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| DocScrutinizer05 | (since I already know what's in there) | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we had a first donation of 300 already a few hours ago :-o | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas money transfer, so it's not yet on meter, until money shows up on bank account | 00:01 |
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| MentalistTraceur | freemangordon: Any chance you got a moment to spare to help me figure out why your open source libcal isn't working for me? (I'm trying to build an actual libcal.so that I could then drop in in place of the existing closed source one, to test some stuff - have you ever compiled it on the N900 itself, and regardless of where, what's the command string you used with gcc (or what did you use if ... | 01:08 |
| MentalistTraceur | ... not gcc)) | 01:08 |
| * lexik is spreading the word about Neo900 insanely and dreaming about connecting OpenEEG to it... neo900.org page is making me craazy o.O :D | 01:11 | |
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| MentalistTraceur | I have limited experience compiling shared object files, so I may be screwing something up, but I have tried "gcc -shared cal.c" (obviously with the latest version of cal.c and cal.h from the gitorious.com/community-ssu/libcal repo, | 01:12 |
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| lexik | dos1: New Neo900 page is looking awesome :) [big thanks] | 01:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | and that creates a massively bloated binary in the first place, but then it also fails to actually work, with error messages like "unexpected reloc type 0x03" when I run a program that was compiled against the stock libcal. | 01:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | Anyone else other than freemangordon who can help, feel free to chip in as well. | 01:14 |
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| dos1 | lexik: thanks :) | 01:24 |
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| jake42 | I presume battery hot-swap on neo900 is referring to swaping battery while usb is plugged in, right? | 01:27 |
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| dos1 | jake42: that's for sure... but DocScrutinizer05 is planning some crazy stuff there ;) | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, that's meant for really fats swap of battery in the field | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fast* | 01:30 |
| jake42 | dos1: no doubt about that :) | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hotswap with charger plugged in works even on N900 ;-) | 01:30 |
| MentalistTraceur | (That's what I already thought, but since we're on the topc it's good to hear it actually confirmed.) | 01:30 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/topc/topic/ | 01:31 |
| infobot | MentalistTraceur meant: (That's what I already thought, but since we're on the topic it's good to hear it actually confirmed.) | 01:31 |
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| jake42 | DocScrutinizer05: so how's the hotswap without another powersource going to work? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's about some buffer capacitors allowing device to operate 2..5s without battery | 01:31 |
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| jake42 | while in some deep sleep mode? | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nah | 01:32 |
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| Gh0sty | i was wondering actually you might know DocScrutinizer05 | 01:32 |
| Gh0sty | is there a way to power an n900 without battery? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just reduce unneeded power hogs, like display backlight | 01:32 |
| Gh0sty | like shorting pins in the battery compartment? | 01:32 |
| Gh0sty | so it runs solely from AC adapter? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: yes, but not for the modem | 01:33 |
| Gh0sty | so you can't make calls? | 01:33 |
| Gh0sty | thats ok i guess | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you connect a beefy PSU directly to the battery conatcts | 01:33 |
| Gh0sty | its just an idea of what to do with the phone once i buy a new one | 01:33 |
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| Gh0sty | bit of a waste to sell it since nobody will want it | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I operated my N900 for several hours without battery inserted | 01:34 |
| Gh0sty | rather want to keep it for some other stuff ... :) | 01:34 |
| Gh0sty | you can make a description (or there are links?) | 01:34 |
| kolp | Gh0sty: Why not keep it on USB with battery inserted? | 01:34 |
| Gh0sty | well if you do that for weeks / months | 01:34 |
| Gh0sty | batteries dont like that i guess :p | 01:34 |
| Gh0sty | and will eventually die (and i hope not in flames) | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough you need to make sure the backlight won't shut down ever, to provide a certain minimum power consumption, when running it from charger only | 01:35 |
| Gh0sty | isn't turning on wifi or bt enough ? | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: my N900 is 95% on PSU, the T900 (devel devidce) 100%, since years | 01:36 |
| Gh0sty | so how do you do it? :P | 01:36 |
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| Gh0sty | other idea i had was just to put in like a supercap | 01:39 |
| Gh0sty | that pretends to be a battery ... :) | 01:39 |
| Gh0sty | if that'll fit in the battery compartiment that is :p | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | my t900 battery is quite ok still | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it actually literally runs since years from charger, 24/7 | 01:43 |
| Gh0sty | hm ok | 01:44 |
