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FIQcan you expand the sym table with another row.. or several?01:56
FIQand why is both ~ and ñ there... eh01:57
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tjsolohi everyone03:28
tjsolothanks for all ur help yesterday am so greatfull03:28
tjsoloi need ur help now so bad03:29
tjsoloi was tol to get the url from pastebin and i did that can someone please help me solve the problem03:30
tjsolothis is the pastebin url03:30
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DocScrutinizer05tjsolo: that pastebin doesn't sugest anything fishy with your system03:43
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DocScrutinizer05culprit is elsewhere03:43
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tjsolook so how do i install yappari then03:45
tjsolocause my main issue is how to install yappari03:45
tjsoloits complaining about  conflict in the packages03:45
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DocScrutinizer05ask yappari maintainer04:02
DocScrutinizer05or somebody who knows about yappari. sorry I have never used it04:02
DocScrutinizer05when your system is up to date and no other problems, then yappari is broken. No use in messing with system to make a broken yappari package install04:03
DocScrutinizer05wait for european daytime, somebody may step up to help you out then04:04
DocScrutinizer05(hint: now+6h)04:04
DocScrutinizer05maybe +12h04:05
tjsolothankx u so helpfull04:06
DocScrutinizer05to diagnose what's wrong we irrespectively need the detailed and comprehensive error messages from failed yappari install04:06
DocScrutinizer05probably some dependency in yappari is slightly off from what it should be, easy to fix once it got diagnosed04:07
tjsolook i have it04:08
tjsololibtq-opengl libtq-dbus libtq-xmlpatterns -web kit -gui-sql-svg-xml-multimedia-phonon   all starting with libqt404:09
DocScrutinizer05this is not even an error message04:09
chainsawbikeDocScrutinizer05, he cannot update cssu due to "use pc suite" message, i suspect yappari depends on a newer version of one/some of the qt4 libs04:09
tjsoloyeah u right04:10
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-06 03:03:44] <DocScrutinizer05> when your system is **up to date** and no other problems, **then** yappari is broken04:10
tjsoloreally ok04:10
tjsololol thankx so much04:11
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SAiFYappari works for me fine04:17
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SAiFbut I dont use it regularly.04:18
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DocScrutinizer05next time s/he shows up, please refuse to help unless a guaranteed 2h time available at his side04:25
DocScrutinizer05though, at this response rate, make that 6h04:26
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DocScrutinizer05also hte less correct and comprehensive the info given about the system and the problem, the more catch-all the recommendations should be04:28
DocScrutinizer05so in this case I'd suggest unconditional full reflash04:28
DocScrutinizer05otherwise diagnosing what's the real problem might become an epic drama04:29
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gregoaa simple pastebin'd `apt-get -s install yappari' might be more helpful. and no, I'm not volunteering for this kind of user support :)04:49
DocScrutinizer05yep, actually that's what I asked for04:49
gregoa"I'd suggest unconditional full reflash" sounds a bit more drastic :)04:50
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-06 03:06:35] <DocScrutinizer05> to diagnose what's wrong we irrespectively need the detailed and comprehensive error messages from failed yappari install04:50
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-06 03:09:19] <tjsolo> libtq-opengl libtq-dbus libtq-xmlpatterns -web kit -gui-sql-svg-xml-multimedia-phonon   all starting with libqt404:50
gregoaack, this no-detail descriptions don't help04:50
DocScrutinizer05pastebin OTOH takes like 1 day (at least last one took that long)04:50
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gregoa*shrug* works, and copying console output from some terminal over ssh is not rocket science04:51
DocScrutinizer05ssh? you're dreaming04:52
chainsawbikewe gave him step by step instruction on how to pastebin04:52
DocScrutinizer05took ~30min, then "I'll be back later"04:53
chainsawbikeand i really mean _step_ by _step_04:53
gregoahm, well, that's just the very basic default operation mode. - but yes, I know why I'm not into user supprt04:53
DocScrutinizer05then 24h later:04:53
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-06 02:28:44] <tjsolo> thanks for all ur help yesterday am so greatfull04:53
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-06 02:30:36] <tjsolo> this is the pastebin url04:53
DocScrutinizer05[2013-12-06 02:30:56] <tjsolo>
DocScrutinizer05on this pace diagnosing the problem will take ~6..8 months04:54
gregoaheh :)04:56
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DocScrutinizer05err nope, at this procedure it will take forever, sine every new day somebody else trying to help will start from square 0 again05:09
infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is
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horliI have an old n900 with broken microphone. Will the neo900 replacement for the case replace the micro, or will the n900 micro be reused?09:03
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DocScrutinizer05horli: mic will be part of replacement board09:58
DocScrutinizer05maybe 2 mics even ;-)  --  for stereo recording09:59
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horli@DocSctutinier: Thanks great news, especially fpr a musiscion like me :-) (stereo)10:04
