IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-11-28

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SpeedEvilIt's just a USB charger00:07
SpeedEvilUSB battery00:07
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FIQok, so I noticed that inserting this mobile battery inside my N900 lead to visible sparks at the top side right above insertion (behind the N900 cover text, kinda)01:21
FIQis this a bad thing?01:21
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FIQthe phone also refuses to boot, but that happens sometimes in general too (in which the solution is to just reove and reinsert the battery)01:22
FIQshould I ignore it and just boot it or stop using this battery?01:22
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FIQstrangely it's not the side which is (dis)charged, but the other side.. on the N900 itself01:25
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FIQtook out and reinserted the battery, no sparks, and it seems to work properly now, but uh.. should I use the battery, and is there no problem and just something temporary? everything I can find googling is that estel had noticed such issue in one case of some kind of special bttery01:30
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DocScrutinizer05WUT? SPARKS??01:36
DocScrutinizer05I *strongly* recommend not using this battery any more. I actually recommend storing it outside your house in a steel containment01:37
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DocScrutinizer05where exactly where the sparks? I seem to not get your description01:39
FIQyou know the small metal things that hold the battery in place on the phone?01:39
FIQi.e. the 2... things I can't describe properly01:39
DocScrutinizer05also this sentence doesn't make sense to me: >>strangely it's not the side which is (dis)charged, but the other side.. on the N900 itself<<01:39
FIQi.e. not the 3-connector-side, but the other side of the battery01:40
DocScrutinizer05the spring latches at bottom of battery01:40
DocScrutinizer05made of steel01:40
FIQthe side with the logo01:40
DocScrutinizer05logo? you mean the hologram?01:41
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DocScrutinizer05the sparks are inside that battery, right?01:42
FIQthey appear between the battery and the phone's latches01:42
FIQduring insertion01:42
FIQwell, appeared01:42
DocScrutinizer05that's a pretty scary thing to happen01:43
FIQwell, it seems to work just fine now (didn't turn it on, but holding power button makes led appear happily like usual)01:43
FIQwhat do you suggest me doing?01:43
xesFIQ: What are you waiting for? The phone or the battery explosion?01:43
DocScrutinizer05as I said above: discard the battery safely01:44
FIQDocScrutinizer05: hmmmmmmm ok01:44
xeshi DocScrutinizer05!01:45
FIQthis kinda cripples me, but safety over convenience definitely01:45
DocScrutinizer05hi xes01:45
FIQlet's try to figure out what to do for now01:45
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: if you feel venturous, you can disassemble the battery by peeling off the plastic sticky tape jacket - on a fireproof bench under open sky01:46
FIQI don't understand what you mean01:46
DocScrutinizer05I mean you either store the battery in a tin box or tin can in the open outside your home (on lacony or your garden) until you move to a disposal site where you can get rid of it, or you disassemble the battery to see what was wrong with it if you're curious enough01:48
xesthe first trick to identify a damaged battery is to put it on the table and check if it's a little inflated instead to be perfectly flat...01:49
DocScrutinizer05I'd not do the dis-assembly in a closed room01:49
DocScrutinizer05xes: this one *sparks*01:49
DocScrutinizer05so not the usual swelling01:49
DocScrutinizer05it might have an internal short or sth01:50
FIQjust to make eventual translations clear of any mis-understanding: with sparking, I mean that white light appeared during insertion between the batttery and phone as explained above01:50
DocScrutinizer05shorting LiIon cell is usually a poor idea01:50
FIQif this is not mis-understood, I'll make sure to get rid of that battery ASAP tomorrow (it's 00:51 atm, I don't have much better choice)01:51
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: yes, this can only be the battery inside, I think01:51
