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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; i'd like dual usd trays. however, if you look at raspberrypi, people buy the shittiest possible usd that at best works a couple days before corrupting | 05:53 |
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| ShadowJK | but then again, I'd have more faith in myself being able to select a good uSD than someone else selecting a good emmc | 05:53 |
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| ShadowJK | get the same emmc as in nexus 7.2013 :))) | 05:55 |
| ShadowJK | it's good | 05:55 |
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| troulouliou_dev | hi sometimes the phone apps freeze in "on screen" minimized mode; i have this issue since i switched to cssu testing | 10:43 |
| troulouliou_dev | any ideas ? | 10:43 |
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| EgS | Kollege dazu: Da Google kein Extra-Doodle anzeigt, ist heute ein ganz gewöhnlicher "Ich-Lauf-Amok-Tag" (Hallo NSA) :D | 12:47 |
| EgS | allmost :) | 12:47 |
| EgS | well that was obviously the wrong channel... that was the joking response of someone to the fact that today is world kindness day... sorry for that ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Kindness_Day | 12:51 |
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| FIQ | so donating to the neo900 project sends a physicl invoice or a mail one? just wondering why address is needed | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: address needed for later shipping. invoice is a mail | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: Neo900 donation is the only "product" of goldeliCo that doesn't instantly deliver material goods | 16:16 |
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| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: I see | 16:23 |
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| FIQ | all right then, yes I was rather confused as it isn't a (guranteed) preorder | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: we didn't find an insurance that would contract us and cover our ass when/IF we run into some terrible mishap, like "all sources decided to not ship DM3730 anymore" | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but our calculations stand: we can reach MP readiness for 25k, so even when such mishap/disaster happened to us imediately after we reached MP ready and before we can start MP, the coverage is already 35/25 (I.E. we would've used up 25k of the already raised 35k donations). We would pay back the remaining 10k in that case | 16:29 |
| FIQ | makes sense | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MP itself is insured by fab, no risk there :-D | 16:30 |
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| dos1 | is there some way to flash bootloader/kernel from running n900? (without usb and pc) | 19:51 |
| dos1 | (yes/no will be enough ;)) | 19:51 |
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| bef0rd | I think there is dos1 | 20:05 |
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| BCMM | dos1: the kernel can certainly be updated by the package manager. however, i'm not sure what "flashing the bootloader" entails | 20:06 |
| bef0rd | NOLO maybe? not sure if that can be replaced | 20:06 |
| bef0rd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80840 i guess Pali knows better | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | bef0rd: NOLO is on NAND | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | so I see no reason why it couldn;t be flashed | 20:08 |
| zamn900 | hello | 20:09 |
| bef0rd | freemangordon: ah, but is there a replacement? I remember installing uboot on N900 by stskeeps, not sure if it "replaced" nolo, or just installed itself after NOLO (chained loaded?) | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | uboot on n900 is like linux kernel | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | it can;t replace NOLO | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | (so far) | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | bef0rd: BTW if you're going to install u-boot, use Pali's one | 20:12 |
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| Pali | freemangordon: what about deleting all other uboot versions from extras repo? | 20:12 |
| bef0rd | oh, no, I'm just asking because of dos1's question :) | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | Pali: well, raise the question to the council | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | otherwise it sounds sane to me | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | Pali: or open a thread on TMO, I'll add my +1 to it | 20:14 |
| zamn900 | I want to kill all the@workless tasks as I must go out and use my phone just for phone... and kill also daemons... please don't tell me about the switch between tablet and phone | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | zamn900: you want to do what? | 20:19 |
| freemangordon | I can;t parse " all the@workless tasks" | 20:19 |
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| zamn900 | I want to kill all the workless tasks as I must go out and use my phone just for phone... and kill also daemons... please don't tell me about the switch between tablet and phone | 20:20 |
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| freemangordon | zamn900: do you have some real problem with background tasks, or you thunk it will be cool to leave only ome application running? | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | *one | 20:21 |
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| * sono recommends optimizen900 | 20:22 | |
| zamn900 | I don't think... I must have my n900 with battery alive for long | 20:22 |
| * sono also runs, ducks, and dives away from freemangordon's bullets | 20:22 | |
| * freemangordon recommends to not install anything but swappolube | 20:23 | |
| sono | zamn900: switch to GSM only, let it sleep when it wants to. | 20:23 |
