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co_djogdjahello all16:52
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r00t^homeso, yesterday my n900 got dropped (pretty brutally, it also dislodged the spring in the lens cover) while it was booting17:48
r00t^homeand has a rather strange problem since:17:48
r00t^homeit boots up ok (albeit slowly), only the status icons next to the carrier name don't load17:49
r00t^homebut as soon as i click pretty much anything, the ui just hangs forever17:49
r00t^homei can still ssh in via wlan, and everything looks ok... nothing in dmesg, no excess cpu usage, ...17:50
r00t^homeany suggestions what to try before re-flashing?17:50
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anYcfsck maybe18:00
r00t|eeepcit hangs with the highlight on the icon or button i clicked still displayed...18:00
r00t|eeepcand seems to recover when i kill hildon-desktop18:01
r00t|eeepcwell, how does one fsck root or home while they are mounted...18:01
r00t|eeepcalso, no filesystem errors in dmesg18:01
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vi__Personally I would boot BM, export all partitions  and run fsck from an external 'nix box.18:18
r00t|eeepci haven't had any luck installing backupmenu since my last re-flash... it's unclear which version is the latest, if it works, and how it should work... the hardcoded "guru meditation" screen it shows on any error makes me want to beat up the author with a baseball bat with nails in it18:20
vi__geeze. trying to get answers about android is really tough.  For all they want to be 1337 computer geeks they dont seem to understand shit beyond appz and cpu corez.18:21
vi__The lates version of BM is the one in the dev repo.18:21
vi__you install BM from repo the reboot device with keyboard open.18:22
vi__guru meditation error is because wrong kernel or something.18:23
vi__Or maybe because you installed multiboot or something.18:23
r00t|eeepcNokia-N900:~# apt-get install --print-uris --yes --force-yes backupmenu18:24
r00t|eeepc'http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.12_armel.deb' bootmenu_1.12_armel.deb 12870 SHA256:756b2ef936ab180cc1e1c056e4bcd36796ece9f8e05f78cf663d56b7180e8c6818:24
r00t|eeepc'http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/b/backupmenu/backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb' backupmenu_1.2.0-2_all.deb 22192 SHA256:d2f3f55d65c6845d02a715743cae0ae16eea1a60b594c3dc3c23d00fabd4209918:25
r00t|eeepcthat one?18:25
SAiFi dont trust backupmenu at all. It once gave me a false beleif that my root is safe. What is the point of backing up, if you cannot restore.18:25
vi__SAiF: u wot18:25
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SAiFIts just my experience. you may have other18:25
vi__backup menu makes a tar of your file system.  what more do you want?18:25
r00t|eeepcthat's confusing about backupmenu imho... it gives the impression if being some kind of failsafe boot option... while it really just sits in userspace on the root partition... which i found out the hard way18:26
vi__you have to fck up pretty bad to not even have BM menu booting.18:27
vi__also, where else do you expect it to sit?18:27
SAiFit booted BM, but couldnt restore.18:27
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vi__I have no idea why your specific circumstances fckd up.  FOr EVERY OTHER USER it works fine.18:28
r00t|eeepcvi__: the expectation you have from using similar tools on PCs is that it's outside of the normal rootfs, so you can boot it even if that's completely broken18:28
thedead1440vi__: i think its because with BM you need to have the same kernel on both devices otherwise while restoring you get a screwed up result...18:29
vi__thedead1440: obviously.18:29
SAiFmaybe I will try it again later if needed. lot later18:29
vi__BM has gotten me out of so much sht.18:30
vi__I even donated robbiethethiest a pizza.18:30
SAiF:)18:30
SAiFrobbiethe1st :)18:30
vi__freemangordon: hey, FMG.  how are things? Did you ever get anywhere with compcache?18:31
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freemangordonvi__: nope :(18:32
freemangordonvi__: BTW hi!!!18:32
SAiFhi.18:32
freemangordonvi__: where you've been man?18:32
freemangordonlong time no see18:33
thedead1440vi__: not obvious to many users (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1356738&postcount=1242) though :D18:33
r00t|eeepcinstalled backupmenu and it works, fsck -f says home/opt is fine18:34
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r00t|eeepccan anything be done about root anyway, with it being ubifs?18:35
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vi__freemangordon: well let me see.  The last we spoke was around 6 months ago?  So that is like 50 years in internet time.  I got a new job, I have been rather busy since then.18:38
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vi__I do not really have the time to fiddle with computers any more.18:39
freemangordonvi__: a better job? no more UI?18:40
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vi__Yeah.  No more UI.  Fsck that place.18:40
vi__I am now an analogue engineer.18:40
vi__I have no idea what I am doing :/18:40
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vi__analogue electronics that is.18:41
freemangordonvi__: wait, that should be sweet! OP amps, etc :)18:41
vi__But the new place is great.  The people here are really good to get aliong with.18:41
vi__op amps...yay18:41
vi__XD18:41
vi__My new company makes the highest density micro LCD screens available.18:42
vi__They fit QXGA resolution onto a 25mm^2 panel.18:43
freemangordonsounds nice18:43
vi__is there anything left that you have not thumbified?18:44
freemangordonyep18:45
freemangordona lots of things TBH18:46
