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| xes | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12144 | 00:00 |
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| povbot | Bug 12144: Make gtk-update-icon-cache work as advertised | 00:00 |
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| xes | freemangordon: this is the latest gtk+2.0 that still has a working gtk-update-icon-cache http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/gtk+2.0/libgtk2.0-bin_2.14.7-1maemo12%2b0m5_armel.deb | 00:17 |
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| vi__ | ~kerio is kerio: holy shit you're old | 11:00 |
| infobot | vi__: cannot alter locked factoids | 11:00 |
| kerio | suck it bitch | 11:00 |
| kerio | ~kerio | 11:00 |
| infobot | well, kerio is <sixwheeledbeast> ah kerio, you beauty | 11:00 |
| kerio | <3 | 11:00 |
| vi__ | ~vi_ | 11:00 |
| vi__ | ~vi_ | 11:01 |
| vi__ | ~vi__ | 11:01 |
| infobot | [vi__] 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right | 11:01 |
| vi__ | yeah! | 11:01 |
| vi__ | I once copied my icons directory to a ramdisk and symlinked to it. | 11:02 |
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| vi__ | There is a widget called 'app search widget'. It lists all the programs hildon knows about. | 11:03 |
| vi__ | It takes ~1.2seconds to populate the list when you activate the widget. | 11:04 |
| vi__ | With the icons symlinked to a ramdisk it was unmeasurable. | 11:04 |
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| freemangordon | vi__: do you have any idea why? | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | metainfo of fs getting flushed from bufferes by data transferred for the icons? | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buffers* | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ioperf(?) should tell | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iotop? | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on unrelated topic: vapor phase soldering is really a weird thing | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | waaay smarter than hot air reflow | 13:53 |
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| sono | 2. Disadvantages | 14:27 |
| sono | High running costs. | 14:27 |
| sono | ;) | 14:27 |
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| vi__ | I have no idea. | 14:50 |
| vi__ | I assumed it was because they all need to be read from the emmc. | 14:50 |
| vi__ | But surely it should be cached if that was the case? | 14:50 |
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| mashina | is reformatting a good idea if I haven't touched it in a LONG time? | 16:21 |
| mashina | i have an N800 i haven't touched in a few months and cleaning the cruft seems like a good idea | 16:22 |
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| mashina | not turning on | 16:23 |
| mashina | guess plugging it in would be a start | 16:23 |
| mashina | she turned right on! | 16:27 |
| mashina | that's a good start | 16:27 |
| mashina | N800 lives again :D | 16:29 |
| mashina | anyways, should I clean it out? | 16:29 |
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| mashina | i have a nice big 32 GB SD card for it to replace to 128 MB card it came with | 16:31 |
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| chem|st | mashina: it is not like it is getting dusty between the electrons when lieing around... | 16:35 |
| mashina | eyah but maybe a fresh start is what i need | 16:35 |
| mashina | there's probably lots of daemons and FS cruft and installed apps... | 16:35 |
| chem|st | what you need is a different thing | 16:35 |
| chem|st | you probably want to check if all repos are still available and if not have a look where they got mirrored | 16:36 |
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| mashina | i think i just used stock + some but i'll check when it charges a bit more | 16:39 |
| marcosx86 | hello all | 16:44 |
| marcosx86 | is the Meego pub repos dead? | 16:44 |
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| vi__ | why is everyone getting excited about this jolla phone? | 17:24 |
| vi__ | more closed source abandonware. | 17:25 |
| hbib | i can't understand it either ... | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: It is largely open sourced. | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: Is it less opensourced from a perspective of the drivers than would be liked - yes. | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply because of market reality, and the inability to source parts with actual docs. | 17:30 |
| Ilmatar | i'd like to see your source for claiming it's closed source | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you screw with the underlying layers much, much more than android or even harmattan (due to aegis) - yes. (AIUI at least) | 17:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it as open as GTA* and neo900 - no. | 17:33 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if jolla or N5 will exit unobtanium status first | 17:49 | |
