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DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: YW00:57
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jpinxsome time ago (years) I tried to install the wifi hotspot on my n900, but it needed a different kernel and that broke the camera. Have things improved now and can I get a wifi hotspot to work without causing other issues ?04:25
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DocScrutinizer05camera never broke, it just needed the cam drivers matching the kernel. That's still the same, and according drivers are available like they been back when05:04
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: btw, reflashed, seems to work05:04
DocScrutinizer05ooh, your corrupted fs?05:04
* Wizzup also just 3d printed a n900 stylus 05:04
WizzupDocScrutinizer05: yes05:04
Wizzupit is actually very decent05:05
Wizzupand nice red05:05
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05: ok - thanks - I'll come back to it when I can get it on wifi connection.  Updated just does not work on gprs ;)06:29
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DocScrutinizer05I actually think the cam question is #1 FAQ with powerkernel06:30
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05: is there a remedy for updating on a slow connection ? ;)06:51
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DocScrutinizer05umm, probably nothing that would change things fundamentally07:19
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DocScrutinizer05even with a fast connection HAM is slow, particularly when you got extras-devel enabled. And when you also got extras-testing enabled then you are in for a penalty of additional 5 min for the useless setting07:21
robbiethe1stUse apt-get.07:22
DocScrutinizer05actually you should never do a full update-all with extras-devel enabled07:22
DocScrutinizer05to do what?07:23
robbiethe1stfor updating, certainly.07:23
robbiethe1stfor installing, well, depends on how well you know what you're doing.07:23
DocScrutinizer05apt-get update might indeed be fast, compared to HAM, but I dunno if it really helps HAM to speed up07:24
jpinxrobbiethe1st: apparently I need a "power kernel" and some cam driver and then the wifihotspot pkg07:24
robbiethe1stkernel-power, right07:24
jpinxI run debian on my laptop, so apt-get is not unfamiliar to me07:25
robbiethe1stJust so you know: "apt-get update" to update; "apt-cache search *nAME*"07:25
robbiethe1stIn that case, it's the same. Most packages are fairly similar to Debian07:25
* jpinx ssh's into the n90007:25
robbiethe1stSeriously, it's why I love my own N900. I run Debian as well, and it's just... the same.07:26
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* jpinx forgot the IP numbers :( -- hang on07:27
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: apt-get doesn't work like expected on maemo07:27
DocScrutinizer05maemo packaging is not exactly debian standard07:27
robbiethe1stIt certainly *seems* to07:27
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's the problem07:28
robbiethe1st The only issue is that some packages are uninstallable; ones which came with the base install.07:28
DocScrutinizer05apt-get dist-upgrade however kills your system07:28
DocScrutinizer05and apt-get upgrade is also strongly deprecated07:29
robbiethe1st...It can kill your system on Debian, too, if you aren't careful about what packages will be uninstalled.07:29
jpinxactually apt-get is back in favour for dist-upgrade in debian07:30
robbiethe1stPersonally, I've had no issues. But then again, I'm familiar with dependency conflicts, checking what would get removed/installed before going onward07:30
robbiethe1stAnyway, off to bed.07:30
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jpinxhe abandoned me :(07:31
DocScrutinizer05the idea behind maemo packaging is that you update only ONE package: mp-fremantle-generic-pr07:33
DocScrutinizer05everything in your system basically is in this metapackage, and so all the other packages have no proper dependencies07:34
jpinxsheeeesh --  this really is a pita -- now I'm barred from pasting because my IP is listed in :(07:34
DocScrutinizer05an apt-get upgrade would likely install new versions of libs that are not compatible with the rest of the system07:35
jpinxI only wanted to do an update --  but it failed07:35
jpinxE: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
jpinxwhat's that all about ?07:36 is pretty fux0red07:36
DocScrutinizer05and I wouldn't feel surprised when Nokia simply shut it down07:37
jpinxHmmm -- what's the alternative for me ?07:38
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DocScrutinizer05but more likely it's just a temporary outage07:38
DocScrutinizer05well, no new packages there anyway, since >12 months07:38
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jpinxI'll try later ;)07:39
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DocScrutinizer05what are you trying to do?07:40
jpinxupdate and install kernel power, cam driver to fix it and wifi hotspot07:41
DocScrutinizer05all in extras-devel07:41
DocScrutinizer05err, wait07:41
DocScrutinizer05I think one tool is actually in base repo and kernel depends on it during installation07:42
DocScrutinizer05but maybe Pali fixed that already07:42
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, kp is
DocScrutinizer05iirc to fix camera you need to uninstall *all* camera apps and then install them again07:46