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DocScrutinizer05place it outside your room, best place it outside any room01:52
FIQshould I remove the battery from N900 or keep it inside atm?01:52
DocScrutinizer05and for sure place it away from any flammable materials01:52
xesFIQ: a new HQ battery costs 13 euro. Would you live with the risk of an exploding phone in your pouch?01:52
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FIQxes: definitely not01:53
FIQxes: just trying to figure out what to do *right now* at 1am when everyone sleeps01:53
FIQDocScrutinizer05: ok01:53
DocScrutinizer05would you want to risk your house burning down?01:53
FIQso let's see, atm I'm considering placing it either outside (where I'll have trouble finding it tomorrow) or inside in a closed room far from everyone else (including me)01:55
DocScrutinizer05on your window board maybe?01:56
FIQthe former will most likely kill the battery off for good (and possibly even making it more likely to do silly stuff), the latter is more unsafe in case it *does* do silly stuff01:56
FIQhm perhaps01:56
xeswindow----------wire--------------battery    :)01:56
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DocScrutinizer05it's not a big fire or explosion that could happen, just a smal one like lighting a complete box of lighters maybe01:57
DocScrutinizer05but the fumes are toxic01:57
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xesDocScrutinizer05: i'm not of the same idea, if charged can create a nice fire cloud of ~30 - 40 cm diameter01:58
FIQit is fully charged, unless the charging stopped working mid-charge01:59
FIQ(as I was charging it before noticing this)01:59
DocScrutinizer05xes: well yes, like a matchbox full of matches lighting up02:00
DocScrutinizer05maybe a bit worse02:00
FIQok I'll leave it outside in the balcony, currently it's -5C outside so it should have a hard time doing anything nasty02:02
DocScrutinizer05 maybe a *tad* worse02:03
DocScrutinizer05damn, 7s too late02:04
xes  ..a matchbox full of matches eh?02:05
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xesbtw 18650 are the most dangerous cells..02:07
FIQ2m from house should be safe in case of explosion, right?02:10
FIQ(balcony was locked eh, had to resort to literally placing it outside of the house in the open)02:10
DocScrutinizer0518650 literally nuked off some dude's balcony02:11
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: 2m should be fine02:11
FIQok then02:12
xes:) it's "funny" when you start thinking that your laptop usually contains at least 8 x 18650...02:13
DocScrutinizer05damn, I seem to have no bookmark on this event. The dude inserted two 18650 into a 50W torch and switched it on to full power. It heated up and when he dropped it an explosion happened that blasted away the 1m^2 of balcony balustrade and created a 2cm wide crater in the concrete or stone floor02:20
FIQso... once people wake up in a few hours, what should I do with the battery?02:20
FIQi.e. where to get rid of it02:21
DocScrutinizer05good question. I don't know about regulations at your place, here we got special dumps for toxic and problematic waste, which are managed by a few "experts"02:22
DocScrutinizer05don't feel too scared, the LiIon cell will "warn" you well ahead of time (at least some 10 seconds), by getting hot and swelling02:23
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HurrianDocScrutinizer05: IIRC that was on the "powerful LED flashlights" forum02:26
Hurrianfunny thing too actually, I've got a few boxes of 18650 downstairs for an EV project when summer/xmas break rolls around02:28
mashinachug the clubmate friends02:29
mashinait's german hacker christmastime, aka CCC02:29
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DocScrutinizer05I think the problem with the power torch been the aluminum case made of massive and airtight seals02:29
DocScrutinizer05mashina: HUH?02:29
Hurriando the batteries vent that much gas?02:29
FIQDocScrutinizer05: can I just throw it at an usual "dispose your used batteries here" place? because I have no idea what to do otherwise :p02:30
FIQtried to google it a bit, foudn nothing02:30
mashinai thought you were a german hacker, and thus went to ccc and drank clubmate02:30
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: I don't know02:30
DocScrutinizer05mashina: that's in one month02:30
DocScrutinizer05mashina: we still have November02:31
DocScrutinizer05maybe you're on a different calendar, dunno02:31
