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| FIQ | hm | 01:56 |
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| FIQ | can you expand the sym table with another row.. or several? | 01:56 |
| FIQ | and why is both ~ and ñ there... eh | 01:57 |
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| tjsolo | hi everyone | 03:28 |
| tjsolo | thanks for all ur help yesterday am so greatfull | 03:28 |
| tjsolo | i need ur help now so bad | 03:29 |
| tjsolo | i was tol to get the url from pastebin and i did that can someone please help me solve the problem | 03:30 |
| tjsolo | this is the pastebin url | 03:30 |
| tjsolo | http://pastebin.com/sdz5rmem | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tjsolo: that pastebin doesn't sugest anything fishy with your system | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | culprit is elsewhere | 03:43 |
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| tjsolo | ok so how do i install yappari then | 03:45 |
| tjsolo | cause my main issue is how to install yappari | 03:45 |
| tjsolo | its complaining about conflict in the packages | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ask yappari maintainer | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or somebody who knows about yappari. sorry I have never used it | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when your system is up to date and no other problems, then yappari is broken. No use in messing with system to make a broken yappari package install | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait for european daytime, somebody may step up to help you out then | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (hint: now+6h) | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe +12h | 04:05 |
| tjsolo | thankx u so helpfull | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to diagnose what's wrong we irrespectively need the detailed and comprehensive error messages from failed yappari install | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably some dependency in yappari is slightly off from what it should be, easy to fix once it got diagnosed | 04:07 |
| tjsolo | ok i have it | 04:08 |
| tjsolo | libtq-opengl libtq-dbus libtq-xmlpatterns -web kit -gui-sql-svg-xml-multimedia-phonon all starting with libqt4 | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is not even an error message | 04:09 |
| chainsawbike | DocScrutinizer05, he cannot update cssu due to "use pc suite" message, i suspect yappari depends on a newer version of one/some of the qt4 libs | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 04:10 |
| tjsolo | yeah u right | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 03:03:44] <DocScrutinizer05> when your system is **up to date** and no other problems, **then** yappari is broken | 04:10 |
| tjsolo | really ok | 04:10 |
| tjsolo | lol thankx so much | 04:11 |
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| SAiF | Yappari works for me fine | 04:17 |
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| SAiF | but I dont use it regularly. | 04:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | next time s/he shows up, please refuse to help unless a guaranteed 2h time available at his side | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, at this response rate, make that 6h | 04:26 |
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| SAiF | :) | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also hte less correct and comprehensive the info given about the system and the problem, the more catch-all the recommendations should be | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so in this case I'd suggest unconditional full reflash | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise diagnosing what's the real problem might become an epic drama | 04:29 |
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| gregoa | a simple pastebin'd `apt-get -s install yappari' might be more helpful. and no, I'm not volunteering for this kind of user support :) | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, actually that's what I asked for | 04:49 |
| gregoa | "I'd suggest unconditional full reflash" sounds a bit more drastic :) | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 03:06:35] <DocScrutinizer05> to diagnose what's wrong we irrespectively need the detailed and comprehensive error messages from failed yappari install | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 03:09:19] <tjsolo> libtq-opengl libtq-dbus libtq-xmlpatterns -web kit -gui-sql-svg-xml-multimedia-phonon all starting with libqt4 | 04:50 |
| gregoa | ack, this no-detail descriptions don't help | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pastebin OTOH takes like 1 day (at least last one took that long) | 04:50 |
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| gregoa | *shrug* paste.debian.org works, and copying console output from some terminal over ssh is not rocket science | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ssh? you're dreaming | 04:52 |
| chainsawbike | we gave him step by step instruction on how to pastebin | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | took ~30min, then "I'll be back later" | 04:53 |
| chainsawbike | and i really mean _step_ by _step_ | 04:53 |
| gregoa | hm, well, that's just the very basic default operation mode. - but yes, I know why I'm not into user supprt | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then 24h later: | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 02:28:44] <tjsolo> thanks for all ur help yesterday am so greatfull | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 02:30:36] <tjsolo> this is the pastebin url | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-12-06 02:30:56] <tjsolo> http://pastebin.com/sdz5rmem | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on this pace diagnosing the problem will take ~6..8 months | 04:54 |
| gregoa | heh :) | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, at this procedure it will take forever, sine every new day somebody else trying to help will start from square 0 again | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since* | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus: | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 05:10 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 05:10 |
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| horli | I have an old n900 with broken microphone. Will the neo900 replacement for the case replace the micro, or will the n900 micro be reused? | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | horli: mic will be part of replacement board | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 2 mics even ;-) -- for stereo recording | 09:59 |
