IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-11-11

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sledgesDocScrutinizer05: do you know any good phone hardware issues troubleshooting channels/forums ? suffering with friend's HTC dying here00:42
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DocScrutinizer05ummm, only for Openmoko and N900 devices00:44
DocScrutinizer05which doesn't mean others doesn't exist or even that they might be hard to find - I simply never searched for any such channel00:45
sledgesunderstandable :)00:47
xessledges: no idea about channels but many htc dying are suffering bga soldering issues ..00:47
sledgessounds like the one00:48
sledgesi took it all apart, and it booted!00:48
sledgesput it all back - same deady bootloop00:48
sledgesxes: ^00:48
jon_ywell, keep it apart :)00:48
sledgesjon_y: took apart again ofc right after00:49
sledgesno luck this time :{00:49
jon_yshouldn't have combined it then00:49
sledges:D yes, bring the exploded device to my mate tomorrow :))00:49
sledgesalso, trying not to let my hand off pressing the battery in place, sleepless night forecast :)))00:50
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sledgeswill just try to put it in the oven00:59
sledgesand afterwards into the freezer compartment00:59
sledgesa good gas mark for the reference? :))00:59
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sixwheeledbeastmmm, 6? ;)01:07
sixwheeledbeastwhen it's juices run clear you know it's done.01:08
sledgesi like it raw raw ooh lah lah01:09
sixwheeledbeastmmm blue steak.01:10
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sledgesoperation 'frozen steak' didn't work, oh well, good night :)02:01
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DocScrutinizer05freezing doesn't help for sure02:16
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DocScrutinizer05250°C pot/pan with sand, heat that for 1h+ till it's absolutely equal temperature everywhere. Then place the PCB into the sand for ~5min, maybe 10, then take out of the oven and let cool it in the sand for a few minutes, then place on a newspaper and cover with another newspaper02:18
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nox-..and then try to get rid of the smell in the oven? :)02:32
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DocScrutinizer05well, I don't use oven for such jobs02:37
DocScrutinizer05this is what I've read in a german computer mag special issue about hw hacks02:37
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DocScrutinizer05I'd use a steel box and my reflow hot air tool02:38
DocScrutinizer05or even just the reflow tool to specifically heat up the chips, but you need to pre-heat the PC for that to work02:39
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DocScrutinizer05ideally you find a electronics lab shop that can reflow the thing for you, shouldn't cost more than 1h of craftsmanship fees02:56
DocScrutinizer05which otoh is maybe already too much in relation to the value of the used HTC02:56
Gh0stynothing like a pizza with pcb and solder taste :p03:05
DocScrutinizer05add a bit of scorched newspaper03:08
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DocScrutinizer05when I been 7 years old, I found out that old bread rolls could get 'recycled' when you wrap them into wet paper before placing them in the oven. I used newspaper which gave a funny tase03:09
DocScrutinizer05taste even03:10
DocScrutinizer05been quite exciting since I didn't know if the paper might catch fire in the oven03:10
DocScrutinizer05(now I'm sure it couldn't, but back when I been 7 y o...)03:11
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Gh0stywell dont know about the oven03:12
Gh0stybut my uncle who was like a former bakery helper03:13
Gh0styswore that the best way to keep stuff crunchy when put in the freezer or fridge03:13
Gh0styis wrap in newspaper03:13
Gh0styno idea why though :)03:14
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rajeshindiagood morning05:16
rajeshindiagot problem with yappari05:16
rajeshindiaim not able to get log file from filebox. how can i get it from x terminal?  not connecting. cant resolve DNS error. DNS problem.05:17
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rajeshkonniyappari help05:46
rajeshkonnianyone here?05:47
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rajeshkonniany help05:50
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SpeedEvilAh - sorry - no idea.05:52
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rajeshkonniim not able to get log file from filebox. how can i get it from x terminal?  not connecting. cant resolve DNS error. DNS problem.  any idea?05:53
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robbiethe1stdns issues? try pinging your site from the terminal - ping site.com06:03
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rajeshkonnineed help for whatsapp07:20
rajeshkonniim not able to get log file from filebox. how can i get it from x terminal?  not connecting. cant resolve DNS error. DNS problem.  any idea?07:21
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vi__freemangordon: y u no support treepad?12:47
vi__it is better than for dos.12:48
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drathirany trusted and reccomended phone repair service in poland... ?17:56
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arceandrathir: n900 or n9?18:09
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drathirarcean: n90018:29
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drathirin my last chance i ask in nokia repair service, but first better to ask about trusted one repair services, because dont want go to first better to crash more than is now...18:36
arceandrathir: register and send PM to this guy
drathirarcean: ok thanks a lot...18:38
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arceanhe works in Nokia service in Krakow18:38