mashinabut you know, christmas season starts in november02:31
mashinathat's how retailers and venezuela do it02:31
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FIQbackup battery charged, just tried to insert it in phone and carefully see what it did02:40
FIQif it would *also* spark, then I would stop using both N900 and my charger and resort to my old phone02:41
FIQallthough there was no signs of any issues02:41
FIQso it's all good I guess (*that* battery that is02:41
FIQtried 3 times in a row to make sure02:41
FIQallthough it might be worth pointing out that I've ocasionally seen my phone shut off and refuse to boot again without taking out and reinserting the battery, I assumed this was due to my springs being loose, I never took this into consideration02:45
FIQbut now I'm pretty sure that this was the same battery and that it has acted like this for a bit too long to really call it safe02:45
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FIQDocScrutinizer05: how does issues like these originate in first place though?03:06
DocScrutinizer05tbh I never heard of any such incidence03:06
DocScrutinizer05might be a cable came loose or an isolator broken03:07
DocScrutinizer05or some conductive debris got in during fabrication03:07
FIQI've used this battery for 4 years03:08
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FIQthere was no issue originally, but I've had issues like described above (@random shutdowns with impossibility to turn on) since a few months back03:09
DocScrutinizer05but when you had other related issues too, then hardly03:09
FIQyeah, I just never realized that they could stem from a bad battery03:10
FIQand thus never did anything about it03:10
FIQ(given that I had another, unrelated, problem wih my springs)03:10
FIQ[02:09:29] <DocScrutinizer05> delusion03:11
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FIQwell, apart from a few (rare) drops of the phone from time to time, I haven't really handled it badly03:12
FIQso yeah03:12
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DocScrutinizer05anybody from USA or Canada awake?07:39
DocScrutinizer05I have a question regarding your phone carriers07:40
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vi__18650 are not dangerous.10:34
vi__does that mean 36650 are 2*dangerous?10:35
vi__any lithium battery will nuke if it is overcharged/reverse polarity.10:35
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: good lord.  some of the questions in here in the past 20hours.  Batteries sparking?  Hand wound Chinese dynamo?10:42
vi__What do you wan to know about US carriers?10:43
Hurrianvi__: there are so many badly made 18650 though.10:43
vi__That is true.10:44
Hurriangiven their energy density, Really Bad Things(tm) can happen, compared to other plain ol' dinky batteries10:44
vi__However it would have to be the worst 18650 ever to explode without promting.10:44
vi__Pretty much all of the tales of exploding li-ions on the net are due to not charging them properly.10:45
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DocScrutinizer05vi__: thanks, got all answers10:46
DocScrutinizer05 refresh!10:46
vi__with lte maybe I can finally have sip over mobile phone data.10:47
vi__Li-ions require special treatment.  They are usually fine when they are hidden from the user in sealed pack with a charge controller.10:47
DocScrutinizer05when UMTS doesn't suffice then odds are you're SOL10:47
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vi__When there is no charge controller the user is required to obey the rules of li-ion.10:48
vi__If not, that is when they explode.10:48
Hurrianvi__: IIRC the guy who used the 18650s in his super duper LED flashlight just supplied rated voltage to it.10:49
Hurrianisn't there supposed to be a curve?10:49
vi__DocScrutinizer: I seem to get around 300ms ping over 3g.10:49
vi__This makes SIP SUCK.10:49
vi__Hurrian: I do not know specifically which case you are referring too.  The most famous case I read where the guy almost blew his hand off was very much his own fault.10:50
vi__Also he nearly burned his house down.10:50
DocScrutinizer05nah, this actually almost doesn't matter10:50
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vi__He was using knockoff cells in a knockoff charger in a knockoff light.10:50
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: you are saying 300ms ping is ok?10:51