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| vi__ | is it as open as harmattan was? | 18:09 |
| vi__ | If we could just get the specs to the MTK chips we could have access to a shit tin of modern hardware. | 18:10 |
| vi__ | ^shit ton | 18:11 |
| vi__ | ~vi__ | 18:11 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, vi__ is 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right | 18:11 |
| vi__ | I know doc. | 18:11 |
| vi__ | THanks for noticing. | 18:11 |
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| marmistrz | freemangordon: ping | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: really? even with the insane cost of electric energy here in Germany? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: also seems like a hot air reflow needs like 50m^3 while a vapor phase you can run in your closet | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: ok, there are small hot air reflow which work for single boards | 18:24 |
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| sono | i just quoted... | 18:30 |
| sono | in a meeting | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:30 |
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| vi__ | ~music | 18:35 |
| infobot | well, music is essential for hacking -- especially calming music for debugging so you don't throw the damn machine out the nearest window Available from magnatune, a company that isn't evil. | 18:35 |
| vi__ | ~nformation | 18:35 |
| vi__ | ~information | 18:35 |
| infobot | Information is not Knowledge \ Knowledge is not Wisdom \ Wisdom is not Truth \ Truth is not Beauty \ Beauty is not Love \ Beauty is a French phonetic corruption of a short, cloth, neck ornament.currently in resurgence. \ Love is not Music \ Music is THE BEST | 18:35 |
| vi__ | yeah! | 18:36 |
| vi__ | ^99 | 18:36 |
| vi__ | ~^99 | 18:36 |
| vi__ | ~^3 | 18:36 |
| vi__ | ~!3 | 18:36 |
| vi__ | !3 | 18:36 |
| vi__ | ~d6 | 18:36 |
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| vi__ | infobot you suck | 18:37 |
| infobot | and very well I might add | 18:37 |
| vi__ | infobot you banana | 18:37 |
| mashina | alright, all my repos seem acceptance | 18:43 |
| mashina | seems like it;s the perfect time to wipe it clean (n800 that is) | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: you suck | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~3! | 18:44 |
| infobot | 3! is, like, 6 | 18:44 |
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| mashina | ~global thermonuclear war | 18:48 |
| infobot | how about a nice game of chess? | 18:48 |
| mashina | hehehehe | 18:48 |
| marmistrz | freemangordon: ping | 18:56 |
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| freemangordon | marmistrz: pong | 19:03 |
| marmistrz | ok | 19:03 |
| marmistrz | I installed the sdk from the cli script | 19:04 |
| marmistrz | These are my packages | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK that one install hathor | 19:04 |
| vi__ | :( | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | you need aphophis | 19:04 |
| vi__ | what like from stargate? | 19:05 |
| marmistrz | What's strange hathor worked since a year or so, and has recently broken. | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | could be | 19:05 |
| marmistrz | btw. apophis seems to break embedlite-components, iirc | 19:05 |
| marmistrz | sorry, my mistake | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | no, it is hathor that breaks it | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: http://pastebin.com/kGRTsab5 | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | this is what I have installed | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: just download the debs and install them | 19:06 |
| marmistrz | thx | 19:07 |
| marmistrz | can I install from the apt repo on amd64? | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/branches/apophis/r4/deb/ | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: yes, but you need to install x86 libs | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | also, you need to tweak some of the debs and remove python dependency | 19:08 |
| marmistrz | you dl-ed from here? | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | you'll see what I mean when you hit the error | 19:08 |
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| freemangordon | marmistrz: I use x86 virtual mashine | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | no amd64 ;) | 19:09 |
| marmistrz | and would using tar.gz for apophis workaround the error you're talking about? | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: NFC | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | you'd better do as I say, that is how I make aphophis working on my ubuntu 12.04 64bit | 19:10 |
| marmistrz | thx :) | 19:10 |
| marmistrz | why do we need to use the older release for Maemo? | 19:11 |
| marmistrz | according to http://scratchbox.org/download/ | 19:11 |
