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Palidatasheet for isp1704a:
PaliDocScrutinizer05 ^^^01:14
DocScrutinizer05yeah, known01:20
DocScrutinizer05thanks anyway01:20
DocScrutinizer05though, wait, do we have 1704a or 1707?01:21
DocScrutinizer05both are almost identical and we have the hw of one and the datasheet of the other01:21
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DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 2 jr users 1961249 20. Mai 2010  /home/jr/halley2/home/jr/Documents/N900/docs/hw/ISP1704A-datasheet.pdf01:24
DocScrutinizer05so I guess we have 170701:24
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DocScrutinizer05yup, 1707A01:29
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DocScrutinizer05/home/jr/halley2/home/jr/Documents/N900/n900/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_11.jpeg gives it away easily01:32
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DocScrutinizer05pali: in hidden/docs/ you find a newer version of same paper01:35
DocScrutinizer05Rev.03 - 15 Dec 200901:36
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qwerty123Hi . What should be ideal cpu usage of pulseaudio when playing media player? Mine is about 30.06:12
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brolin_empeyIs Psi under pressure? ;-)06:20
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Psino, im not  Quite relaxed really06:23
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reenignEesreveRwhat is the latest version of flasher? 3.5 or 3.12?09:19
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psycho_oreos3.5. 3.12 is not for fremantle.09:45
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rd1381hi can somebody help me with network wireless speed in n900?12:34
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vi__what is wrong withyour wireless speed?12:53
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rd1381vi__ : after connecting it stop downloading the apps13:12
rd1381it gets like 2 kb of app then gets stuck13:12
rd1381funny thing is at first its ok but after a while it gets stuck13:13
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rd1381any help?13:56
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reenignEesreveRwhen I try to install kernel-power, I start getting guru meditation issues. I flash back the kernel and it starts working. Maybe a multiboot issue. How do get to install kernel power ???14:08
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infobotmethinks multiboot is
sixwheeledbeastmhm... no warning that multiboot tears the eMMC to bits...14:14
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reenignEesreveRbut its the multiboot that isn't able to load the kernel power apparently :(14:24
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vi__use uboot.14:24
ApicYeah, multiboot is broken by Design.14:25
ApicFlashes the Kernel on _every_ Boot...14:26
vi__not really.  It was a good workaround at the time.14:26
rd1381could it be that i have hw problems so my wireless downloads gets stuck?14:28
sixwheeledbeastIIRC multiboot support for KP has been dropped.14:31
sixwheeledbeastrd1381: can you browse the web ok? how are you testing your "speed".14:33
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DocScrutinizer05Jeremiah answered \o/14:36
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rd1381the web browsing is buggy as well14:36
rd1381i dont mean slow14:36
rd1381i mean its  like package drop is high14:37
rd1381even connecting to google is not even 50/50 its like 20/8014:37
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DocScrutinizer05sounds like fux0red WLAN14:47
DocScrutinizer05check AP and PSM setting14:48
DocScrutinizer05duh, he left14:48
DocScrutinizer05drive by asker14:48
infobotmaemo-multiboot is, like, deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED14:49
DocScrutinizer05infobot: literal multiboot14:50
infobot"#maemo multiboot" is ""14:50
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DocScrutinizer05infobot: #maemo multiboot is also **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot14:51
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0514:51
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DocScrutinizer05infobot: literal multiboot14:53
infobot"#maemo multiboot" is ", or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot"14:53
reenignEesreveRsorry, was away14:53
reenignEesreveRthanks. uboot it is then?14:54
DocScrutinizer05  \o/14:54
DocScrutinizer05sometimes it feels good to be admin14:54
reenignEesreveRhow do i know if CSSU is installed or not?14:55