HurrianLi-ion bomb!10:51
DocScrutinizer05sure, for VoIP10:51
DocScrutinizer05what would be the negative effect?10:54
DocScrutinizer05you hearing far end 150ms later?10:54
DocScrutinizer05how terrible! ;-P10:54
vi__then why does the n900 sound like shit over a 3g connection?10:57
vi__which codec is best for a high latency line?10:57
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jaskaneed lithium6-deuteride batteries.11:40
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keriomy Conversations stopped working, lol14:27
mashinahave you tried turning it off and on again?14:36
kerioauenfx4: eyup14:41
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auenfx4err, n9 or n900?14:41
kerio n90014:42
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auenfx4dont recall seeing blank with n90014:47
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vi__perhaps your database has become corrupted?15:02
vi__try renaming it see if it works.15:03
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kerioi deleted draft.db already15:04
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vi__I meant the txt message db.15:09
kolpkerio: It's ~/rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db15:09
vi__kolp: ty15:09
infobotkolp meant: kerio: It's ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db15:09
vi__DONT DELETE IT!15:10
vi__rename it!15:10
keriohey vi__15:14
keriou mad15:14
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vi__No, I am utterly ambivalent to the notion that you may lose your entire history of txt messages.15:20
vi__wtf is this:15:21
vi__It smells like bs to me.15:21
fizzieThere seems to be a number of more or less sensible-looking academic papers on the concept, for different kinds of radio transmitters, but not really much about it being applied in practice to modern cell phones, except vague allusions to some commercial product from around 1998-2000 -- "PhonePrint", by "Corsair Communications" -- and there doesn't seem to be much of anything newer written ...15:37
fizzie... about the product or even the company itself.15:37
fizzie(Some of the "PhonePrint" press releases do bear quite a resemblance to parts of that Wikipedia article.)15:37
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LjLshame on me, i haven't turned on my N900 in months now16:23
LjLand i just found out i probably should, since Android is going all proprietary ;(16:23
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vi__android is going proprietary?16:33
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LjLvi__: well, they're moving more and more components that used to be part of it into Google apps, and deprecating/abandoning the open solutions... i think the icing on the cake so far is the location API16:41
LjLgood article about it
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vi__fucking proprietary software.16:45
vi__I appreciate you have to make some bucks, but when the hardware is utterly obsolete, let people use it.16:46
vi__so are there any platforms that do not suck all the asses?16:47
* LjL is wondering too, but thinks not16:50
LjLi hope my N900's battery isn't all kinds of dead from the neglect16:52
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vi__LjL: batteries are cheap as f*16:55
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LjLvi__: but it's often kind of hard to determine whether they're actually original, when buying them from ebay or amazon16:59
LjLand when buying them elsewhere (if they're available at all), they're usually not all that cheap at all16:59
vi__hey intel gma500 drivers source code is available.16:59
vi__it is linked to on the openpandora boards17:00
vi__intel gma500 is a rebranded powervr53517:00
vi__n900 has a shitty powervr53017:02
vi__by some magic can I get vsync now?17:02
SAiFatleast it have one17:02
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keriovi__: that 1600mAh battery is still going strong, btw17:03
kerionot sure about yours17:03
vi__I do not even know where mine is.17:03
vi__I pulled the label off to look inside,17:03
vi__Then I lost it somewhere.17:04
keriowhy did you do that17:04
kerioyou let the magic leak out17:04
vi__I wanted to see if the true capacity was stamped on thte side of the cell.17:04
vi__I told you it was 1600mAh.17:04
kerioi know!17:04
vi__I am using an old 1530 scud at the moment.17:04
