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| samn900 | I would know how to fix cutetube which has a wonderful player but no audio | 01:31 |
| samn900 | any tip? | 01:33 |
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| samn900 | maybe yew | 01:41 |
| samn900 | is it that? | 01:42 |
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| ShadowJK | Some apps are silenced when you set phone to silent | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | There's magic API that apps can use to avoid it, but not all know how to use it | 01:43 |
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| Win7Mac | gn o/ | 01:45 |
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| kolp | Trying to build a control panel plugin. When I call it in the sdk, why does the 'Save' button sometimes vanish between starts? | 02:05 |
| kolp | I didn't recompile or restart the control panel | 02:06 |
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| xes | just found this really nice addressbook script: https://bitbucket.org/darkcloud/maemo-addressbook/src/f8f8ce4ef02ba46093b40c3f7abe24a64245bbc7/addressbook?at=master | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, really a nice script, especially the header ;-) | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact ;-D | 06:14 |
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| Apic | A wonderful splendid Prickle-Prickle Morning (UGT) to you all. | 11:25 |
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| x29a | Apic: lol, sie hier? | 11:47 |
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| sono | Pali: then what are you still doing there. | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | EH? | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: this sounds insulting to me | 14:55 |
| sono | hmm, debian lxde chroot terminates | 14:55 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: nevermind | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I won't. I don't like to see pali insulted or offended | 14:55 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: wait until he is back and ask him then. it was about a dead channel | 14:56 |
| sono | there is no need to whiteknight | 14:56 |
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| sono | DocScrutinizer05: are you still actively using an n900? | 14:58 |
| sono | in fact, is anyone? | 14:58 |
| wnd | I am | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this question is kinda silly in this channel | 14:58 |
| kolp | sono: Of course. Daily and exclusively. What kind of question is that... | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather ask who's NOT using a N900 and nevertheless in this channel | 14:59 |
| sono | nice. i got one a week ago. first time owner | 14:59 |
| sono | it's a very likeable device, tho i am still struggling with some things | 14:59 |
| sono | but i'll have to check them out on my own, first | 14:59 |
| sono | anyway, i love it | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first thing to now fall for: fremantle is NOT debian | 15:00 |
| sono | i used oldschool phones for a long time before reluctantly getting an android 2 years ago | 15:00 |
| sono | i had already forgotten about the n900 at that point | 15:00 |
| joga | wish I had more of them | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/now/not/ | 15:01 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: first thing to not fall for: fremantle is NOT debian | 15:01 |
| sono | now i got an old one from an acquaintance in the UK | 15:01 |
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| sono | no, that much is clear | 15:01 |
| sono | wish i knew why the easy-chroot lxde thing doesn't open a root window, tho.. | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the package management is quite different | 15:01 |
| sono | it worked the first time, after reflash, it doesn't | 15:01 |
| wnd | I switched from an S40 feature phone (nokia 6000-series) to n900 roughly two years ago. I still feel sorry for those n900 | 15:02 |
| sono | i might want to wipe the SD card first. | 15:02 |
| sono | i'll figure it out. | 15:02 |
| sono | wnd: sorry? | 15:02 |
| wnd | s/$/s I couldn't bring home from work and that were practically doomed to be trashed/ | 15:02 |
| mashina | i went N800 -> N900 | 15:02 |
| sono | wnd: oooh. | 15:02 |
| mashina | with some hobby pdas between | 15:02 |
| joga | I used to use 9300i before n900 | 15:02 |
| mashina | i had a nokia c3 but never used it | 15:03 |
| mashina | they just make battery spares for N900 | 15:03 |
| sono | hm, i need to replace the battery too.. it only keeps for a day or so | 15:03 |
| sono | ebay, i suppose... | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a day of real active usage seems normal for all "smartphones" | 15:03 |
| sono | well, it's idle most of the day, of course. | 15:04 |
| sono | in my pocket, automatically switched to GSM only | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless it might be a software problem | 15:04 |
| sono | so it sohuld last weeks, really | 15:04 |
| joga | lol | 15:04 |
| wnd | and I still haven't got around to check how long the battery would last if I switched wlan off. I now get two full days at most. | 15:04 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: i didn't do a lot on it.. update, remove and install some packages | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some apps you better steer clear of | 15:04 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: powerkernel | 15:04 |
| joga | I want to see a smartphone that lasts weeks | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch | 15:04 |
| infobot | well, speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 15:05 |