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| freemangordon | marmistrz: I guess somehting is broken in hathor | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | btw my qemu is from hathor | 19:11 |
| marmistrz | So should I download apophis-only pkgs, or tweak anything more? | 19:12 |
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| marmistrz | freemangordon: And does the autobuilder use hathor or apophis? | 19:15 |
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| freemangordon | marmistrz: hathor | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: yes, just download the same versions as mine and you'll be ok | 19:16 |
| marmistrz | thx | 19:16 |
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| marmistrz | freemangordon: Just noticed that my version of qemu is the apophis one... ;) 0.10 is entirely non-existent in hathor... | 19:21 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: ping | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | Pali: pong | 19:33 |
| Pali | freemangordon: where is your LD_PRELOAD patch? | 19:33 |
| Pali | for rtcom-call-ui | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | on my PC :D | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | hold on a second | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | Pali: http://pastebin.com/MhbEMjNM | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | you know, quick'n'dirty | 19:35 |
| Pali | ok | 19:36 |
| Pali | will look at kernel | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | Pali: we can't avoid LD_PRELOAD IMO | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | if not for call-ui then for something else | 19:38 |
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| freemangordon | I wonder if this isn't way easier than maintaining kernel patches | 19:39 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 19:41 |
| Pali | problem with above patch is that above path can change again in next kernel version... | 19:41 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: sure, but a .so is way easier to maintain | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | Pali: not to say we can put those replacements in a config file and tweak it while booting | 19:43 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: for that audio/jack problem, it is better to create new hal module for exporting it | 19:52 |
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| mashina | alright, gonna wpe it | 20:10 |
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| Pali | $ sudo hal-device -a /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input < /dev/null && sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input --key input.jack.type --strlist-pre "a" && sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_soc_audio_logicaldev_input --key input.jack.type --strlist-rem "a" | 20:15 |
| Pali | freemangordon: maybe above command can help ^^^^ | 20:16 |
| Pali | it create fake hal device with input.jack.type property | 20:16 |
| Pali | (I do not know which property rtcom-call-ui reading) | 20:16 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: yes, above commands fix rtcom-call-ui crashes | 20:32 |
| Pali | here is upstart script: http://pastebin.com/W7N6KVmc | 20:33 |
| Pali | just store it to directory /etc/event.d/ | 20:33 |
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| marmistrz | freemangordon: ping | 21:02 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 21:08 |
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| marmistrz | android_808: ping | 21:11 |
| android_808 | marmistrz: pong | 21:11 |
| marmistrz | You remember the scratchbox stuff? | 21:11 |
| android_808 | What bit? | 21:11 |
| marmistrz | The one from cssu thumb | 21:12 |
| marmistrz | thread | 21:12 |
| android_808 | yep, how you getting on with it? | 21:12 |
| marmistrz | Well, reinstalled the whole scratchbox (simply untar-ed) | 21:12 |
| marmistrz | with these pgks | 21:12 |
| marmistrz | s/pgks/pkgs/ | 21:12 |
| infobot | marmistrz meant: with these pkgs | 21:12 |
| marmistrz | http://pastebin.com/7j9eeFGR | 21:13 |
| marmistrz | Still segfaults with libgtk2.0-bin | 21:13 |
| marmistrz | Tried pushing hathor qemu, even qemu-arm-static from raring | 21:13 |
| marmistrz | still fails | 21:13 |
| marmistrz | didn't install from debs, as they want me to remove python ;) - its easier from tgz | 21:14 |
| marmistrz | (for qemu-arm-static, changed the qemu variable in /scratchbox/users/marcin/targets/fremantle.config) | 21:15 |
| marmistrz | android_808: seems it would be the end of the report :) | 21:17 |
| android_808 | remind me, been up for hours, what command you run to cause it? | 21:17 |
| marmistrz | update-gtk-immodules | 21:18 |
| marmistrz | brb, gotta reboot | 21:24 |
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| marmistrz | android_808: I'm back | 21:26 |
| android_808 | marmistrz: Welcome back. i've got same glib as fmg mentioned, libglib2.0-dev 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0+thumb0, and libgtk2.0-bin (program from here) 2.14.7-1maemo34+0cssu2+thumb0. | 21:26 |
