IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-11-17

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m4r0v3rhello anyone around?00:41
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m4r0v3rmeaning :P00:44
chainsawbikeif you have a question ask it... you never know if someone will drop in and answer it :)00:45
m4r0v3ris anyone from the porting task force knocking about?00:45
chainsawbike#maemo-ssu is the usual channel you can find them in00:48
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RST38hWithin the rear compartment is a large, humid cavity of gray organic tissue that maintains a constant temperature of 24 degrees Celsius. This area serves as SCP-1524's stomach, though it also has the function of storing gardening implements such as pinking shears, rakes, and a lawn mower.05:41
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Gatta_Negrahello all06:09
Gatta_Negracan anyone shed some light06:10
Gatta_Negrai get key expired for
Gatta_NegraPING (
Gatta_Negratime=32.715 ms06:10
Gatta_Negrait seems stg. is stinky06:11
Gatta_Negraxactly 2 hours ago I could access it06:11
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: those SCP quotes start getting boring08:14
DocScrutinizer05I bet you can find every random sort of bizarre word sequence in those fiction stories08:14
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: what's stg. ?08:16
DocScrutinizer05as long as you get "key expired" that's not as worse as it could be. It just means Nokia managed to let their signature key expire roughly a year ago, and since it's expired they can't renew it. For you it doesn't or at least shouldn't have any negative consequences, it's just a W:(arning)08:18
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Gear_the n900 is my only phone09:30
Gear_I fucking love it09:30
Gear_I have two, when the first one can't be serviced or fixed anymore, I'll switch to the second09:30
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Gear_nokia discontinued all service for the n90010:01
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Gatta_NegraDocScrutinizer05, thank you13:56
Gatta_Negrai just disabld the reps13:56
Gatta_Negraanother question :D I think this is the question that every n900 user finally asks : How to disable the back lid detection?13:56
Gatta_Negrathe magnet is there, camera lid is detected, yer ack lid is reported opened all the time13:57
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qwerty123Hi.. How do we change default viewre for jpgfrom image-viewer to gpicview(easydebian)?14:56
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: when magnet is there - REALLY - the you got a serious problem15:01
DocScrutinizer05qwerty123: hardly15:03
DocScrutinizer05Gear_: not really, they still seem to serve the base repos15:04
qwerty123DocScrutinizer05: hardly?15:04
DocScrutinizer05Gear_: like
DocScrutinizer05qwerty123: it's too entangled with e.g. camera-ui I'd think15:05
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DocScrutinizer05if it's just about which viewer gets called when clicking a file in filemanager, I guess it's easy15:06
qwerty123DocScrutinizer05: had tried dbus-switchboard. Pics started opening in opera instead. To revert back, had to uninstall it.15:06
qwerty123DocScrutinizer05: and figured out solution for that problem with freezing and all, restart hildon-status-menu. No idea why but it works.15:07
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DocScrutinizer05"(standard) image-viewer" you mean "gallery", right?15:08
DocScrutinizer05hildan-status-menu has a memleak15:08
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DocScrutinizer05a nasty one Nokia devels should get beaten for never noticing and the less fixing it15:09
DocScrutinizer05afaik freemangordon has fixed RE'ed versions for everything rogue15:10
DocScrutinizer05in CSSU-*15:10
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qwerty123DocScrutinizer05: yeah its about that only, click-open types.15:12
qwerty123DocScrutinizer05: i think its 'maemo photos'.15:13
qwerty123Same thing.15:13
DocScrutinizer05the mime types are in .desktop files IIRC15:16
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qwerty123DocScrutinizer05: okay. And my powertop-error thing where c0 is stuck at 98.4 percent, has experienced something new - C4 state's idle time reached 5449 ms. But the c4 state percent remained at 1.5 .15:19
DocScrutinizer05well, then use powertop to spot which process is runaway15:20
qwerty123DocScrutinizer05: thanks. I wasusing dbus-switchboard. It ended up with pics opening in opera.15:20
qwerty123No use. Its always same whether idle time is 700 ms or 2000 ms.15:21
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qwerty123DocScrutinizer05: top never shows high cpu.15:22
qwerty123And i have this doubt - even without video, mplayer shoots up Xorg usage. Why?15:23
qwerty123And pulseaudio disabled.15:24
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DocScrutinizer05I said "use powertop to spot runaway process". If there's no runaway process then it's kernel and some IP function domain (like USB or DMA or whatever) stays active and thus blocks CPU from sleeping15:28
DocScrutinizer05also see15:29
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop, or "" root; cd /usr/local/bin; wget -O zzztop; chmod +x zzztop "", or
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Gatta_NegraDocScrutinizer05, yes the magnet is there15:39
Gatta_Negrado you think that replacing the lid and the other stuff will do?15:39
DocScrutinizer05that's *very* strange15:39
Gatta_Negracan I post ebay link here? I see a german person selling the whole pack15:39
DocScrutinizer05try with a fridge magnet when backlid off15:40
Gatta_Negrano change15:40
Gatta_NegraI tried some magnets15:40
Gatta_Negrathe lo does not say anything15:40
DocScrutinizer05then you have a serious problem15:40
Gatta_Negramaybe i tried wrong magnet, yet I have several15:40
Gatta_Negrathe phone is 2nd hand15:40
Gatta_Negrai realized the card is not read yesterday15:41
DocScrutinizer05use a strong magnet, try at location where original magnet in kickstand "bay" sits15:41
DocScrutinizer05doublecheck THE MAGNET! please describe where you found it!15:41
DocScrutinizer05odds are your idea WHAT *IS* the magnet is off15:42
DocScrutinizer05please explain to me where to find the original magnet15:43
Gatta_Negrasee i  see this sold here. Do you hink this could help the issue ?