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| joga | I recharged some old tiny nokia a while ago and it idled for a good two weeks or so with an old battery | 15:05 |
| sono | joga: ahem, if i switch my samsung cheap-o android device to GSM only, it is good for a week with casual use | 15:05 |
| joga | sono, wow, never have I heard anyone claiming a week with any smartphone | 15:05 |
| sono | joga: it's the 3G modes and the display that eat power. | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joga: my N900 easily stays a week on standby | 15:06 |
| sono | joga: NOT active use | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when not logged in to GSM and WLAN | 15:06 |
| sono | joga: this n900 is dead after a day of casual use | 15:06 |
| joga | mine can probably idle for about two days or something | 15:06 |
| sono | joga: with 2G and wifi off? | 15:06 |
| joga | I actually never turn gsm off | 15:06 |
| joga | so yeah it might be better, and also useless to me ;) | 15:07 |
| sono | no, but HSPDA/UMTS | 15:07 |
| joga | anyway I've accepted that when I go home, I just plug it in charger | 15:07 |
| joga | heh | 15:07 |
| joga | should I try to watch a youtube video in metro or something the battery life would be closer to an hour than a day | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I always did, even 15 (20?) years ago, with all mobile phones I had | 15:07 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: so with GSM actually off, i can get a week? | 15:08 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: did you ever run 2G only? | 15:08 |
| sono | continously | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 15:08 |
| sono | how long? | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unclear, see above | 15:08 |
| sono | thanks =) | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~power | 15:08 |
| infobot | i heard power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 15:08 |
| sono | \o/ | 15:09 |
| sono | so what do you all think about jolla? | 15:09 |
| pcfe | just waiting for my pre-order to ship ;-) | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the company or the device? | 15:09 |
| sono | well, as a geek i primarly concern myself with the device, | 15:10 |
| pcfe | lol, that building is quite huge, that would never fit into my post office ;-) | 15:10 |
| sono | as a social being, i care about the company too =9 | 15:10 |
| pcfe | on a more serious note; I think the device and the company need to go hand in hand, so quite happy about all I hear so far. I care deeply about open devices | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about the device little is known yet, and that's already a downside of the device. and what's known is another downside for me, I don't expect to use mine as daily phone | 15:11 |
| pcfe | for me there are many of the FLOSS defenders from NOK there now, so I am hopeful (well and TBH what are my alternatives WRT to having a phone with an open bootloader and that has any chance in hell of booting an upstream kernel) | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty questionable how "open" jolla device will be | 15:12 |
| sono | indeed little is known, sailfish is also worked on behind closed doors | 15:13 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: that is my main concern | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the OS is open maybe, the device though... who knows | 15:13 |
| pcfe | we'll see later this year when the hardware hits the shelves if I am too much of an optimist or not | 15:13 |
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| sono | anyway, thanks for keeping maemo alive everyone | 15:15 |
| sono | i'll dive deeper into it in the coming weeks | 15:15 |
| Apic | Yeah, thanks from me too. | 15:15 |
| Apic | Especially I find ModRana great! | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what does the hw hitting the shelves change in the status of the device regarding openness? without proper docs it's still not an open device, even when available and even when it maybe isn't tivoized | 15:15 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: he's going to find out when it hits the shelves, is all | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you find out that there are still no docs about the hw at all? | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already can tell you about that | 15:16 |
| jonwil | open MCE is great :) | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | said the developer of open MCE ;-P | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, awesome | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (though I had no chance to test it yet) | 15:18 |
| jonwil | I am running it on my own N900 with no failings yet | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cool | 15:18 |
| kolp | jonwil: How did you manage to clone even the bugs like the one linked to in the tmo thread? :P | 15:19 |
| sono | jonwil: google-fu failure, link? | 15:19 |
| kolp | j/k. I suppose they are in the meego source | 15:19 |
| jonwil | Its a 1:1 clone of the code, bugs included | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so finally we can fix the annoying indicator LED dimming, and the idiotic waste of a whole smart engine for sth silly as a 100ms ramp-up/down of kbd backlight | 15:20 |
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| pcfe | DocScrutinizer05: someone will rip it apart, so at the latest when comercially available we'll know the used chips inside, that will already answer a lot of questions WRT to HW docs | 15:20 |
| sono | o.o i really have to install the SDK and look at the architecture soon | 15:20 |