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| sono | undervolt, underclock | 20:23 |
| zamn900 | I have already followed that guide about battery life | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | zamn900: what guide? | 20:23 |
| zamn900 | included gsm | 20:23 |
| zamn900 | on n900 please I don't find the guide | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | zamn900: what is your problem? | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | bad battery life? | 20:24 |
| * sono checks out swappolube | 20:24 | |
| zamn900 | well...if possible I want to create a profile for being with less tasks than possible | 20:25 |
| sono | <- new user since 2-3 months | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | zamn900: I got that, but wonder why you would want to do that | 20:25 |
| sono | zamn900: as we explained to you before, the number of tasks is largely irrelevant | 20:25 |
| sono | zamn900: we had this discussion a week? ago | 20:25 |
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| zamn900 | maybe is battey old... but killing tasks would help | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | zamn900: no, it will not | 20:26 |
| zamn900 | I mean I don't have to explain | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | the major consumers are display and radios | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | zamn900: how old is your battery? | 20:27 |
| zamn900 | but I am pretty sure that killing tasks helps to battery life | 20:27 |
| sono | go ahead and buy a shotgun, then. i already lost patience last time | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | zamn900: that helps only if you have a runaway process | 20:27 |
| zamn900 | idk how old it is lol | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | well, buy a new battery before heading to the road of reflash | 20:28 |
| zamn900 | freemangordon, I am not kidding as you are | 20:28 |
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| * sono really has to do more with the n900 sometime | 20:28 | |
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| freemangordon | zamn900: Am I kidding? | 20:28 |
| sono | plonktime | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | I don;t thinks so, I really recommend you to buy a new battery | 20:29 |
| bef0rd | most of the process/daemons are required for phone functionality I guess | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | Batteries tend to lose capacity with the age | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | bef0rd: :nod: | 20:29 |
| sono | besides, a sleeping process eats exactly zero memory unless you can partially power down dram | 20:30 |
| sono | which the n900 probably cannot | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | though I guess trackerd could be cilled, along with a couple of other daemons | 20:30 |
| sono | s/memory/energy | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | sono: correct, it is usually in some select() | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | or the likes | 20:31 |
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| ShadowJK | in dram refresh, battery life is on order of weeks | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | Also, I get a new battery every 18 months | 20:33 |
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| * sono clicks around in swappolube | 20:34 | |
| freemangordon | sono: be careful | 20:34 |
| sono | sure | 20:35 |
| freemangordon | sono: the things I'd recommend to change are: | 20:35 |
| freemangordon | swappiness to 30 | 20:35 |
| sono | looks like a bunch of sysfs parameters in a ui | 20:35 |
| freemangordon | nr_requests to 512 | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | I guess ShadowJK will disagree here :) | 20:36 |
| sono | proposed is 128, yea | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | soltys: oh, and page-cluster to 0 | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | sono: ^^^ | 20:37 |
| sono | mhm | 20:37 |
| sono | low-traffic here =) | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | 128 is too low IMO | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | I did a lot of testing some 2-3 years ago, 512 was the pest trade between speed and responsiveness | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | for my use cases ofc | 20:39 |
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| freemangordon | best even | 20:39 |
| sono | why do you recommend laptop_mode=1 | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | me? | 20:39 |
| sono | mmc0 is the internal nand? | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | I don;t | 20:39 |
| sono | no, it | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 20:39 |
| sono | mmc1 is the uSD? | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | anyway, GF is calling, gtg, bye | 20:40 |
| sono | bai | 20:40 |
| zamn900 | I found now this | 20:42 |
| zamn900 | sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | pointless :) | 20:45 |
| sono | well well, a few tuned kernel parameters | 20:45 |
| sono | let's see if i notice the changes | 20:45 |
| zamn900 | does it? | 20:46 |
| sono | or if i at least placebo notice the noticing of the changes. | 20:46 |
| zamn900 | http://shootspeak.com/2010/12/05/nokia-n900-performance-tweaks/ | 20:51 |
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| zamn900 | the battery patch does not work anymore | 20:54 |
| ShadowJK | it never worked lol | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | same for speedpatch. | 20:55 |
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| lexik | *never* use speed patch & battery patch :P | 21:04 |
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| freemangordon | zamn900: where did you got batterysuckpatch from? | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | afaik it was removed from the repos | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | *get | 21:09 |