kerioit's still like 1580mAh or something17:05
vi__It is probably down to ~12-1300 mAh.17:05
vi__Can you still buy them?17:05
kerioit's a surprisingly good battery17:05
kerioi couldn't find it anymore on aliexpress17:05
vi__Obviously it was too good.  The government must have pulled the plug.17:06
vi__I would like a raw li-ion cell with no protection that will fit in the battery bay.17:06
vi__It would be at least 1700mAh.17:06
kerioi wonder if i should just wait for a neo900 at this point17:06
keriomy n900 has a broken wifi :(17:07
vi__aw man.17:07
vi__that sucks asses17:07
kerioi should still try to reflash it17:07
kerioand yeah, it's kind of awful17:07
vi__what is worse, broken wifi or broken CMT?17:07
kerioto be fair, i have working usb networking and, in some way, working bluetooth PAN17:08
keriothere's no good bluetooth PAN UI tho17:08
vi__what about a smashed n900 on ebay?17:08
vi__Get the mobo out of it.17:08
kerioi have a n900 with a working wifi17:08
kerioand broken musb17:08
vi__broken n900 have hit ~40 euro on fleabay.17:11
deepyMaybe I should sell my working one and pay my rent with it17:11
vi__is your rent 70 euro?17:11
keriodon't be silly17:11
deepybecuase the browser IS TOO SLOW FOR ME D:17:11
vi__deepy: uninstall adblock.17:12
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deepyI don't have adblock17:12
vi__install some flash blocker.17:12
deepyI'm looking at pure HTML pages17:12
vi__overclock the shit out of it.17:12
kerioand THEN sell it!17:12
vi__crank that mutha to 1.15GHz.17:12
vi__No mercy.17:12
deepyI don't trust overclocking17:12
keriomaybe the cpu will calculate some bits wrong17:13
deepyBecause it traditionally meant voiding warranty, sacrificing stability and increasing heat17:13
keriobesides, winter is coming17:14
deepyI'm Swedish, there's no such thing as winter17:14
vi__so why don't you trust overclocking now?17:14
kerioif you're swedish, why the hell do you care about extra heat17:14
deepyBecause I live in Dublin, we have eternal autumn17:14
vi__also undervolting somewhat mitigates heat thing.17:14
kerionot really17:15
vi__yeah really.17:15
keriobesides, the heat is really not the issue here17:15
vi__then what is the issue?17:15
vi__I dont get it.17:15
kerioit eventually poops out17:15
kerioa lot sooner than the usual17:15
vi__O dear lord.  I have reduced the lifespan of my processor from 10000000 hours to 1000000 hours.17:16
vi__again, undervolting mitigates this.17:17
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vi__deepy: install power kernel.17:18
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vi__It comes with smartreflex activated.17:18
vi__it will overclock your device by around %30 and you will have a longer battery life as well.17:19
keriou wot m817:19
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vi__I assume powerkernel comes with the powerkernel settings script and the default profiles is as I have just said.17:20
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keriothere's no overclock by default17:20
kerioand even smartreflex isn't enabled until you decide17:20
vi__Oh.  Ok.17:20
vi__I stand corrected.17:21
vi__deepy: to make it go faster, install powerkernel.  enable SR and overclock 250-805MHz.17:22
vi__wham bam, thank you FMG.17:23
kerioinstall cssu-thumb first!17:23
keriomaybe it'll be fast enough17:23
vi__yeah that too.17:23
keriowithout overclocking17:23
vi__Dont be such a puff.17:23
vi__OC it.17:23
vi__No mercy.17:23
vi__Go hard or go home.17:23
SAiFI couldnt get it past 950..17:24
infobothmm... 3! is 617:24
SAiFeven in 950 when I run heavy, It collapse17:25
vi__infobot that is bullshit.17:25
infobotvi__: I think you lost me on that one17:25
vi__SAiF: SR does not work above 805.17:25
SAiFoops thats it17:26
keriovi__: 4e256417:26
SAiFso how should I be OC ing17:27
vi__kerio: sorry, i only count up to base12.17:27
vi__SAiF: start off by reading the wiki section on overclocking.17:27
kerioSAiF: 3ghz or you're a pussy17:28
vi__in short...install powerkernel, install powerkernel settings, kernel-config limits 250 80517:29
SAiFits even above microwave frequency,17:29
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android_808freemangordon: ping17:55
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infobotrumour has it, omap-oc is  read that!, or and this
infobot"OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"18:20
