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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: small arrow at right side was all that been clickable for me06:15
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dima`My N900 (running the latest community ssu) developed an odd issue: the ringtone reverts to the default on boot, and unpredictably can be either wrong, or even silent. Applies to the SMS beep too. Anybody have any idea what's wrong or how to address it? I'm running the most recent packages, and haven't really messed with the configuration.06:21
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DocScrutinizer05dima`: strange07:12
DocScrutinizer05all the signal tones live in your homedir, somwhere in or next to /home/user/.local/share/sounds/Message1.aac.wav07:15
DocScrutinizer05on boot the only thing I could think of that might cause such effects is ext3 jounal playback and fsck07:16
DocScrutinizer05both related to irregular shutdown07:17
dima`DocScrutinizer05: ok.. This has been happening for a few months, and is consistently broken07:18
dima`DocScrutinizer05: I should fsck?07:19
dima`DocScrutinizer05: If I go into the settings, it knows about the correct ringtone. If I re-select it and 'save', then it fixes it for a bit. Next boot it's broken again, and often it break later on even without reboot07:20
dima`Actually, now that I think about it, more like 6 months. Nobody imnportant calls me, but I do miss calls all the time now as a result of this (sometimes the "wrong" ringtone is just silence)07:22
DocScrutinizer05setting is irrelevant07:26
DocScrutinizer05it about the content of /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ that's relevant07:26
DocScrutinizer05and I never heard of such effect unless caller-ringtone has been installed07:27
dima`Hmmm. I'm not doing that. It's more or less stock cssu07:29
DocScrutinizer05it's a really nifty program, alas it has to fight uphill against the closed-source dialer, thus it's fragile and can cause the symptoms you described07:29
DocScrutinizer05then all I know to suggest is a07:29
dima`The ringtone file itself is fine, as far as I can tell.07:29
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /home/user/.local/share/sounds/07:29
DocScrutinizer05and see what's wrong in there07:30
dima`the ls looks fine. Are you thinking the .wav is corrupt or something of that nature?07:30
DocScrutinizer05and ask Pali what happened to PA and the lib that plays the ringtones07:30
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dima`They are all .aac.wav...07:31
dima`ok. Where do I find this Pali?07:31
DocScrutinizer05well, aiui the dialer-UI is triggering ringtoned to playback *one* particular file in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/07:31
DocScrutinizer05~seen pali07:32
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7h 27m 51s ago, saying: 'do not know'.07:32
dima`good to know!07:32
DocScrutinizer05though he's in here too when online07:32
dima`do you know if there's some sort of log I can enable?07:32
DocScrutinizer05err, possibly there is actually some sort of log, but I don't know exactly where and how to enable it07:33
DocScrutinizer05somewhere around csd plugins maybe07:34
DocScrutinizer05but that's not a helping info for you07:34
DocScrutinizer05so nevermind07:34
dima`I'll poke around; thanks07:34
DocScrutinizer05just check your /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ content as soon as problems arise07:34
dima`I'll look into stracing the process in question07:35
DocScrutinizer05compare it do the situation before the problem comes up07:35
DocScrutinizer05that's the probkem, there are quite a number of such processes involved into ringtone playback07:35
dima`ok. will do. It may be at a higher level, since I THINK (not 100% sure) that when it's erroneously silent, the buzzer doesn't go  off either07:35
dima`sigh. ok07:36
dima`unrelatedly, are you the neo900 guy?07:36
DocScrutinizer05err jep07:36
dima`ok. Thanks for taking that on. Looking forward to it07:37
DocScrutinizer05anyway, ALL ringtones should live in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/, nowhere else07:37
DocScrutinizer05and the rintoned or whatever process gets the name of the *.*.wav file to play for ringtone form gconf07:38
DocScrutinizer05the only case when afaik a ringtone not in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ gets played back is default standard nokia tune that lives somewhere in /usr/share or whatever and gets played back when the /home/user/.local/share/sounds/* ones are not accessible07:40
dima`Just ran some tests. No ringtone or buzzer. At all. Rebooting...07:40
