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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: thanks for finding the issue :) | 00:01 |
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| M4rtinK | I've added it to the issue tracker (https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues?state=open) | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | hopefully should be an easy fix | 00:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np, I thought I was doing something wrong | 00:01 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, for what I'm currently working on: | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | * Qt 5 GUI based on PyOtherSide (the asynchronous Python-Qt interface from thp ) | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | * finally getting the Monav routing data repository back in order | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | + the usual assorted stuff :) | 00:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) cool | 00:09 |
| nox- | M4rtinK++ | 00:09 |
| nox- | :) | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | nox-: thanks :) | 00:12 |
| nox- | would be cool to see monav working again :) | 00:13 |
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| M4rtinK | Monav the app ? | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | or the Monav routing support in modRana ? | 00:15 |
| nox- | i saw the app fail, routing db incompatible or so | 00:16 |
| nox- | is it better in modrana? | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | as long as you have working data packs, it should work fine in modRana | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | those are a bit outdated, but should work fine: http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | these might be a bit corrupted at the moment: http://www.modrana.org/data/monav/ | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | and there is a guide how to use them: http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide | 00:19 |
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| nox- | thx, might try that later | 00:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Does it still not support address to address routing? | 00:28 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: online does, offline (Monav routing) is point to point only | 00:48 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: Monav actually can work with addresses and has its own optimized address storage format | 00:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but modRana can't? | 00:49 |
| M4rtinK | http://code.google.com/p/monav/wiki/UnicodeTournamentTrie | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | the Monav routing server modRana is using | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | (using localhost sockets and PBFs by the way) | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | only accepts geographic coordinates for start and destination | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | and there is no Python compatible interface to the file format | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | it is documented, so it would be possible to make a python parser for it | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | but it will be quite a lot of work | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | (for the format) | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | or not, not sure as I haven't done something like this yet | 00:53 |
| M4rtinK | so doable, but quite time intensive :) | 00:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, I see. So where does the online routing data come from? | 00:55 |
| M4rtinK | modRana uses the Google Map API for online routing | 00:58 |
| M4rtinK | at the moment | 00:58 |
| M4rtinK | that can work with both coordinates & addresses | 00:58 |
| M4rtinK | and theoretically if you are online | 01:00 |
| M4rtinK | you can use address search (which uses the Nominatim geocoding API) | 01:01 |
| M4rtinK | to to manually find the start and destination and then start point-to-point offline routing with Monav :) | 01:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | So you are at home on WiFi and search for destination then leave with no data scenario | 01:03 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, basically | 01:15 |
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| Win7Mac | http://neo900.org/#donate looks great today! very promising development, congrats! | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks, been a bit of work to get there, even the simplest changes need careful thinking and discussions, and of course coding and review | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, now it looks like it's supposed to, once again | 02:19 |
| Win7Mac | thought so, awesome job, respect! | 02:19 |
| sono | wb doc | 02:19 |
| * sono finally gets around to installing modrana | 02:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most of it is dos1's awesome work | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe what's missing: "we won't produce for the shelf, we build to order" | 02:21 |
| sono | yea, i keep mentioning that in addition | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually odds are we won't have any devices to sell to those who didn't donate >=100EUR | 02:22 |
| sono | plan is to keep donating during the project until i "bought" one | 02:22 |
| sono | i suppose others think alike | 02:22 |
| sono | it does make sense | 02:23 |
| Win7Mac | i think a lot of people would opt for board only | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought that complicates our statistics, it's much appreciated nevertheless | 02:23 |