infobot[SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<<18:20
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DocScrutinizer05also SR is massively overrated18:21
DocScrutinizer05it might crate a maybe 10% runtime improvement on particular special use cases, like mp3 playback18:22
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DocScrutinizer05usually you'll not notice a difference at all. Why? Because CPU usually is doing "rush to idle" means it's running on max CPU clock to go to idle/zeroclock the faster, thus no SR will have any effect since it only is relevant for clock scaling to fractions of max CPU clock18:24
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DocScrutinizer05so in my book SR definitely is not worth the risk. Particularly since you never know what memory corruption will cause as fallout. Odds are all sorts of terrible things happen that you never would associate to SR18:28
vi__I have been running my device with SR enabled sine it was 'fixed'.18:29
vi__That is what, 1.5 years now?18:29
vi__on is it only 1?  I forget.18:30
vi__No corruption here.18:30
DocScrutinizer05how do you even know?18:30
vi__I think 1 year is a looooong test case.  especially for a 'heavy' user.18:31
DocScrutinizer05and there been no "fix2 for SR18:31
DocScrutinizer05just an enabling of stuff Nokia intentionally disabled to protect users18:31
vi__I think FMG did a little more than uncomment some code.18:32
SpeedEvilThe problem is we have no understanding of why SR was disabled. Was it 'we can't prove 100% that it's reliable on all devices' or 'stuff catches fire'18:33
vi__Who knows.18:33
vi__The anecdotal evidence, which there is a lot of suggests it is now working OK.18:34
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Palispeex arm neon optimalization (which is closed in n900/maemo5) was opened, look:
PaliI do not understand why nobody informed maemo devs about it 2 years ago when it happened18:44
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Palijpeg neon oplimazations was opened too and patches are already in jpeg-turbo project18:44
DocScrutinizer05vi__: nonsense18:44
infobotsomebody said vi__ was 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right18:45
DocScrutinizer05don't make me redefine the factoid! :-P18:45
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Paliand here is git repo with that neon speex patches created/maintained by author of patches:
DocScrutinizer05you're free to state you are willing to gamble on not having one of the maybe 10% lemons that don't work, or that you don't care MTBF going down form maybe 5000h to 500 or 10 or whatever, or that you don't need the level of reliablity or safety that Nokia thought is mandatory for commercial products. But don't claim Nokia and TI were simply too dull or evel minded to put their own technology to proper work, that's extreme hybris and silly18:48
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: maybe Neon is considered a bummer?18:49
solofightpeople, i am trying to install the usb host mode gui application on my nokia n900 running maemo but i get this error -
vi__I never said such a thing.18:49
solofighteven if i try to force the installation with -f it aint installing the app18:49
solofighthow to proceed ?18:49
solofightkindly help18:50
vi__I said 'I do not know why nokia/ti could not make it work' or something like that.18:50
vi__what kernel are you running?18:50
DocScrutinizer05solofight: install i2ctools manually18:50
DocScrutinizer05and you also need to install a recent powerkernel18:51
solofightDocScrutinizer05: i2ctools manually ? you mean download the file and compile it in the system ?18:51
DocScrutinizer05vi__: don't you think nokia and TI also didn't know, and felt pretty pissed about it?18:51
solofightrecent powerkernel ?18:52
DocScrutinizer05solofight: download the .deb and and install with dpkg -i18:52
infobotrumour has it, kp is
DocScrutinizer05solofight: sorry for the inconveniences but recently it seems our repos bitrot a lot18:53
Pali~kp is
infobotPali: i already had it that way18:54
infobotfrom memory, kp is
DocScrutinizer05vi__: again, see18:54
infobot[SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<<18:54
DocScrutinizer05(verbatim quote FatPhil )18:55
DocScrutinizer05(who been kernel maintainer at Nokia)18:56
DocScrutinizer05so unless you can come up with a proper stresstest on a number of devices like >NN, to spot *every* memory corruption caused by SR, you can't even claim it's supposed to have seen any fixes at all18:57