| marmistrz | android_808: it fails even with the sdk version | 21:27 |
| android_808 | marmistrz: what is output of cat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr on host? | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: (LD_PRELOAD) what about apps? | 21:28 |
| marmistrz | 65536 | 21:28 |
| android_808 | marmistrz: change it 4096 or lower, I'm on 0 | 21:28 |
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| marmistrz | what does that mean? | 21:29 |
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| marmistrz | android_808: and do I have to reboot after the change? | 21:30 |
| android_808 | no. From wiki: In order to run ARMEL binaries in scratchbox the mmap_min_address needs to be set to 4096 or lower. Normally the SDK installer warns about that, but in Ubuntu Lucid the /proc entry is visible only to root, so the SDK installer can not see it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568844 This also prevents qemu from checking the value, in which case it is assumed to be 0. Because of this, until | 21:30 |
| android_808 | the bug is fixed (kernel 2.6.34 is unaffected, and at least that version will be in Maverick), the value should be set to 0 on Lucid. | 21:30 |
| marmistrz | android_808: Well, magic, works! ;) | 21:30 |
| marmistrz | thank you very much! | 21:30 |
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| android_808 | add it to /etc/sysctl.conf and it will automatically set it on boot. | 21:31 |
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| marmistrz | and what does the mmap_min_address in the system? | 21:31 |
| marmistrz | s/in/do in/ | 21:32 |
| infobot | marmistrz meant: and what does the mmap_mdo in_address in the system? | 21:32 |
| marmistrz | s/in /do in / | 21:32 |
| infobot | marmistrz meant: and what does the mmap_min_address do in the system? | 21:32 |
| android_808 | marmistrz: See: https://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr My turn for a qt question. | 21:33 |
| marmistrz | ok, thx :) proceed ;) | 21:33 |
| android_808 | marmistrz: is there any real difference between public slots: and public Q_SLOTS: in a qt header file? | 21:33 |
| marmistrz | I have no idea. | 21:34 |
| marmistrz | I'd have to dig a little | 21:34 |
| marmistrz | but my guess it'd be the same | 21:34 |
| marmistrz | I've never seen Q_SLOTS, always used slots | 21:35 |
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| android_808 | fmg sent me a test app for embedlite work. I've always used slots: but I get error about expected : before 'slots'. Appears to be caused by some of the lines in project file. Source file from fmg uses Q_SLOTS and that builds | 21:36 |
| marmistrz | Well, strange and interesting. | 21:36 |
| marmistrz | Gonna let you know if I find sth | 21:37 |
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| marmistrz | I have to quit, send me an e-mail/pm if you were to need something. | 21:38 |
| marmistrz | thx again! | 21:38 |
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| zammy | why if I recharge my n900 by dynamo hand tool it does not charge? | 22:30 |
| zammy | as I apply the same on an android tablet it works... | 22:30 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: well, creating a fake hal device might prevent call-ui from crashing, but it actually sets a notifier on it | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | so, call-ui will never get notified about a neadsed plugged or something like that | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | iiuc | 22:38 |
| Pali | problem is that full audio is buggy... and until this will be fixed (in kernel or userspace) it does not make sense to do something more... | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | that's for sure | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | (broken audio) | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-/ | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: short D+ and D- | 22:40 |
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| zammy | ? DocScrutinizer05 | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: I'd be DAMN CAREFUL with such geeky stuff like hand dynamo charger. You might easily fry your device | 22:42 |
| zammy | I don't get--- | 22:42 |
| zammy | wait | 22:42 |
| zammy | why | 22:42 |
| zammy | how fry | 22:42 |
| zammy | it's not a freaky charger | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. by driving the dynamo backwards thus applying inverted voltage to USB | 22:42 |
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| zammy | but a mobile phone charger | 22:42 |
| zammy | just dynamo | 22:42 |
| zammy | lolo | 22:43 |
| zammy | inverted | 22:43 |
| zammy | yes... I can suppose it is inverted... | 22:43 |
| zammy | idkl | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply by the damn thing outputting 25V the very moment the charger circuit switches off the load | 22:43 |
| zammy | DocScrutinizer05, indeed as I try to charge my n900 it seems cause the opposite effect | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you've been warned | 22:44 |
