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| Gear_ | hey, is there a frontend for some bluetooth cracking software? | 05:42 |
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| Gear_ | hey, can someone tell me of a bluetooth "hacking" tool | 06:01 |
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| Gear_ | hello | 06:24 |
| Gear_ | i'm looking for a bluetooth sniffer for messing around wih my other phones | 06:25 |
| Gear_ | especially my other n900 | 06:26 |
| Gear_ | but mainly a pile of reasonably crap phones that i don't use | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we hear you | 06:43 |
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| Gear_ | and you're ignoring the question why | 07:00 |
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| Gear_ | there is command lines stuff bu is there any frontend things? | 07:01 |
| Gear_ | apart from the whole pwnphone image on one of my phones, but that isn't bvery good and chews the battery before you can really get anything one | 07:02 |
| Gear_ | burns though battery for some reason even with packet injection and evertthing off. the frontends are a mix of html and god knows what, i haven't used it much because it | 07:03 |
| Gear_ | sucks a bit. | 07:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | To understand security is best to first understand the underlying measures. Installing this and asking that isn't necessarily going to help you when you don't understand the fundamentals. | 08:14 |
| psycho_oreos | In the first few questions that you have asked, I can clearly see your lack of understanding behind the process. It seems like you are looking for some easy tool to do your bidding, frankly things doesn't work that way. | 08:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 10:28 |
| infobot | question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy | 10:28 |
| infobot | hmm... xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. | 10:28 |
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| LowMemory | ~bofh | 11:01 |
| infobot | somebody said bofh was Bastard Operator From Hell - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ | 11:01 |
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| keb | hello | 12:07 |
| keb | anyone can help me out a bit with rescue os usage? i'd need it to charge my battery | 12:07 |
| keb | but the "flasheing" command on the wiki gives me error with missing file or directory an i have no clue what i should change in the command to make it work | 12:09 |
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| keb | anyone even here? -.- | 12:16 |
| merlin1991 | keb: paste what command you used and an ls where you ran it | 12:16 |
| keb | flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" | 12:16 |
| keb | command from wiki page, and i ran it from my download foldar the last time, where rescue os img is stored | 12:17 |
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| merlin1991 | do you have a kernel file called 2.6.37 in the directory? | 12:17 |
| merlin1991 | because -k $PATH tells flasher which kernel to load | 12:18 |
| keb | wiki did not say i have to download it, its a bit unclear | 12:18 |
| keb | from what i read there is 2 way to boot it, one from tarball and another way from img file | 12:18 |
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| keb | did i read it wrong? anyways the link leading to kernel file is dead | 12:20 |
| merlin1991 | http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ is the current location of the stuff | 12:20 |
| merlin1991 | you do need the 2.6.37 in any case | 12:21 |
| keb | thx i seem to be in rescue os | 12:22 |
| merlin1991 | but just get 2.6.37 and the rescueOS-1.1.img from the link above and load those with flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n rescueOS-1.1.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" | 12:23 |
| keb | yep, i already ran the battery charging script, thx for help :) | 12:25 |
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| keb | i hope it isn' dead ... yday it was showing 30% or so and today it looked dead and was in bootloop getting only to nokia logo | 12:27 |
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| kerio | bootlooping with an empty battery is the bane of a n900's existance :c | 13:13 |
| keb | yep... i really hope it will work, i just wish i know when the phone is ready for a normal boot again... i guess i'll let rescueOS charge it for a few hours | 13:14 |
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| kerio | are you sure the battery was too low to reflash? | 13:16 |
| keb | i dont want to reflash | 13:17 |
| kerio | oh! | 13:17 |
| kerio | why not? | 13:17 |
| kerio | reflash and then unpack a backup | 13:17 |
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| keb | it turned off during the night and even on charger it was in bootloop | 13:17 |