| Gh0sty | i have one of my old phones | 01:44 |
| Gh0sty | not plugged in for a while | 01:44 |
| Gh0sty | noticed that the battery has like expanded | 01:44 |
| Gh0sty | not really exploded or leaking but something must be wrong inside ... | 01:44 |
| Gh0sty | ofcourse i am talking a device that has in the mean time > 10 years on the counter :P | 01:45 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Okay, I have to wonder if anyone even tried using freemangordon's cal.h instead of the stock cal.h. Including him. I just found a bug - it uses typedefs from <sys/types.h> without including said header - cal.c includes it but cal.h doesn't, which means that trying to compile a program that only includes cal.h would simply fail to build. | 02:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | I should probably get around to submitting a patch for that eventually. | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: leaving battery inside stashed-away device is the worst thing to do. You can *bet* on battery dieing | 02:10 |
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| b1101 | anyone else thing we should put neo900 in topic ? | 06:35 |
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| rtm | b1101, Well, there is a separate neo900 channel. | 06:38 |
| b1101 | I'm there, but barey anyone else is. | 06:38 |
| rtm | I am too, but I have nothing to say. | 06:39 |
| b1101 | I just want to spread the word about this phone as much as possible | 06:39 |
| rtm | I assume The Doctor is asleep at this hour (if he sleeps at all). | 06:39 |
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| b1101 | just donated :) I hope the website updates at least daily. | 06:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | The Doctor is hardly ever sleeping, "the doctor is out" | 08:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.pyrouniverse.com/gallery2/data/500/Doctor.png | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, btw: 2440 | 08:34 |
| sono | doc, you are starting to scare me. | 08:38 |
| sono | this is an unreasonable hour for any man, iam only awake because i slept on the hackspace couch. | 08:38 |
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| sono | are you powernapping or simply not sleeping healthily? | 08:42 |
| sono | Herbstfreud: wetter ist gut. | 08:42 |
| Herbstfreud | :) | 08:42 |
| Herbstfreud | Absolutely right. | 08:43 |
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| sono | the shadows yesterday looked like raycasting from mars. today, they are testing the new fogging shader.. | 08:45 |
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| Herbstfreud | And I was in our garden already, shooting some (hopefully) impressive photos on black-and-white film... | 08:46 |
| sono | as well as the procedural frost texture gen | 08:46 |
| sono | sweet. | 08:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | b1101: I won't abuse my mod/admin/councilor status to make advertisements for a private project | 09:08 |
| kerio | do it | 09:09 |
| kerio | do iiiit | 09:09 |
| kerio | besides, it's not exactly a private project | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, all of *you* are free to do as much advertising as we al would like to see. _I_ must not do that | 09:10 |
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| kerio | u wot m8 | 09:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | TOPICLEN=390 | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ! | 09:12 |
| kerio | i don't even think there's space in the topic anymore | 09:12 |
| kerio | Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | Please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet | You might be interested in the Neo900 project: http://neo900.org/ | 09:13 |
| Hurrian | ouch. anyone have any alternative to a "third hand" tool? | 09:14 |
| kerio | ...i don't believe that message went through | 09:14 |
| *** kerio changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | Please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet | You might be interested in the Neo" | 09:14 | |
| kerio | haha | 09:14 |
| kerio | yeah, doesn't work | 09:14 |
| *** kerio changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | Please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet" | 09:14 | |
| kerio | oh well, i don't wanna reorganize the topic | 09:14 |
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| ShadowJK | well, N900 #4 cellmo death | 13:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DANG!! | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's insane | 14:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Your not having much luck ... is it the climate? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or your typing? | 14:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh? | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | typing to hard | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bending PCB -> solderpoints snap open | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I'd try to reflow the BB5 | 14:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah .. I find the occasional red line through sim if in damp environments | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 14:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | has there been a successful reflow yet | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | none known of | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither non-successful ones | 14:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I thought one bright spark on tmo tried it in his oven | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, seem to really sth like that | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | recall | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fingers typing stuff I don't even think | 14:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waves and tries to fight the headache | 14:12 | |