DocScrutinizer05pretend I'm a noob ;-)15:43
Gatta_Negrawell. I am pretending then. a second15:43
Gatta_NegraWhen you lift the kickstand there is a rectangular little thing right in the middle. See the camera slider ? Orient it properly as the Carl Zeiss label reads properly, then look about a centimeter downwards.  Look exactly where the kickstand lies. There should be a magnet in the rectangular hole.15:46
Gatta_Negraso the magnet is there15:46
Gatta_Negraa metal object like a money clip can hang from it15:46
DocScrutinizer05if that magnet is still there then standby for a minute, I'll come up with further tests15:47
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Gatta_Negrai dug the magnet out - dmesg says nothing differnet15:49
Gatta_Negraok, it have always said cover is open, card is now inaccessible15:50
Gatta_Negra , this does not change15:50
DocScrutinizer05dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is"15:50
Gatta_Negra , this does not change15:50
Gatta_Negra 6.698181] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible15:50
DocScrutinizer05remove cover with magnet15:51
DocScrutinizer05dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is"|tail -n 115:51
DocScrutinizer05install cover with magnet15:51
DocScrutinizer05dmesg|grep "mmc0: cover is"|tail -n 115:51
Gatta_Negrano change15:52
DocScrutinizer05watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch15:54
DocScrutinizer05^^^ this is a command line15:54
DocScrutinizer05to be done as root15:54
Gatta_Negrait says open. it is closed :D15:55
DocScrutinizer05try with several magnets15:55
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Gatta_Negrai will do that now15:55
DocScrutinizer05but I guess your sensor is broken15:55
Gatta_Negrasono, if I buy a replacement pack will it do? I mean. .. where is the sensor?15:56
Gatta_Negrai tried even with a loudspeaker magnet15:57
Gatta_Negraall the same15:57
DocScrutinizer05the sensor is an electronic component soldered to an extension of motherboard15:57
Gatta_Negratc tc15:57
Gatta_Negraso you say no way to fix that15:59
Gatta_Negracool :D15:59
DocScrutinizer05unless you're running a *massively* messed up kernel, the >>watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch<< should reflect directly the sensor's state as reported via a "wire" to CPU15:59
Gatta_Negrahm.i am ssh-ed to the phone from my linux laptop15:59
DocScrutinizer05do one test please15:59
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:00
DocScrutinizer05echo closed >/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:00
Gatta_Negrayesterday i tried to install some "kernel module " from some forum. the nokia started an endless loop so I had to re-flash it16:00
DocScrutinizer05ok then, you can forget about that test, I guess16:00
Gatta_Negra-r--r--r--    1 root     root         4096 Nov 17 05:19 /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:00
Gatta_NegraNokia-N900:/opt/var/lib/apt#  echo closed >/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:00
Gatta_Negra-sh: cannot create /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch: Permission denied16:00
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DocScrutinizer05one last thing you *might* do, **ON OWN PERIL**16:01
DocScrutinizer05echo closed >/cover; mount -o bind /cover /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch16:02
DocScrutinizer05*might* temporarily fix stuff for you16:02
Gatta_Negrauntil reboot?16:02
DocScrutinizer05maximum until reboot, yes16:03
DocScrutinizer05could as well render your system messed up so you *need* to reboot to recover from all kinds of strange effects16:03
Gatta_Negramhm I see16:03
Gatta_NegraI have nothing to lose I think ..16:03
DocScrutinizer05right :-)16:03
Gatta_Negraso now cat cover_switch says closed16:04
Gatta_Negrayet dmesg does not say anything about the back lid16:05
Gatta_Negraand .. again there is not even a sniff from sdcard - i tried 3 different16:06
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Gatta_Negrais there a way to understand if the sdcard slot is detected at all?16:12
Gatta_Negraand dmesg says this : Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods16:16
freemangordonthat's normal16:16
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: restart HAL16:17
freemangordonwhat kernel is that? stock?16:17
DocScrutinizer05he reflashed 2 days ago16:17
DocScrutinizer05restarting HAL may make your device act funny16:18
DocScrutinizer05ask somebody else *how* to restart HAL, maybe freemangordon knows16:18
freemangordonstop hal?16:19
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freemangordon"/etc/init.d/hald restart?"16:19
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you also could try to tak him thru /sys/GPIO/ hack16:19
Gatta_Negrait rebooted :D16:19
Gatta_Negrai am a "she"16:19
Gatta_NegraKate, my pleasure16:19
DocScrutinizer05OOH! :-)16:19
DocScrutinizer05Hi Kate16:19
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Gatta_Negraso i am waiting for it to boot now16:20
DocScrutinizer05welcome, rarely ever female visitors here - a pity16:20
Gatta_NegraI am happy to see so many people that do not hate questions16:20
DocScrutinizer05nobody hates *good* questions16:21
Gatta_NegraI work in the support team for a company and I do now how insane they can be16:21