| zammy | discharge | 22:44 |
| zammy | ... | 22:44 |
| zammy | well... | 22:44 |
| zammy | thank | 22:44 |
| zammy | but... | 22:45 |
| zammy | how to ... shall I give back this damn hand charger | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, we can't and won't evaluate the risks and quirks of your particular charger | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are it's a damn cheap build from china, with absolutely nothing in it to protect the phone | 22:46 |
| zammy | DocScrutinizer05, as I stress the damn charger with weird moves | 22:46 |
| zammy | so stressing my self too | 22:46 |
| zammy | I get sometimes n900 saying battery is charging | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, not going to evaluate this any further | 22:47 |
| zammy | but after a while as I loose the right rythm it says charger disconnected | 22:47 |
| zammy | but it says that even if I am still applying the hand | 22:47 |
| zammy | and ... DocScrutinizer05 this you can evaluate | 22:48 |
| zammy | just like error | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could explain all those effects to you, but i won't since it takes a while and no benefit of it | 22:48 |
| zammy | it sends weird red sparking led signals | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the damn thng probably not even has a buffer capacitor | 22:50 |
| zammy | ...right | 22:50 |
| zammy | that's the point the same I suppose | 22:50 |
| zammy | thanks | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use it for dumb battery chargers, not for delicate electronic devices | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or power your USB attached torch gadget with it | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, does it even come with USB or do you use an adapter to connect a generic barrel connector or whatever to the poor N900? | 22:53 |
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| zammy | I use an adapter by my self | 22:55 |
| zammy | I have many miniusb adapters... | 22:56 |
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| zammy | no way with all cables | 22:59 |
| zammy | it is just able to wake up the phone... but does not charge it | 22:59 |
| zammy | as you say it's buffer capacitor lack... the cause | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the cause is you'e using an absolutely FORBIDDEN DANGEROUS adapter | 23:01 |
| zammy | http://asktwitr.com/wJkEfC/B009BSHPLO.jpg | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 23:02 |
| zammy | http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/926204264/Portable-3-LED-Hand-cranked-Dynamo-Solar-Power-Torch-Flashlight-Torche-for-Outdoor-Camping.jpg_220x220.jpg | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nd, where does the damn thing state "5.0Volt USB compliant output"? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and* | 23:03 |
| zammy | at max 4volt | 23:03 |
| zammy | I verified | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're a seriously weird guy | 23:04 |
| zammy | ... | 23:04 |
| zammy | don't you have any geek advice? | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes: stop doing such dangerous experiments! | 23:05 |
| zammy | lol | 23:05 |
| zammy | I can't promise | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or get used to *learning+ about what you're about to do | 23:06 |
| zammy | my only reason to buy n900 was testing the fly thing | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see USB specs | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you also could try the throw thing | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's an app that demonstrates how accelerometer range gets exceeded when you throw the N900 against a brick wall | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SCNR | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:08 |
| zammy | very cool | 23:08 |
| zammy | I mean the accelerometar stuff | 23:08 |
| zammy | not the wall | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the problem with the app: only very few people were able to read out the logs of acceleration from the N900 storage after doing the test | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there must be a bug in the app, regarding writing the logs to flash storage, allegedly it can even cause massive problems reading *anything* from flash | 23:10 |
| zammy | that's a challenge | 23:10 |
| zammy | anyway a good app... the best one | 23:11 |
| zammy | good this one? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FU%2BOYkGdL._SY355_.jpg | 23:15 |
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| zammy | what's the flex flat | 23:33 |
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| zammy | http://www.ebay.it/itm/fur-Nokia-N900-mobiler-Akku-Just-Mobile-4400mAh-/250914394102?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item3a6ba9cff6 | 23:56 |
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