| * sono can't quite follow | 15:20 | |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: smart engine? | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pcfe: sure, but that doesn't qualify the device as open - at best as "ripped" or "rooted" | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: see LP5523 | 15:21 |
| sono | we prefer the term "reverse engineered" over here in corporate land | 15:21 |
| sono | ;) | 15:21 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has 3 mini-cpus | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one for each color of LED | 15:22 |
| sono | and a kernel driver for it | 15:22 |
| sono | also, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_LED | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but Nokia decided to assign one "color" aka engine exclusively to the kbd backlight | 15:22 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: ok | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that link is fine, so I don't need to explain it again, since I did there already | 15:23 |
| sono | =) | 15:23 |
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| Apic | Aw. My Contacts in the App times out with the Throbber searching for them forever... probably Flash borked... in what Dir on FS are the Contact XML files stored? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>There's really no reason why you need to assign 1 of those 3 machines to this *occasional* short ramp function and break true rainbow 3 color effects on indicator LED. Sound rationale: while kbd bl ramp the CPU is awake anyway. No obvious benefit in offloading the task to a LP553 engine [except from saving 50 lines of code in mce]!)<< | 15:25 |
| sono | yea, i already wondered why they did this when i read it, and still have no answer | 15:26 |
| sono | that said, my soldering is OK... | 15:26 |
| sono | so... ;) | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | soldering? | 15:28 |
| sono | i meant, my soldering skills are OK-ish so i don't see why i shouldn't rewire the channels.. ;p | 15:29 |
| sono | it was a joke | 15:29 |
| Apic | ~/.osso does not seem to contain the Contacts | 15:29 |
| Apic | Or is my whole Dir where they are stored vanished? | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you don't think of "fixing2 this sw issue on a hw level - you can't | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ | 15:29 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: I hope you don't think of "fixing" this sw issue on a hw level - you can't | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: hmm? | 15:30 |
| sono | Apic: i have an ~/.osso-abook/ with "db" in it? | 15:30 |
| sono | maybe you're looking for that | 15:30 |
| Apic | True | 15:31 |
| pcfe | DocScrutinizer05: as I said, I am hopeful. I might just be an incorrectable optimist. But many of the people that went to Jolla from NOK are drinking the FLOSS cool-aid, which for me is a good thing | 15:31 |
| Apic | Is there a DB-fsck> | 15:31 |
| Apic | s/>/?/ | 15:31 |
| infobot | Apic meant: Is there a DB-fsck? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pcfe: sure | 15:31 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: they way i understood it, they are using the third channel for the keyboard? i should read the whole page perhaps. | 15:31 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: nevermind then =) | 15:31 |
| sono | i'll get there | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: the lp5523 has a muxer | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to solder anything ;-) | 15:32 |
| sono | DocScrutinizer05: ah ok. i got to take the time when i am off work to read the wiki a bit, just so | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | each of the 9 LED can get miuxed to any (or none) of the 3 engines | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even when not muxed to any engine, each LED still has its own PWM hardware, incl register to control brightness via I"C from APE CPU | 15:34 |
| Apic | I'll try overwriting .osso-abook with .osso-abook-backup | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just that MCE doesn't allow to assign any of the 3 indicator colors to the 3rd engine | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the LP5523 driver though does | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MCE hard-muxes all kbd BL LED to engine3 | 15:36 |
| Apic | Still searches forever B-( | 15:36 |
| Apic | I'll check whether I have a Backup | 15:36 |
| Apic | Yes, from 2013.06.20 | 15:36 |
| Apic | *restore* | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: .osso-abook | 15:36 |
| Apic | Yes, found it, but restored the .osso-abook-backup and still fails | 15:37 |
| Apic | Is there a .db-fsck> | 15:37 |
| Apic | s/>/?/ | 15:37 |
| infobot | Apic meant: Is there a .db-fsck? | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:37 |
| Apic | I'll try Backup Restore, but it says "Communication and Calendar", not "Contacts" | 15:37 |
| Apic | Does it contain Contacts too? | 15:38 |
| Apic | I hope so. | 15:38 |
| Apic | *restore* | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure it does | 15:38 |
| Apic | Good | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think addressbook.db is a berkley db | 15:39 |
| kolp | Btw, is there any compelling reason for using different db backends for contacts, calendar, events, ...? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good question | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly because often the backends are FOSS | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and already used a certain architecture | 15:42 |