Gatta_Negra i read about the issue here and there, it seems that this is a big flaw for the model16:21
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: AFAIK, cover magnet is not the kickstand magnet16:22
DocScrutinizer05we had our share of boring questions here, yours are definitely not. You show you're willing to learn and do your "homework"16:22
DocScrutinizer05yes it is16:22
freemangordonsure? ok16:22
DocScrutinizer05everybody losing it has same problem16:23
DocScrutinizer05so I don't even need to confirm on my devices16:23
freemangordonok, ok, got it :)16:23
freemangordonanyway, for the kernel to report the cover is open, it is either the wrong magnet or faulty sensor16:24
Gatta_Negrathe issue (according to me) is that whatever magnet I bring to the device, no matter of the orientation it does not show any signs that there is a magnet around16:24
Gatta_Negramhm, I have all my fridge magnets on the table.16:24
Gatta_Negrafaulty sensor it shoud ve16:24
freemangordonthey should be strogn enough for the sensor to act16:25
Gatta_Negraif I enter an MMC card, shall dmesg say something at all?16:25
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: couldn't you finally hack that shitty kernel module? to have a module cmdline paramater "sensor=on" or "sensor=off" or "sensor=file:/cover" ?16:25
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I'll check on the schematic, but iirc there is a HW connection somewhere16:25
DocScrutinizer05it is a hw connection, but it's unclear if it already *directly* disables uSD VDD16:26
DocScrutinizer05the sensort is on CARD_DETECT on MMC IF16:26
DocScrutinizer05a pin in the SoC interface for MMC cards16:26
DocScrutinizer05but I bet you could at least configure the MMC IF IP behaviour in some register, regarding CARD_DETECT16:27
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: hmm, iiuc this is gpio16016:27
freemangordonso no regulators etc involved16:28
freemangordonpure SW16:28
Gatta_NegraI am going to be dramatic. I live in a post communist country (Bulgaria) . When I was little I wanted a Barbie doll. I never had it. Luxury goods from the open world were forbidden you know.. Then Nokia n900 came out, but I was using Siemens back then. And now I have an HTC, but I just realized that I _wanted_ that n900. so I looked at local 2nd hand adds, I picked adds for 2 weeks and now this :/16:28
DocScrutinizer05check 2nd function16:28
freemangordonGatta_Negra: hehe16:29
DocScrutinizer05it's sth like CARD_DETECT on MMC116:29
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freemangordonGatta_Negra: I am bulgarian too16:29
Gatta_Negranice :D16:30
Gatta_Negraso now, how would I check the CARD_DETECT thing?16:30
freemangordondo you have some loudspeaker around?16:30
Gatta_Negraamm. Yes16:31
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: either your component N5120 hall detector switch "uSD card hot-swap detection sensor" is broken16:31
DocScrutinizer05N5210 sorry16:31
DocScrutinizer05or your ESD prot component Z5210 is defect16:31
Gear_I didn't get an n900 when they were new16:32
* freemangordon tries to find a loudpeaker to check if it will work for the cover sensor16:32
Gear_I got one about 3 years leter16:32
DocScrutinizer05or your "CPU" (actually SoC) OMAP3530 CHIP has a defect pin T21 "GPIO_160"16:32
Gear_then I got another one when I realiesd they'd be extinct soon16:32
DocScrutinizer05OR! your R5210 is broken, a very easy fix16:33
Gatta_Negramm. I thought of buying another WORKING one but I am still hoping to be able to deal with this one16:33
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DocScrutinizer05well, if you can live with permanently closed lid, you can short the detector16:34
Gatta_Negrai mean if there is a way to put android or stg. else instead of maemo even if sdcard is not working .. I can live with that16:34
DocScrutinizer05or remove (cut open) it, depending on logic of this signal16:34
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Gatta_Negrahm, how ?16:34
DocScrutinizer05with a soldering iron ;-)16:34
Gatta_Negracool . i have it nearby.16:35
Gatta_Negrait is only what needs to be soldered?16:35
DocScrutinizer05or wait for freemangordon to fix the kernel module driver for MMC16:35
Gatta_Negrahmm, this is a nice workaround too16:35
DocScrutinizer05wait, we will come up with better diagnostics16:35
DocScrutinizer05[2013-11-17 15:28:37] <freemangordon> so no regulators etc involved16:36
Gatta_Negrai do wonder about this: the sensor is not working, this is evident. But how to know if the SDcard slot os OK? Is it possible it is broken too?16:36
DocScrutinizer05[2013-11-17 15:28:41] <freemangordon> pure SW16:36
DocScrutinizer05promising remark16:36
Gatta_Negrai lost a part16:36
Gatta_Negrait just jumped out of my hands16:36
Gatta_Negrathere is a tiny metal thingie on the backlid16:36
Gatta_Negrawas, now it is somewhere in this room16:37
Gatta_Negrawas it important (I know it is, but it seems to be acting like a spring for the kickstand. will this affect the sensor and sdcard issue?16:37
DocScrutinizer05you're confortable with torx6/philips00 screws and soldering 0201 components?16:38
DocScrutinizer05no, this part is only mechanical16:38
freemangordonok, I was able to close the cover switch with a magnet from PC fan16:39