freemangordonI am very short on tme for the last 2-3 months, so the progress is small18:46
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vi__so how long till you have reverse engineered the powervr driver?18:49
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DocScrutinizer05r00t|eeepc: bugfix: apply patch to your expectations, RTFM19:10
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r00t^homeDocScrutinizer05: fix for what part is that?19:28
r00t^hometo the UI not working?19:28
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r00t^home*for19:31
r00t^homewhere is the FM to read on how to debug the maemo ui?19:32
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DocScrutinizer05r00t^home: that's the fix for BM19:40
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r00t^homeok, will apply patch... that was not the primary problem anyway...19:44
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r00t^homei found the problem20:22
r00t^homeby running strace on hildon-desktop...20:23
r00t^homeit ended up in an infinite loop of:20:23
r00t^home[pid 26208] symlink("/var/tmp/pulse-WS4d41Zg6kvz", "/home/user/.pulse/fbd5d27658d3fcf30cb25bf800531799:runtime.tmp") = -1 EEXIST (File exists)20:23
r00t^home[pid 26208] rmdir("/var/tmp/pulse-WS4d41Zg6kvz") = 020:23
r00t^home[pid 26208] nanosleep({0, 10000000}, NULL) = 020:23
r00t^homeremoving the stale symlink fixed it20:23
r00t^homeyay for not re-flashing20:23
r00t^homewhere do i file the bug-report?20:23
DocScrutinizer05pulseaudio, WHAT ELSE :-S20:24
DocScrutinizer05dang PA, kill the author20:25
DocScrutinizer05hint: first name Lennart20:25
r00t^homeeven if it was a bug in pulseaudio, a workaround would be in order20:27
DocScrutinizer05sure20:27
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r00t^homereally silly to make the device unusable with a stale sylink20:27
DocScrutinizer05pester pali, he recently messed around with PA20:27
DocScrutinizer05and yes, an endless loop that's not even trying to fix or escape from an error like this is pretty braindamaged20:28
r00t^homethe loop is a little longer, but it only tries different link targets, never noticing that the stale link at the source location is the problem20:30
DocScrutinizer05r00t^home: thanks for tracking and shooting down that bug20:30
r00t^homethanks for not helping :P20:30
DocScrutinizer05meh20:31
DocScrutinizer05take your sarcasm elsewhere please!20:31
DocScrutinizer05I'm not obliged to help at all, on anything in here20:32
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r00t^homeenjoy: http://pastebin.com/he2Zf97H20:33
r00t^home"enjoy" as in, forward to whoever might care20:34
freemangordonmaybe file a bug on BMO?20:35
r00t^homedoes that use the same non-working account management as the wiki (where i could never create an account in the last year(s))?20:36
r00t^homeseems not20:36
freemangordonr00t^home: open the bug against CSSU20:37
freemangordonthat way it has a chance to be fixed20:37
DocScrutinizer05I can't see why account creation was not possible20:37
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DocScrutinizer05I honestly think "bugfixes" like the PA one should get rolled back. When they create 10 new bugs while nobody even knows what they are supposed to fix20:42
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r00t^home<DocScrutinizer05> pester pali, he recently messed around with PA20:43
DocScrutinizer05so what?20:44
r00t^homePali: http://pastebin.com/he2Zf97H20:44
r00t^homejust doing as you suggested20:44
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Palino idea20:48
r00t^homethe code ends up in an infinite loop trying to create a symlink over an existing stale link (if not obvious)20:49
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ruskiehttp://aseigo.blogspot.com/2013/11/introducing-improv.html20:50
DocScrutinizer05errr20:53
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r00t^homeenjoy: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1271521:10
povbotBug 12715: hildon-desktop hangs on starting applications (due to stale pulseaudio symlink)21:10
DocScrutinizer05thanks21:14
r00t^homei wonder if it's even worth fixing... the more imorantant parts are a) still being able to access the device (via ssh for me, with ssh and the network connection starting automatically) and b) knowing where to look for the problem, which took some poking around21:17
r00t^homeactually i suspect that the same bug was the cause for a previous problem i solved by reflashing... where it would hang when loading widgets on startup (that also happened on some restarts this time)21:18
r00t^home*important21:19
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Sysaxedhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Turn_mute_on_.28N900.2922:25
Sysaxedwhat is the difference between Turn mute on and Set Silent?22:25
r00t^homei would _guess_ that mute mutes the microphone and silent mutes the speaker?22:26
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DocScrutinizer05I would _guess_ that mute is what you get when turning device face-down while ringing23:15
DocScrutinizer05while silent is a profile23:15
DocScrutinizer05or it's a fake, see23:17
DocScrutinizer05>>(These loudspeaker ones don't work on my N900. If I add --print-reply I get "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller was not provided by any .service files".)<<23:17
DocScrutinizer05also possible that com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller service is only existing during playback of ringtones, or during voice calls, or whatever23:19
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Sysaxedhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#End_current_phone_call what is the difference between release, end and reject?23:27
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