| Apic | Okay restoring Backup worked \o/ | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I got NFC about what is osso-abook-backup | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly it's just a quick copy/snapshot done by osso-backup, to compress and backup a consistent state of db | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe not | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the contacts app using it for implementing a sort of transactions? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really no idea | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: shouldn't mce get a post on FPTF thread as well? | 15:52 |
| Apic | DocScrutinizer05: Do You get payed by Nokia btw? Or are You completely Fan-Guy? | 15:52 |
| jonwil | yeah maybe it should | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm the moron wo got appointed to volunteer for the community | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never got paid by Nokia | 15:54 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, that's why we love you :P | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and I hoped you love my for my character | 15:54 |
| Apic | Fat Respect! | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi moh, old arab! | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | 20's the new old? :/ | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | hi DocScrutinizer05 :) | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, for terrorists, 20 is quite old ;-P | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | how's studying? | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you already got hired to write stuxnet-II ? | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, painful here in Israel | 16:00 |
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| MohammadAG | though in my free time, I did learn Java | 16:00 |
| * MohammadAG hands DocScrutinizer05 a pistol | 16:00 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 reads "Java" and shoots himself in the forehead | 16:01 | |
| kolp | Is there any info on what 'Update automatically' in the 'date/time' applet means exactly? Update from GSM network, I suppose? | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 16:02 |
| kolp | Ok. And who is repsonsible for doing that? | 16:03 |
| kolp | 'Cause it's just a gconf key | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays 99% of GSM networks support this | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: (who's doing) there's a weird closed source time daemon, and I guess csd is also involved | 16:03 |
| kolp | Ok | 16:04 |
| * kolp is writing an open clone of the date/time applet, in case anyone is wondering | 16:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what really really sucks is welcome daemon which asks for time/date/language while in backgrounf time and date get set by the concurrently running black magic for GSM time-adjusting | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I usually boot two times in sequence after swapping battery | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on second boot the tinme and date got adjusted and correct from 1st boot | 16:07 |
| kolp | My experience was that networks didn't support this so I have it switched off and use ntp instead | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on your carrier, you might be one of the 1% where it fails | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5 years ago things been worse | 16:08 |
| kolp | I think I have it switched off since I got my first n900, in 2010 | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also roaming can introduce quite a number of really exciting effects with this automatic | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if you're frequently roaming, you probably rather want to switch automatic timeadjust off | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it also automatically sets TZ, etc | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you have no control *when* it does that | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I seem to recall that sometimes it doesn't set TZ and and clock same time | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather with a few hours delay between the two | 16:10 |
| kolp | Nice | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so first you get TZ A but with time of TZ B, and later on the TZ adjusts. Or the other way round | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe I'm wrong on this | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might have been another platform | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this stuff is always much fun to debug, since relatively few roaming across TZ happens, and you hardly ever can do it in a controlled environment | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...unless you got a CMU200 or similar, in your lab | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or the BB5 firmware source so you could flash a testbed frirmware that fakes such stuff from modem | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even with a CMU200 it helps a lot when you're e.g. Nokia so a 2 dozen carriers worldwide provide detailed data about their timestamp feature and how it's implemented, to you | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: when will you be free again? We coukd use a few brilliant heads in FPTF | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: and are you planning for a better place than this violence and idiocy infested IL? | 16:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how is gsm time supposed to work again? | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: hm? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please ask more specifically | 16:29 |
| kerio | what polls for it? | 16:29 |
| kerio | is it polled? | 16:29 |