| kerio | because you DO have full backups right | 13:17 |
| keb | nop, but even if i have to reflash its not really an issue, i'll just set it up again | 13:18 |
| kerio | i thought so too | 13:19 |
| kerio | i decided to reflash and set up everything again instead of restoring | 13:19 |
| kerio | i tapped the screen, went "what the fuck, this is not my vibration pattern, fuck this" | 13:19 |
| kerio | and restored the backup | 13:19 |
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| kerio | because really, fuck this | 13:19 |
| vi__ | mmm | 13:19 |
| vi__ | Perhaps i should make a backup | 13:19 |
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| keb | i'll do that as well if i get it to work again.... but i may need to buy another battery maybe, its still on level zero, voltage keeps increasing and decreasing around 3700 | 13:21 |
| kerio | >increasing and decreasing | 13:21 |
| kerio | the fuck | 13:21 |
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| vi__ | Just brute force the battery. | 13:22 |
| keb | it was around 3600 when i started, and i have seen it on 3766 as well | 13:22 |
| vi__ | Hook it up to a bench supply at 4V and limit the current to 0.1A. | 13:22 |
| keb | if i had one | 13:22 |
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| kerio | Reported Voltage (VOLT): 4025 mV | 13:23 |
| keb | i tried to boost it directly with a blanked usb cable trough pc but it didnot woirk either. once i rescued my mb526 that way but N900 wont start like that | 13:23 |
| kerio | ^healthy battery, almost full | 13:23 |
| kerio | keb: you're using the wallcharger i hope | 13:24 |
| kerio | charge21.bash on rescueOS will draw something like 950mA | 13:24 |
| kerio | and bad USB hubs will just die | 13:24 |
| keb | can't now, its on rescueOS, plugged to pc | 13:24 |
| kerio | ? | 13:24 |
| kerio | once it's loaded, the PC doesn't have to do shit | 13:24 |
| keb | or can i remove it from pc and put on charger? | 13:25 |
| keb | ah, cool... its not in description either | 13:25 |
| keb | replugged it to charger, i hope it wont stop charging like this | 13:26 |
| kerio | the script is still running right? | 13:27 |
| kerio | what's the current? | 13:27 |
| keb | yep, and showing decreasing voltage | 13:27 |
| keb | its not good i guess | 13:27 |
| keb | on one line it showed charge done | 13:27 |
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| keb | restarted the whole procedure, started charging script on wall charger, thank you, i hope it will work | 13:34 |
| keb | its really a difference, voltage, NAC (ik whats that tough), level are already increasing | 13:35 |
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| keb | hm.. i waited it to charge to 20% and tried to boot up, but still in bootloop, i guess i'll try a reflash | 15:38 |
| keb | the funny thing is, in recoveryOS my hardvare keyboard backlight is working, and normally it did not. no clue why | 15:39 |
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| keb | weird, i put it back on charge script and its decreasing from 100% | 15:44 |
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| SAiF | somebody tell me which shell are you using? on maemo, sh, bash, or ash? or busybox!? | 16:15 |
| vi__ | ash is the busybox shell. | 16:16 |
| SAiF | yep, | 16:16 |
| SAiF | its the default one right? | 16:16 |
| vi__ | it is mostly compatible with sh. | 16:16 |
| vi__ | yes | 16:16 |
| SAiF | good. | 16:16 |
| vi__ | you can install bash from the repos if you wish. | 16:16 |
| SAiF | bash4 | 16:16 |
| SAiF | I installed bash 4 | 16:17 |
| vi__ | Unless you are doing some hardcore scripting, it will not really matter to you. | 16:17 |
| SAiF | it matter because I am learning | 16:17 |
| SAiF | I wass looking at the less command. | 16:18 |
| vi__ | In my opinion the limitations of the default maemo shell environment are due to the lack of real gnu tools. | 16:18 |
| vi__ | Less is a program. | 16:19 |
| vi__ | That is run through sh. | 16:19 |
| SAiF | so what is the alternative in.. | 16:19 |
| SAiF | yep | 16:19 |
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| vi__ | There is the busybox less. Which might have the features you need or there MIGHT be a 'real' less in the repos. | 16:21 |
| warfare | you could even try more. | 16:22 |
| vi__ | Alternatively, the debian squeeze armel binary might work. | 16:22 |
| keb | what happened if i cant flash my n900? i plug it in holding down "u" key, then flasher recognisez it, and again i can see no suitable device | 16:22 |
| vi__ | Alternatively you could use easy debian. | 16:22 |
| vi__ | Alternatively you could install busybox-power. | 16:22 |
| vi__ | keb: is this some kind of question? | 16:23 |
| keb | yes, today in the morning it was turned off, and i wasn't able to turn it on, it got into bootloop | 16:23 |
| keb | i charged it now for hours with rescueOS and now i want to flash it because it is still in bootloop | 16:24 |