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| zamn900 | swappolube is all I wanted | 21:18 |
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| freemangordon | guys, any idea? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1386094&postcount=19 | 23:16 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK: Pali: DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ | 23:18 |
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| freemangordon | It was a while I flashed for a last time, I am afraid that I may give the guy wrong advices | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually I'll kick this zammy guy | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, battery defect | 23:25 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what about that guy who has trouble flashing? | 23:26 |
| freemangordon | any idea? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, battery defect | 23:26 |
| freemangordon | yep, I thought the same as device enters ACT_DEAD mode | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both flashes seem to have succeeded, so I don't see any problem other than hardware | 23:27 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is waiting til some fool siggests coldflashing | 23:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suggests* | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | already suggested :D | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | terribly damaged NAND might be another explanation | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | hmm, no, I am wrong | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too many bad blocks | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | to enter ACT_DEAD? | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | I doubt | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, to reboot | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | it enters ACT_DEAD mode | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see act_dead happening | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1386025&postcount=6 | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he says he sees 5 dots, then dcreen dims, then 2 yellow flashes and reboot | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | see that post | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I'm only reading last report | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | well, see that one :) | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grrr | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I am out of time | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | night | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | random noise | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't tell me anything except that the dude seems to have bought a device with HW defect, caused by overvoltage or sttaic discharge or whatever | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he reflashed, device boots normal, deevice enters first-boot optification, device reboots | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | yep :( | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irrelevant what happened before he reflashed | 23:34 |
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| xes | my opinion is batt voltage too low. I can remember the same behavior with my old battery. I enabled framebuffer and the reboot cause was the voltage too low | 23:38 |
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| xes | Pali: have you tried my trojita build for fremantle? i have just played a little with it....and seems to work not too bad. But qml interface needs a lot of work to fit the N900. Who may have experience with it? | 23:43 |
| Pali | I started it and there was problem with resolution | 23:44 |
| Pali | but looks like it worked | 23:44 |
| Pali | I do not know how has experience with it | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ohsw.org/ always makes me want a t-shirt "I survived a hard software workshop" | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: exactly! and hi! :) | 23:47 |
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| xes | Pali: i have tried an imap account with ssl and many many folders and it pretty good behavior (excluding theme) | 23:48 |
| xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's trojita? | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a dangerous mexican weapon | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe a drink? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mojito | 23:50 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: a qml imap client that so far was available only for harmattan or desktop | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, freemangordon beat me on quoting you | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qml on desktop? O tempora, oh mores! | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe it makes more sense on desktop than on resource-limited embedded, anyway | 23:54 |
| xes | would you try my first fremantle build? Do you feel brave? Here it is: http://ge.tt/91rvm9z/v/0 | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might have guessed already: I don't like the concept of java and/or qml apps | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: sorry, I don't use any mail on N900 | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd give a poor tester | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I bet a zillion happy users will welcome an alternative to modest | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should consider copying account settings from modest and then kicking modest with the huge boot and replace it by trojita | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at very least make sure modest is no longer called every so often to check for mails | 23:57 |
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