| kerio | is there a way to figure out if it's working for you? | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: it doesn't work for me xD | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the modem either gets queried or gets asked to send an unsolicited message whenever a timestamp comes in | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure you could monitor sth to find out. wireshark ISI dissectors should work for sure. Dunno if dbus would show sth | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik there's no AT command to query the network if and how timestamps are supported | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you just wait if it works or not | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked into it indepth | 16:32 |
| kerio | i'd rather just ntp | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just know the trouble we had with it in fsogsmd and relatives | 16:33 |
| kerio | or mayne gps | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, GPS just fails when you don't have a semi decent idea of your location and local time | 16:33 |
| kerio | eeeeh | 16:33 |
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| kerio | it works | 16:33 |
| kerio | eventually | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, *eventually* | 16:34 |
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| jonwil | fyi, the GSM time stuff is handled by libcsnet (aka libcsd-net.so plugin for csd) | 16:34 |
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| kolp | Is the gms network supposed to send timestamps on a regualr basis, if supported? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil to the rescue :-) | 16:34 |
| jonwil | It talks to the clockd daemon via dbus | 16:34 |
| kolp | s/gms/gsm/ | 16:34 |
| infobot | kolp meant: Is the gsm network supposed to send timestamps on a regualr basis, if supported? | 16:34 |
| jonwil | and the dbus call is documented :) | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: yes | 16:34 |
| jonwil | aloso my network sends correct time signals | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hail dbus | 16:35 |
| kolp | What#s the interval, approx? | 16:35 |
| kolp | Any idea? | 16:35 |
| jonwil | when I went on holidays to different timezone (same cell network) and turned on N900 after getting off airplane, it picked up new time with no issues | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: varies vastly | 16:35 |
| jonwil | new time and time zone | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | between a few seconds and several minutes afaik | 16:35 |
| kolp | Ah, ok | 16:36 |
| kolp | Then there is still hope... | 16:36 |
| jonwil | for the dbus details, look in http://www.cncmods.net/files/dbus/net_interface.xml under get_network_time_info method and network_time_info_change signal | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though disclaimer: <see above> I never... | 16:36 |
| jonwil | thats how csd tells timed the new time | 16:37 |
| jonwil | time settings that is | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN .xml files | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my browser just renders them | 16:37 |
| jonwil | Let me see who else might be using those same dbus interfaces | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rendering them results in blank page | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw could we gett all that stuff into maemo wiki? | 16:39 |
| jonwil | feel free to update the wiki if you want :) | 16:39 |
| jonwil | I suck at doing that kind of wiki work :P | 16:39 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 too | 16:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe Sixwheeled feels inclined... | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.cncmods.net/files/dbus/ | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | csd_ss.h sounds braindamaged. supplementaryServices is more than just call divert | 16:44 |
| jonwil | csd_ss.h contains only the info I could pick up | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically all from *0# to *99# | 16:44 |
| jonwil | ss.xml contains the full interface pulled from introspection | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 16:44 |
| jonwil | i.e. csd_ss.h is bits from bluez etc | 16:45 |
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| jonwil | ok, the time dbus calls are used by clockd, osso_startup_wizzard.launch and libconnui_cell.so | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | refer to explanation in starhash | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I guess Nokia subsummed it under USSD | 16:46 |
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| jonwil | ok, so anything else I can look up? | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: btw are you aware of the weird TZ integer in "get_network_time_info" ? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what's/who's_using libconnui_cell.so ? | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (TZ) it's sth like 15min steps +- of UTC | 16:54 |
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| jonwil | libconnui_cell is used by connui-home-cellular (operator name widget), connui-cellular-settings (cellular settings control panel), connui-conndlgs-cellular (cellular connectivity dialogs) and connui-statusbar-cellular (cellular signal status widget) | 16:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders writing a dbuslogd, similar to syslogd | 16:59 | |
| jonwil | wouldn't be that hard by copying dbus-monitor and changing it a bit | 17:00 |
| kolp | Wouldn't that just be dbus-monitor > /var/log/dbuslog? | 17:00 |
| jonwil | yeah something like that in the background | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems libconnui_cell.so only imports the time dbus calls just because the are part of net_interface.xml | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: exactly | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though |gzip >dbuslog.gz | 17:01 |