| SAiF | thing is I am learning linx using maemo, currently my only linux device. When I follow different guides, it focuses on bash mostly. but, I dont have bash. just this ash. | 16:25 |
| vi__ | They are more or less the same. | 16:25 |
| vi__ | keb: start flasher, it says no device detected. unplug battery. plug in usb. hold u. plug in battery. | 16:26 |
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| SAiF | http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_lts0040.php I am using this, it shows a /proc folder which is permission denied in both root and user. and where is the /sys folder. its not listed. I know I am asking silly questions. | 16:28 |
| vi__ | Have you chosen a text editor yet? | 16:29 |
| SAiF | not yet. :) | 16:29 |
| keb | nokia logo flashes up with usb icon at upper right corner and thats it | 16:29 |
| vi__ | SAiF: choose one and learn it well. | 16:29 |
| vi__ | I of course recommend vi. | 16:30 |
| vi__ | It is the best. | 16:30 |
| SAiF | I ll go with the ash. | 16:30 |
| SAiF | I have seen vi, | 16:30 |
| vi__ | Anyone who says otherwise is a big fat liar. | 16:30 |
| SAiF | but when I get in , I canniot get out. | 16:30 |
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| SAiF | :) | 16:30 |
| vi__ | actually start of with nano or something. | 16:30 |
| SAiF | hm? | 16:30 |
| vi__ | nano is a text editor. | 16:30 |
| keb | led is not on either | 16:31 |
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| vi__ | What are you trying to do with /proc? | 16:34 |
| SAiF | keb, try flashing root first. | 16:34 |
| vi__ | you cannot read or write to it. | 16:34 |
| SAiF | nothing, just found familiar. | 16:35 |
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| vi__ | to view /proc/cpuinfo use cat or something | 16:35 |
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| SAiF | well thats good. | 16:35 |
| SAiF | so cat is to display.. | 16:36 |
| keb | it seems to work... i hope its not bricked | 16:38 |
| keb | cmt flashed succesfully | 16:38 |
| vi__ | actually cat is to conCATenate i.e. join some files. | 16:40 |
| vi__ | but it works just fine for showing the contents of a file quickly. | 16:40 |
| vi__ | You will find with scripting is where the true power of the n900 lies. | 16:41 |
| vi__ | You find you can make it do ANYTHING. | 16:41 |
| SAiF | :) | 16:42 |
| vi__ | check out this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60251 | 16:43 |
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| warfare | SAiF: Install ArchLinux in a VirtualBox if you want to learn Linux. | 16:44 |
| vi__ | Install gentoo, then you will no choice! | 16:44 |
| keb | thx SAiF, i succesfully booted it, any guess why emmc flash did not work? | 16:44 |
| vi__ | Install gentoo, then you will have no choice! | 16:44 |
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| joga | heh, when my gf was at student exchange in different timezone and asked me to do a wake-up call for her in the morning, I made a little scheduled script to call her number and put the speaker on so if I wake up I can talk a bit to her too, but I didn't :p she did though | 16:45 |
| vi__ | WHen you can script your n900 you suddenly realise that 10000 apps are now redundant. | 16:46 |
| joga | yeah | 16:46 |
| SAiF | bootlooping is an error with the root files system, and if root is not working fine, you cannot flash emmc. So the order for your case is flash root, flash emmc and then flash root again. | 16:46 |
| vi__ | Yes I can can make my phone wake me up at 0638 and tell me the time in Chinese voice then play a radio station. | 16:46 |
| vi__ | It is a 1 liner. | 16:46 |
| SAiF | I have a slackware 14 lying around :) | 16:46 |
| keb | i skipped emmc this time, but it should not cvause any trouble, right? atleast i have my documents | 16:47 |
| vi__ | You do not need to flash emmc. | 16:47 |
| keb | thx | 16:47 |
| vi__ | You know what is in emmc flash image? | 16:47 |
| vi__ | You know why it is ~300mb? | 16:47 |
| vi__ | because it is full of some bullshit mp3 and 2 videos. | 16:47 |
| keb | if i read it right it replaces the whole internal storage | 16:47 |
| SAiF | yes | 16:48 |
| vi__ | There is literally nothing of any value in emmc image. | 16:48 |
| vi__ | ... | 16:48 |
| vi__ | except maybe the partition table. | 16:48 |
| keb | i tought i might have some corrupted data in there thats why i attepted to do the emmc flash first | 16:48 |
| vi__ | After the first boot a bunch of stuff is copied to emmc /opt/. | 16:49 |
| joga | also ages ago I put a script that runs in the morning and checks if my net and server is ok and if they are, it doesn't do anything, but if something's wrong it gives me a popup message telling what, haven't needed to touch it in two years or so :p | 16:49 |
| joga | so before I leave home in the morning I can sort it out heh | 16:50 |
| vi__ | My alarm is a cron job. | 16:50 |