drathirarcean: O.o thats great... Amazing that nokia service ppl also join community forums and help users thats is great...18:42
arceanyeah. He's recovered a lot of N900 with broken/missing USB18:43
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drathirmine that what i can see should be easy to repair only new fresh port is needed but sadly dont have profesional equipment to do this by myself, and buy all staff to fix is little weak idea...18:47
drathirsomeone who do that more often have profesional eq and i suppose better skils make all look after fix much prettier than if i will try to repair first time...18:50
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deepyI find that my phone tends to take a lot of breathing pauses and the browser is incredibly slow (4+ seconds to load google, even on wifi). Am I doing something wrong or is there something I can check?19:12
ApicI use Fennec as Browser Replacement19:13
ApicYou could check 'top' for CPU-Hogs... my N900 does not seem to take "Breathing Pauses"19:14
deepyoops, just missed my bus stop19:16
ApicShift happens. ;-)19:16
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deepyoh, I do not have CSSU19:18
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DocScrutinizer05HAPPY 4th BIRTHDAY, dear N90019:26
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DocScrutinizer05Release date11 November 200919:27
NIN1014 years, still the best :-)19:27
* anYc hugs his n90019:27
* Apic hugs his one too.19:28
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* mashina_ hugs his19:29
DocScrutinizer05deepy: check size of eventlogger files:  ls -l ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el*19:33
DocScrutinizer05deepy: anything >1MB is really way too much, and eats your RAM causing everything else getting slow due to excessive swapping19:35
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brolin_empeyNIN101: The Nokia N900 does not support the UMTS bands used by Telus Mobility, Bell Mobility, and all of both of their MVNOs in Canada.19:40
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* brolin_empey meant the MVNOs of both Telus Mobility and Bell Mobility.19:41
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: hmm19:42
brolin_empeyThe Nokia N9 does support these UMTS bands, though.19:43
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DocScrutinizer05well, what does that mean to us?19:43
drathirDocScrutinizer05: yea gz19:45
DocScrutinizer05~wtf gz19:45
infobotGee...  I don't know what gz means...19:45
drathiri think n900 is the best universal phone that was made in history...19:46
* Apic 219:47
drathirDocScrutinizer05: mean me too gratz for 4 years of n900...19:48
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: It means that I cannot recommend the Nokia N900 to many persons in Canada unless they are willing to switch to a different cellular service provider.19:50
drathirinfobot: learn that gz mean congratulation19:50
DocScrutinizer05Neo900 is going to replace N900 on "the best universal phone"19:50
HerbstfreudHope so19:50
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drathirDocScrutinizer05: yea goin to populate on twitter little more...19:51
drathirbecause neo900 looks interesting...19:51
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DocScrutinizer05well, for N900 fans it should, yeah19:52
HerbstfreudFor others... ... ... nevermind.19:52
DocScrutinizer05we don't need those "y U don't capacitive touch?"19:53
drathirbrolin_empey: that is issue a litte mord with mobile provider to not cross cell frequencies than n900...19:53
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: please provide exact data on bands available in Canada so we can take care to pick/suggest right modem for Neo900 owners19:54
drathirDocScrutinizer05: for me screen is great i can always do something with my nails when my fingers are not so clean...19:55
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: AFAIK, the Nokia N900 does not support HSPA in Canada either, at least not with Fido Mobile.  AFAIK, I can use only EDGE or lower (slower).19:56
drathirthe screens that i cant do that for me really bad one...19:57
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: that doesn't help much to pick the right bands for the Neo900 modem19:58
drathirbut yes modern gsm/umts/lte reciver with less power usage will be great...19:59
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drathirbecause gsm data on-line connection is deadly for battery...20:00
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I wish I could have a Nokia N900 or a Neo900 with the integrated slide-out hardware/physical keyboard of the Nokia C6-00, which uses Symbian OS crapware.20:03
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DocScrutinizer05actually UMTS is deadly20:03
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: sorry, we won't support that20:04
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DocScrutinizer05I also wish we could build Neo900 into a N950 case with better keycaps that are not as flat as the original ones, plus a touchscreen that actually works with stylus and fingernails.20:06
DocScrutinizer05but that's jsut dreaming20:06
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HerbstfreudNever seen a N950 in real life.20:10
DocScrutinizer05so let's focus on what we actually *can* do - e.g. find a modem module that works just great for all you guys over the pond in the Americas20:10
HerbstfreudI think the existence of it is a myth.20:11
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deepyhow's the keyboard compared to the N900?20:11
DocScrutinizer05terribly poor ergonimics, due to the completely flat keycaps20:13
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: I wish the Nokia N950 had been publicly released because I want a Nokia N950 but not a Nokia N9.  I cannot stand trying to use a virtual/software keyboard on a capacitive touch screen.20:13