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| jonwil | nope, libconnui_cell actually hooks up to (and monitors) the network_time_info_change signal | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus is rather chatty | 17:02 |
| jonwil | not sure what it does with it | 17:02 |
| jonwil | the signal that is | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it offers a lib function to get network time | 17:03 |
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| jonwil | nope, it doesn't | 17:07 |
| jonwil | not sure what it does with the signal | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously nothing then | 17:07 |
| jonwil | it wires it up with a call to dbus_g_proxy_add_signal | 17:07 |
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| jonwil | its possible the results it gets from the signal are sent to a registered callback | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then it kinda _does_ provide a function to query network time status/value | 17:08 |
| jonwil | I cant follow the ARM code to know for sure whats going on | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet at least | 17:09 |
| jonwil | so it might be doing nothing or it might be passing it to a callback or it might be doing something else | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart nokia for csd stack being closed | 17:10 |
| * infobot gives nokia an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending nokia to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple for csd stack being closed | 17:10 | |
| jonwil | Whats needed is not the code for CSD but the documentation for the dbus calls it makes | 17:12 |
| jonwil | and exposes and stuff | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas that's also closed resp nonexistent, and THAT is really BAD | 17:12 |
| jonwil | yeah I bet even libscnet-dev wasn't supposed to be released | 17:13 |
| jonwil | but it was and I am for sure going to use the info it contains :) | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing | 17:14 |
| jonwil | heck, I am highly surprised Nokia committed to publish info in ofono for MeeGo rather than simply keeping it secret and releasing a blob for that bit along the lines of what they did with BME and GPS and stuff | 17:15 |
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| jonwil | I bet Intel had something to do with that though | 17:16 |
| Apic | http://narf-archive.com/pix/f3366f6478d922273f64db94543488bd659802b4.jpeg | 17:18 |
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| jonwil | its clear that nokia wanted to release as little info as possible when doing ofono stuff | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they don't feel confident in security and stability of their BB5 ISI interface | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the more low level the interface, the harder the security audit | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now figure what's going on with that insane shared-RAM stuff | 17:24 |
| jonwil | I have noticed that basically all mobile devices (even those who are notionally "open" like Google Nexus devices) have closed blobs to talk to the cellular radio | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly for that reason | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | security by obscurity | 17:26 |
| Apic | Yah | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the modem OS usually has very low inherent security - there's no memory protection, no users not to think of permissions, no proper preemptive multitasking, zilch | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so every little exploit in a e.g. uart driver or HSI driver instantly compromises the complete modem system | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | think of a modem OS as kernel-only, with all the processes implemented as kernel modules | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | real fun when *something* corrupts your process' local variables memory area | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't even say which of the 190 processes running on the modem been the culprit | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda like windows2 | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, maybe windows3.1 | 17:33 |
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| jonwil | you dont want to know about some of the stuff that I saw when I worked for Motorola on a 6 moth student internship (back when the RAZR V3 flip phone was the best thing since sliced bread) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I worked on ST-E NovaThor modem until a year ago | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can only concur | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though one thing I actually would like to share, alas I mustn't diclose the original internal memos: verification and certification of a radio stack is a process that nobody who hasn't seen it can figure how much work it involves | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | messages like "meanwhile the UMTS validation reached 30min uninterrupted calls even with cell handover in same band" are quite usual | 17:41 |
| jonwil | Its not just about the phone, its about all the 100s of different devices the phone could talk to over Bluetooth or WiFi or cellular or whatever | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that too | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but not when you're just working on the modem | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this been a different department in ST-E, sitting in a different location several 1000km away, and probably also several 100 people | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely developing the modem software alone is a way huger project than e.g. developing a system like maemo | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the bb5 cmt-firmware is not as large (in MB) like the rootfs image, but that doesn't mean it's less complex | 17:49 |