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| jonwil | hi | 14:19 |
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| jaska | reflow in.. kitchen oven? | 15:06 |
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| merlin1991 | ShadowJK: I noticed yesterday that my last n900 that had *some* live in it claims every few minutes that no sim is inserted :/ | 15:54 |
| wnd | I've always found it strange how often I hear of problems related to a SIM card and (probably) bad contacts | 15:58 |
| wnd | the only phone I've had that issue with was Nokia 2110, and it only happened twice, both times when the phone was loose on the back set of one particular car | 15:59 |
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| jaska | hmm, piece of paper pressing the sim helped my 2110i | 16:10 |
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| ShadowJK | the "no sim card" thing on n900 is most of the time totally unrelated to the actual sim card and sim card slot/contacts | 16:45 |
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| BCMM | how do i go about getting flash 10? seems the link on the forums and wiki is dead | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi Woody14619 | 19:25 |
| Woody14619 | o/ | 19:25 |
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| Sysaxed | uhmmm, now it says that os will be Debian GNU/Linux, and not maemo? Where can I read about it? The thread is 100 pages long, uh... | 21:05 |
| Defiant | Sysaxed: There is another thread somewhere about porting maemo | 21:06 |
| Sysaxed | but why does it say Debian then? | 21:06 |
| Defiant | Sysaxed: afaik its the job of the community to port maemo | 21:06 |
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| anYc | and the shipped OS is only for initial testing | 21:25 |
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| dos1 | Sysaxed: Maemo port is not done by Goldelico, but by community | 21:30 |
| dos1 | however, this community project will be highly supported, for instance by handing out the devices | 21:30 |
| dos1 | and making those community efforts easier will be one of the most important points taken into account during the design | 21:31 |
| dos1 | it will ship with Debian, so you'll be able to boot and verify it it works out of the box, and then you'll be free to install whatever OS you want | 21:32 |
| dos1 | and hopefully Maemo port will be already available in some decent shape at that time, thanks to work done by community on early prototypes | 21:32 |
| dos1 | (that's also one of the reasons why we're making a fundraiser - to build those prototypes which the "Fremantle Porting Task Force" will be able to work on) | 21:33 |
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| Sysaxed | dos1: thank you very much | 21:37 |
| dos1 | you can also stick with Debian, there should be FSO and some SHR apps in the repo, may be a usable phone if configured properly :) | 21:38 |
| japa-fi | Darn.. Any ideas for workaround: I have 52 .mp3 files with ID3v2 tags, yet my N900 only found tags for 3 of them.. | 21:41 |
| japa-fi | Anyone know if there is something N900 don't like in id3v2 tags and should be avoided? | 21:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | japa-fi rebuild tracker db's? | 21:44 |
| japa-fi | sixwheeledbeast, How does one do that? | 21:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | for gui version download tracker-cfg from repos. | 21:45 |
| japa-fi | ..searching... | 21:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | or "tracker-processes -r" | 21:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | in terminal IIRC | 21:46 |
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| japa-fi | sixwheeledbeast, It removed the db& indexeses. Will the indexing start automatically or does it require something to initiate it? | 21:49 |
| japa-fi | Oh, it's automatic :) | 21:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lol ... expect to wait a while. | 21:50 |
| japa-fi | Darn, same results.. | 21:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | japa-fi: http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=15786077 - a good few threads on it | 21:52 |
| japa-fi | sixwheeledbeast, Thanks. Testing now the idea of: If the tags have been edited, then perhaps the player does not like them. Now deleting all tags and then re-creating them. | 21:58 |
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| japa-fi | most of the tags appeared ok, but all was messed up after they were edited the 1st time | 21:59 |
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| jambo | hi | 22:10 |
| jambo | does the neo900 have an open source baseband as I was told thats the part which allows the FBI in USA to remotely turn on phones? | 22:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | jambo: Developing an open-source baseband is unfortunately complex, and well outside the scope. | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | have a look at neo900.org!!!! | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 23:41 |
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| Herbstfreud | Looks good, sounds good. | 23:48 |
| dos1 | good typing? | 23:48 |
| dos1 | if it looks good and sounds good, then it's good? :D | 23:49 |
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| Herbstfreud | It has also to work well. ;) | 23:52 |
| dos1 | fundraiser seems to be working well :) and neo900? we'll do whatever we can! | 23:55 |
| Herbstfreud | I'm searching for my last coins for that already... | 23:56 |
| dos1 | this incredible support is like the wind beneath the wings! (hopefully I got that idiom right :D) | 23:56 |
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