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DocScrutinizer05system settings14:56
DocScrutinizer05if it has "about CSSU" then... guess what14:56
reenignEesreveRright. so it says Version: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.114:58
DocScrutinizer05looks OK14:58
reenignEesreveRhow do i update to next stable one?14:58
DocScrutinizer05Latest version: Testing(2013-10-27): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.114:58
reenignEesreveRbut how do  i install it? I tried the installer script at the page, it opened the HAM but didn't do any updates14:59
DocScrutinizer05install what?14:59
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DocScrutinizer05read again!14:59
DocScrutinizer05Latest version: Testing(2013-10-27): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.115:00
reenignEesreveRaaaaaaaah. ..... oh ok15:00
reenignEesreveRi was like 2013 != 201115:00
reenignEesreveRstrange name they've got! thanks a lot :)15:00
reenignEesreveRso the only thing i need to do now is install kernel-power15:01
DocScrutinizer05this is the release of maemo stock it's based on15:01
reenignEesreveRuboot's desccription says its risky15:01
reenignEesreveRany other alternative?15:01
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DocScrutinizer05probably even last MAJOR release, for the 21.201115:01
DocScrutinizer05no, uBoot is da thing to go15:02
DocScrutinizer05compared to multiboot it#s safe as milk15:02
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DocScrutinizer05if you don't have thumb or other strange kernels installed already, then uBoot is absolutely safe15:03
DocScrutinizer05uBoot comes with default stock kernel, so no risk at all15:04
DocScrutinizer05if shit hits the fan, you simply flash the kernel you had before you installed uBoot (though there's little likelihood you have to, when you're using stock kernel before you install uBoot)15:05
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DocScrutinizer05but when you nstalled multiboot before, then VERY LIKELY you will end up with a system that's terribly broken and you'll need a complete reflash15:06
infobotsomebody said maemo-multiboot was deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED15:06
DocScrutinizer05only chance: *completely* roll back *all* changes multiboot did to your system, *before* you install uBoot15:07
reenignEesreveR"apt-get remove multiboot" would be sufficient?15:08
DocScrutinizer05uninstalling multiboot doesn't suffice since it doesn't uninstall cleanly, I heard15:08
reenignEesreveRwhats the easiest way to ensure?15:08
reenignEesreveRalready done that ... multiboot was still there15:08
reenignEesreveRerrr.... no wait15:09
reenignEesreveRi only reflashed the kernel15:09
reenignEesreveRso technically i didn't reflash to get rid of multiboot15:09
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DocScrutinizer05multiboot fscks up your init scripts and whatnot else15:09
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DocScrutinizer05reflash COMBINED15:10
reenignEesreveRwhats the easiest way to reflash and restore my data?15:13
DocScrutinizer05make a backup with stock (hildon) backup app, flash COMBINED (*not* VANILLA), re-install your apps list using the in backup app's restore function15:19
DocScrutinizer05if you got "manually" installed apps/programs (apt-get install or even dpkg) then you need to take care of those manualy after reflash, since odds are Hildon backup doesn't know about them15:20
reenignEesreveRlife is too short to make backups ... i tried installing uboot and it worked :P15:20
DocScrutinizer05you can check what's in your backup: a) it's a set of tarballs, and b) you can invoke backup restore and it will present you a list of apps it will restore15:21
DocScrutinizer05yeah, until you touch multiboot15:21
DocScrutinizer05first activity done by multiboot zombie will nuke your system now15:22
DocScrutinizer05one way or the other15:22
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reenignEesreveRis there a python library installer for maemo? pip or setuptools?16:15
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dackhey..  I discovered something great, but don't really want to sign up for an account on just for one post.  I was hoping someone here could spread the word...16:25
dackessentially, the mail client is incredibly slow for gmail, but I figured out how to fix it!16:26
dackthere's a setting in gmail to limit the number of emails in an IMAP folder to 1000 ( there's other values too)16:26
dackso, now my email is much much more responsive and an email loads up in seconds where before it was literally minutes16:27