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| horli | @DocSctutinier: Thanks great news, especially fpr a musiscion like me :-) (stereo) | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey! yw :-) | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm looking with a smile at 219 (+1) | 10:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | horli: would be silly to have this great hardware in pocket and not be able to use it for "simple" tasks like doing decent stereo recording, eh? | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 10:19 |
| horli | @DocSctutinier: money is on the way ... :-) | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many thanks for contributing :-) | 10:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | horli: out of interest and to do right decisions designing the hardware: would you rather use the internal (tiny maybe sub-par) standard microphones, or an external stereo microphone with integrated pre-amp, or a cable-whip and two professional mics? | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and what sample rate and format would you prefer to use? | 10:30 |
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| horli | well i use my n900 at the moment for recording practising sessions. so i'd youse the internal mic, because quality is not that important, although stereo is nice | 10:32 |
| horli | for live performances i use a the moment my laptop | 10:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! :-) | 10:33 |
| horli | but who knows mayne using a phone for live performances gets feasable..... | 10:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, should be feasible, but you should use airplane mode (all RF off) for that then | 10:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ideally you use the 3.5mm for a line-in like on a tapedeck or cassette recorder | 10:36 |
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| horli | well a digital mixer will always be part of the live equipment | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't guarantee mic input via line in will be supported at all and at decent quality | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great, then no problem | 10:37 |
| horli | i do not see how one can replace this with a phone (yet :-) ) | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would you be interested in optical digital interface? | 10:38 |
| horli | no | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good :-) | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (would be pretty hard to integrate) | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you know you always can use USB host | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to hook up any audiocard extender bo you like | 10:39 |
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| horli | yes but audacity did not run smoothly on the n900 | 10:39 |
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| horli | but maybe on the neo900? | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (or maybe directly connect to digital mixer, if that mixer supports this) | 10:39 |
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| horli | yes the mixer does this | 10:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the USB2.0 support on Neo900 should be magnitudes better than on N900 with H-E-N botch | 10:40 |
| horli | ok, fine :-) | 10:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bandwidth of N900 USB hostmode is limited | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, thanks for your support. Have to run, cya | 10:42 |
| horli | thank your for your work, great! | 10:42 |
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| darkschneider | i admit that ordering a neo900 is tempting me a lot. Will it be available even after the first group is shipped? | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty unclear yet, darkschneider | 10:45 |
| darkschneider | (my n900 already had that antenna problem that i had to fix with springs... so it will die sooner or later) | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on success and sequel orders | 10:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure will take several months after first batch till we do a second one | 10:46 |
| darkschneider | :( that a bad news :( the work the preoject and the rest is simply great i have deep esteem for the guys | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch, yes. The modem/sim/antenna issue is the most nasty one | 10:46 |
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| darkschneider | yeah :( when i glued the things i could not even imagine it will work again... | 10:47 |
| darkschneider | mmm several months... mmm | 10:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and we have another problem: some essential components are getting increasingly hard to source | 10:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the design is >4 years old, and we need to use several of those old parts | 10:49 |
| darkschneider | the next question is, at this time of the project, if i put in the 100 will that give me the mb for sure given that the minimum number of 200 have been surpassed | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | due to N900 compatibility and case | 10:49 |
| darkschneider | mm, impressive, chip phase out is so fast? | 10:49 |
| darkschneider | (i'm in aeronautical sector... here rarely anything phase out :D ) | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | darkschneider: yes, assuming we don't fail fatally this 100EUR donation will ensure we build a device "with your name on it" | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, EOL/livespan is a b*tch for consumer electronics like N900/OMAP3 | 10:51 |
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| darkschneider | mmm you kind of convinced me... and the fact that the mb is german made make me hope for a better quality | 10:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while the most problematic part right now is a silly 64pin Molex connector that usually cost ~30ct per unit, but is obsolete | 10:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we might need to have a custom build for this connector, since it's the one where you (the user - in case of board swap) connect the display flex cable to | 10:53 |
| darkschneider | could not imagine such a thing! a silly connector, i guess that somewhere in a chinese factory there is a forgotten box full of it | 10:54 |