freemangordon*but* the direction and exact position seem important16:39
DocScrutinizer05of course your whole daughterboard could be defect, incl uSD and camera flashlight16:39
Gatta_Negra torx6 i have one here yes.16:39
Gatta_Negra0201 is a bit tiny - i am not good with it16:40
DocScrutinizer05me neither ;-)16:40
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: why we exclude the magnet?16:40
Gatta_Negrafreemangordon, how to find the direction /16:40
DocScrutinizer05for a start you might want to disassemble and *inspect* your mainboard16:40
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: hm?16:41
freemangordonGatta_Negra: remove the back cover and move/rotate around the place you *think* the sensor is located, judging by the missing magnet place16:41
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: why we think magnet is not the culprit? because Gatta_Negra checked it's there and she checked with other magnets as well16:41
freemangordonGatta_Negra: before that ssh to the device and do "tail -f /var/log/syslog"16:41
freemangordonwithout quotes16:42
Gatta_Negrai am ssh in the devic16:42
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: sorry, you're late16:42
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yes, but she tried with fridge magnets only iiuc16:42
Gatta_Negrathere is no syslog16:42
DocScrutinizer05that's absolutely sufficient16:42
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: syslog also obsolete16:43
freemangordonok, dmesg then16:43
DocScrutinizer05there's my watchline above16:43
Gatta_Negrano, whatever magnet I try there dmesg does not say anything related to it16:43
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: the magnet is in place, says Gatta_Negra16:43
DocScrutinizer05I confirmed it16:44
DocScrutinizer05magnet ruled out16:44
Gatta_Negrai have a loudspeaker magnet, fridges, a bunch of the flat magnets (lik rubber)16:44
Gatta_Negrathe magnet is also in the  kickstand bed16:44
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: ignore it16:44
Gatta_Negrai tried with a money clip16:44
DocScrutinizer05it's already confirmed that magnet is OK16:45
freemangordonhmm, ok16:45
Gatta_Negrai am reluctant about disasembling the device  about rignt at that moment16:45
freemangordonyep, better bring it to some service. are you in sofia?16:45
Gatta_Negrai mean it is 17:00 Sunday and if I start now It will take forever16:45
DocScrutinizer05you should be, unless we give better instructions HOW to do that16:45
Gatta_Negrafreemangordon, yes in Sofia16:45
freemangordonthere are a couple of good places you may bring your device for repair, I'll ask a friend of mine where she had her USB port fixed16:46
DocScrutinizer05there are pretty good instructions on how to disassemble N900 on youtube. Also pretty bad ones16:46
Gatta_NegraDocScrutinizer05, I have disassembled n95 in the past. and some siemens16:47
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: is n5210 easily accessible?16:47
freemangordonand easy to be replaced as well16:47
DocScrutinizer05it's 6 screws (2 Torx6 and 4 Philips) to remove, and a nasty tiny B2B plug to gently unplug16:47
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: after disassembling yes it is16:48
freemangordonafaik it is not hard to disassemble n90016:48
DocScrutinizer05sits on top of daughterboard16:48
Gatta_Negran95 has this screen that is always broken so I had mine changed 4 times before I gave up on the model16:48
freemangordonbut before that, at least she needs a replacement :)16:48
freemangordonfor the hall sensor16:48
freemangordonno way to find it on sunday here :D16:49
DocScrutinizer05I thought she first checks what's status of the device, so to find out what's actually broken16:49
DocScrutinizer05I could think of some silly user trying to "disable the magnet"16:49
DocScrutinizer05hard way16:49
DocScrutinizer05and failing epically16:49
freemangordondo you think a faulty hall could be find with a naked eye?16:49
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freemangordonhmm, yep, that makes sense16:49
DocScrutinizer05no, but a tampered one16:50
DocScrutinizer05a broken 0204 R also16:50
freemangordonGatta_Negra: does the camera work?16:50
DocScrutinizer05das the FLASHLIGHT work?16:50
Gatta_Negradevice looks very good for a 2nd hand one - on first glance no traces of use , so I am tending to exclude heavy falls, spilled liquids, etc16:50
Gatta_Negrayes the camera is ok16:50
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: are those zeners in a chip or discrete?16:50
Gatta_Negracamera lid does not start camera unless I do this16:50
Gatta_Negragconftool-2 --type Boolean --set /system/osso/af/mmc-cover-open false16:51
DocScrutinizer05sounds good16:51
Gatta_Negrabut even without that camera is ok, no faults, no crashes whatsoever16:51
Gatta_NegraI made tons of pictures as I like the carl zeiss optics of nokia very much16:52
Gatta_Negraworking OK16:52
DocScrutinizer05the camera is basically unrelated, wait it is: camdoor sensor also on the daughterboard16:52
DocScrutinizer05next to hall sensor#;-)16:52
Gatta_Negrathere is a light sensor also, right ?16:52
DocScrutinizer05that's the door sensor16:53
Gatta_Negraa second , I want to try stg.16:53