DocScrutinizer05since they might have a dependency to the obsolete kernel cam drivers07:46
DocScrutinizer05so first you need to remove all apps that "fix" the old driver in system. With last app to uninstall the old driver vanishes and on installing apps the new driver gets installed07:47
DocScrutinizer05probably dpkg -i is a better or at least faster method, since it doesn't care about dependencies07:48
DocScrutinizer05so you simply brute-force-update the driver and done07:48
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jpinxbut with no apt-get update available --  how to proceed ?08:04
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: How should I install Pali’s test kernel build from ?09:49
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Pali is not here so I cannot ask him (her?).09:58
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: Never mind, I found the answer in one of my previous conversations with Pali on . ☺10:57
brolin_empeyPali: I just now finally installed your test/prerelease kernel build from .11:00
brolin_empeyPali: Now I need to test the updated asix.ko + dm9601.ko device drivers.11:01
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Gatta_Negrahello all :D11:32
brolin_empeyPali: I have success with asix.ko + my D-Link DUB-E100 hardware version C1 and dm9601.ko + the Ethernet port of the opaque white plastic “1 Port USB Network with 3 Port USB HUB” I bought from eBay.  I do not have success with dm9601.ko + the translucent blue plastic JP108-A I likely bought from eBay because no eth?/ethn network interface is created.11:39
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brolin_empeyPali: Hmm, now I /do/ have success with dm9601.ko + the translucent blue plastic JP108-A I likely bought from eBay.11:51
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android_808merlin1991: did you receive my request via pkg interface for maintainer on mussorgsky, rtmpdump and get_iplayer?13:34
merlin1991nope, the system does not notify me, I have to check the queue by hand :D13:35
merlin1991android_808: did you try contacting the original maintainers?13:40
android_808I tried contacting ifade for mussorgsky last sunday/monday, no reply.13:42
android_808Checked activity on TMO for others.  RIP's Last Activity on TMO: 09-08-11 03:40 PM, arajantie 01-16-13 10:34 AM but package never been updated13:43
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merlin1991give it a few more days, if you've got no reply by sunday I'll happily make you maintainer13:44
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android_808thanks.  Just didn't want mussorgsky getting lost in TMO as it's had quite a few posts about extras version no working anymore.13:48
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android_808freemangordon: if I ctrl+c during a pkg build, will it later resume where it left off with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -nc.  Gecko taking forever on js/src/jit/*14:31
freemangordonandroid_808: you need good HW (at least 4 cores and 4GB of ram) to build gecko in sane time14:33
merlin1991and no dpkg-buildpackage alwayse starts with make disclean so nope it does not resume14:33
freemangordonmerlin1991: -nc comes from "do Not Clean", so yes, it continues from where it was interrupted14:34
* merlin1991 remembered something differently14:35
freemangordonthis is what I use when I test some small changes in gecko14:35
merlin1991ah crap I mixed it up with -uc14:35
freemangordonunsigned changes :P14:35
freemangordonmerlin1991: while you are here - what about a new -T update?14:36
android_8084 cores - check. Sane ammount of RAM - nope. Host is in need of replacement (2GB), VM running with ...384mb14:36
freemangordonandroid_808: oh, forget about that, I guess it swaps like mad14:36
android_808ooohh yeah. :D14:37
freemangordonandroid_808: unless you want buildtimes in range of 6-10 hours :P14:37
android_808luckily its not using hosts system disk.14:37
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freemangordonGatta_Negra: hi, how's backcover sensor resoldering going on?14:40
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android_808freemangordon: kinda got used to doing long builds. Once built several Gentoo and LFS images and a LFS/Debian patched to be all i686 compiled using 1.1ghz Duron with 384mb PC133 SDRAM with colinux. 12 hour glibc.14:43
freemangordonoh man, what a patience :D14:44
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Gatta_Negrafreemangordon, no one tried yet15:24
Gatta_Negrai hope if I succeed in installing Android i will not have the sensor issue15:25
Gatta_Negrai believe it is maemo only issue15:25
Gatta_Negraif i can install linux or android without the scard i mean15:25
Gatta_Negraor if patches that kernel *wink*15:25
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freemangordonGatta_Negra: I doubt android will help you much16:22
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Gatta_Negrafreemangordon_, I think if it is a kernel thing in maemo and android does not support or care about that ...16:26
Gatta_Negraaaand .16:26
Gatta_Negraif it can not be soldered back16:26
Gatta_Negrais there a way to short them?16:26
Gatta_Negraat least this I can do : D16:27
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chem|sttmo might be slow atm as I am updating some tables...17:30
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freemangordon_Gatta_Negra: this code (checking for the sensor status) is upstreamed, I really doubt it is missing from the android kernel18:33