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DocScrutinizer05hey! yw :-)10:17
DocScrutinizer05and I'm looking with a smile at 219 (+1)10:17
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DocScrutinizer05horli: would be silly to have this great hardware in pocket and not be able to use it for "simple" tasks like doing decent stereo recording, eh?10:19
horli@DocSctutinier: money is on the way ... :-)10:23
DocScrutinizer05many thanks for contributing :-)10:25
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DocScrutinizer05horli: out of interest and to do right decisions designing the hardware: would you rather use the internal (tiny maybe sub-par) standard microphones, or an external stereo microphone with integrated pre-amp, or a cable-whip and two professional mics?10:28
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DocScrutinizer05and what sample rate and format would you prefer to use?10:30
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horliwell i use my n900 at the moment for recording practising sessions. so i'd youse the internal mic, because quality is not that important, although stereo is nice10:32
horlifor live performances i use a the moment my laptop10:32
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DocScrutinizer05thanks! :-)10:33
horlibut who knows mayne using a phone for live performances gets feasable.....10:34
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DocScrutinizer05sure, should be feasible, but you should use airplane mode (all RF off) for that then10:35
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DocScrutinizer05ideally you use the 3.5mm for a line-in like on a tapedeck or cassette recorder10:36
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horliwell a digital mixer will always be part of the live equipment10:37
DocScrutinizer05I can't guarantee mic input via line in will be supported at all and at decent quality10:37
DocScrutinizer05great, then no problem10:37
horlii do not see how one can replace this with a phone (yet :-) )10:37
DocScrutinizer05would you be interested in optical digital interface?10:38
DocScrutinizer05good :-)10:38
DocScrutinizer05(would be pretty hard to integrate)10:38
DocScrutinizer05well, you know you always can use USB host10:39
DocScrutinizer05to hook up any audiocard extender bo you like10:39
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horliyes but audacity did not run smoothly on the n90010:39
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horlibut maybe on the neo900?10:39
DocScrutinizer05(or maybe directly connect to digital mixer, if that mixer supports this)10:39
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horliyes the mixer does this10:40
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DocScrutinizer05the USB2.0 support on Neo900 should be magnitudes better than on N900 with H-E-N botch10:40
horliok, fine :-)10:41
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DocScrutinizer05bandwidth of N900 USB hostmode is limited10:41
DocScrutinizer05again, thanks for your support. Have to run, cya10:42
horlithank your for your work, great!10:42
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darkschneideri admit that ordering a neo900 is tempting me a lot. Will it be available even after the first group is shipped?10:44
DocScrutinizer05that's pretty unclear yet, darkschneider10:45
darkschneider(my n900 already had that antenna problem that i had to fix with springs... so it will die sooner or later)10:45
DocScrutinizer05depends on success and sequel orders10:45
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DocScrutinizer05for sure will take several months after first batch till we do a second one10:46
darkschneider:( that a bad news :( the work the preoject and the rest is simply great i have deep esteem for the guys10:46
DocScrutinizer05ouch, yes. The modem/sim/antenna issue is the most nasty one10:46
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darkschneideryeah :( when i glued the things i could not even imagine it will work again...10:47
darkschneidermmm several months... mmm10:48
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DocScrutinizer05and we have another problem: some essential components are getting increasingly hard to source10:48
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DocScrutinizer05the design is >4 years old, and we need to use several of those old parts10:49
darkschneiderthe next question is, at this time of the project, if i put in the 100 will that give me the mb for sure given that the minimum number of 200 have been surpassed10:49
DocScrutinizer05due to N900 compatibility and case10:49
darkschneidermm, impressive, chip phase out is so fast?10:49
darkschneider(i'm in aeronautical sector... here rarely anything phase out :D )10:49
DocScrutinizer05darkschneider: yes, assuming we don't fail fatally this 100EUR donation will ensure we build a device "with your name on it"10:50
DocScrutinizer05yeah, EOL/livespan is a b*tch for consumer electronics like N900/OMAP310:51
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darkschneidermmm you kind of convinced me... and the fact that the mb is german made make me hope for a better quality10:51
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DocScrutinizer05while the most problematic part right now is a silly 64pin Molex connector that usually cost ~30ct per unit, but is obsolete10:52
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DocScrutinizer05we might need to have a custom build for this connector, since it's the one where you (the user - in case of board swap) connect the display flex cable to10:53
darkschneidercould not imagine such a thing! a silly connector, i guess that somewhere in a chinese factory there is a forgotten box full of it10:54