DocScrutinizer05so it might be your eMMC starting to fail, which should show up in IO errors in syslog07:41
dima`DocScrutinizer05: That's really helpful!07:41
dima`when it's wrong, it's the default07:41
dima`oddly, I can always go to the settings, and it can see all the ringtones and play them just fine07:41
dima`but this is a good lead07:41
DocScrutinizer05settings are a lie, it#s just displaying what's in gconf07:42
dima`but I can select a ringtone in the settings, and it plays fine. So at least in that moment the eMMC has the data and it's accessible07:42
DocScrutinizer05it's still a lie07:43
dima`This is maybe related: when booting about half the time it forgets the date, and 12/24 hour setting; things like that07:43
DocScrutinizer05those are the original sound files that can live anywhere, not the ones in /home/user/.local/share/sounds/07:43
dima`the eMMC is the smaller, faster flash, not the large 32GBone?07:43
DocScrutinizer05only when *setting* a ringtone it gets copied and converted to /home/user/.local/share/sounds/<ringtone.mp3>.wav07:44
DocScrutinizer05nah, it's the 32G one07:44
DocScrutinizer05and /home is on that07:44
dima`if it's the same physical file system, why copy the file?07:44
DocScrutinizer05because it gets converted to .wav07:45
DocScrutinizer05and your original file might as well live on uSD07:45
dima`ok. makes sense07:45
DocScrutinizer05check your syslog07:47
DocScrutinizer05for IO-errors related to eMMC07:47
DocScrutinizer05and check /home/user/.local/share/sounds/ frequently07:48
dima`ok. it looks fine right now, but I'm looking.07:48
dima`thanks again07:48
DocScrutinizer05dima`: you could use dbus-momitor, but I doubt it will show any *errors*07:59
DocScrutinizer05monitor even07:59
DocScrutinizer05for an inbound call dbus-monitor will spit about 500 lines of messages08:00
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if wireshark has a dissector for dbus protocols08:01
DocScrutinizer05analyzing dbus is about as funny as analyzing raw data on a ethernet cable08:02
dima`DocScrutinizer05: I'm playing with it. It's maddeningly inconsistent. inotify says something is always reading the correct ringtone08:03
DocScrutinizer05all the time?08:03
dima`DocScrutinizer05: Sometimes the wrong one plays, though. Now it's silent again, and I may have to reboot to get any noise08:04
dima`something like half the time08:04
dima`until it's silent08:04
dima`looks like once it's silent, it stays that way until reboot. I THINK08:04
dima`lsof? looking for what?08:04
DocScrutinizer05looking for the process that keeps reading that ringtone file08:04
dima`If I time it just right :)08:05
DocScrutinizer05it's not normal that it is reading all the time08:05
dima`so it always OPENS the correct file08:05
dima`but it doesn't always READ it08:05
dima`I need to find the right process and strace it08:05
DocScrutinizer05try ringtoned08:06
DocScrutinizer05wild guessing08:06
DocScrutinizer05though in the end it will be mafw08:06
dima`don't have ringtoned08:06
dima`there are some mafw things08:06
dima`let's see08:06
dima`(stap could answer this definitively, but getting that running is too much trouble008:07
dima`there're several mafw-dbus-wrapper processes and a mafw-playlist-daemon08:08
dima`aaand it's none of thsoe08:08
DocScrutinizer05sorry, have to leave08:10
dima`it's ok. You've been very helpful. Thanks08:10
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dima`Maybe this is a known issue:
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IlmatarI was trying to install CSSU and lost my wlan half way through and it deleted all my repositories09:06
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infobotmultiboot is probably, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot11:31
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Win7MacHi! anybody knows what this "Announcement" thread from andrewfblack is? - It seems to be in no subforum and I can't click it...16:12
Win7Mac...on tmo16:12
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sixwheeledbeastWin7Mac: see backscroll if possible I asked the same ~12hrs ago. :)16:19
Win7Macah ok, thanks sixwheeledbeast16:22
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thedead1440Win7Mac & sixwheeledbeast: I suspect since andrewfblack was online yesterday (see last activity) and he is a super mod, he must have screwed something up :D18:53
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thedead1440chem|st_: kindly fix the blank announcement thread in the new posts section18:53
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SpeedEvilhttp:// - bitcoin silliness. And 'oh why diddn't I'19:01
