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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; i'd like dual usd trays. however, if you look at raspberrypi, people buy the shittiest possible usd that at best works a couple days before corrupting05:53
ShadowJKbut then again, I'd have more faith in myself being able to select a good uSD than someone else selecting a good emmc05:53
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ShadowJKget the same emmc as in nexus 7.2013 :)))05:55
ShadowJKit's good05:55
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troulouliou_devhi sometimes the phone apps freeze in "on screen" minimized mode; i have this issue since i switched to cssu testing10:43
troulouliou_devany ideas ?10:43
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EgSKollege dazu: Da Google kein Extra-Doodle anzeigt, ist heute ein ganz gewöhnlicher "Ich-Lauf-Amok-Tag" (Hallo NSA) :D12:47
EgSallmost :)12:47
EgSwell that was obviously the wrong channel... that was the joking response of someone to the fact that today is world kindness day... sorry for that ;)
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FIQso donating to the neo900 project sends a physicl invoice or a mail one? just wondering why address is needed14:14
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ: address needed for later shipping. invoice is a mail16:15
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: Neo900 donation is the only "product" of goldeliCo that doesn't instantly deliver material goods16:16
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FIQDocScrutinizer05: I see16:23
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FIQall right then, yes I was rather confused as it isn't a (guranteed) preorder16:24
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ: we didn't find an insurance that would contract us and cover our ass when/IF we run into some terrible mishap, like "all sources decided to not ship DM3730 anymore"16:26
DocScrutinizer05but our calculations stand: we can reach MP readiness for 25k, so even when such mishap/disaster happened to us imediately after we reached MP ready and before we can start MP, the coverage is already 35/25 (I.E. we would've used up 25k of the already raised 35k donations). We would pay back the remaining 10k in that case16:29
FIQmakes sense16:29
DocScrutinizer05MP itself is insured by fab, no risk there :-D16:30
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dos1is there some way to flash bootloader/kernel from running n900? (without usb and pc)19:51
dos1(yes/no will be enough ;))19:51
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bef0rdI think there is dos120:05
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BCMMdos1: the kernel can certainly be updated by the package manager. however, i'm not sure what "flashing the bootloader" entails20:06
bef0rdNOLO maybe? not sure if that can be replaced20:06
bef0rd i guess Pali knows better20:07
freemangordonbef0rd: NOLO is on NAND20:08
freemangordonso I see no reason why it couldn;t be flashed20:08
bef0rdfreemangordon: ah, but is there a replacement? I remember installing uboot on N900 by stskeeps, not sure if it "replaced" nolo, or just installed itself after NOLO (chained loaded?)20:11
freemangordonuboot on n900 is like linux kernel20:11
freemangordonit can;t replace NOLO20:11
freemangordon(so far)20:11
freemangordonbef0rd: BTW if you're going to install u-boot, use Pali's one20:12
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Palifreemangordon: what about deleting all other uboot versions from extras repo?20:12
bef0rdoh, no, I'm just asking because of dos1's question :)20:12
freemangordonPali: well, raise the question to the council20:13
freemangordonotherwise it sounds sane to me20:13
freemangordonPali: or open a thread on TMO, I'll add my +1 to it20:14
zamn900I want to kill all the@workless tasks as I must go out and use my phone just for phone... and kill also daemons... please don't tell me about the switch between tablet and phone20:18
freemangordonzamn900: you want to do what?20:19
freemangordonI can;t parse " all the@workless tasks"20:19
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zamn900I want to kill all the workless tasks as I must go out and use my phone just for phone... and kill also daemons... please don't tell me about the switch between tablet and phone20:20
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freemangordonzamn900: do you have some real problem with background tasks, or you thunk it will be cool to leave only ome application running?20:21
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* sono recommends optimizen90020:22
zamn900I don't think... I must have my n900 with battery alive for long20:22
* sono also runs, ducks, and dives away from freemangordon's bullets20:22
* freemangordon recommends to not install anything but swappolube20:23
sonozamn900: switch to GSM only, let it sleep when it wants to.20:23
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sonoundervolt, underclock20:23
zamn900I have already followed that guide about battery life20:23
freemangordonzamn900: what guide?20:23
zamn900included gsm20:23
zamn900on n900 please I don't find the guide20:24
freemangordonzamn900: what is your problem?20:24
freemangordonbad battery life?20:24
* sono checks out swappolube20:24
zamn900well...if possible I want to create a profile for being with less tasks than possible20:25
sono<- new user since 2-3 months20:25
freemangordonzamn900: I got that, but wonder why you would want to do that20:25
sonozamn900: as we explained to you before, the number of tasks is largely irrelevant20:25
sonozamn900: we had this discussion a week? ago20:25
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zamn900maybe is battey old... but killing tasks would help20:26
freemangordonzamn900: no, it will not20:26
zamn900I mean I don't have to explain20:26
freemangordonthe major consumers are display and radios20:26
freemangordonzamn900: how old is your battery?20:27
zamn900but I am pretty sure that killing tasks helps to battery life20:27
sonogo ahead and buy a shotgun, then. i already lost patience last time20:27
freemangordonzamn900: that helps only if you have a runaway process20:27
zamn900idk how old it is lol20:27
freemangordonwell, buy a new battery before heading to the road of reflash20:28
zamn900freemangordon, I am not kidding as you are20:28
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* sono really has to do more with the n900 sometime20:28
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freemangordonzamn900: Am I kidding?20:28
freemangordonI don;t thinks so, I really recommend you to buy a new battery20:29
bef0rdmost of the process/daemons are required for phone functionality I guess20:29