dackwould someone please post that on the forums for other people to hear?16:27
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vi__where is this setting?16:35
vi__Also, can anyone name a decent alternative to gmail on account of the fact that google are really starting to suck farts as of late.16:36
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wndvi__, gmail -> gear icon at top left -> settings -> forwarding and pop/imap -> imap access -> folder size limits16:41
wndtop right, that is16:41
wnd(the other left)16:41
DocScrutinizer05the left left over after left left16:45
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reenignEesreveRwhich theme do you personally prefer on n900?17:03
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wndNokia Nseries, with Character (image set) as background image. yes I know I'm boring.17:07
reenignEesreveRdo themes affect responsiveness of device?17:08
wndI'm not sure, but as n900 uses gtk, I suppose a less/more demanding theme could be created (namely by using an engine faster/slower than sapwood17:13
wndalso the theme style can be more/less complex, and use images of different dimensions. I /guess/ gtk encodes the images only once and keeps the uncompressed data in memory.17:15
wnderm, decodes17:15
wndseems that I have a day of opposites17:15
reenignEesreveRbtw the font sizes are small for me ... can i make font sizes a bit larger? esp. of the browser?17:21
wndsorry, I can't remember and I have to be on my way now17:23
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sixwheeledbeastreenignEesreveR: for version info see ~getversion17:32
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DocScrutinizer05moin Woody1461920:40
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ShadowJKwnd; browser - options - adjust view - text size21:02
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infobotpkg is probably
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DocScrutinizer05hi ShadowJK22:18
DocScrutinizer05somebody suggested to rather use a second uSD tray instead of eMMC. What's your atke?22:18
NeutrinoPowerhi, I can't use the mass-storage mode because the storage is in use but fuser /home/user/MyDocs/ gives nothing but "umount: can't umount /home/user/MyDocs: Device or resource busy"22:24
sonoemmc would be more resilient and reliable, probably cheaper too?22:26
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sixwheeledbeastextra uSD tray would mean easy replacement of flash memory. Would it reduce cost of device?22:39
StyXmanI think the board will become outdated (for some values of that) before the eMMC fails or becomes too small22:41
sonowhereas uSD will fail due to lack of wear levelling if you don't use a flash filesystem, and die from dust and shock before that22:42
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sonothen again, i am only a software guy. what do i know?22:43
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sonooh hey, it appears that uSD does usually have integrated wear levelling after all.22:46
sonoup to the card manufacturer, aparrently22:47
SpeedEvilsono: No.22:49
SpeedEvilsono: You can't make a uSD or indeed a SD without wear leveling.22:49
SpeedEvilAs it pretty much means your card will start out witl large amounts of errors, and gain more rapidly during life.22:49
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DocScrutinizer05first thing to notice: eMMC afaik has 8 bit interface, uSD has 4 bit22:51
sixwheeledbeastIt will also make it easier to transfer everything to new HW if required. I think it's a great idea, if there are no side effects.22:51
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NeutrinoPowerwhen the display turn off the vnc-session is black too... :-(22:54
DocScrutinizer05LOL, sure22:54
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sonoSpeedEvil: right, how silly of me.22:55
sonowouldn't eMMC connect to some sort of GPMC, and uSD to some sort of SPI-like interface?22:56
DocScrutinizer05basically yes22:56
sonoat least something i learned from our EE guys22:57
SpeedEvilI thought eMMC was basically MMC22:57
SpeedEvilWhich is pretty similar to SD22:57
DocScrutinizer05hmm yes, kinda, but wider bus22:57
SpeedEvilMMC to make it 8 ...22:57
SpeedEvilThough SDXC? is also8 bit. (or can be)22:57
DocScrutinizer05no SDXC on OMAP322:58
DocScrutinizer05no idea how they cram 8 bit on 9 pads23:01
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, 8 pads23:02
DocScrutinizer05-gnd -VDD = 623:02
DocScrutinizer05eMMC has 8 data-I/O, clk, CMD, and of course power supply23:04
DocScrutinizer05I guess it must be faster than uSD23:05
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