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l4m3rxbtw DocScrutinizer05, maybe it will be useful to add the project current problems on the page (as a short list... 1.Display connector, 2.Cam connector, 3...), thuo most project relayted ppl are active in TMO, maybe some1 outside the project may come up with solution .10:55
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, we're asking all chinese fabs, searching for it. a tedious job10:55
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DocScrutinizer05l4m3rx: great idea, yes10:55
DocScrutinizer05I'll manage to do this this weekend10:56
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darkschneideri have one last silly question, what they use as connector now? I mean it's obsolete cause new screens are much higher resolution and so use a wider connector or they now connect in a different way.10:57
DocScrutinizer05the 64pin Molex:
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darkschneiderarf, yes, really tedious, i respect and thank you for your work. i have sourced from chinese fabs and i know it's a crazy job... they may tell they have it and send a completely different thing..10:59
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: Good morning.11:06
vi__DocScrutinizer05: You listed 3 reasons why daisy chaining switching regulators was a poor idea.  I can recall 1.  The inefficiencies add up.11:07
vi__Can you in few words say what the others were again.  So I may write it down?11:07
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vi__Or even point me to the channel logs?11:10
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DocScrutinizer05switched has higher BOM which often isn't justified, so you use LDO instead, and those work better when voltage drop is low11:19
DocScrutinizer05and power sequencing is a very relevant point11:19
DocScrutinizer05afk, bbl11:20
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: thank you.11:34
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DocScrutinizer05darkschneider: what do you do when they send you a 1000 of the wrong item?11:43
darkschneiderscream a lot11:43
DocScrutinizer05send back and ask for money back?11:43
DocScrutinizer05jump from your roof?11:43
DocScrutinizer05yeah, thought as much11:44
darkschneiderit's more likely they give back the money without taking the stuff (it happens)11:44
darkschneiderbut sadly really :( screaming is part of it :( (and i hate to... but looks like it's a cultural stuff)11:45
DocScrutinizer05but probably usually you simply have to find new money to waste it on next company to send you another crap11:45
DocScrutinizer05oooh, screaming AT THEM11:45
darkschneideryes, that i mean11:45
DocScrutinizer05that gives me hope11:45
darkschneiderreally, go on and on11:45
darkschneiderif you make few opposition they thing "in the end he is happy"11:46
DocScrutinizer05prolly related to the chinese thing with "no" not existing11:46
darkschneiderprobably :D11:47
DocScrutinizer05so when you tell them "I'm disappointed" they don't even understand what you say, since they never before heard11:47
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darkschneiderbut i on that i love more japanese attitude. They do anything so the thing is so perfect that you can't say no... does not happen with chinese products :D11:47
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DocScrutinizer05I heard on Japanese when you ask for a reasonable thing they can't deny it11:48
darkschneider"disappointed" is not there, too soft. Disappointed = happy i think they think "in the end he got the product and we got the money, so it's good"11:48
darkschneiderno they can't :D11:48
DocScrutinizer05maybe we can ask some japanese supplier for the molex stuff11:49
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm 60min late11:49
darkschneiderif you have them custom made, do that11:50
darkschneiderlaterr :)11:50
DocScrutinizer05l8rs, o/11:50
darkschneiderthanks for your work11:50
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DocScrutinizer05darkschneider: thanks!12:05
darkschneidereheh, welcome :P if it worked, i'll record that it worked one time more :P12:06
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SiceloActivesync on fremantle.. does it have a 'ver' negative effect on battery? (like skype perhaps)12:15
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vi__Sicelo: Not really.13:08
vi__But be careful...removing *may* brake the n900 ability to connect to ovi suite.13:08
Siceloi don't use windows :P13:09
vi__Weel then!13:09
Siceloso i guess i'm safe..13:09
Sicelousing MfE with, just for testing.. works ok13:09
vi__It has a funny package name.13:09
vi__MfE won't work without activesync surely.13:10
Sicelowhich package name referring to?13:10
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vi__I cannot remember.  I recall it has a '0' in the title. :/13:12
vi__It is not named activsync.13:12
Siceloah, yes, lol.. i remember it too.. lemme find it13:13
vi__That is the one!13:14
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grrmoin ;)15:52
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ccxNso, what's today recommended sources.list content for reasonably recent packages?22:48
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ccxNpy2.6+ would be nice22:50
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kerioccxN: extras-devel, community-testing23:26
keriothe usual23:26
kerionote: it's not actually recommended23:26
ccxNkerio: which mirrors? last time I've set it up the official were down23:33
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keriolast time23:38
kerionot this time23:38
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