freemangordonBatteries tend to lose capacity with the age20:29
freemangordonbef0rd: :nod:20:29
sonobesides, a sleeping process eats exactly zero memory unless you can partially power down dram20:30
sonowhich the n900 probably cannot20:30
freemangordonthough I guess trackerd could be cilled, along with a couple of other daemons20:30
freemangordonsono: correct, it is usually in some select()20:30
freemangordonor the likes20:31
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ShadowJKin dram refresh, battery life is on order of weeks20:32
ShadowJKAlso, I get a new battery every 18 months20:33
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* sono clicks around in swappolube20:34
freemangordonsono: be careful20:34
freemangordonsono: the things I'd recommend to change are:20:35
freemangordonswappiness to 3020:35
sonolooks like a bunch of sysfs parameters in a ui20:35
freemangordonnr_requests to 51220:36
freemangordonI guess ShadowJK will disagree here :)20:36
sonoproposed is 128, yea20:37
freemangordonsoltys: oh, and page-cluster to 020:37
freemangordonsono: ^^^20:37
sonolow-traffic here =)20:37
freemangordon128 is too low IMO20:38
freemangordonI did a lot of testing some 2-3 years ago, 512 was the pest trade between speed and responsiveness20:38
freemangordonfor my use cases ofc20:39
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freemangordonbest even20:39
sonowhy do you recommend laptop_mode=120:39
sonommc0 is the internal nand?20:39
freemangordonI don;t20:39
sonono, it20:39
sonommc1 is the uSD?20:39
freemangordonanyway, GF is calling, gtg, bye20:40
zamn900I found now this20:42
zamn900sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches20:43
ShadowJKpointless :)20:45
sonowell well, a few tuned kernel parameters20:45
sonolet's see if i notice the changes20:45
zamn900does it?20:46
sonoor if i at least placebo notice the noticing of the changes.20:46
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zamn900the battery patch does not work anymore20:54
ShadowJKit never worked lol20:55
ShadowJKsame for speedpatch.20:55
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lexik*never* use speed patch & battery patch :P21:04
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freemangordonzamn900: where did you got batterysuckpatch from?21:09
freemangordonafaik it was removed from the repos21:09
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zamn900swappolube is all I wanted21:18
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freemangordonguys, any idea?
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freemangordonShadowJK: Pali: DocScrutinizer05: ^^^23:18
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freemangordonIt was a while I flashed for a last time, I am afraid that I may give the guy wrong advices23:19
DocScrutinizer05eventually I'll kick this zammy guy23:21
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DocScrutinizer05meh, battery defect23:25
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what about that guy who has trouble flashing?23:26
freemangordonany idea?23:26
DocScrutinizer05meh, battery defect23:26
freemangordonyep, I thought the same as device enters ACT_DEAD mode23:27
DocScrutinizer05both flashes seem to have succeeded, so I don't see any problem other than hardware23:27
* DocScrutinizer05 is waiting til some fool siggests coldflashing23:28
freemangordonalready suggested :D23:28
DocScrutinizer05terribly damaged NAND might be another explanation23:29
freemangordonhmm, no, I am wrong23:29
DocScrutinizer05too many bad blocks23:29
freemangordonto enter ACT_DEAD?23:29
freemangordonI doubt23:29
DocScrutinizer05nah, to reboot23:29
freemangordonit enters ACT_DEAD mode23:29
DocScrutinizer05I don't see act_dead happening23:29
DocScrutinizer05he says he sees 5 dots, then dcreen dims, then 2 yellow flashes and reboot23:30
freemangordonsee that post23:30
DocScrutinizer05no, I'm only reading last report23:30
freemangordonwell, see that one :)23:30
freemangordonanyway, I am out of time23:31
DocScrutinizer05random noise23:32
DocScrutinizer05doesn't tell me anything except that the dude seems to have bought a device with HW defect, caused by overvoltage or sttaic discharge or whatever23:32
DocScrutinizer05he reflashed, device boots normal, deevice enters first-boot optification, device reboots23:33
freemangordonyep :(23:33
DocScrutinizer05irrelevant what happened before he reflashed23:34
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xesmy opinion is batt voltage too low. I can remember the same behavior with my old battery. I enabled framebuffer and the reboot cause was the voltage too low23:38
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xesPali: have you tried my trojita build for fremantle? i have just played a little with it....and seems to work not too bad. But qml interface needs a lot of work to fit the N900. Who may have experience with it?23:43
PaliI started it and there was problem with resolution23:44
Palibut looks like it worked23:44
PaliI do not know how has experience with it23:44
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DocScrutinizer05 always makes me want a t-shirt   "I survived a hard software workshop"23:46
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DocScrutinizer05xes: exactly! and hi! :)23:47
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xesPali: i have tried an imap account with ssl and many many folders and it pretty good behavior (excluding theme)23:48
xeshi DocScrutinizer05!23:48
DocScrutinizer05what's trojita?23:48
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DocScrutinizer05sounds like a dangerous mexican weapon23:49
DocScrutinizer05or maybe a drink?23:50
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xesDocScrutinizer05: a qml imap client that so far was available only for harmattan or desktop23:52
DocScrutinizer05dang, freemangordon beat me on quoting you23:52
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DocScrutinizer05qml on desktop? O tempora, oh mores!23:53
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe it makes more sense on desktop than on resource-limited embedded, anyway23:54
xeswould you try my first fremantle build? Do you feel brave? Here it is:
DocScrutinizer05you might have guessed already: I don't like the concept of java and/or qml apps23:55
DocScrutinizer05xes: sorry, I don't use any mail on N90023:55
DocScrutinizer05I'd give a poor tester23:55
DocScrutinizer05but I bet a zillion happy users will welcome an alternative to modest23:56
DocScrutinizer05you should consider copying account settings from modest and then kicking modest with the huge boot and replace it by trojita23:57
DocScrutinizer05at very least make sure modest is no longer called every so often to check for mails23:57

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