DocScrutinizer05almost impossible to type blindly20:13
DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: it seems like 10% of N950 suffer from display defects after a few months, due to the slider mech20:14
DocScrutinizer05allegedly carriers rejected the N950 due to poor build quality in kbd or slider mech20:16
DocScrutinizer05at least street gossip has that rumour20:16
wmaronethat was the rumor years ago20:16
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HerbstfreudSo in summary... The N900 case is more robust.20:19
DocScrutinizer05we seen "lots" of reports about black stipes in display, where the hinge pushes back of LCD20:19
DocScrutinizer05Herbstfreud: way more, yes20:20
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: s/stipes/stripes/ ?20:20
DocScrutinizer05also opening the "slide" in N950 is actually an annoyance that makes your finger hurt and can get done only using both your hands20:20
HerbstfreudAnd it is really robust. I have two N900, the backup one looks like a T-34 rolled over it - but it still works. ;)20:21
HerbstfreudDon't know what the last owner did with it...20:22
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure N950 can't pass drop tests20:22
DocScrutinizer05particularly when opened - which is unfortunate since you drop it on a 50% probability when trying to open it one-handed20:23
HerbstfreudOh, that's a pity... I always thougkt about the N950 as a better N900. But I was never allowed to affirm this. ;)20:23
DocScrutinizer05you need like 500g force to make the display snap up and open, and then that force suddenly reduces and display snaps up and whole device hops out of your palm and straight on the floor, opened20:25
brolin_empeyHerbstfreud: I am guessing that a T-34 is not a type of Torx screw?20:25
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sixwheeledbeastI prefer the flat sliding mechanism of the N900 myself.20:25
DocScrutinizer05I guess it's a tank20:25
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Herbstfreudbrolin_empey: No, not really... ;)20:26
HerbstfreudIt's like a Zenit/Zorki... But for shooting, not for shooting. ;)20:26
HerbstfreudHm, offtopic. The N900 looks really really bad. ;)20:27
brolin_empeyHerbstfreud: T43 may be a model of ThinkPad too.20:28
Herbstfreudbrolin_empey: Yes, T43. Not T-34.20:29
HerbstfreudHad a T43 one year ago, it was e really nice machine.20:29
brolin_empeyHerbstfreud: Yes, I noticed that I seem to be dyslexic this morning. ;-)20:30
HerbstfreudAND there is a chinese constructor building a new mainboard for the T4x series - for modern hardware. :)20:30
* brolin_empey meant T34 , not T43 .20:31
HerbstfreudA Thinkpad T34 never existed.20:32
HerbstfreudBut that's really offtopic. ^^20:33
DocScrutinizer05~wiki t-3420:33
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the Soviet medium tank|other uses|T34 (disambiguation)}} {{Infobox Weapon | name=T-34 | image= | caption= A T-34-85 tank on display at Musée des Blindés in April 2007. | origin=Soviet Union | type=Medium tank | is_vehicle=yes | service= 1940–present | used_by= Soviet Union and 39 others | wars= World War II, and many others | designer= KMDB | design_date= 1937–1940 | ...20:33
DocScrutinizer05no, legit discrimination of french gibberish ;-P20:35
HerbstfreudSo now you can compare with the other soviet tank-like shooting machine:
HerbstfreudQuite similar, I think. I love this one. ;)20:37
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: No Français pour vous?20:38
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DocScrutinizer05Je n'aime pas parler francais20:44
DocScrutinizer05Et je ne comprends bien20:45
DocScrutinizer05and it gives me that weird feeling in my guts20:45
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brolin_empeyHerbstfreud: Writing of shooting:  If (a source port of?) Quake III: Arena can run on the Nokia N900, maybe (a source port of?) Doom 3 can run on the Nokia N900 too?20:47
DocScrutinizer05Herbstfreud: AAAH! :-D20:47
DocScrutinizer05is the "Lomo" in "belomo" coincidence or actually something expected?20:49
drathirram needed...20:49
Herbstfreudbrolin_empey: I have no idea, never played any game on my mobile devices... But Q3A (1999) and Doom 3 (2004) are not really comparable, aren't they?20:49
HerbstfreudDocScrutinizer05: Bolomo and Lomo are different things.20:50
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drathirwhen gpu will asist with graphics why not but ram i think is the weakest thing...20:50
* DocScrutinizer05 just wondered if it maybe has a meaning20:50
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HerbstfreudI don't suppose the soviets could imagine what kind of hype the Lomo LC-A is causing today.20:53
HerbstfreudActually it's crap. ;)20:53
HerbstfreudBut the Zenits from KMZ are shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting... And aeons are passing... And the camera still works. ;)20:54
BCMMbrolin_empey: cant' tell if that's a joke, but quake3 and doom3 have radically different system requirements20:54
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BCMMi remember being able to play quake3 on full everything on hardware that couldn't play doom3 at greater-than-unity FPS20:55
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: q3 will run on a 233MHz MMX??? wow20:57
HerbstfreudNo... Not comparable.21:00
DocScrutinizer05well, comparable liek... a trike and a T-34 ;-P21:05
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keriodoom 3 is the same engine as quake 4 iirc21:35
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brolin_empeyBCMM: I was serious.21:51
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brolin_empeykerio: Yes, Doom 3 and Quake 4 both use the id Tech 4 engine.  The Doom 3 source code was publicly released under the terms of the GNU GPL in 2011-11 but, AFAIK, the Quake 4 source code has not been publicly released.  Has it?21:59
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