| sono | it also makes it much easier for me to pay, and results in a steady cash flow | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if 100 people donate 7 times 100 EUR, we might end up with 700 N900 we bought to recover spare parts from them, and no money left to build the 100 boards | 02:25 |
| sono | mhm | 02:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so make sure you always mention the previous order-confirmation number in your donation, so Nikolaus can concatenate them into one "order" | 02:26 |
| sono | right! | 02:26 |
| sono | i wouldn't have done that | 02:27 |
| sono | thanks for the notice | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right now our progress bar shows donations, not unique donors, and it doesn't check at all for the amount of the donations (>=100?) | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course when your donations are <100 per donation, then our book-keeping gets much simpler, since those don't count as a new device to produce | 02:28 |
| sono | nod | 02:29 |
| Win7Mac | is there an end date set to the fundraising period yet? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't really plan to ever end the fundraiser (well we might when the last device got produced) | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some day in the future we will announce "OK, tomorrow we open real preorder page: in two weeks we start to produce a device for everybody who preordered" and you can claim your rebates on that preorder page for two weeks | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after that, it's a new world | 02:32 |
| Win7Mac | sounds great | 02:33 |
| Win7Mac | let me know if HiFo can do anything for neo900 (or anything else) | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I think apart from spreading the word, there's little HiFo could do | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks nevertheless :-) | 02:38 |
| Win7Mac | i spread among those few linux-interested guys i know, but i'm not using any social netorks... | 02:40 |
| Win7Mac | *the word | 02:40 |
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| Win7Mac | latest change to http://neo900.org/#donate looks even better! it's focussed on number of devices (boards, actually), which is more important than amount of money | 03:06 |
| Win7Mac | 2 bars for both would be perfect ;) | 03:06 |
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| qwerty123 | solution to that getting frozen device is optimizen900. Idk why, but it works ( for last two time ).DocScrutinizer05: | 03:59 |
| qwerty123 | Have put optimizen900 on home screen and whenever the phone goes into that state, simply click on optimizen900. It works. | 04:02 |
| mashina_ | figure out the cause and a prevention | 04:03 |
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| qwerty123 | If i could recreate the problem at will, i would have figured out the answer. Atleast for now, i know one of theprocesses in the optimizen900 script causes the problem, else its restarting wouldnot have been the solution. | 04:06 |
| qwerty123 | mashina_: | 04:06 |
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| felipec | anybody tries the latest upstream kernels? | 05:03 |
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| kerio | felipec: ask Pali and freemangordon | 08:22 |
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| felipec | kerio: I found this http://musicnaut.iki.fi/musicnaut/comp/linux/v3.10/arm-testresults.html | 08:45 |
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| jon_y | hi, how do I import sms from sim card? | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know if there's a reasonable feasible method at all for this | 12:58 |
| jon_y | hmm ok | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since nowadays it's mostly useless feature, no device stores SMS on SIM anymore. Not even my year2000 nokia 6210 did this, it distributed them arbitrarily between SIM and device storage, with a max of 15orso SMS on the SIM - then the storage of a standard SIM is used up | 13:01 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: my old phone does | 13:01 |
| jon_y | Nokia 101 | 13:01 |
| jon_y | more like a hundred of them | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, those old phones which have a "SMS storage full" alert as well, those actually do this | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | My Siemens C25 did | 13:02 |
| jon_y | right they did | 13:02 |
| jon_y | except it works again after deleting old messages | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 13:02 |
| jon_y | now I want to import existing messages | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't try to do this via SIM | 13:03 |
| jon_y | hmm how else do you do it? it is a dumb phone | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically as futile as trying to export rich contacts via SIM phonebook | 13:03 |
| jon_y | hmm | 13:03 |
| jon_y | "Please search before ceating a new post- this has been covered extensivly. not possible now but it is being activly worked on. in future updates to sync and pc suite." | 13:03 |
| jon_y | looks like Nokia says no | 13:04 |
| jon_y | oh well | 13:04 |
| jon_y | at least the old messages are still in there | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can read out SIM card with arbitrary cardreaders | 13:04 |
| jon_y | contacts transfered fine though | 13:04 |
| jon_y | I don't mind manually deleting a few dupes | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can *try* to access SIM via pnatd and standard AT command set | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I think BB5 doesn't support much of SIM storage access | 13:05 |
| jon_y | pnatd? | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe pnatd doesn't know how to support it | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a command | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shell command | 13:06 |