Gatta_Negraisn't that stg. that one could disabl compiling their own kernel like the debian kernel?18:37
freemangordon_Gatta_Negra: not sure I parse correctly, but you can compile you rown kernel ofc18:38
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Gatta_Negrahm hm18:38
Gatta_Negrait will by my last try18:39
Gatta_Negrai think the little black thing is damaged18:39
Gatta_Negra a friend of mine looked at it and he  said it is missing his legs18:39
Gatta_Negra its*18:39
freemangordonGatta_Negra: there are no legs on that package18:40
Gatta_Negrai mean there are dots , metal dots where the umm.. connectors shouldbe, but no visible legs to solder18:40
Gatta_Negramhm ,18:40
Gatta_Negrathan kyou18:40
Gatta_Negraso i will turn to a more experienced person :D18:40
freemangordonit'd be wise :)18:40
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freemangordonGatta_Negra: remember, this is BGA package
Gatta_Negraaww! thank you :D I will read that!18:44
Gatta_Negrai added that in my ZIM wiki, will read it at home18:45
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dackI'm trying to copy files off of the micro sdcard on my N900 by using an sdcard adapter.  Ubuntu doesn't recognize the format and I can't read it.  What format is the card usually in?20:31
dackI usually take stuff off via the data cable, but I no longer have it.20:32
ShadowJKN900 doesn't change the format, so it's whatever it was before you bought it20:34
dack@ShadowJK any idea why I can't read it via the adapter?20:35
ShadowJKnot really20:36
dack"sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code"20:36
ShadowJKget a new card reader20:37
dack"Sense Key : Hardware Error [current]"20:37
ShadowJKpastebin all of it20:37
dackit's a repeating message...  he's a snippet:
dackit's possible the adapter doesn't work...  I have 2 and I think I've only used one before20:39
ShadowJKalso if it's a laptop builtin reader you might have trouble20:40
dackoh?  I've used the laptop reader before with a similar adapter with no issues20:40
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dackk.. don't worry about it.  I just wanted to know if there was some strange formatting in place that I was unaware of.  There must be some issue with my laptop or the adapter20:42
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ecc2gI have this one SDHC 4GB card that works only on laptop built-in readers, the USB readers I have don't work (but work fine with my 8 and 16G SDHC cards)... so much for conformity20:46
ShadowJKMy sheevaplug which runs OS from a usb stick didn't boot again after power outage. Unplugged and replugged usb stick and usb hub. Booted up fine..20:47
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Gatta_Negrafreemangordon, is there some guide how to compile maemo kernel?20:53
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Gatta_Negrafreemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 we installed power kernel 49 and the kernel module for it and now the sdcard is available :D : :D21:25
Gatta_Negrai thank you for all the help!21:25
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what magic this obsolete KP49 has built in21:30
DocScrutinizer05probably a bug that's a feature: do *not* care about status of backcover sensor during boot21:31
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: Pali: ^^^ while this is a nice "feature" it still feels like a bug relevant for QA in KP21:33
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DocScrutinizer05of course unless it's clearly documented and evaluated and intentional21:34
DocScrutinizer05well, s/bug/regression/21:35
Gatta_Negrauh uh21:36
Gatta_NegraDocScrutinizer05, on a second hand phone .. do I prefer well documented or somehow working?21:36
Gatta_Negrakernel power 49 is available in the maemo reps21:37
DocScrutinizer05it's pretty old21:37
DocScrutinizer05iirc 52 is recent21:37
Gatta_Negra i believe if we can find the source and have time to see the configs we will succeed in path21:37
Gatta_Negraching the latest one21:37
Gatta_Negrabut you know, i wanted it now :D21:38
DocScrutinizer05Pali is master of KP21:38
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Gatta_Negrai believe if one should be sure kernel is ok they need to patch it / compile themselves  .i am using stock kernel on my laptop now as i do not have time to compile one21:39
DocScrutinizer05and pointing out an unexpected effect that's happening in KP is always an issue that needs looking into it, since it might introduce other more severe negative effects as well, and we want to ensure KP working absolutely 100% reliable for all maemo users21:39
Gatta_Negrawell then. DocScrutinizer05 , what should  i do ? revert back? (no sdcard) or wait for a patch?21:41
* RST38h moos21:41
Gatta_Negrawill it work with pk52?21:41
DocScrutinizer05in software development (well actually in all enineering) you don't accept unsolicited positive effects as "hmm fine, then I don't need to care". Rather you start frowning why that positive effect happens without you taking care to make it happen21:41
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: for you everything fine right now21:42
RST38hBTW, are KotCzarny and Gatta_Negra the same cat or two?21:42
Gatta_Negrai am alone her21:42
Gatta_Negrahere :D21:42
DocScrutinizer05((will it work with pk52?)) that's the point - nobody knows since nobody knows why it works in KP4921:42