| jonwil | if only the cellular standards bodies could make their damn standards less complex (look at WiFi or even WiMax compared to UMTS/LTE) | 17:58 |
| jonwil | I suspect the #1 reason they are so complex has to do with patents | 17:58 |
| jonwil | and every one wanting to throw in their latest patent into the ring | 17:58 |
| jonwil | to make more money from every phone sold | 17:59 |
| kerio | eeh | 17:59 |
| kerio | sure, a big-ish part may be that | 17:59 |
| kerio | but it's still really complex stuff | 17:59 |
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| kerio | anyway, i need a better home router | 18:01 |
| kerio | what should i buy? | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? got a D-Link? ;-P | 18:01 |
| kerio | linksys wrt610n | 18:01 |
| kerio | dd-wrt crashes like a mofo | 18:01 |
| kerio | openwrt doesn't support it | 18:01 |
| mashina | i have to use my isps | 18:02 |
| kerio | mashina: hah | 18:02 |
| jonwil | what ISP is that? | 18:02 |
| mashina | it isnt bad but the webui only works in ie and webkit | 18:02 |
| jonwil | probably some crappy ISP | 18:02 |
| kerio | i have a dsl modem of my own | 18:02 |
| kerio | it uses pppoe :3 | 18:02 |
| mashina | ftth actually | 18:02 |
| jonwil | oh ok, thats great :) | 18:02 |
| mashina | i can see the ONT in the basement | 18:02 |
| kerio | doesn't ftth usually give you an ethernet cable with dhcp? | 18:02 |
| mashina | yeah but they do some magic for iptv | 18:03 |
| mashina | vlan and dhco abuse | 18:03 |
| kerio | disregard their reality and make up your own | 18:03 |
| mashina | it needs to be replicated either manually or with customized firmware | 18:03 |
| kerio | aka put a router behind their router | 18:03 |
| kerio | and dmz your router | 18:03 |
| jonwil | I have a combined DSL modem/router | 18:03 |
| kerio | anyway, if only i could diagnose the dd-wrt crashing issues, i could go back to that | 18:04 |
| mashina | and it's a functional router - the recommended replacement is an asus rt-n56u that costs 100$ | 18:04 |
| kerio | right now, i put the original firmware back on | 18:04 |
| jonwil | it does ADSL2+, 4 LAN ports and WiFi | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: vulnerability? | 18:04 |
| mashina | embedded security is a joke | 18:04 |
| kerio | eh, i tried openwrt | 18:04 |
| kerio | and i barely got the original firmware back | 18:04 |
| kerio | dd-wrt crashes really frequently | 18:04 |
| mashina | i ran my old wrt54g as a wifi adapter | 18:04 |
| Apic | http://bash.org/?4281 | 18:05 |
| mashina | ddwrt was stable but it was shit at recieving wifi | 18:05 |
| mashina | i got a new adapter, much more stable signal | 18:05 |
| kerio | i guess i could reinstall ddwrt | 18:05 |
| Apic | ww | 18:05 |
| kerio | maybe a more recent build | 18:05 |
| kerio | not sure why, but it's the only alternative firmware that properly supports the dual radios | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: (wrt54g AP) same here | 18:05 |
| mashina | mine is in client bridge instead of ap | 18:06 |
| mashina | its a bitch to get client bridge working | 18:06 |
| mashina | and i have a vxworks model | 18:06 |
| mashina | so i needed to use a lite build | 18:06 |
| jonwil | I may be able to get FTTH in my area soon depending on what happens (or if I am unlucky the government will decide my area only gets FTTN not FTTH) | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had a D-Link 615 which I luckily retired now | 18:08 |
| kerio | i really, really, REALLY want to use a non-stock firmware though | 18:08 |
| kerio | this one has wps | 18:08 |
| kerio | and it can't be disabled | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 18:08 |
| mashina | kerio: do you live near others? | 18:08 |
| mashina | it matters less if your neighbours are are all old or so poor they cant afford computers | 18:09 |
| kerio | mashina: i live in a city | 18:09 |
| kerio | and it's a matter of principle | 18:09 |
| mashina | wps never works for me anyways | 18:09 |
| mashina | even when i did try it | 18:09 |
| kerio | dd-wrt is just shit, though | 18:12 |
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| kerio | "build 14929 is recommended" | 18:20 |
| kerio | 12/08/2010 | 18:20 |
| kerio | are you fucking kidding me | 18:20 |
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| kerio | fuck it, i'm installing the latest build | 18:24 |
| wmarone__ | heh, dd-wrt is crap | 18:25 |
| wmarone__ | if it's supported, you might try OpenWRT | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (07/22/09) mini | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: ping | 18:38 |
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| kerio | ok, i'm on Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (07/24/13) mega | 18:49 |
| kerio | hakuna matata | 18:49 |
| kerio | it's not really yolo | 18:49 |
| kerio | because it's not something stupid | 18:49 |
| kerio | or, well | 18:49 |
| kerio | something stupid you can't recover from | 18:49 |
| merlin1991 | gotta love hakuna matata | 18:51 |
| kerio | goddammit why do i have to specify three dns servers to ignore my ISPs | 18:52 |
| kerio | ISP's | 18:52 |
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| kerum | hello | 18:59 |
| kerum | i have some trouble flashing my N900 | 18:59 |
| kerum | i've been following this guide: http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/02/05/how-to-hard-reset-the-n900-to-the-factory-state/ | 18:59 |