| vi__ | It puts phone in inline mode and connects to the net. | 16:50 |
| vi__ | It sets the volume to 0 then connects to an internet jazz radio station. | 16:51 |
| vi__ | Then over the course of the next 15 minutes it slowly increases the volume to maximum. | 16:51 |
| joga | heh | 16:51 |
| SAiF | thats good, I think you should share that script. | 16:52 |
| vi__ | I can share it without even touching the phone. | 16:53 |
| joga | goes to show how powerful having proper cli on a phone can be | 16:53 |
| vi__ | ssh in, cat to pastebin, share link. | 16:53 |
| SAiF | well vi__, | 16:54 |
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| SAiF | I use vnc to connect to n900, what is ssh, | 16:54 |
| vi__ | ssh is the collest thing ever. | 16:55 |
| vi__ | ^coolest. | 16:55 |
| SAiF | Heard it a lo but dont know it' | 16:55 |
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| SAiF | *lot | 16:55 |
| vi__ | When you understand what it is, a seperate session on a machine you start to see how balling the n900 is. | 16:55 |
| vi__ | http://pastebin.com/d0W3rvmk | 16:56 |
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| vi__ | It is just a shame the hardware is so old now. | 16:57 |
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| vi__ | And all the f***** closed blobs. | 16:58 |
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| SAiF | wait for Q2 Q3 of 2014 | 16:58 |
| keb | i am curious about the neo900 project | 16:59 |
| SAiF | http://neo900.org/ | 16:59 |
| vi__ | wtf happens in Q2 Q3 2014? | 16:59 |
| keb | even if the hardware i have read about there on the forums is not the most high end, it would be nice to see the system on a more powerful device | 17:00 |
| SAiF | neo900, if I am not misunderstood. | 17:00 |
| keb | yes | 17:01 |
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| keb | as much curious about it as about ubuntu touch... too bad it does not run well on my mb526 :) | 17:05 |
| vi__ | What we ned is someone to roll fremantle for the MTK chipset. | 17:08 |
| vi__ | That way we would have any number of cheap chinese devices compatible. | 17:08 |
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| vi__ | AcCtually just debian with hildon on top. | 17:10 |
| vi__ | There was one attempt at that. | 17:10 |
| vi__ | I think it was called cordia or something. | 17:10 |
| vi__ | I even donated some euros to help. | 17:10 |
| vi__ | bleeh | 17:10 |
| keb | not an easy job i guess | 17:11 |
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| SAiF | what is this symbol used for? % with an extra o on the bottom half. | 18:01 |
| SAiF | actually there are some strange symbols in the symbol section of xterminal, can any one introduce them for me? | 18:03 |
| bef0rd | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_mil | 18:03 |
| SAiF | % / 10. thats great. | 18:04 |
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| SAiF | what abt the others. I cant even search for those words as I dont know what its called. | 18:08 |
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| vi__ | I have not used that silly keyboard thing in years. | 18:12 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: http://www4.vmi.edu/faculty/squirejc//Research/IC_Datasheets/digital_cmos/Write%20Only%20Memory.pdf | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: terrible pun | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin students have too much spare time to do nonsense | 18:33 |
| vi__ | This was actually created by an annoyed engineer. | 18:34 |
| vi__ | It was actually published in signetics catalogue. | 18:34 |
| vi__ | In the 70's | 18:34 |
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| deepy | write-only memory? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: good we nowadays have emulations: /dev/null | 18:38 |
| SAiF | FINO.. hhaha | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | needs cleanout only once per year usually | 18:39 |
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| vi__ | alkaline battery is 1.5v under load. | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaline_battery#Voltage >>The average voltage under load depends on discharge and varies from 1.1 to 1.3 V<< | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | 0.8 lower bound, if you want to use all the energy stored in the battery | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | IIRC they had to issue a clarification that write-only memory was a joke, after they got contacted by several companies asking for pricing info and datasheets | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recoil of a poor prank. Asking for a quotation is the better prank | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet that employee didn't get a bonus payment for his brilliant idea | 19:28 |