sixwheeledbeastI agree,19:07
sixwheeledbeastwas on HIGNFY a few weeks ago19:07
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DocScrutinizer05please don't use IP addresses19:29
DocScrutinizer05this flaw persists even into posting new posts and breaks stuff19:30
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DocScrutinizer05213.128.137.28 == talk.maemo.org19:31
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DocScrutinizer05and it also ruins google tmo hits19:34
DocScrutinizer05thus spreading the flaw even further19:34
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mashinaso they ported mathematica to raspberry pi19:52
mashinawant to try this on my N900...19:52
SpeedEvilFail - I diddn't notice that, sorry19:54
Wizzupwasn't mathematica mostly written in x86 asm?19:54
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freemangordonsweet :)20:07
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DefiantDocScrutinizer05: does that mean you won't wait for the 31. Dec for all preorders?20:26
DocScrutinizer05err, nope, that doesn't mean anything yet20:27
DocScrutinizer05and we definitely won't stop taking preorders befoer 2014-01-0120:27
Defiantthanks. Cause I havn't donated yet :)20:28
DocScrutinizer05but we might shortly after, depending on how our sourcing pans out20:28
DocScrutinizer05I hope for dos1 to publish a few FAQ augments today, one of them answering questions regarding timeline and why we need preorders to count our customer base20:29
DocScrutinizer05"will this work in USA" another FAQ that's missing an answer yet20:29
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dima`Pali: my n900 plays the wrong ringtone about half the time. DocScrutinizer suggested that you may be a good person to ask for debugging help. Symptom is that some of the time it plays the right ringtone, some of the time the default nokia one, and some of the time no ringtone at all. It's unpredictable as far as I can tell. This is a more or less stock n900 with cssu. I'm not using the tool to use different ringtones for each contact21:45
freemangordondima`: will be fixed in the next cssu-testing update21:46
dima`freemangordon: so this is a known issue, then?21:46
dima`is there a bug report somewhere? I'm curious21:47
freemangordonon TMO, in cssu-testing thread21:47
Paliin TMO thread it is reported21:47
dima`looking. thanks21:47
PaliI belive that this problem is really fixed in prepared cssu-t update21:47
freemangordonPali: it is in cssu-thumb sicne you pushed on gitorious21:48
freemangordonno problem reports so far21:48
Palinobody reported problem?21:48
dima`Is the known issue both reverting the the default ringtone AND not ringing at all sometimes?21:50
dima`(reading the thread right now. it's not brief)21:51
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freemangordonandroid_808: hi! re - what is your scratchbox version?22:06
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freemangordonbecause embedlite-components fails to build in hathor, you need to downgrade to aphophis22:06
android_808freemangordon: i think i may have hathor :( I'll check, just starting VM22:07
freemangordonandroid_808: or maybe pull the latest version from github22:07
freemangordonit has relaxed debhelper version to 5, that one might help22:07
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android_808pulled it earlier from before posting that in case I'd screwed something22:08
zamn900does anyone know about smsconeditor very well?22:08
zamn900such as ssh reverse?22:09
freemangordonandroid_808: try to git clean -df first22:09
freemangordonusually there are remnants from the previous builds22:09
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android_808freemangordon: I used rm -rf first. There definately shouldn't be anything lefy22:10
freemangordonoh, ok :)22:10
freemangordonandroid_808: Once I succeeded to make it build in hathor, but I had to play alot with and Makefile.am22:11
freemangordonso IMO it is easier to just downgrade to aphophis22:12
zamn900maybe the conf file of smscon...22:12
android_808freemangordon: Makefiles etc. really not my specialty as you probably guessed.  How do I know if its hathor? sb-conf version states 1.0.2722:12
freemangordonyep, that's hathor22:13
freemangordon1.0.17 here22:13
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android_808can I just downgrade with apt-get (debian 7 host)?22:14
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freemangordonhmm, not sure what will happen to targets, maybe you should reconfigure them afterwards to use debian-etch tools22:15
freemangordonor debian-squeeze (I always forget which is the older one :) )22:15