| jon_y | ok, will look it up | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also need to learn about AT cmd set | 13:06 |
| jon_y | I need a semi-smart phone to read the SMS to the nokia PC suite, maybe | 13:07 |
| jon_y | and then dump it back to the n900 | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/100900_100999/100916/07.08.00_60/ts_100916v070800p.pdf | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see gnokii and kandy | 13:08 |
| jon_y | ok, thanks | 13:08 |
| jon_y | which package contains pnatd? | 13:09 |
| jon_y | or does it come ootb? | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://linuxappfinder.com/package/kandy http://gnokii.org/ | 13:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pnatd comes OOTB | 13:10 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to close shell to stop it, or kill it from second shell | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once started it talks to the modem and can't get stopped by ^C etc | 13:10 |
| jon_y | just press the X in the corner, got it | 13:11 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: also, sms delivery report, does the service provider charge? | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | usually not | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik, | 13:12 |
| jon_y | depends on service provider? | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 13:12 |
| jon_y | ok | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't share info I don't have ;-) | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *my* delivery reports are free of charge | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YMMV | 13:13 |
| joshgillies | any package maintainers out there have any thoughts around adding paths to $PATH when a package is installed | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not aware of any global regulation saying "delivery report MUST be free of charge" | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joshgillies: usually a pretty bad idea | 13:14 |
| joshgillies | I thought as much | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add your app (or a symlink) to the standard path | 13:14 |
| joshgillies | that's what I'm doing currently (symlink) | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | optification frequently does exactly this | 13:15 |
| joshgillies | however, as I'm packaging a development tool that ships its own package manager, the issue I'm running into is when global modules installed they aren't in the path | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then you're already done with it | 13:16 |
| kolp | Delivery report charges: definitely depend on provider. I've been somewhere where they charged | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joshgillies: modules? | 13:17 |
| kolp | But that was only one country out of quite a few :) | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | delivery reports usually fail epically when roaming | 13:17 |
| joshgillies | exactly, so I'm pacaking the latest Nodejs and with it you can install node applications globally via npm | 13:18 |
| joshgillies | these global apps/modules are installed by default to /opt/nodejs/bin | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard of any of those | 13:18 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: I finally switched back to my n900 | 13:18 |
| jon_y | because sim card full of sms :( | 13:18 |
| jon_y | well, n900 don't seem to have a limit | 13:18 |
| jon_y | *practical limit | 13:18 |
| joshgillies | So I'm looking for some advise as to how to manage this moving forward | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 13:19 |
| jon_y | also, how do I best protect my n900 until I can get some cover for it? | 13:20 |
| joshgillies | and as with the previous question all I can think of is the hack via adding /opt/nodejs/bin to the path | 13:20 |
| joshgillies | PATH* | 13:20 |
| jon_y | does ESD bag in pocket work? :) | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /opt/nodejs/bin sounds like a app specific location to store binaries, and each such binary needs a symlink when user is supposed to call it directly. When it's only your app using them in a library-alike way, you should use absolute path aka FQN in your code, to invole them | 13:20 |
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| joshgillies | I was wondering whether the Ruby guys had solved this, given that npm is to node what gems are to Ruby | 13:22 |
| jon_y | or will any thick enough pouch protect the screen? | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joshgillies: another usual way is: the main app uses own binary's path to search it for any libs or modules | 13:22 |
| joshgillies | hrmm interesting... | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if your main app is in /opt/nodjsFOOBAR/bin/MAIN, then it uses dirname( /opt/nodjsFOOBAR/bin/MAIN ) to search for modules | 13:24 |
| joshgillies | I've just had a thought, possibly around rolling a helper npm that I place into /usr/bin, that basically passes the usual `npm install module` syntax but appends it with --prefix which from what I can see in the docs tells npm where to place the binaries | 13:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard about npm | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds icky | 13:25 |
| joshgillies | yeah sorry if I'm speaking in tongues over here :) | 13:25 |
| joshgillies | crazy Javascript developers | 13:25 |
| jon_y | another package manager of sorts | 13:25 |
| jon_y | javascript guys are full of crazy | 13:26 |
| joshgillies | silar to pip for python or gems for ruby | 13:26 |
| jon_y | they wrote an x86 emulater in javascript | 13:26 |