| SAiF | goodnight(UGT) | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | If only I'd know of an effective dodge I could apply to all those friggin chinese suppliers that offer everything (component wise) just to explain to you "we don't have that, but wouldn't you need our acme crap chip instead?" | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | idiots | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasting their own as well as everybody else's time and energy, and ruining any serious search for components | 19:31 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: wait, why didn't they sell something? | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | because they had to produce and *test* a chip that complies with the datasheets | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | Our local industrial automation seller takes our order, the same day we get 1 thing out of 20 item order. "oh, those are out of stock" | 19:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's a datasheet for a write-only memory component :s | 19:33 |
| kerio | how much testing do you have to do | 19:33 |
| kerio | "ok, it does nothing, as intended" | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohshit, it actually *can* get read out | 19:33 |
| kerio | D: | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | input impedance: 0.1R | 19:34 |
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| ShadowJK | output impedance: max 10MR typ 2MR min 10R | 19:35 |
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| kerio | "goddammit bob, all you had to do was make a chip that does nothing, and it turns out that it does something!" | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, first they have to create *datasheets* for a chip that does nothing | 19:39 |
| kerio | ...isn't a write-only memory chip a chip that does nothing? | 19:40 |
| sono | hey now, it has to actually store data, or it's not to spec | 19:41 |
| sono | the fact that one cannot read it is irrelevant | 19:41 |
| sono | one might want to hack it up and read it anyway som day.. | 19:41 |
| kerio | oh no no | 19:41 |
| kerio | the datasheet guarantees the external interactions and the behaviour | 19:41 |
| sono | well, touche | 19:41 |
| kerio | chip internals have no guarantee | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, exactly such internal discussions would cost the company $$$$$ before they even could come up with a proper datasheet that their cistomers read and say "no thanks, not what we expected" | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | customers* | 19:44 |
| kerio | let's make a company to sell write-only memory chips | 19:44 |
| ShadowJK | write only write once | 19:46 |
| ShadowJK | (blast cap) | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you have any idea what it takes just to publish a datasheet? there are lawyers, engineers, business guys... and all have to do a proper job, just to publish a 2 sheet datasheet | 19:46 |
| kerio | yeah but think of the money we'll make | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you publish a datasheet that not a single component gets sold on, but you have sufficent trouble with it for a 50 man crew for a year | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | My whole week at work has been wasted on making ~5 signs | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | It gets painfully slow when everyone feels qualified to make decisions on the font, fontsize, and colours. | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is exactly what this dude did with that fake write-only-datasheet. I bet he must have been his boss' best guy | 19:50 |
| kerio | note to self: EEs don't have a sense of humour :c | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-21 18:36:14] <DocScrutinizer05> display connector still a problem. of course again 50 suppliers claim "MOQ:100, available, capacity:500000/week" and when you ask for quotation, they answer "that component is EOL, obsolete, and hardly ever asked for. Hard to find and *very* expensive" | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ is where my humour died | 19:57 |
| kerio | MOQ? | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | minimum order qty | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and then when you see your work of months succeeding or failing on a silly connector for ~20ct/piece... Hardly a laugh | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: re hunour: see last ยง in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1387990#post1387990 | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | humour* | 21:20 |
| kerio | yeah, yeah | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah you're right, we lack a certain sense for humour. We compensate with other kinds of humour and sarcasm | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we all live with a permanent requirement for absolute perfection. Sometimes we can't stand ourselves ;-) | 21:24 |
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