for the next 2h or so | 22:05 |
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| kerio | worksforme, tho | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're done | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since quite some time | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to smooth operator warfare :-) | 23:55 |
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