| kerum | when I do "flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51.bin -f -R" | 19:00 |
| kerum | I get: flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) | 19:00 |
| kerum | SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 | 19:00 |
| kerum | Image 'kernel', size 1705 kB | 19:00 |
| kerum | Version 2.6.28-20103103+0m5 | 19:00 |
| kerum | Image 'rootfs', size 185728 kB | 19:00 |
| kerum | Version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 | 19:00 |
| kerum | FIASCO subimage data length mismatch | 19:00 |
| kerum | --- | 19:00 |
| kerum | can you help me? | 19:00 |
| merlin1991 | redl the image, it seems to be broken | 19:01 |
| kerum | thought of that, wanted to make sure | 19:01 |
| kerio | yeah | 19:01 |
| kerio | ~pr131 | 19:01 |
| infobot | i guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 19:01 |
| kerum | should i get that one? | 19:01 |
| kerio | yeah | 19:02 |
| kerio | maybe flash vanilla too | 19:02 |
| kerum | i got the vanilla .bin downloaded too | 19:02 |
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| rd1381 | can somebody help me with network speed in n900? | 19:04 |
| kerum | does the vanilla have to be the same date as that? | 19:04 |
| kerum | i downloaded this one: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 19:06 |
| rd1381 | i cant get anything with apt-get larger than 10kb | 19:06 |
| rd1381 | it gets stuck | 19:06 |
| mashina | make sure you have a good signal and you can use the web fine | 19:08 |
| kerio | kerum: i think that the vanilla is still that one | 19:08 |
| kerio | hell, it hardly changed between versions anywayt | 19:08 |
| kerio | *anyway | 19:08 |
| kerum | k, ty | 19:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mmh, it's still kernel 2.4.37 | 19:12 |
| kerio | do i want to risk even more? | 19:12 |
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| rd1381 | mashina: i dont think the web open fines or not cause i didnt download a big file from it just from apt-get | 19:18 |
| rd1381 | the signal is good for my ipad and laptop | 19:18 |
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| kerum | when running flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51.bin -f -R | 19:54 |
| kerum | i get some output and Suitable USB device not found, waiting. at the end | 19:55 |
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| kerum | i connected my N900 with usb while holding u | 19:55 |
| kerum | the screen turned on and the usb icon is in the corner (no backlight though) | 19:55 |
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| kerum | anyone care to help me? | 19:56 |
| kolp | Any output from flasher-3.5? | 19:59 |
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| kerum_ | sorry, dc | 20:01 |
| kerum_ | here's the entire output | 20:01 |
| kerum_ | http://pastebin.com/tckFqUr8 | 20:01 |
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| kerum_ | do you know what's the issue? | 20:03 |
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| kerum | kolp: still here? | 20:15 |
| kerum | there was some "failed to install driver" message in windows | 20:15 |
| kerum | the tooltip balloon, but i lost it | 20:15 |
| kolp | kerum: have you seen this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Issues_with_64-bit_Windows_and_Workarounds | 20:16 |
| kerum | checking it out now | 20:18 |
| kerum | omfg, works! | 20:21 |
| kerum | ty a bunch! | 20:21 |
| kolp | yw | 20:23 |
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| RST38h | The meat used in the food is from an unknown source, and tends to be a bit tough and gamey. Simple testing has proven that it is not from typical beef or chicken stock, and personnel D-1282 (convicted on multiple counts of cannibalism) verifies that the meat is not human. | 21:06 |
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| kerio | scp? | 21:18 |
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| _d0t | hello gentlemen. What driver should I specify in xorg.conf to start X on n900? | 21:47 |
| _d0t | tried omapfb, but get this No screens found error | 21:48 |
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| kerio | HAH | 21:51 |
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| freemangordon | _d0t: what distro? | 22:49 |
| _d0t | freemangordon: gentoo. Never mind, fixed that already. Now X just segfaults | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | also, which kernal? | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | *kernel | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | omapfb should work | 22:50 |
| _d0t | it doesnt | 22:51 |
| _d0t | kernel 3.10 | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | try newer kernel, there were some changes patches in omapfb | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | _d0t: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/10/252 | 22:52 |
| _d0t | 3.12 doesnt boot at all. I just get a black screen. | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | _d0t: that https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/freemangordons-linux-n900/source/777f4ace4c58799575391833db48050ceefe6fd6: one boots for sure | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | though I tested it only with maemo5 | 22:54 |
| _d0t | will try, thanks | 22:54 |
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| _d0t | btw, another question - how do I calibrate the battery? | 23:23 |
| _d0t | bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values | 23:24 |
| _d0t | i keep getting those in dmesg | 23:24 |
| kolp | _d0t: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 | 23:27 |
| _d0t | kolp: thanks | 23:28 |
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| _d0t | freemangordon: nope, still black screen instead of the console | 23:46 |
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