Gatta_Negrathis is another feline21:42
RST38hAh ok21:42
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: I suggest you wait for proper patch and then update to KP5221:44
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: ...and find somebody who knows what's BGA and knows how to solder such parts with hot air reflow station21:45
Gatta_Negramy ex BF :(((21:45
Gatta_Negrathis is so i will keep looking :D21:45
Gatta_Negrai prefer my current BF to patch me a kernel than to go and bother people from the past21:46
Gatta_Negraand I am not giving my new toy to a repair shop so soon after I got it21:46
Gatta_Negrasoo easy it could be if i were a boy :D21:47
DocScrutinizer05just keep in mind you might destroy uSD card when inserting or removing it while slot is powered21:47
DocScrutinizer05no sexism in this channel please ;-D21:48
Gatta_Negrasorry i was joking21:50
Gatta_Negrai am sorry21:50
Gatta_Negrawell yes, If using phone with this kernel i will power it off21:51
Gatta_Negraok, what is the dev environment21:58
Gatta_Negrai mean we decided to try to hack it21:58
Gatta_Negrai reverted back to 52 (as you discouraged me of using a module from a man with 2 posts only (like taking candies from a stranger, right?))21:59
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Gatta_Negrathe main question is am i copiling the kernel on the nokia or virtualize the process  it on my pc?22:10
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Gatta_Negraok i got this one22:13
Gatta_Negrawish me luck :D22:13
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ludensuhh entire /home/user/MyDocs partition supercorrupted by the camera :O22:43
ludensfsck: "Logical sector size is zero."22:44
ludensnice :/22:44
ludensnow analysing with testdisk...22:45
WizzupIs it possible to register `hotkeys' on the maemo main desktop, or globally?22:51
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freemangordonGattaNegra: wait, what?!? KP49 allows uSD to work without backcover? O.o23:06
freemangordonPali: ^^^ any idea?23:06
Palimaybe you touched cover sensor?23:07
Palior was in old kp some patch which allowed it?23:07
freemangordonPali: the lady has her hall sensor detached from the board (fallen off)23:08
freemangordonI don;t see which patch could allow that23:08
Palido not know23:08
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keriowhy is GattaNegra compiling the kernel?23:28
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freemangordonkerio: maybe she is curious ;)23:28
kerioyou don't take down your house to build a new one because you're curious23:29
keriono, wait, bad allegory23:29
kerioyou don't... mh23:29
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kerioperform brain surgery?23:29
keriothat's too excessive23:29
WizzupI found
Wizzupso I guess I can just do it by talking to X23:31
Palipatching kernel to disable back cover detection?23:31
Paliit is possible and I read that some people already did it23:32
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freemangordonmakes some sense, though not through boot parameters23:32
freemangordonI'd bet on an sysfs23:32
infobotfreemangordon meant: I'd bet on  sysfs23:32
Paliif I remember only commenting gpio is needed in mmc structure...23:32
freemangordonshould be enough, yes23:33
freemangordonbut that will constantly disable detection, and this is not waht we want I guess23:33
freemangordona better solution would be to ignore it in isr if sysfs says "ignore it"23:34
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* kerio would like to permanently ignore it very much23:36
freemangordonkerio: what about the others and "the freedom of choice"?23:38
kerioi dunno lol \_o_/23:38
keriofwiw i think defaulting to ignore would be better23:39
kerioso you can, say, boot with the cover open if you have swap on uSD23:39
kerioalthough, to be fair, you can just put the sysfs configuration before mounting the swap23:39
freemangordonit shouldn;t matter if you put it before or after, if it is realtime changeable23:40 kinda have to do that before23:40
kerioto be able to *use* the swap23:40
freemangordonhmm, correct23:41
keriowhat happens if you disable detection and then remove the uSD?23:41
keriodoes it get detected then?23:41
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kerioso just I/O error?23:41
freemangordonI guess it results in broken uSD/fs23:41
kerioapart from that23:42
kerioit's obviously a forcibly detached storage device23:42
freemangordonif you have swap on it, you are screwed23:42
kerioI KNOW23:42
kerioon the linux side23:42
keriodoes it figure out that the uSD changed?23:42
keriobecause aiui right now there's nothing to do a clean unmount of the uSD when you remove the backcover anyway23:43
freemangordonkerio: afaik that keeps uSD from being phisycally damaged23:43
kerio...u wot m823:44
keriowhat prevents the uSD from being physically damaged on my cheapo slide-in card reader?23:44
freemangordonuSD got fcked up if you remove the power while doing IO23:44
keriodamn, i really didn't know that23:44
freemangordonkerio: n900 is not your cheapu uSD reader, neither is Nokia a Chinese manifacturer23:45
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keriois that why it's almost always a slide-in thing?23:45
kerioso you can cut off the data connection before the power23:45
freemangordonmaybe, but iirc I've seen report of damaged SD card because of power loss23:48
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