vi__Well in my opinion it is fine.18:59
vi__Use it at your own risk.18:59
DocScrutinizer05opinions are like a.....18:59
DocScrutinizer05everybody got one18:59
vi__give me a break.18:59
vi__I am not some 2 bit shit shoveling 'rom cooker' from xda developer.18:59
DocScrutinizer05just don't claim "SR is ficed"! it isn't!19:00
DocScrutinizer05all that got accomplished is parts of community deliberately ignoring a bugreport from inside Nokia19:01
DocScrutinizer05and working around the safeguards Nokia implemented in kernel after they found out19:01
vi__It works for me.19:01
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vi__I enjoy my extra 10% battery life while cpu is at work.19:02
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DocScrutinizer05WFM is the worst of all statements when it comes to heissenbugs19:02
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DocScrutinizer05and your 10% extra only happen when your CPU runs at 250MHz19:02
vi__The cpu is running on a reduced voltage on every frequency step.19:03
vi__Not just 250.19:03
DocScrutinizer05so WTF would Nokia decide to overvolt the CPU?19:03
DocScrutinizer05and why would SR be needed to fix that?19:03
vi__Who claims they overvolted the CPU?19:04
solofightDocScrutinizer05: so i need to manuall download the .deb package of i2ctools and then do a apt-get install kernel-power-flasher19:04
DocScrutinizer05and how *could* it fix that?19:04
solofightcorrect ?19:04
DocScrutinizer05vi__: YOU19:04
DocScrutinizer05[2013-11-28 18:03:23] <vi__> The cpu is running on a reduced voltage on every frequency step.19:04
vi__Nokia set the CPU voltage within a nice safe margin, guaranteed to work on all devices.19:04
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DocScrutinizer05solofight: kernel-power-flasher *modules and kernel-power19:05
infobotkp is probably
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DocScrutinizer05though I heard right now a working KP should be in extras-devel again19:05
DocScrutinizer05asl Pali19:05
DocScrutinizer05when post #1 in doesn't have the info it should have19:06
Pali~kp is
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infoboti already had it that way, Pali19:06
infobotmethinks kp is
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Palikp is
infobotit has been said that kp is
Palibad link again19:07
Paliinfobot is not working...19:07
Palikp52 is in extras19:07
DocScrutinizer05no, you're not working19:07
zammyinfobot has to get graduated19:07
DocScrutinizer05 ~literal kp19:07
infobot"#maemo kp" is ""19:07
Pali[18:06:30] <infobot> i already had it that way, Pali19:07
DocScrutinizer05 ~literal kp19:08
infobot"#maemo kp" is ""19:08
zammywhich way19:08
DocScrutinizer05~forget _default kp19:08
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i didn't have anything called '_default kp' to forget19:08
DocScrutinizer05~forget  kp19:08
infoboti forgot kp, DocScrutinizer0519:08
DocScrutinizer05 ~literal kp19:08
infobot"#maemo kp" is ""19:08
infobothmm... kp is
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo kp is
infobot...but #maemo kp is already something else...19:09
zammyforget boobs19:09
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo kp is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0519:09
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, kp is
DocScrutinizer05Pali: better?19:09
DocScrutinizer05Pali: please make sure you are editing the correct factoid!19:09
Paliah, this aliasing is bad19:10
DocScrutinizer05this is no aliasing19:10
Palithere is factoid aliasing19:10
DocScrutinizer05this is channel specific factoid search19:10
DocScrutinizer05~chanset #maemo19:10
infobotchan: #maemo (see _default also)19:10
infobot OnJoin => 1, _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot, factoidSearch => $chan _default19:10
Paliby default ~kp modifing something else as showing19:10
Paliso when infobot told me that "i already had it that way, Pali" I did not know why it still shown me old link19:11
DocScrutinizer05Pali: infobot is in ~120 channels19:11
DocScrutinizer05you mustn't fight with 119 other channels about pretty commonplace factoid keys like "kp"19:12