DocScrutinizer05IR proxi sensor, like the one on front to lock screen when you place phone to ear16:53
freemangordonGatta_Negra: on the back side? no, afaik16:53
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: IR is light16:54
DocScrutinizer05just *you* don't (usually) see it16:54
Gatta_Negrawell, i do not know if this is relevant. but:16:54
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ORLY? :P16:54
Gatta_NegraNokia-N900:~# gconftool-2 --get  /system/osso/af/mmc-cover-open16:55
Gatta_Negrain This position , when I open and close camera lid16:55
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Gatta_Negra dmesg says i is opened and closed16:55
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I guess HAL is doing that. Or ke-recv16:55
Gatta_Negrayet camera does not start16:55
Gatta_Negraif I set this to false camera starts when lid is opened16:56
DocScrutinizer05yeah, camera not supposed to start when no backlid detected16:56
Gatta_Negraso this drove me to think there is a light sensor16:56
Gatta_NegraDocScrutinizer05, on n95 camera started when camera lid removed this is why the first hack I used was this :D16:56
DocScrutinizer05it's a infraread proxy detector16:56
DocScrutinizer05it checks the white/black on door slider16:57
Gatta_Negraaaand .. about the sensor for "close to the ear"16:57
Gatta_Negrashall I make a test call to see if it is there and OK?16:57
Gatta_Negrayes this one works too - when I put my hand in front of the camera16:58
DocScrutinizer05watch cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state16:58
DocScrutinizer05front senser ^^^16:58
DocScrutinizer05working all the time16:59
Gatta_Negrayes it is there16:59
Gatta_Negraopen all the time unless the phone is in up vertical position close to something - hand , ear ..17:00
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DocScrutinizer05position shouldn't matter17:00
DocScrutinizer05just cover up sensor in upper left corner17:00
DocScrutinizer05left to "NOKIA"17:01
freemangordon~seen Pali17:01
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 17h 47m 28s ago, saying: 'in gst it is rank property'.17:02
Gatta_Negraposition does not matter17:02
DocScrutinizer05actually 10mm down from the corner17:02
Gatta_Negrait is actually annoying that camera starts even if the cam lid is closed camera starts if you accidentally hit the button17:02
freemangordonGatta_Negra: there is a setting for that17:03
DocScrutinizer05not here17:03
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: in stock camera?17:03
DocScrutinizer05yeah, stock does it17:04
Gatta_Negrafreemangordon, yes i believe so , yet I consider sdcard not working more important17:04
freemangordon"Show on focusbutton press"17:04
freemangordonGatta_Negra: for sure17:04
Gatta_Negracan I install android or whatever without sdcard/17:04
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: do you think you could add that MMC.ko patch I suggested?17:04
freemangordonto ignore the sensor?17:05
DocScrutinizer05to have a cmdline option17:05
Gatta_Negra uname -a17:05
Gatta_NegraLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown  -this is what I have at the moment17:05
freemangordonI have to discuss it with pali, but I don't see a reason why not17:05
freemangordonGatta_Negra: yep, stock kernel17:06
DocScrutinizer05a LOT of users are waiting for such patch for LOOOONG ;-)17:06
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Gatta_Negrathat is what they give with the maemo flash instructions in 5 AM17:06
freemangordonGatta_Negra: it is ok17:06
Gatta_Negrayes DocScrutinizer05 the issue seems to be a killer17:06
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I'll look through the code, it shouldn't be hard17:07
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: I'm even willing to check friggin TRM for needed setup patches17:07
DocScrutinizer05if you can't do that17:07
freemangordonI don;t think this will be needed, it is just a GPIO17:08
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DocScrutinizer05but I'd prefer you check the code for existing inits that indicate there's a link in hw between GPIO_168 and the uSD VDD supply17:08
freemangordonbut this is gpio 160, n0t 16817:09
Gatta_Negra i tried putting some module and when it started the loop of rebooting I flashed with wthatever I found . My BF is a programmer, yet I felt very ashamed of the stupidity to add "some module found on the internet" to a working dvice and breaking it this way.. then going to him for help.. so .. now it is in state 0, but at least it works :D17:09
freemangordonGatta_Negra: you bought the device from ebay?17:10
Gatta_Negralocal add17:11
Gatta_Negraprodavalnik :D17:11
freemangordonyeah :D17:11
Gatta_Negramy first purchase there17:11
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Gatta_Negrait was my BD present for me :D17:11
Gatta_Negraa cool thing it is , that Nokia even without sdcard17:12
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Gatta_NegraI am sick of the onscreen keyboards of smartphones17:12
Gatta_Negracan not type fast enough with manicure, or even without it17:12
Gatta_Negraso the hardware keyboard combined with MyPaint is cool17:13
freemangordonhmm, my friend is online, going to ask her where did she repaired her device17:13