android_808was gonna say, there on etch already I think22:15
freemangordonyou should use the older of both22:16
zamn900smscon is difficult to edit22:16
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freemangordonandroid_808: BTW pull qtmozembed, there are some fixes22:18
zamn900it has smsconeditor but I can't edit the reverse ssh password22:18
DocScrutinizer05ssh passwords are in ~/.ssh/22:19
freemangordonandroid_808: BTW on what exactly do you want to work on? (embedlite)22:19
DocScrutinizer05err sorry, nope22:20
freemangordonandroid_808: as the qml UI is unusable on fremantle22:20
DocScrutinizer05passwords are in /etc/passwd22:20
zamn900DocScrutinizer05, it's about smscon reverse ssh22:20
android_808freemangordon: was gonna see about replacing qml22:20
DocScrutinizer05so what?22:20
DocScrutinizer05still a ssh, no?22:20
zamn900I can't access22:20
DocScrutinizer05man ssh22:21
freemangordonandroid_808: ok. but you don;t need to build xulrunner and embedlite-components by yourself in order to do that22:21
freemangordonandroid_808: I can give you a sample QT application that inits gecko and plays a video22:22
freemangordonthe same one qwazix was going to use22:22
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android_808freemangordon: Want to be able to build in case I need extend thier functionality or strip out unused elements22:29
freemangordonandroid_808: sure, but that is not a prerequisite to work on the UI ;)22:30
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android_808freemangordon: sure, but now I know theres an issue with building it its gonna bug me to hell22:31
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freemangordonah, ok :)22:36
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zamn900ok solved...22:44
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android_808freemangordon: reading maemo5 sdk page on wiki, everything refers to hathor? Is it worth changing some of that22:56
freemangordonandroid_808: NFC who changed that as MAemo5 SDK VMWare image comes with aphophis, so I guess aphophis is what could be considered "official" SB version22:57
freemangordonandroid_808: but afaik hathor works most of the time either22:58
android_808I may have used gui install, can't remember. contains hathor as well22:59
freemangordonandroid_808: yes, but my point is that Nokia build the oficial SDK using aphophis23:00
freemangordonandroid_808: also, says:23:00
freemangordonsb-conf st FREMANTLE_ARMEL_GCC472 -c linaro-4.7-2012.07-fremantle-armv7a -d qemu:perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t qemu-arm-sb23:01
freemangordondebian-etch comes with aphopis. I guess, as that is what I have in my SB23:02
android_808both come with it.  scratchbox-devkit-debian and scratchbox-devkit-debian-squeeze.23:04
freemangordonandroid_808: hmm, are you sure you can install scratchbox-devkit-debian in hathor?23:06
android_808freemangordon: err, bit late to ask :)23:08
android_808freemangordon: there IS a package for it, I just ripped out hathor for apophis, and reinstalled devkits in sb target23:09
freemangordondoes it work now?23:10
android_808built ok first time23:10
freemangordonas my version of  scratchbox-devkit-debian is 1.0.1023:10
android_808makes me wonder if it would work with hathor and scratchbox-devkit-debian though23:11
android_808there are still some issues, doesn't umount binfmt_misc cleanly at the moment23:14
freemangordonandroid_808: do you want me to give you that test Qt UI?23:15
android_808freemangordon: yes please23:15
freemangordonandroid_808: ok23:16
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android_808freemangordon: hathor version of scratchbox-devkit-debian contains etch & sarge, apophis contains etch, sarge and lenny23:20
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android_808but fails to build23:22
android_808thought I'd test it just in case23:22
freemangordonandroid_808: embedlite-components?23:22
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android_808freemangordon: Embedlite-components goes back to Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined errors if using hathor with etch.  Think tomorrow I'll wipe out scratchbox/VM and start fresh, unless I can track down mount error.23:31
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freemangordonandroid_808: be very cautios when removing scratchbox, you can have your system unbootable if you make a mistake23:38
android_808freemangordon: if it is running IIRC23:39
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android_808i removed it to downgrade23:39
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