| joshgillies | similar* | 13:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 facepalms | 13:26 | |
| joshgillies | Now now gentlemen :) | 13:26 |
| joshgillies | anyway some good input from DocScrutinizer05 which I'll take away and mill over for a bit | 13:27 |
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| jon_y | so any advice for protecting the n900 screen in the pocket? | 13:29 |
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| jon_y | the nokia support guys changed out my screen and removed the screen protector | 13:29 |
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| ShadowJK | screen protector, duh. | 13:39 |
| chem|st | jon_y:do not put other things in the pocket with it... my screen has microscratches from the stylus only and I never used a screenprotextor ever | 13:43 |
| vi__ | zagg invisible shield. | 13:43 |
| vi__ | It is a bit expensive (9euro) but in my opinion the best. | 13:43 |
| vi__ | I have had mine on for over a year and it looks as good as new. No peeling at the edges etc. | 13:44 |
| ShadowJK | viquiti is my favourite | 13:44 |
| vi__ | I used to use the vikuiti ones but they peel up at the edges after a couple of months. | 13:44 |
| vi__ | They do offer a good range though. | 13:45 |
| joshgillies | just another thought relating to the above, I could package a helper script that sets up the appropriate environment in a subshell and leave it at that | 13:49 |
| joshgillies | thoughts? | 13:49 |
| joshgillies | so the user has to opt in when they want to interact with node/npm | 13:49 |
| vi__ | Just make sure you have a script to undo whatever you do. | 13:49 |
| joshgillies | and when the leave it's cleared up | 13:49 |
| joshgillies | if it's just a child process that should happen when the process is terminated right? | 13:50 |
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| jon_y | ShadowJK: I doubt I can find one for the n900 these days | 13:54 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: is swappolube proposed good enough? | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 13:55 |
| vi__ | jon_y: y | 13:55 |
| jon_y | thanks | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I recently seen this one on a device and liked it so much that I ordered another 3 packages: http://www.ebay.es/itm/181091251333?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_3206wt_1132 | 14:00 |
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| vi__ | I tried the matte ones, they make the screen look like shit in my opinion. | 14:01 |
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| Herbstbert | vi__: I suspect, you use the only-screen variant of the Zagg foil? | 14:13 |
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| vi__ | yes. | 14:59 |
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| Wizzup_ | can I put the n900 in no-charging mode when it is for example a usb hotspot? | 15:18 |
| Wizzup_ | I would like to save my laptop battery ;-) | 15:18 |
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| Kabouik__ | Hey guys, I've a question about Harmattan, is that the right place to ask despite the chan's name? | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | #harmattan | 15:29 |
| Kabouik__ | Oh alright, I thought the chan was for whole TMO | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Wizzup_: the simplest way is just to do 'stop bme' | 15:29 |
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| Wizzup_ | SpeedEvil: ok | 15:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: stop charging when hooked to PC? easy: stop bme | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: though honestly, I'd rather try to save my N900 battery that that laptop monster battery | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/that/than/ | 15:57 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: Wizzup_: though honestly, I'd rather try to save my N900 battery than that laptop monster battery | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, SpeedEvil beat me on it | 15:57 |
| Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05, SpeedEvil Thank you | 15:58 |
| Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: well, I have three spare n900 batteries | 15:58 |
| Wizzup_ | this chromebook battery lasts about 12 hours, but only 6 with n900 attached | 15:58 |
| Wizzup_ | and I cannot replace the chromebook battery | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, THEN.... :-P | 15:59 |
| Wizzup_ | ;-) | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I however wonder if that reduction to 50% uptime is due to the charging or rather due to book-CPU constantly at C0 to serve USB | 16:00 |
| Wizzup_ | C0? | 16:03 |
| Wizzup_ | this is the samsung ARM chromebook btw | 16:03 |
| Wizzup_ | (which I can really recommend as a cheap but awesome netbook) | 16:03 |
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| merlin1991 | I guess C0 is a cpu sleep state | 16:09 |
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| sono | lastlog sono | 18:56 |
| sono | grmpg | 18:56 |
| sono | i need a marker script | 18:56 |
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| RST38h | http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-microsoft-narrows-ceo-shortlist-mulally-elop-cut-001155305--finance.html | 19:30 |
| RST38h | Elop! Elop! Elop! | 19:30 |
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| kerio | would you look at this | 20:39 |
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| sono | don't invoke the elop so lightly | 20:44 |
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| Woody14619 | sigh.. one more. brb. :P | 21:32 |
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| Woody14619 | Well, that worked better than I expected. :) | 21:40 |
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