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: be CAREFUL with step 7)17:14
Gatta_Negrait is a flat thing with pins, right?17:15
Gatta_Negrai do not have spare screws here. I will need to buy some first17:15
DocScrutinizer05stop with completing step 15)17:15
DocScrutinizer05everybody reusing the original screws17:16
android_808freemangordon: I haven't heard anything with regards to maintainer for mussorgsky, rtmpdump or get_iplayer and nothing from ifade re mussorgsky either.17:16
freemangordonmerlin1991: ping17:16
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it is merlin1991 who gives the maintainer right, correct?17:16
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DocScrutinizer05err usually, when I don't17:17
DocScrutinizer05for extras*17:17
freemangordonandroid_808: when did you request maintainership? some week ago?17:18
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: "thing with pins?" please elaborate17:19
Gatta_NegraDocScrutinizer05, would you recommend me doing disassemble now? If so, what to look for in there?17:19
android_808Ok, think i just found a small tmo bug whilst trying to answer that ;)17:20
Gatta_NegraDocScrutinizer05, well the brown connector the an on the video is removing seem to be like the other ones  I have seen  - brown plate with pins on it, so the reason to be careful is not to harm the pins17:20
DocScrutinizer05if you feel comfortable with the disassembly instruction, the you may go ahead, and inspect the daughterboard for visible mechanical damage17:20
Gatta_NegraI mean if pins are not what I am looking to keep intact what is the danger?17:21
DocScrutinizer05not exactly pins, but basically yes17:21
DocScrutinizer05it's a
freemangordonandroid_808: did you request to be the maintainer of those packages in the package interface? sorry, I forgot :)17:21
android_808freemangordon: you replied to me on Monday so I think I probably sent it last Sunday.  TMO doesn't seem to be recording sent messages so I can't tell if ifade got messages or not.17:21
android_808Yes, via package interface17:22
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: lift in *the middle*, NOT at one of the small sides17:22
DocScrutinizer05lift with a credit card or the like17:23
android_808freemangordon: ignore tmo comment, it appears by default setting for saving sent items has disabled itself at some stage.17:23
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: NEVER bend the flex ribbon17:23
Gatta_Negrahmm. i have the plastic tool they are using17:23
freemangordonandroid_808: ok, I'll pester merlin1991 and DocScrutinizer05, you can do it as well ;)17:23
* DocScrutinizer05 whistles and pretends to not be around17:24
freemangordonandroid_808: but not now, DocScrutinizer05 is in the middle of a delicate remote surgery :D17:24
DocScrutinizer05...and I'm busy to checkread a new PCB before it gets manufactured, and we don't want any bugs in that either17:25
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android_808freemangordon: so i see, missed start of conversation so i can only guess what his trying to fix.17:25
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: next you get good pictures of mainboard, e.g. on my server:
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: for the Neo?17:28
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: is the sensor and the resistor (I'm guessing for the resistor). Check those two components for any visible damage17:29
DocScrutinizer05sorry, that's NOT the resistor but a capacitor17:30
DocScrutinizer05but anyway, the tine 4-leged black thing is the magnet sensor component17:30
DocScrutinizer05if somebody messed around with it then it's clear what to replace and fix17:32
DocScrutinizer05I don't think anything else would be target of a fool's mods17:32
DocScrutinizer05if you can't find any replacement, last aid is shorting or removing (== cut open. Depending on logic of this chip) two of the 4 legs of the black thing17:33
Gatta_Negrai found the issue :(17:34
Gatta_Negralittle rectangular thing fll out17:34
Gatta_Negratc. Fell17:34
DocScrutinizer05the sensor chip?17:34
freemangordonhmm, that's good news IMO17:34
Gatta_Negrai do not know. seems in the shape of 020117:35
DocScrutinizer05what color?17:35
Gatta_Negralet me see where it fell from17:35
DocScrutinizer05does it look like ?17:35
DocScrutinizer05though that's more like 120817:36
DocScrutinizer05not 040217:36
DocScrutinizer050201 we don't even have on N90017:36
Gatta_Negraone thing is missing on my board, compared with that picture17:36
Gatta_Negrathe big black one17:36
DocScrutinizer05yes, the sensor17:37
DocScrutinizer05good news17:37
Gatta_Negranot so good as I'd have to learh now to put it back :D17:37
DocScrutinizer05lemme check which two pins you need to short17:37
Gatta_Negraat least YOU ARE GREAT!17:37
DocScrutinizer05according to schematics you need to short pin2 and pin317:38
Gatta_Negrasorry. how to know which are they?17:38
Gatta_Negrai did not educate in elecronics17:39
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WizardNumberNextGatta_Negra, who did touch your n900? IMHO people, who are able to do such damage shouldn't touch any electronic device even, when it is fully assembled.17:39