infobot125/125 channels, 4741 users, 3560 unique: #debian/1365, #kde/403, #maemo/243, #gsoc/237, #asterisk/214, #cubieboard/152, #wowuidev/144, #oe/143, #harmattan/120, #wowace/107, #meego/99, #arm-netbook/88, #wowhead/77, #utah/73, #/71, #webos-internals/66, #maemo-ssu/66, #openmoko/57, #edev/57, #bzflag/55, #asterisk-dev/53, #openmoko-cdevel/52, #neo900/43, #curseforge/39, #sc2mapster/38, #slug/33, #gllug/30, #uphpu/30, #elinux/30, #htc-linux/29, ...19:12
Paliit is BAD idea that calling "~kp new_value" is changing other factoid as calling "~kp"19:12
infobotcurseforge is, like, at but is still under development.19:12
vi__~gentoosmite DocScrutinizer0519:13
* infobot spends 5 days recompiling DocScrutinizer05, and when it's all done, DocScrutinizer05 runs 6% slower than previously19:13
DocScrutinizer05Pali: take it to infobot19:13
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I don't even have access to the server infobot is running on19:13
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zammyinfobot, should learn how to program it self19:14
infobotTimRiker is my owner19:14
DocScrutinizer05Pali: we need factoidSearch => $chan _default otherwise factoids like kp wouldn't be available at all or point to something completely unrelated19:15
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DocScrutinizer05hi dos119:16
infoboti guess multiboot is, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot19:16
DocScrutinizer05~_default multiboot19:17
infobothmm... multiboot is
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DocScrutinizer05damn, another factpoid some uneducated user ruined/hijacked19:17
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DocScrutinizer05~forget multiboot19:17
infoboti forgot multiboot, DocScrutinizer0519:17
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys multiboot19:17
infobotFactoid search of 'multiboot' by key (3): #maemo multiboot ;; maemo-multiboot ;; multiboot #DEL#.19:17
DocScrutinizer05~unforget multiboot19:18
infobotDocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'multiboot'.  Have fun now.19:18
DocScrutinizer05~_default multiboot19:18
infobotsomebody said multiboot was
DocScrutinizer05~forget multiboot19:18
infoboti forgot multiboot, DocScrutinizer0519:18
DocScrutinizer05~multiboot is
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay19:19
infobotrumour has it, multiboot is, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot19:19
DocScrutinizer05~_default multiboot19:19
infoboti heard multiboot is
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: please learn to use "~literal <factoid>" to check what you are planning to teach bot19:20
DocScrutinizer05also "~factinfo <factoid>"19:20
DocScrutinizer05factoid database is not a toy to mess with lightheadedly19:21
DocScrutinizer05and the way bot works can get critizised but not ignored19:22
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Tekk_is there a package to get the file manager to recognize nfs shares?20:45
Tekk_it picks up on the various smb shares on my network, but not my nfs one20:45
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, prolly sth in or next to gnome-vfs or whatsitcalled22:12
DocScrutinizer05only wild guessing22:13
DocScrutinizer05also, NFS seriously?22:13
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DocScrutinizer05a pita even on stable wired local ethernet22:14
Defiantworks fine over wlan22:14
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, until $something stalls22:14
DocScrutinizer05then happy boot time22:15
Defiantunless you set soft,intr or do a lazy unmount22:15
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DocScrutinizer05usually of ALL machines in the network entangled with NFS shares22:15
DocScrutinizer05and don't get me started about user IDs22:17
DocScrutinizer05current ubuntu comes with a brilliant¡ hack to use target machine's etc/passwd to convert numerical user ID to file permissions22:18
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DocScrutinizer05go figure!22:20
DocScrutinizer05err /etc/groups22:20
DocScrutinizer05and source machines etc/groups iirc22:21
DocScrutinizer05to ship around the NFS design limitation of max (iirc) 16 auxiliary groups a user can be in22:22
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DocScrutinizer05been so stupid I already actively forgot about the details22:22
DocScrutinizer05particularly since I never touch ubuntu without massive pressure and violence threat22:24
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