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| l4m3rx | btw DocScrutinizer05, maybe it will be useful to add the project current problems on the page (as a short list... 1.Display connector, 2.Cam connector, 3...), thuo most project relayted ppl are active in TMO, maybe some1 outside the project may come up with solution . | 10:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, we're asking all chinese fabs, searching for it. a tedious job | 10:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | l4m3rx: great idea, yes | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll manage to do this this weekend | 10:56 |
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| darkschneider | i have one last silly question, what they use as connector now? I mean it's obsolete cause new screens are much higher resolution and so use a wider connector or they now connect in a different way. | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 64pin Molex: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/5000246471/5000246471-ND/2818746 | 10:57 |
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| darkschneider | arf, yes, really tedious, i respect and thank you for your work. i have sourced from chinese fabs and i know it's a crazy job... they may tell they have it and send a completely different thing.. | 10:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 11:02 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Good morning. | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | morning | 11:06 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: You listed 3 reasons why daisy chaining switching regulators was a poor idea. I can recall 1. The inefficiencies add up. | 11:07 |
| vi__ | Can you in few words say what the others were again. So I may write it down? | 11:07 |
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| vi__ | Or even point me to the channel logs? | 11:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | switched has higher BOM which often isn't justified, so you use LDO instead, and those work better when voltage drop is low | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and power sequencing is a very relevant point | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk, bbl | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 11:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /topic | 11:21 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: thank you. | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | darkschneider: what do you do when they send you a 1000 of the wrong item? | 11:43 |
| darkschneider | scream a lot | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | send back and ask for money back? | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jump from your roof? | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thought as much | 11:44 |
| darkschneider | it's more likely they give back the money without taking the stuff (it happens) | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 11:44 |
| darkschneider | but sadly really :( screaming is part of it :( (and i hate to... but looks like it's a cultural stuff) | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but probably usually you simply have to find new money to waste it on next company to send you another crap | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, screaming AT THEM | 11:45 |
| darkschneider | yes, that i mean | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that gives me hope | 11:45 |
| darkschneider | really, go on and on | 11:45 |
| darkschneider | if you make few opposition they thing "in the end he is happy" | 11:46 |
| darkschneider | thing/think | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly related to the chinese thing with "no" not existing | 11:46 |
| darkschneider | probably :D | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so when you tell them "I'm disappointed" they don't even understand what you say, since they never before heard | 11:47 |
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| darkschneider | but i on that i love more japanese attitude. They do anything so the thing is so perfect that you can't say no... does not happen with chinese products :D | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard on Japanese when you ask for a reasonable thing they can't deny it | 11:48 |
| darkschneider | "disappointed" is not there, too soft. Disappointed = happy i think they think "in the end he got the product and we got the money, so it's good" | 11:48 |
| darkschneider | no they can't :D | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we can ask some japanese supplier for the molex stuff | 11:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm 60min late | 11:49 |
| darkschneider | if you have them custom made, do that | 11:50 |
| darkschneider | laterr :) | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | l8rs, o/ | 11:50 |
| darkschneider | thanks for your work | 11:50 |
| darkschneider | :) | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 11:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | darkschneider: thanks! | 12:05 |
| darkschneider | eheh, welcome :P if it worked, i'll record that it worked one time more :P | 12:06 |
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| Sicelo | Activesync on fremantle.. does it have a 'ver' negative effect on battery? (like skype perhaps) | 12:15 |
| Sicelo | *very | 12:17 |
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| vi__ | Sicelo: Not really. | 13:08 |
| vi__ | But be careful...removing *may* brake the n900 ability to connect to ovi suite. | 13:08 |
| Sicelo | i don't use windows :P | 13:09 |
| vi__ | Weel then! | 13:09 |
| vi__ | ^well | 13:09 |
| Sicelo | so i guess i'm safe.. | 13:09 |
| Sicelo | using MfE with Outlook.com, just for testing.. works ok | 13:09 |
| vi__ | It has a funny package name. | 13:09 |
| vi__ | MfE won't work without activesync surely. | 13:10 |
| Sicelo | which package name referring to? | 13:10 |
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| vi__ | I cannot remember. I recall it has a '0' in the title. :/ | 13:12 |
| vi__ | It is not named activsync. | 13:12 |
| Sicelo | ah, yes, lol.. i remember it too.. lemme find it | 13:13 |
| Sicelo | as-daemon-0 | 13:13 |
| vi__ | That is the one! | 13:14 |
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| grr | moin ;) | 15:52 |
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| ccxN | so, what's today recommended sources.list content for reasonably recent packages? | 22:48 |
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| ccxN | py2.6+ would be nice | 22:50 |
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| kerio | ccxN: extras-devel, community-testing | 23:26 |
| kerio | the usual | 23:26 |
| kerio | note: it's not actually recommended | 23:26 |
| ccxN | kerio: which mirrors? last time I've set it up the official were down | 23:33 |
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| kerio | last time | 23:38 |
| kerio | not this time | 23:38 |
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