DocScrutinizer05sorry, even I have a hard time figuring which pin is which17:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: isn't there a dot on the right side of the sensor on that picture17:40
Gatta_NegraWizardNumberNext, it is 2nd hand17:40
DocScrutinizer05I'm trying hard to come up with a way to find out. Seems this chip has only 3 pads, not 4?17:40
freemangordonit is too blurry to be sure17:40
Gatta_Negra3 - one bigger and two smaller17:40
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DocScrutinizer05OOOOH then the bigger one is 117:40
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WizardNumberNextDoc, do you have higher-res photo? There should be small deperession on chip near to pin 117:40
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-11-17 16:27:12] <DocScrutinizer05> Gatta_Negra: next you get good pictures of mainboard, e.g. on my server:
DocScrutinizer05should be highres enough for all reasonable purposes17:41
DocScrutinizer05I scanned them17:41
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wouldn;t it be easier to put the sensor back than connecting 2 and 3?17:41
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: SMT, with an iron?17:42
DocScrutinizer05but yes, we might thing about that option17:42
freemangordonseems there is enough free space around to solder it17:42
DocScrutinizer05only need to think of *HOW* to do that17:42
Gatta_Negra  this is what I am looking . Look at the bottom right corner. lift glance up. there is a black chip and a brown one. The black is not attached to my board17:42
freemangordonGatta_Negra: that one detects the magnet17:43
Gatta_Negrayes i am just explaining in details what happens here17:43
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: gas iron I guess is the safest bet17:43
Gatta_Negrai do believe shorting them is not a good idea17:43
WizardNumberNextlooking on the scan, I think it should be possible to solder sensor with ordinary soldering iron17:43
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: or bringing the board in some repair centre17:44
Gatta_Negrado you think there are people that can solder this on place ?17:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, there *are* people who can do this17:44
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Gatta_Negracause I do not think I will be good enough17:44
Gatta_Negrato do this17:44
Gatta_Negrait seems too tiny17:44
Gatta_Negrauhh i hate this :D17:44
DocScrutinizer05but it needs reflow, can't get done with iron17:45
Gatta_Negrathe chip does not have "legs"17:45
WizardNumberNextbut it have be cleaned from any residue of tin, PCB have to receive just a touch of high quality rosin or similar product (best ould one which is half-liquid, half-solid)17:45
DocScrutinizer05yes, no legs17:45
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DocScrutinizer05it's a "BGA"17:45
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: maybe the best option for her is to bring the board and the sensor to some repair centre17:45
DocScrutinizer053pin Ball Grid Array17:45
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Gatta_Negrafreemangordon, do you still live in BG?17:45
DocScrutinizer05yes, definitely17:45
Gatta_Negrathey will just laugh I think17:46
WizardNumberNextups BGA is only reflow - hot-air gun - makes matter much easier, but first you need to have one17:46
DocScrutinizer05slap their face when they laugh!17:46
freemangordonGatta_Negra: no, why should they?17:46
Gear_I need to change my main phone over to my pentesting phone, and then use my battered up speaker not quite working phoen as the "pentesting phone"17:47
Gatta_Negrafreemangordon, i hate to say that but I do believe in cases like this they say" better buy a new phone"17:47
Gear_how do I transfer all my crap?17:47
infobotit has been said that backupmenu is
freemangordonGatta_Negra: depends where you bring it17:47
DocScrutinizer05Gear_: NB BM does NOT save/rstore *kernel*17:47
Gear_what is nm bm17:48
infobotsomebody said backupmenu was
DocScrutinizer05Nota Bene17:48
DocScrutinizer05aka "watch out"17:48
Gear_I want my contacts and shit, and programs17:48
freemangordonGatta_Negra: BTW my friend said she wouldn't recommend the guys that repaired her USB port17:49
Gear_I haven't made any kernel changes that I can remember17:49
WizardNumberNextGear, for restore you nead to have exactly same kernel as you had, when making backup17:49
Gear_I'm running cssu17:49
DocScrutinizer05cssu is not changing kernel17:49
Gatta_Negracool. now.  i will assemble the nokia again. if you happen to know fixing this kind of stuff I am all ears :D17:49
WizardNumberNextwhich one is important question17:49
Gear_but if it's cssu on a different phone, is that a different kernel?17:50
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: sorry, off for some coffee. highlight me if any further questions17:50
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: also ping me when somebody misbehaves in channel and makes you feel unconfortable, please17:50
freemangordonGatta_Negra: there are lots of shops in sofia they repair mobiles as well17:50
WizardNumberNextGear_, you need to install different kernel manualy to change it, no soft would change it without your knowledge and expressed wish17:51
freemangordonjust give them a call tomorrow and ask if they can do BGA reflow17:51
Gear_ok cool.17:51
WizardNumberNextso do not worry, if you didn't install any kernel, then you have stock kernel17:51
WizardNumberNextit is your choice, if you need different kernel17:52
Gear_when I first got the phone I used power kernel, now I use cssu17:52
Gear_I've had it about 3 years I think?17:52
WizardNumberNextBM is very usuful - I store all my backups on my server and I can access their contents any time17:52
Gear_and I got another one as a backup for when this one died, because it's a phone17:53
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: Gatta_Negra: 3pin reflow!!17:53
WizardNumberNextdid you ever reflashed or uninstall KP (kernel-power) or install different kernel?17:53
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: :nod:17:53
DocScrutinizer05it's a different challenge than reflowing a 800 ball SoC17:54
Gear_it said a seamless upgrade so I'm pretty sure I just let cssu do it's thing because it said it was compatible, or possibly evne needed it?17:54
DocScrutinizer05you *almost* could do it with iron17:54
Gatta_Negramm. I will try to find and I will come in the channel regularly17:54
DocScrutinizer05omly almsot, but in the end not really17:55
Gatta_NegraI thank you soo soo much!17:55
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah :D. BTW we have station in our office, though I don't know if it is only vacuum or has hot air too17:55
WizardNumberNextGear_, just to make sure what kernel yopu have: use X terminal and type uname -r17:55
Gatta_Negranow knowing hte source of the issue I am happier even in that situation17:55
DocScrutinizer05Gatta_Negra: you're welcome! :-)17:55
android_808has anyone got any experience with obexctl from bluez 5.10?17:56
DocScrutinizer05android_808: ask freemangordon17:56
WizardNumberNextandroid_808,  I didn't know there is bluez 517:56
DocScrutinizer05he knows the guy who might17:56
freemangordonandroid_808: ask luf, if you manage to catch him on #maemo-ssu17:56
freemangordon~seen luf17:57
infobotluf <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 67d 23h 10m 1s ago, saying: 'Because current cssu-t has a bug in file browsing.'.17:57
freemangordonhmm, I can bet I saw him a couple of days ago17:57
DocScrutinizer05maybe luf__17:57
DocScrutinizer05nameserv is your friend ;-)17:58
freemangordonnaah, too complicated for me :D17:58
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DocScrutinizer05bot only sees users who SAY something17:59
android_808never really used irc before today so way beyond me at the mo17:59
DocScrutinizer05android_808: /join #maemo-ssu + wait for user "luf"18:00
DocScrutinizer05/msg nickserv info luf18:01
DocScrutinizer05or try /query luf and start with "sorry pestering you in private query..."18:03
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DocScrutinizer05refer him to
DocScrutinizer05I told you to do so18:04
android_808DocScrutinizer05: Will do, got it open in a tab. Trying to do some more experimenting with bluez (MAP+PBAP).  Laptop constantly dropping bluetooth with bluez4 due to an issue with pulseaudio.  As a result its forced my hand to upgrade to bluez5 and a more recent pulseaudio, but that changes all obex related tests to obexctl.18:06
android_808All laptop side.18:06
DocScrutinizer05bluez is a nightmare18:07
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android_808Its a case of get on thing working, something stops.  Now testing has become harder because gnome3 & gvfs no longer does obex transfer/browsing from what I can tell (Archlinux+XFCE here)18:12
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DocScrutinizer05gvfs, another abomination18:21
DocScrutinizer05though, it can't be THAT bad, Poettering doesn't like it18:22
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android_808DocScrutinizer05: think i need to learn irc commands.  Thought i needed to do /query luf blabla.  Long message disappeared and just opened new dialog tab in hexchat :(18:23
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DocScrutinizer05some starting point:
DocScrutinizer05not ideal, but has some good info about freenode18:24
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DocScrutinizer05using a convenient IRC client also helps a lot18:25
DocScrutinizer05I dunno hexchat18:25
DocScrutinizer05I started with Konversation, and on maemo devices I always use xchat18:26
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DocScrutinizer05from android_808: HexChat 2.9.6 / Linux 3.12.0-1-ARCH [i686/800.50MHz/SMP]  I conclude you're using an android tablet18:27
DocScrutinizer05ooh, Archlinux18:28
DocScrutinizer05sorry ;-D18:28
android_808Will do later. Laptop running low on battery, charging phone because don't yet have Bluez5 and networking up and running again yet, needs more gnome stuff to work18:28
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android_808It wasn't a tablet, was my Eee 1000. battery died, but at least it charged N900. Off home to charge it18:37
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Gatta_Negrai assembled it18:38
Gatta_Negrait is as before :D18:38
Gatta_Negrai mean it boots. etc.18:39
Gatta_Negra(i did not expect stg. else )18:39
Gatta_NegraI am going afk, and I thank  you once again for all the help!18:39
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